Terry Adams

He hopes the ring can be given to some institution where it would be exhibited in a respectful, historical setting.

"I'd hate to see it on eBay," he said.

I don't agree with Mr. Ellis, I do think that the ring should end up on Ebay ( that is, If Marina Oswald chooses to sell it there). This lady, and her children have suffered and their future generations will continue to suffer over a horrible National tragedy that they had nothing to do with. If they can benefit from this ring, I think that they should.

Terry

Friends,

On another thread, Ashton Gray has offered the following:

"I've said it before and I'll say it again in yet other terms: It seems highly unlikely to me (not to say bunghole-plug dumb) that sophisticated, highly-trained intelligence agents would plot for months, if not years, to set up an assassination of the President of the United States, to set up a Communist patsy to take the fall for it, to set up the location for the patsy behind and above the target at the time of the shooting—and then have the real sniper(s) shoot from in front of the target."

Unless ...

If the selfsame "sophisticated, highly-trained intelligence agents" were assigned to design an assassination that would simultaneously A maximize chances for a kill, B convince honest investigators, via the development and planting in advance of wholly contrived "evidence," that the multi-shooter attack so obvious that day to even untrained civilian observers was pulled off by the Commies, and C provide a defensible public LN fallback position so as to protect the real conspirators from exposure by cutting off in-depth investigation before it could get started, then shots from the front do indeed make sense.

The plotters' argument: Of course there were multiple shooters, Mr. Chief Justice. The ambush was designed and executed by Commies. Although if we say so, the public demands WWIII. But don't worry. We can bury everything but Oswald, convince the public that he acted alone, and what we do to even the score later on, in private, will never see the light of day.

The KEY to this multi-phase conspiracy would be evidence of multiple-shooters.

But couldn't they be restricted to rearward firing positions?

Not if the chances for a kill were to be maximized. And as Ashton and I agree, a Parkland coup de grace was mandated for precisely that reason.

The rust on Occam's razor thickens.

Or does it?

Charles

Generally I agree with Ashton Gray's views on these matters, and he has a point here, but I believe what happened is best stated by (the inimitable) Vincent Salandria to Gaeton Fonzi (The Last Investigation p.29)

"Don't you think that the men who killed Kennedy had the means to do it in the most sophisticated and subtle way? They choose not to. Instead they picked the shooting gallery that was Dealy Plaza and did it in the most barbarous and openly arrogant manner. The cover story was transparent and designed not to hold, to fall apart at the slightest scrutiney The forces that killed Kennedy wanted the message clear: ' We are in control and no one-not the President, not Congress, nor any elected official-no one can do anything about it' ".

These words were spoken at the beginning of HSCA. They ring as true today as they did then. And lest we forget our history: Bobby, (killed by CIA); HSCA "Killed" by CIA- Operation Mockingbird. Attorney Richard Sprague and Attorney Robert Tanenbaum were serious about a HOMICIDE investigation. But we all know what happened. Once Blakey took over the fix was in. What has changed since?

Dawn

Not much [read all but zero], from the official side, sadly...most sadly. On our side, we are a lot wiser and more confident of what we long suspected. We have new supporting facts and

documents, some new witness testimony and statements. Etc. The official side is not just afraid of being embarassed or proven wrong - or even complicit...they will fight with everything they have [and that is a lot!], as they know....as we should too...that the truth of the events of Dallas and all that went before and after, that inteconnect and intersect would [and should!] bring down the entire house of cards...boom....end of America, as presently constructed. I for one, will not mourn its passing should that great day arrive, for what will rise from the ashes of that Pheonix can only be better by far, more democratic by light-years, an end to rule by the Oligarchs and Corporations, a nation of peace and justice, and not the current War monger monster, a nation that takes care of its own poor and in need and not socialism for the rich and preditory/competitive capitatalism for everyone else. I'm not holding my breath, but I, like MLK, [who the bastards killed as well]

have a dream........

I think the crossfire was built-in. Yes, the wanted to set it up to look like shots from one long nut in the back...but they really didn't care if that came off or not!.....they wanted it to be a public execution and keep other presidents and people in power in line [none of whom were fooled for a second, as to the same could happen to them...it was also a message to the American drones that they were not in control - it was no longer a representational democracy, nor a real democracy at all....it was run by a powerful few and a mountain of denial and figleafs would be applied so no one had to 'freak'.....just get lost in the bread and circus of American life....and look where we are in that now! I don't even think the shots fired, nor their caliber and angle are so important, though of interest and add new levels of evidence. Look at what happened, who lost, who benefited, who covered-up, who lost their lives for knowing or seeing too much, what followed that never could have if the conspirators had been exposed and brought to justice...but how could they within our system...as they control the [in]justice system. As to a bullet or other missile to the neck, its academic. I personally believe it was a small frontal wound...but who cares...his head was so shot up with multiple bullets, one at least exploding type, they had to reconstruct it and hide the brain [what little remained]. We were had. JFK was had. RFK was had. We were overthrown....and it was done with a big finger in our face in public. They could have killed him in his sleep or at home or the White House any day they wanted. They chose a public exectution and one that, yes, had some transparent elements and others that were deeply hidden. Both were altered by new lies after the fact. False and controlled 'investigations' assured no real mis-steps, nor secrets much revealed. They don't care a few of us know...as long as most are silent, don't demand a revolution, only evince confusion and depression.....even better fo the kinds of things that came after...all the way through 9/11 and the genocidal and imperialistic war in Iraq and soon to be in Iran.....

`Go ahead and print it,' Dulles said. `Nobody will read it anyway.'

In "RH" VB, in making a point not necessary to elaborate upon here, states that most assassination "buffs" do not believe that Jack Ruby was part of the original conspiracy, but instead believe that he was only called in after it became necessary to kill LHO. He does not state HOW he reached that conclusion.

That's not what I believe. How about you?

Tim,

I am certain that Ruby would have been on "standby" in the event that he was needed. Some have said that he was part of bringing guns into Dallas to be used in the assassination. He supposedly was seen at Parkland by a reporter immediately after the president was brought there. There are photos of him at the DPD the day (or night) before he actually did the shooting. I do not believe that he was just a good citizen, as he said who in his heart, could not allow Jackie to have to endure a trial. He was part of the conspiracy.

I was watching C-Span today and wanted to share what occurred with the members and visitors of the the forum. I saw an elderly man ask Senator and presidential candidate Senator John Edwards about the assassination of JFK. He told Senator Edwards that he had written to him without a response, and that he had information with him about CIA involvement. He called what he was holding in his arms, "The Zipper Files'. Senator Edwards asked him for the paperwork and his name and promised to get back to him. I'm not familiar with the "Zipper Files", and made an unsuccessful search for them on the forum before I posted. I have been waiting for someone to ask a candidate what if anything they would do about a new investigation into the JFK assassination. I'm not sure if Senator Edwards just sidestepped the issue, or he did not want to publicly express his views or intentions concerning the issue. We all remember what happened to RFK after answering in the affirmative that he would look into the assassination if elected.

Terry

Well of course it would.

Presumably ballistics tests linked CE399 to the M-C, however. Do you recall when that test was completed?

Note that the DPD did not conduct a test to determine if the M-C had been fired on Nov 22, 1963.

Tim

I don't know very much about rifles and tests to determine if they were fired.

However, in a discussion with Gary Mack via e-mail about a year ago, Gary

stated there is no test available to determine if a rifle was fired recently,

to his knowledge.

Bill C

You know, I would bet that the DPD and the Sheriff's dept. had plenty of rabbit hunters on the force. I don't know about any scientific test to determine if a gun has been fired or not, but if one sniffs the end of the barrel, he will know immediately if the gun has been shot recently. I remember when I hunted here in the hills of Kentucky as a young man that after I shot at game (whether I hit it or not) I could smell that the gun had been fired. Also, I remember later in the evening, as I was preparing to clean my gun, 2-3 hours (or more), that I could still detect the smell of gunpowder in the barrel.

Terry

Updated: Gerald Ford's Role in the JFK Assassination Cover-Up by Don Fulsom (11/11/06; updated 3/12/07).In the 1990s, the Assassination Records Review Board released a strong clue that more than three shots were fired at President Kennedy.

The cover of an empty FBI evidence envelope – dated Dec. 2nd 1963 – noted that it had once held a 7.65 mm rifle shell that was found in Dealey Plaza after the shooting. The discovery of a fourth bullet shell, therefore, supports the acoustical evidence cited by the House committee, as well as all of the eyewitness reports of a shot from the grassy knoll.

I read this article today and thought that others may want to do so also, and discuss this finding.

Terry

The article is at: www.crimemagazine.com

Given young Mr. Harper's discovery, in DP on the day after the assassination, of the JFK skull fragment named after him can we agree that the Dallas Police Department's search of the area of Dealey Plaza left something to be desired? DP of course was essentially a crime scene.

Tim,

I find it appalling that a citizen could walk onto the site and pick up a piece of skull. The Dallas Police should have covered the area with a fine toothed comb. After all, this was the president of the United States, for God's sake. I can't imagine why they didn't just bring a street cleaner out and spray the area down. It wasn't as if something important happened here, right?

Terry

First: excuse my english. I am a german talking european.

I wanna say something about the JFK murder shown in europes mainstream media.

In the european mainstream media dominates the same confusion as in the US.

Last week there was a documentary on the german main news TV channel called -ntv-. It was a "Oswalddid it alone" documentary. CIA granny Priscilla Johnson was talking...the highlight was the appearance of Oswalds older half- brother Robert who furnished a masterpiece of the discretitation of a brother. He said more then one time: his brother did it allone,because, because, because...it was disgusting...

Only three or four days later there was a documentary on the german private TV channel -RTL-. This was a documentary with the clear claim: Dallas was a conspiracy. Fetzer and Doug Horn were talking. But only in short cuts, to short to convince anybody who know nothing about this case...

For a youngster in europe interested in this case it is pure poison when he try to get his Information via TV.

This state of confusion, I believe, you can find around the world.

It is a LN- CTer status quo asserted by guys like McAdams, Posner, Bugliosi, the private TV channel Home box office, which gonna make a big TV series out of this worthless doorstopper "Reclaiming History" and the powers behind it.

Intelligent "LN guys" ( Bugl.McAdams)know that they are talking xxxx- therefore: could it be, that they do it in the name of national security?

Like Oswalds brother Robert, like Priscilla Johnson etc. etc. ... ?

It seems so.

My first post in that forum...uff...thank you.

Don't worry about your English. His brother was also an intelligence agent!Oswald was FBI, CIA and likely also ONI, but was NOT the assassin....not even close. The truth is 'out' in this Forum and in many good books. TV is usually controlled by the corporations who want everyone to be calm, relax, buy, and die naive.......welcome to reality where none of tha

'merde' is true.

Peter,

I have not read anything about Robert Oswald, other than what he had to say about his half brother. The first time that I saw a picture of him was at LHO's burial. I was amazed at how much they resembled each other. Could he have been one of the doubles? Was his whereabouts during the months before and also the day of the assassination looked into by the police, FBI, etc.?

It is certainly likely there was a shot from the reat as well. Many believe the last shots (third and fourth) were almost simultaneous.

Burkley was quoted as saying that had the WC questioned him he would have suggested the brain, which was then in his possession, be sectioned so there could be a conclusive answer whether JFK was hit by a bullet from the front. It is just amazing he was not called by either investigative agency. There are indications it was he who was "controlling" the autopsy.

Tim,

Wasn't it Kellerman who called the shots " A flurry"?

I'm a pacifist at heart.

But my father volunteered for WWII and I would have as well (I certainly hope).

My father also volunteered for WW2. He was right to do so, but the same could not be said for every war since.

John,

My father volunteered for WW2 as well. He was highly decorated for gunshot wounds as well as heroism (three purple hearts, a bronze and silver star). I was on a college deferment when Nixon created the lottery. I was in the first drawing. When I came in from the local Community College the day of the drawing, my father had my number (279) written down. He said, " Son, you don't have to go, they are only taking up to Number 125." And, without taking a breath, he also said " Although I do not agree with this war, if your birth date was pulled you would have gone." This was the American patriot that was my father. He died as a direct result of that war at the age of fifty-one. It is my opinion that he was exposed to chemical warfare used by our own military.

Terry

I have been re-reading the various eyewitness accounts of Lee Bowers and Ed Hoffman to see if their stories might agree. It seems to me that Ed Hoffman sees two men , one in a dark suit and tie and hat, along with a man dressed as a railroad worker. Bowers may be seeing the same thing if you take his account of seeing two men "in line with the overpass" account. Have the two men with E Hudson ever been interviewed, identified or deposed? If not , perhaps there purpose was to act as perimeter guards for the knoll team(s). In addition, if the tramps are who it seems, Hunt, Sturgis and Frency, perhaps they too were keeping out people for the rear of the parking lot plus hiding the weapon brought to them by Railroad Worker.

Who did authorize that train to leave. Has the engineer ever been named and questioned. And how would anyone but CIA have the radio frquency to move that train-drill out of the yard.

If anyone has some answers. please let me know.

Steve

Several years ago, during Bush 41's presidency, I was coming from Florida on I-26W near Columbia, South Carolina, when I realized that no traffic was coming south. The next thing I saw was two men with what appeared to be automatic rifles standing on either side of an overpass. As I continued North, each overpass had these armed men. This was for a minimum of 4 miles, and at least 8 armed men. When I got to the exit for Columbia, I saw a motorcade coming onto the Southbound lane of I-26. I immediately saw the presidential flag on one of the limos. I was able to recognize The president and Mrs. Bush. I am mentioning this because of the protection in place even on an interstate. There is no way on earth that a train should have been able to move so closely to where President Kennedy was passing, not to mention the windows open in tall buildings(discussed many times before).

Terry

"We'll take on the oil crowd, and the utilities and all the fat cats.

"We'll run 'em out of Austin, and we'll keep (them) running across the Red River all the way to Kansas."

How does this fit in with his friendship with Murchison and other oilmen that have so long been looked at as his close allies, as well as wanting him in the presidency. These very people have been looked at at LBJ's co-conspirators, HAVEN'T THEY?

Terry

Hi Terry,

Indeed, that is an article that I wrote about a decade ago that is still posted on the internet. But it is now obsolete and there are a number of inaccuracies, the least of which is the contact numbers that I ask you to delete. Although I did live there for over thirty years, I no longer live at that address, and the phone number and email address are also no longer correct.

We have made many great research strides since then, and now have a better make on Dr./Col. Jose Rivera, and what he was up to.

Rather than that article, I refer anyone interested to the Education Forum profiles of Adele Edisen and Dr. Rivera that are more up to date.

Hopefully, if we get the Congressional Oversight hearings in the fall, Adele will be a witness, along with Doug Horne, who requested and receieved Colonel Rivera's half-baked military file.

As I mentioned in another thread, regarding Harold Weisberg's Oswald In New Orleans documents, posted by Rex Bradford at MFF documents, there are few JFK assassination records that deal with Special Agent In Charge of the New Orleans Secret Service office - John W. Rice.

I believe he is still alive and any information that anyone can obtain on him would be greatly apprecaited.

The Warren Commission didn't bother interviewing him, and Vince Palmara has nothing on him.

But if one of the researchers on this forum could locate him it would be a feather in their cap.

Bill Kelly

Could someone post the url's for the newer info....searching on this Forum is a great frustration.

I'd read this long ago and just re-read it and find it even more significant than I did the last time. Lee, you never knew what hit 'ya......they even knew your phone number and address before you did! John Le Carre can't hold a candle to the real story of Dallas.....good work Bill.

Peter,

Here's a few links from right here on this forum.

The most anyone can do at this point is to help locate John W. Rice, former Special Agent In Charge of the New Orleans Secret Service office 1963-64.

And once again I ask Terry or an administrator to please remove my old contact addresses and numbers, as I wouldn't want any innocent people to be intruded upon by the Dealey Plaza Cleanup Crew.

I will furnish them or anyone with my current address and contacts if interested.

BK

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKedisen.htm

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKrivera.htm

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...amp;#entry43867

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...amp;#entry43918

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...hl=Adele+Edisen

"And once again I ask Terry or an administrator to please remove my old contact addresses and numbers, as I wouldn't want any innocent people to be intruded upon by the Dealey Plaza Cleanup Crew."

Bill,

I am so sorry. I tried to e-mail John but was unable to get past the error problems. I too hope that he or one of the other administrators will remove your old contact information. I should not have posted an address, but I simply copied everything on the page.

Again I sincerely apologize,

Terry

I found this to be some very interesting information. I do believe the author is our very own Bill Kelly. You may find the arictle at: www.namebase.org/edisen.html

Terry

Please look at the new topic "Addendum to Oswald Witness"

Terry

Here is the article .

by William E. Kelly, Jr.

The literature of the JFK assassination is littered with interesting lines of inquiry, but few are as detailed as the circumstances presented by Adele Edisen, who first made her story public in the assassination research journal The Third Decade, published by New York State University Professor Jerry Rose. The article, titled "From April to November and Back Again," was written by Edisen. To protect her identity, it was published under the byline of K.S. Turner in the November, 1991 edition (Vol.8, No.1) of the bi-monthly journal, now called The Fourth Decade.

Edisen claimed that in April of 1963 she met a person who apparently had foreknowledge of the assassination of President Kennedy, Dr. Jose Rivera. He gave her a phone number through which she contacted and talked with Lee Harvey Oswald in New Orleans in May, 1963. She called the Secret Service to warn them of the assassination and was interviewed by the Secret Service and FBI after the assassination.

There are, however, few official documented reports on the matter, although some are forthcoming in response to the JFK Assassination Records Review Act. But Adele Edisen's story can be independently confirmed in many respects without official documentation, and subsequent inquiries by Dick Russell, Larry Haapanen, John Gooch and myself have confirmed much of what she has to say. At this point, the lack of documentation seems to make what she has to say even more significant. It is a story that provides numerous leads that should be pursued.

Edisen's article in The Third Decade describes how she came to meet Dr. Jose Rivera at a medical conference in Atlantic City, New Jersey in April, 1963. She and Rivera were both medical professionals. Edisen was in her third year of a Tulane University School of Medicine post-doctoral fellowship in conjunction with the National Institute of Health's Institute of Neurological Diseases and Blindness. She had previously worked on the faculty of Rockefeller University, the University of Texas at San Antonio, and St. Mary's Dominican College and Delgado Community College in New Orleans. When she met him Dr. Rivera was manning a booth at the Atlantic City medical convention.

Upon learning that Edisen was with Tulane University in New Orleans, Rivera said he had been on the faculty of the biochemistry department at Loyola University, which is also in New Orleans, and that he was then living in Washington D.C. At the time of their meeting Edisen described Rivera as "approximately 45 or 50 years of age, about 5 feet, 3 or 4 inches in height, and obese. His hair was dark brown, almost black, with some grey; he was balding at the forehead and crown. His eyes were brown, and he wore corrective glasses with very thick lenses which greatly magnified the size of his eyes. His complexion was quite dark. He spoke English with a distinct Hispanic accent."

The Atlantic City Convention Authority records reflect that the National Institute of Health (NIH) sponsored a "High Blood Pressure Symposium" at the Atlantic City Convention Hall in April, 1963. Edisen testified before the Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB) in Dallas, Texas on November 18, 1994 that the meetings in Atlantic City were organized by the Federation of American Societies of Experimental Biology, an umbrella group of six major biological societies, including the American Physiological Society, for which Edisen gave a report on her research.

The strictly professional conversation between Edisen and Rivera became friendly, or as Edisen explained it, "I befriended him or he befriended me." The NIH was their first common tie, with their mutual professional acquaintances in New Orleans providing additional associations. "It turned out he had taught at Loyola University in New Orleans, and we knew some people in common who were, for example, Dr. Fred Brazda who was chairman of biochemistry at LSU Medical School, and a few other people."

"I was planning to go to Bethesda in Washington and visit with colleagues and friends at the NIH and also see the NIH," Edisen later testified, "and so he had, in the course of our conversations and so on, invited me to his home to have dinner with him and his wife and daughter, and also to help me obtain hotel or motel space for my visit in Bethesda after these meetings, and to give me a sight-seeing tour, and so on."

Edisen arrived in Washington D.C. on Monday, April 22, 1963. As Rivera had requested, she telephoned him at his office, and his secretary arranged for her accommodations at a Bethesda, Maryland motel. Rivera picked Edisen up in his car and explained that his wife, who was a nurse, had been called into duty at a hospital. So the two of them had dinner at a Washington restaurant, Blackie's House of Beef. It was while standing in line waiting to be seated, Edisen recalled, when Dr. Rivera "began to talk of his travels in conjunction with his work. He spoke of Dallas, Texas."

Edisen quoted Rivera as saying, "When you go to Dallas, you should go to the Carousel Club because it's a very nice nightclub." Edisen made a mental note of a merry-go-round, while Rivera asked her if she knew Lee Harvey Oswald. He told her that Oswald had lived in the Soviet Union, was married to a Russian, had a child, and they were planning on moving to New Orleans, where Edisen was then living. She distinctly made a mental impression of the name, "I vaguely wondered if he was related to a boy I had gone to high school with, whose name was Fred Oswald." Rivera encouraged Edisen to meet the Oswalds, saying that "you should get to know them." She assumed that Oswald was a fellow medical research scientist.

Edisen and Rivera then made plans to meet the next night, when she would get a sight-seeing tour and could have dinner with Rivera at his home with his wife and daughter. After spending the day with friends, Edisen was picked up by Rivera at her motel, where "a tall, sharp-faced man hailed Rivera, addressing him as 'Colonel.' They spoke for quite a long while about their times together at an Army base. His friend spoke of his current work in the army on telemetry and some work with cameras and telephoto lenses."

Rivera later told Edisen that, "We're photographing demonstrators with telephoto cameras from rooftops. We'll identify individual demonstrators and put their names in computer files. We've started this on the West Coast." Edisen wondered how that could be related to his work as a science administrator at NINDB until Rivera told her of his "other office, on the hill," and ties with "Foggy Bottom," which Edisen thought to be a residential section of the city.

According to Edisen: "After a lengthy drive to view the cherry trees, the National Library of Congress, Walter Reed Army Institute and Hospital, the Capitol Building, Georgetown and other sites, we started to approach the White House." While they passed the White House a number of times, the first time they went by Rivera asked Edisen, "I wonder what Jackie will do when her husband dies?" After a pause and Edisen's incredulous, "What?", Rivera said, "Oh, oh, I meant the baby. She might lose the baby." Edisen didn't know Jackie was pregnant.

That was "the first inkling I had that Rivera might be implying something sinister concerning President Kennedy." Then, "every time we toured around the White House he asked me if I saw Caroline on her pony Macaroni, and all kinds of crazy nonsense, and I was beginning to think I was with an absolute madman.... Rivera's part of the conversation at times was difficult to follow, but many of his statements, such as the reference to 'Jackie,' seemed deliberately placed. When he spoke of President Kennedy, Rivera was extremely critical of Kennedy's position on civil rights. Rivera made many disparaging remarks about black people and the civil rights movement."

Rivera also mentioned the NIH, Edisen remembers. "Several times during the course of this evening and the previous one, Rivera referred to the NIH being called 'The Reservation' because there were so many 'chiefs' and no 'Indians.' I wondered why he had to repeat this so many times." Edisen, as a professional research scientist, suspected Rivera was using hypnotic suggestion techniques on her, and possibly even drugs. "He spoke of hypnosis. He had knowledge of hypnotic techniques and of the uses of LSD, a psychomimetic and hypnogogic drug which increases susceptibility to suggestions without causing amnesia."

Since his wife, again, was called in to work at the hospital, Rivera and Edisen had dinner at the Twin Bridges at the Marriott Motor Hotel across the Potomac River. While the dinner was relatively uneventful, Rivera did ask Edisen some strange questions, like if she knew a lawyer named John Abt.

"After we finished eating, he asked me to do a favor for him when I arrived home," recalls Edisen. Rivera wanted Edisen to contact Winston DeMonsabert, a Loyola faculty member who was leaving New Orleans. Edisen wrote a note to herself: "Winston DeMonsabert call Dr. Rivera when leaving N.O." Then Rivera said to also call Lee Harvey Oswald at 899-4244. "Write down this name: Lee Harvey Oswald. Tell him to kill the chief." Rivera then contradicted himself, saying, "No, no, don't write that down. You will remember it when you get to New Orleans. We're just playing a little joke on him."

Edisen said that she still assumed "the joke" would be on Oswald, whom she thought was a scientist and friend of Rivera's. She thought "the chief" was a reference to Elizabeth Hartman, "the chief" of the grants and awards section of the NIH, whom Rivera had earlier joked about as being like the chief of a reservation "with too many chiefs and not enough Indians."

Edisen remembers Rivera then being "agitated and excited. He began talking strangely about 'it' happening" and drew a diagram on a napkin, almost incoherent and very agitated. "It will be on the fifth floor, there'll be some men up there," he said. Edisen quoted Rivera as saying nonsensical things like, "Oswald was not what he seems. We're going to send him to the library to read about great assassinations in history. After it's over, he'll call Abt to defend him. After it happens, the President's best friend will commit suicide. He'll jump out of a window because of his grief.... It will happened after the Shriners' Circus comes to New Orleans. After it's over, the men will be out of the country. Remember, the first time it happens won't be real."

Edisen recalls, "He did not respond to any of my questions about what was to happen, and I became even more concerned and suspicious about his odd behavior and statements. As I entered his car, he asked me to destroy the note I had made and to forget what had just happened. It did not dawn on me that he could have been referring to an assassination of the President -- the Chief."

Rivera threatened Edisen about going to the FBI saying, "They'll want that note. Don't give it to them. I don't want to have to hurt you. We'll be watching you." Edisen said, "I became very frightened. I didn't understand what he was talking about, even though he had made references to the assassination of the President."

About a week after Adele Edisen returned home to New Orleans from Washington D.C. (around May 1-3, 1963), she called the 899-4244 number Rivera had given her for Lee Harvey Oswald, whom she believed was a research-scientist colleague of Dr. Rivera's, who had returned from Russia with a Russian wife and recently moved to New Orleans. A man who answered the phone said there was no one there by that name.

"A week later (approximately May 9-12, 1963) I dialed again, thinking I might have misdialed the first time," recalls Edisen. The same man answered, and seemed surprised when she asked for Oswald, as he said, "They've just arrived." Although Oswald wasn't there, Edisen spoke with his wife briefly, and although she spoke with a Slavic-Russian accent, Marina seemed to understand the conversation, didn't know Dr. Rivera, and said it was okay for Edisen to call back when her husband was there.

The third time she called, the phone was answered by the same man, whom Edisen believes was the landlord. Oswald came to the phone, but denied knowing Dr. Jose Rivera of Washington D.C. "That's strange, because he apparently knows you and your wife," Edisen told him. "I then asked Oswald for the location of the telephone, and he courteously gave me an address on Magazine Street, which I placed to be near the 5000 block.... I thanked him and apologized for bothering him. Still thinking that Oswald was a scientist, I wondered why a scientist would be living in a rather run-down part of the city. Needless to say, I did not deliver Rivera's message ('to kill the chief') to Oswald."

What is really strange is that Dr. (Col.) Jose Rivera, in Washington D.C., knew Oswald's New Orleans phone number on Tuesday, April 23, before Oswald himself knew where he was moving to in New Orleans. It was the following day, Wednesday, April 24, when Ruth Paine drove from Irving to the Oswald's Neeley Street apartment in Dallas to find the Oswalds all packed and ready to move to New Orleans. They had quite suddenly (Marina later said it was because of the Walker shooting incident) decided to move to New Orleans, where Oswald was born. They asked Ruth Paine for a ride to the bus station and she was startled by the sudden decision.

Ruth Paine discussed the matter with them in the car on the way to the bus station, and convinced them that because they didn't know where Oswald would work or where they would stay in New Orleans, Marina and their daughter should stay with her in Irving, Texas while Oswald went on alone to New Orleans to find a job and locate an apartment. Oswald arrived in New Orleans by bus and called his aunt Lillian Murret to announce that he had returned home, and to ask if he could stay with them at 757 French Street while he searched for employment. Mrs. Murret was surprised, but agreed to take Oswald on as a guest until he obtained a job and apartment.

After filing for unemployment compensation extensions for his work in Dallas at Jaggars-Chiles-Stoval (which required cross-state approvals), Oswald applied for work at a number of locations, including the William B. Reily coffee company at 640 Magazine Street, where he listed three references -- his uncle John Murret, Sgt. Robert Hidell and Lt. J. Evans, the last two of which the Warren Report claimed are "apparently fictitious names."

But they're not fictitious. Oswald did know a Hidell in the Marines, who was living in New Orleans at the time, and there was indeed a "J. Evans," because as the Report notes on the same page, "Also on May 9, Oswald obtained an apartment at 4905-07 Magazine Street with the help of Myrtle Evans, who had known him when he was a child." And Myrtle had a husband named Julian. When he was young, Oswald's mother had rented an apartment from Myrtle and Julian Evans. After the assassination Myrtle Evans characterized Oswald as a spoiled brat to the Warren Commission and Marina's biographer Priscilla Johnson McMillan. Myrtle also helped Oswald find the Magazine Street apartment in the same "coincidental" way that Ruth Paine found Oswald a job at the Texas School Book Depository.

Recreating Oswald's reintroduction into his old neighborhood, Priscilla Johnson McMillan wrote: "Lee went to their building and Julian Evans, who was seated at breakfast drinking his last cup of coffee, recognized him right away. He had known Lee both as a child and as a teenager, and there was something about him that neither he nor Myrtle liked. Julian finished his coffee, shook hands with the caller, and left for work. His wife Myrtle, a heavy-set women in her fifties, who wore glasses, and had reddish hair in a bun, peered at Lee closely, 'I know you, don't I?'"

"'Sure, I am Lee Oswald. I was just waiting to see when you were going to recognize me.'" McMillan: "Myrtle and Julian thought Oswald was in Russia. Even though there was something she didn't like about Oswald, Myrtle took Oswald to lunch and helped him find the apartment on Magazine Street." According to McMillan however, she drove Oswald around in her car looking for "FOR RENT" signs until they found one on Magazine Street."

"Lee spotted one and they went in," McMillan writes (Marina and Lee, p. 313). "There were two apartments for rent at 4907 Magazine Street, and the bigger one looked as if it might do. It was on the ground floor. It had a long living room, a screened-in front porch, a yard, and the kind of iron fence children can't crawl through. The rent was $65 a month. Myrtle advised Lee that it was the best value for his money and he'd better take it."

The landlady was Mrs. Jesse Garner, who lived with her husband in an apartment next door in the same building complex. Oswald told Mrs. Garner he worked for the Leon Israel Company at 300 Magazine Street when he actually had obtained a job that morning at the William Reily Coffee Company on the same street. It was Jesse Garner who most likely answered the telephone the three times that Adele Edisen called at the request of Dr. Jose Rivera.

Oswald photo

The key question is: How did Dr. Jose Rivera in Washington D.C. know Lee Harvey Oswald's New Orleans phone number at Jesse Garner's 4905-7 Magazine Street apartment house on April 23, when Oswald himself didn't know where he would be living until May 9? If true, it indicates that at least some of Oswald's movements were being directed by someone in Washington D.C. On May 9 Oswald called Marina at Ruth Paine's house in Irving, Texas with the news that he had obtained a job and apartment. Marina told Mrs. Paine and the children "Papa loves us," and was very happy. Mrs. Paine, Marina and the children left Irving the next day in Mrs. Paine's station wagon, staying overnight en route and arriving in New Orleans on May 11th. Mrs. Paine then stayed with the Oswalds at their new Magazine Street apartment for three days.

Ed Haslam, who wrote a book called, Mary, Ferrie and the Monkey Virus, and Adele Edisen suspect that the corner 4905-07 Magazine Street apartment building complex was owned by Mr. and Mrs. William McLaney until 1974, when it was sold to Isabella Dawson, who (according to Mary Ferrell) had previously signed a rent receipt for Oswald, indicating she had something to do with the building before she bought it.

Shortly after she returned to New Orleans, Edisen called Winston DeMonsabert, the Loyola faculty member whose name Rivera had given her, but he denied knowing Dr. Rivera. [This is contrary to what DeMonsabert told John Gooch and Dick Russell when they interviewed DeMonsabert, who admitted to being in communication with Rivera up to the time of his death.] When Edisen checked with the chairman of Loyola's biochemistry department, Dr. Fred Brazda, he said he knew Rivera but told Edisen that Rivera "had left the university under very peculiar circumstances" and warned her not to have anything to do with him.

Suspicious of what she knew then, Edisen called the New Orleans office of the U.S. Secret Service and spoke with Special Agent Rice. According to Edisen, "After giving my name, address and telephone number to him, I told him I had met a man in Washington in April who said some strange things about the President which I thought they should know. It was my intention to go there and tell them about Rivera and his statements, but I began to think they might not believe me, so I called back and cancelled. Agent Rice told me they would be there any time I would care to come in."

Four months later, in early August 1963, Edisen received an envelope in the mail with no return address and her name and address printed in a very crude scrawl. Enclosed, in a wadded up form, was the box-like drawing made by Jose Rivera on April 23, 1963 at the Marriott Hotel restaurant in Washington D.C., when Rivera made mention of men on the "fifth floor." Also in August, Edisen saw Oswald on television, handing out Fair Play for Cuba leaflets in front of the International Trade Mart in New Orleans. She recalled the announcer referring to him as "Leon" Oswald, noticed the similarity in names, and wondered if it was a coincidence.

In September 1963, sometime after Labor Day, Edisen was speaking with Dr. Greg Harris in the hallway at LSU, when Rivera got off an elevator. "Of course I watched him," Edisen recalls, "and he didn't see me at first. He had very thick glasses. He may not have seen at long distance. But when he was about eight or ten feet away, he noticed me and halted and he almost stumbled stepping backwards. He looked as if he had seen a ghost, and then he walked on. He recovered by saying he had to go see Fred Brazda, his friend in the biochemistry." That was the last time Adele Edisen saw Dr. Jose Rivera.

For Edisen it all came to a head on the day of the assassination. "[On] November 22, my fears became reality. I spent much of the day listening to the news from Dallas and sorting out my memories of April, 1963. I felt I was involved, however innocently, and I thought it important the Secret Service and FBI be told of Rivera. Rivera was, to me, no longer a delusional psychotic, but an assassination conspirator. It also occurred to me that Oswald might be innocent despite the emphasis on his guilt by the news media, and that he might have been somehow manipulated by Rivera and his 'we' who were 'playing a little joke' on Oswald."

Two days later, on Sunday, November 24, Edisen, for the third time, called U.S. Secret Service office in New Orleans and spoke with Special Agent Rice. She was asked to go to the Federal Building at 600 South Street, where SA Rice met her in the lobby. She was told not to sign the entry-exit register with the security guard. They went to an office on the fifth floor, where they were informed that Oswald had been shot in Dallas.

Edisen, at first, believed she met with Special Agent J. Calvin Rice, who has been identified as an agent of the FBI. Rather, she met with John W. Rice, the Special Agent In Charge of the New Orleans office of the Secret Service. She described Rice as being thin and short, not much taller than she was, while J. Calvin Rice has been described as over six feet tall and husky. In addition, it would have been the Secret Service, not the FBI, who were responsible for the safety of the President and investigation of threats against his life.

In the office, Rice introduced Edisen to "a tall, heavy-set bald man with wire-rimmed eyeglasses, a Special Agent of the FBI," who she recalls was named Orrin Bartlett. Orrin Bartlett has been identified as the FBI liaison with the Secret Service. Rice said they were working closely on the case. There was no one else in the office. Edisen believes the three-to-four hour long interview was tape-recorded. "Mr. Rice was seated at his desk, and I was seated to his right, and the FBI agent remained standing most of the time. I believe he may have taped it because every time Mr. Rice got up from his desk, there was a partition over there, for example, and there was a phone there which they used even though there was a phone on the desk, which I didn't understand, but apparently there was some reason for that. So every time Mr. Rice got up to answer the phone or to use the phone, I noticed his hand would do this, and I would either hear a whirring, a mechanical sound like a tape recorder or something. It may have been audiotaped."

Edisen told them the story of how she met Dr. Jose Rivera in Atlantic City in April and visited with him for two days in Washington D.C., and showed them the airline ticket, hotel receipts and the notes she kept. "At this point," Edisen recalls, "the agents' questioning became more intense. I was asked to further identify Rivera, his position at the NIH, and his physical description. I also gave them Rivera's office telephone number and his home phone number (301-654-7348) in Chevy Chase, Maryland. The FBI agent quickly went behind the partition and called someone, giving this information. I thought Rivera was to be apprehended."

"When the FBI agent returned from behind the partition, he asked if they could have the note, and I agreed," Edisen later wrote. As the interview came to an end, Agent Rice asked the FBI agent if he "had the film," and if he was ready to leave for Dallas, as "the plane was ready." "Before he showed me the door," wrote Edisen, "Agent Rice asked me to call them if I remembered anything else, and requested that I not tell anyone I had been there to speak with them. I understood this to be for my own protection as well as for their investigation. Both agents thanked me for speaking with them."

After she recalled a few more details, Edisen called Agent Rice a few days later, and repeated her fears of Rivera and his threats, but Rice counseled her, "Don't worry. That man can't hurt you." Edisen thought Rivera was in custody, and she expected to be called as a witness before the Warren Commission. "When the Warren Report was published, I was mystified and dismayed by the conclusion that Oswald acted alone, and that Jack Ruby acted alone, for my experiences told me otherwise."

Rivera's voice would come back to haunt her many times over the years, beginning shortly after the assassination, when she learned of the death of Edward Grant Stockdale, a former Ambassador to Ireland. When she heard Stockdale had jumped out of a window in Miami a few weeks after the assassination, she thought of what Rivera said: "They will say his best friend killed him. After it happens the President's best friend will jump out a window because of his grief."

After maintaining her silence about the whole affair for many years, Edisen consulted an attorney to see if there was any record of her pre-assassination phone calls to the Secret Service or her post assassination interview. After perusing the 26 volumes of Warren Commission testimony and exhibits and finding nothing about Dr. Jose Rivera or reports from FBI Agent J. Calvin Rice or SAIC John Rice, she had New Orleans attorney Jack Peebles file a request under the Freedom of Information Act, but no documentation was discovered.

When the Church Committee convened she contacted Sen. Frank Church, Chairman of the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence, and when Sen. Daniel Inouye and his staff seemed interested she sent a copy of all documentation she had as well as a narrative of her experiences, but later received the response that the matter was "outside the purview of the Special Committee's work." A copy of the three-page summary of her experiences was also personally given to a Special Agent of the FBI in San Antonio, Texas, in 1984, which he sent to Headquarters.

A year later she again made an FOIA request to the FBI for anything they had in their files, and the FBI again replied that it had nothing. More recently, Adele Edisen asked, in writing and at a public hearing, that the Assassination Records Review Board examine any records pertaining to Dr. (Col.) Jose Rivera, "and what his role was in all of this. I know something about him, that he spent some time in Japan, for example, he told me that, and it may have been there at that time Oswald was there. He knew Oswald somehow."

As she concluded her Third Decade article, Edisen wrote, "History should record that some investigative work was conducted relevant to the information I had furnished to the U.S. Secret Service and the FBI following the assassination of President John F. Kennedy; however, there is no official record that this conversation ever took place. Why? If the information was not considered to be relevant and pertinent, there should be some record of the fact that the interview took place. If the information was considered to be relevant and pertinent, there certainly should have been a record of it."

"Whatever forces were operating to assassinate President Kennedy may never be revealed, but this should not deter anyone from seeking the truth. If our system of government, its laws, and our civil rights are to survive, we need to know the truth, no matter how convoluted and strange it may be. We deserve to know this long before the next century."

In 1989, Maryland newspapers published the obituary of "Dr. Jose Albert Rivera, pathologist, analyst, 78," which read:

Dr. Jose Albert Rivera, 78, a retired Army pathologist and research analyst at NIH, died of pancreatic cancer, Wednesday, Aug. 16, at the Naval Medical Center in Bethesda. He lived in Kensington, Maryland [at 3913 Dunnel Lane]. Dr. Rivera retired in 1973 from a second career as a medical research analyst at the Institute of Neurological Diseases and Blindness, one of the NIH, where he worked after retiring from the Army in 1965.

Born in Lima, Peru, Dr. Rivera studied medicine at the University of San Marcos. He moved to the United States to study at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore, earning his undergraduate degree there. He earned his doctoral degree from Georgetown University in 1939 and interned at Providence Hospital.

In 1942, he volunteered for the Army and was commissioned a first lieutenant in the medical corps. He was stationed at Walter Reed Army Hospital and later assigned to Halloran General Army Hospital in New York.

In 1944, while acting as chief of pathology at Halloran, he was promoted to captain and went on a series of assignments in Italy and France and at the 198th General Army Hospital in Berlin.

During the Korean War he served in the 1273rd Medical Field Unit of the 406th Medical General Laboratory and received a battlefield promotion to major. After the war, he was chief of laboratory service and pathology at the U.S. Army Hospital in Tokyo.

In 1958, he was assigned to the Reserve Training Center in Washington D.C., where he remained until his retirement in 1965.

Dr. Rivera was active in many civic organizations and charities. His favorites were the Epilepsy Foundation of America, the Reserve Officers Association of the United States and the Association of Military Surgeons of the United States....

Dr. Rivera is survived by two daughters, Linda Rivera-King of Abington, Pennsylvania, and Natalie Rivera Frederick of San Ramon, California, and three grandchildren. His wife, Anne J. Rivera, to whom he was married for 52 years, died in 1988. Services were held at Fort Myer Chapel, with burial at Arlington National Cemetery."

I found this to be some very interesting information. I do believe the author is our very own Bill Kelly. You may find the arictle at: www.namebase.org/edisen.html

Terry

I have always been of the opinion that the Kennedy family knows exactly what happened to JFK and RFK, but are in no position to do anything. As pointed out by David, look what happened to the King family- (and Judge Joe Brown)- when they tried to obtain justice. Reno became ....a disgrace to say the least.

At a COPA conference in Dallas on the 34th anniversary I met a Kennedy cousin and got to ask the question I have always wanted to ask: "Does the family read conspiracy books?" , and was told "Absolutely. Especially John. " (And look what happened to him).

I daresay the family is hesitant to discuss this matter not only out of fear of ridicule, but out fear for safety. And who could blame them? Poor Ted, this must weigh on him horribly.

Right after Clinton told aids to look into JFK strange things began to happen. This stuff is bigger than the president. These forces more powerful and still in control of the history that was not. We need more brave souls in the press like David Talbot and Jeff Morely...but what are THOSE chances?

Dawn

Dawn, Could you elaborate on "strange things began to happen.

Terry

Mr.Caddy,

Are you referring to the shot to the back as one of the bullets. or two to the head?

Terry

Hi, Terry and Richard,

Terry, how thoughtful of you to post this interesting, but unfortunately technically flawed work by Ashton. It is apparent he has given much thought and effort to the graphics and spent a great deal of time in organizing the post. The matter of bloodspatter and trajectory analysis is interesting and a very useful investigative and reconstructive tool in crime scene work. However, the analysis techniques and assumptions Ashton has used are incorrect, therefore his results are incorrect. Perhaps he will rework his graphics after reading my post or even better, watching my trajectory presentation. And Richard, thanks for posting all the witness statements and my graphic, all of that is so helpful in directing researchers toward the correct possible locations for a shooter of the fatal head wound. Perhaps, Terry, you could ask Ashton to look at this post on the JFK Lancer forum for my response. Then he could take advantage of the past posts I have done here to more fully answer any question he may have.

Since most JFK Lancer forum members are familiar with my work, and can search for additional information here, I will make my response brief.

ASHTON: if something representing that ejecta of matter from JFK's head could be placed more or less reasonably in 3D space, it might be used as a plotted point that if connected with another plotted point at the apparent head wound in the Zapruder film (on the right front of JFK's head) would create a line theoretically leading back— Well, it very well could lead back to the head wound shooter location.

SHERRY: What you are referring to as ejecta in frame 312 of the Zapruder film is called backspatter. Backspatter is blood, other fluids and occasionally minute tissue particles that are forced from an entry wound back in the direction of the shooter. Backspatter has distinctive characteristics that make it different from forward spatter that originates from the exit wound. One reason to assure the spatter in 312 is in fact backspatter, is that JFK’s head creates a void at his left rear. If the bloodspatter in 312 was forward or exit spatter, blood could not have been deposited on Bobby Hargis. Therefore, this alone demonstrates Ashton’s suggested trajectory and shooter location incorrect.

ASHTON: I created a simple cube to represent the ejecta. I used a cube so I could angle one edge toward the apparent head wound location, then use two points on that edge to create a construction line back through the apparent head wound opening.

SHERRY: You used a cube to represent the backspatter; however the correct shape is a very wide cone. In fact, the angles of the edge of this cone has been measured at less than 10 degrees since the blood is forcefully expressed and will travel in every possible direction. Moreover, we do not positively know the correct entry and exit wound locations. That is why when I did trajectory analysis, I relied on general areas of the head for entry and exit wounds; I used the front and rear right quadrants, since the injuries are documented as confined to those areas. There is also no way of being certain the projectile did not vary slightly from a straight line trajectory. Even more importantly, if fracturing was created by bullet impact and cavitation created dislodged bones, the exit wounds may not be aligned at all with the original trajectory of the projectile. Therefore, a trajectory cone is a more reasonable, defendable, and viable manner of suggesting a trajectory. That is what is depicted in the graphic Richard so, kindly posted.

My trajectory analysis is detailed carefully in my JFK HOMICIDE Forensic Reconstruction CD. The CD contains four New PowerPoint Presentations:

• Bloodspatter Analysis in the Kennedy Murder: Proving a Frontal Headshot

• Trajectory Analysis of Kennedy’s Fatal Head Wound

• Crime Scene Investigation: 1963 Protocols

• Trajectory Analysis in the Tippit Shooting

The CD is available here http://www.jfklancer.com/catalog/gutierrez/index.html

Ashton, I hope you will consider my research work and redo your graphic work. What an interesting way to show those who may not have had an opportunity to go to Dealey Plaza various viewpoints. Thanks so much for your interest in bloodspatter and trajectory analysis. Based in mathmatics, these findings are much needed to finally answer opinions and theories commonly believed but factually incorrect.

My best to all of you, with hopes that you and your loved ones have a blessed holiday season.

Sherry

My first wife's uncle lived in South Florida and I thought that he was one of the nicest old men that I had ever known. I married in June, 1972. When this old gentleman died in the mid 80's,we were very surprised to learn that he had over two (2) million dollars in various bank accounts. His sister told me he had worked as a CIA agent. His job was carrying cash (very large amounts) to leaders, diplomats, etc. of other countries. I was unable to find out anything else about this man. His only "job" was as an investor. Obviously he was good at his job. The reason that I bring this up is that one's appearance and demeanor in any particular situation does not necessarily let us know who he is.

Terry

Please understand that this does not reflect on John in any way, it was just something that I thought the forum would find interesting. What he brings to the JFK investigation is unequaled. I only wish that I had been more alert about what I was being told back then, and could have questioned my wife's relative as to his activities. (not that he would have elaborated, but who knows)

Hoover's dislike of Robert Kennedy continued even after Kennedy's death. We had a positive identification on James Earl Ray, the killer of Martin Luther King, Jr., a full day before Hoover released the news to the world that he had been caught in London. He purposely held up the report of Ray's capture so that he could interrupt TV coverage of Bobby's burial, on June 8.[/color]

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Typical Hoover,

Sullivans account just shows how difficult matters of this magnitude are to investigate and what international forces you may or may not be dealing with.

I find Hoover interupting bobbys burial truly sickening.

John

Hoover's trying to cut into the coverage of the funeral was not just Sullivan's theory. Attorney General Ramsey Clark, Hoover's boss at the time, discovered the same thing, and has mentioned it in several interviews. In Robert Kennedy's FBI file, moreover, there are memos regarding a memorial service for Kennedy held at the Justice Department. Hoover had one of his men take notes on everyone who attended and what they had to say.

Hoover was a sick S.O.B. It wouldn't surprise me one bit if he had something to do with the JFK, MLK and RFK killings. While many of the Europeans on this forum tend to think CIA CIA, within the United States Hoover and his FBI were far more powerful, and far more evil.

Pat, I feel certain that Hoover would have had people in the CIA keeping him completely updated, as well as implementing any directives. I think that without a doubt that J. Edgar Hoover was directly involved before and after the three assassinations.

Terry

Hello All.

I hope everyone had a great Thanksgiving. It was very frustrating for me on the 22nd to find almost nothing about the JFK assassination on TV, so when I heard that Larry King was having the director and cast of "Bobby" on his show I couldn't wait to watch it. I don't know what I expected, but I was very disappointed in the host. He seemed to me, at least, to make light of the assassination of RFK. At the end of the show, King asked everyone their thoughts of what they expected might come from the film, and as Pat mentioned most spoke that a new leader might emerge bringing new hope that was doused when RFK was Killed. I was shocked when Larry King said,"As a final note, I'm sure it will be one Hell of a yarn." Anyone see the show? And, if so, what did you think of it?

Terrry Adams

As an afterthought , didn't Larry King say, in Dallas. soon after the assassination that Gerry Hemming was one of the people being looked at as a shooter? This was supossedly said loud enough for Hemming to hear it himself.

As horrible as the effects of the bombs were, they prevented estimated deaths of up to 1,000,000 American soldiers, had the U.S. conducted a ground war on mainland Japan. It was , sadly, a necessary evil.

Terry

Ed, All,

I always felt something was very wrong with the harper fragment. First, that it was found the next day. and it had a bullet hole in it. Would the bullet not have caused another piece of the skull to be propelled out, rather than the area of the skull that it entered.

Terry

Jack,

If the gun that Beverly is holding is the same make and model, it certainly adds strength to your argument that the "Oswald" rifle had a different mount for the leather strap than did hers. One can plainly see the mount( near the end of the stock, barrel end) on LHO's gun, and it clearly is not there on the one that she is holding.

Terry