William O'Neil

Ron, Rothermel's files are still in his controll, and will not be available to the public EVER! At least that's what he told me. He said " What I know about the Kennedy Assassination will die with me" IMO he knew alot!

-Bill

Thanks a lot, Bill. When were you last in touch with him? A researcher talked to his wife a year or so ago (maybe longer) and she said Paul had died of a fall from a roof. Where ever his files are, they probably contain much that should be considered vital JFK assassination material.

Ron W

Ron, We spoke to him about 3yrs ago at length at his home in Richardson TX. I did not know he had passed away, did it make the news? He had alot of files in his home and other materials stored somewhere else. This guy knew where the 'bodies were buried' so to speak. I doubt any of his stuff will surface, he said too many of his freinds or their families would suffer as a result, and "I don't want that to happen, they are people I respect"...

Spooky dude, One of the most nerve racking interviews we've done... !

-Bill

RON. IF JAMES IS CORRECT ON ROTHERMEL'S DEATH ( HE PROBABLY IS ), THEN OBVIOUSLY I'M OFF ON MY GUESS OF THE INTERVIEW YEAR.

TIME SEEMS TO BE FLYING BY THESE DAYS, BUT THAT INTERVIEW SEEMS LIKE IT WAS LAST WEEK IN MY MIND. I WILL CHECK WITH MY FRIEND WHO WAS WITH ME AT THE TIME . WE DID ANOTHER INTERVIEW IN RICHARDSON ABOUT 3 YEARS AGO , AND THAT MAYBE WHY THAT DATE STUCK IN MY HEAD.

-BILL

Ron, Rothermel's files are still in his controll, and will not be available to the public EVER! At least that's what he told me. He said " What I know about the Kennedy Assassination will die with me" IMO he knew alot!

-Bill

Thanks a lot, Bill. When were you last in touch with him? A researcher talked to his wife a year or so ago (maybe longer) and she said Paul had died of a fall from a roof. Where ever his files are, they probably contain much that should be considered vital JFK assassination material.

Ron W

Rothermel died in 2002.

I agree that his files would reveal some stunning information. I submit Rothermel had extensive material on several curious folk including Loy Factor, Richard Nagell and several paramilitary types with connections back to the CIA.

"Rothermel died in 2002"

Well , if that's true James, then my guessestimate of the year we talked to him is off. Man! time is flying fast these days. I'll go find my notes and check the date.

James

Ron, Rothermel's files are still in his controll, and will not be available to the public EVER! At least that's what he told me. He said " What I know about the Kennedy Assassination will die with me" IMO he knew alot!

-Bill

Thanks a lot, Bill. When were you last in touch with him? A researcher talked to his wife a year or so ago (maybe longer) and she said Paul had died of a fall from a roof. Where ever his files are, they probably contain much that should be considered vital JFK assassination material.

Ron W

Ron, We spoke to him about 3yrs ago at length at his home in Richardson TX. I did not know he had passed away, did it make the news? He had alot of files in his home and other materials stored somewhere else. This guy knew where the 'bodies were buried' so to speak. I doubt any of his stuff will surface, he said too many of his freinds or their families would suffer as a result, and "I don't want that to happen, they are people I respect"...

Spooky dude, One of the most nerve racking interviews we've done... !

-Bill

Does anybody know if there is a website where I can search a 1963 phone directory for New Orleans??

I'm looking for certain address locations, such as the Secret Service Field Office location.

Thanks -Bill

Bill,

"To examine non-current U.S. telephone directories (white and yellow pages) for years not included in the set of Phonefiche, one may request the paper copies in the Local History and Genealogy Reading Room by filling out a call slip using "Telephone Directory" as the call number, the town and state as the title, and the years needed as the volume numbers. You should be aware, however, that pre-1976 directories for fourteen states, the District of Columbia, and Chicago have been microfilmed by the Library of Congress and can only be requested in the Microform Reading Room (LJ 139B). Additional information about this microfilming project is contained in the following section."

http://www.loc.gov/rr/genealogy/bib_guid/t...honnoncurr.html

Also, you could ask these people to keep an eye out for one. They had a '62 NO directory for sale, but looks like someone beat you to it.

http://www.oldtelephonebooks.com/city/New%...leans/Louisiana

Or, for a nominal fee, call Herb Hackenberg, Telecommunications History Group, Denver on 1-303-296-1221 and he'll look up the '63 address for you.

Thanks Dennis and Greg, I saw some of those listings too, maybe I'll call Hackenberg.

One thing I'm interested in is, who was "Mr. Rice", who had an office "over on Canal St." whom Carlos Quiroga mentions in his Grand Jury testimony as he is questioned by Garrison. He says he went over to tell Mr. Rice about Oswald, after he ran into disinterest from Martello and the FBI. He said he had worked for Mr. Rice "until he died". Was this SAIC John W. Rice of the NO's Secret Service?

Whoever it was, died proir to Quiroga's GJ date in 67'

That's why I'm looking for the NO's SS Field Office address.

Thom Purvis!.... any thoughts?

Thanks ,

-Bill

Bill, Could you ask Adele Edison ( or send me her E-mail address, I lost it ) if she remembers where SS Agent John Rice's office was? She went there and talked to him about Rivera.

Thanks,

-Bill O

Bill,

I think its primary level was the running of drugs and guns. The upper level was the subsequent banking and profit distribution.

Then again ...

James

James, Mary Ferrell's file says it was another crypt for 'CIA', not sure why they would have two tho (KUBARK). After searching this term everywhere I could, it seems that this may be the case, as the docs seem to refer to CIA, or a related section or program of there agency. The GOLIATH doc's refereing to Guy Banister and Assoc. being considered as a "cover mechanism" and then "dropped from consideration", is very similar to CIA documents saying virtually the same thing.

???

Thanks

- BILL

Does anyone have info about the Crypt- GOLIATH, or what kind of project it was. Seems to involve interest in Hemming and Guy Banister and Assoc. among other things.

Thanks,

-Bill

Does anybody know if there is a website where I can search a 1963 phone directory for New Orleans??

I'm looking for certain address locations, such as the Secret Service Field Office location.

Thanks -Bill

Bill,

"To examine non-current U.S. telephone directories (white and yellow pages) for years not included in the set of Phonefiche, one may request the paper copies in the Local History and Genealogy Reading Room by filling out a call slip using "Telephone Directory" as the call number, the town and state as the title, and the years needed as the volume numbers. You should be aware, however, that pre-1976 directories for fourteen states, the District of Columbia, and Chicago have been microfilmed by the Library of Congress and can only be requested in the Microform Reading Room (LJ 139B). Additional information about this microfilming project is contained in the following section."

http://www.loc.gov/rr/genealogy/bib_guid/t...honnoncurr.html

Also, you could ask these people to keep an eye out for one. They had a '62 NO directory for sale, but looks like someone beat you to it.

http://www.oldtelephonebooks.com/city/New%...leans/Louisiana

Or, for a nominal fee, call Herb Hackenberg, Telecommunications History Group, Denver on 1-303-296-1221 and he'll look up the '63 address for you.

Thanks Dennis and Greg, I saw some of those listings too, maybe I'll call Hackenberg.

One thing I'm interested in is, who was "Mr. Rice", who had an office "over on Canal St." whom Carlos Quiroga mentions in his Grand Jury testimony as he is questioned by Garrison. He says he went over to tell Mr. Rice about Oswald, after he ran into disinterest from Martello and the FBI. He said he had worked for Mr. Rice "until he died". Was this SAIC John W. Rice of the NO's Secret Service?

Whoever it was, died proir to Quiroga's GJ date in 67'

That's why I'm looking for the NO's SS Field Office address.

Thom Purvis!.... any thoughts?

Thanks ,

-Bill

Thom Purvis!.... any thoughts?

Considering the computer problems which I am having, I was seriously thinking about going fishing.

Anyway.

Many of the SS as well as FBI as well as even later CIA personnel did considerable "inter-governmental" transfers.

Therefore, as most have found, most of he early CIA came from the FBI and even some from the SS.

Likewise, many of the SS came from the FBI, and as such, they often list themselves within the "Book" of former/retired FBI Agents.

Might first give this a check, and I would look through mine except that I am progressively re-boxing most of this junk back up and hauling it out to storage sheds, where not unlike already "lost" stuff, it can remain lost until such time as my descendants decide to dig through it.

Failing that, the New Orleans antique/junk/book stores always had lots of such items.

However, this was prior to Katrina and I have not been down there since before Katrina.

Those stores on the "High Ground" up at Ponchatoula and at Denham Springs always had some of these type items as well, to include finding lots of copies of various years of "JAMBALAYA", the Tulane yearbook.

So, the best liklihood would be to find someone who knows someone who plunders a lot in these places and put the word out for such an item.

Hoover was well known for his assignment of "Local" boy FBI Agents to the areas in which they grew up.

In that manner, he had considerable less problems with them blending in with and being accepted by the populace of the area.

Thom, I also asked Vince Palamara, if he knows anything. Looks like I'm going to have to go back to the Quarter again some day, loose ends are still flapping......

Thank ya much.

-Bill

[written for and originally posted on the JFK Research Forum: www.jfkresearch.com, 1/25/08]

I’ve ...been using the Mary Ferrell Foundation site and found something interesting.

I had thought it was odd that ...David Kroman was not listed in Mary Ferrell’s database. Well if I would have been half awake I would have checked some different spellings. He was there, but she had his name as “Krohman.”

Here is what her entry says:

DAVID R. (AKA DON MORGAN) KROHMAN, Gave information to Jim Garrison's office, mostly about Richard Nagell.

So she knew about Kroman using the Don Morgan alias, but there was more. She also knew about the famous ...letter that Vaughn Marlowe had sent to Jim Garrison on March 23, 1967, that was signed “Don Morgan (alias).” She just (understandably) assumed the letter was from Kroman, and so later in entries in her “Chronologies” she thinks Vaughn Marlowe and “Krohman” are the same guy!

For example, an entry for March 1963:

Richard C. Nagell “befriends” Krohman (aka Don Morgan)…

Krohman is proprietor of “left-wing book-store” in Los Angeles.

(DA Garrison’s files: per Stephen Jaffe letter 3/23/67 to Garrison from “Don Morgan” of Berkely, Calif (?))

+++++

David Kroman seemed to be one of those researcher/investigators who were claiming that H.L. Hunt had some role in the JFK assassination and his investigative activities in Dallas, probably starting as early as December of 1963 (at which time he was using the "Don Morgan" alias), drew the attention of Paul Rothermel, the security director for the Hunt family interests. There most likely are references to David Kroman/Don Morgan in Rothermel's files, but I have not been able to determine if his files have been retained or if they are available to researchers.

Ron W

Ron, Rothermel's files are still in his controll, and will not be available to the public EVER! At least that's what he told me. He said " What I know about the Kennedy Assassination will die with me" IMO he knew alot!

-Bill

Does anybody know if there is a website where I can search a 1963 phone directory for New Orleans??

I'm looking for certain address locations, such as the Secret Service Field Office location.

Thanks -Bill

Bill,

"To examine non-current U.S. telephone directories (white and yellow pages) for years not included in the set of Phonefiche, one may request the paper copies in the Local History and Genealogy Reading Room by filling out a call slip using "Telephone Directory" as the call number, the town and state as the title, and the years needed as the volume numbers. You should be aware, however, that pre-1976 directories for fourteen states, the District of Columbia, and Chicago have been microfilmed by the Library of Congress and can only be requested in the Microform Reading Room (LJ 139B). Additional information about this microfilming project is contained in the following section."

http://www.loc.gov/rr/genealogy/bib_guid/t...honnoncurr.html

Also, you could ask these people to keep an eye out for one. They had a '62 NO directory for sale, but looks like someone beat you to it.

http://www.oldtelephonebooks.com/city/New%...leans/Louisiana

Or, for a nominal fee, call Herb Hackenberg, Telecommunications History Group, Denver on 1-303-296-1221 and he'll look up the '63 address for you.

Thanks Dennis and Greg, I saw some of those listings too, maybe I'll call Hackenberg.

One thing I'm interested in is, who was "Mr. Rice", who had an office "over on Canal St." whom Carlos Quiroga mentions in his Grand Jury testimony as he is questioned by Garrison. He says he went over to tell Mr. Rice about Oswald, after he ran into disinterest from Martello and the FBI. He said he had worked for Mr. Rice "until he died". Was this SAIC John W. Rice of the NO's Secret Service?

Whoever it was, died proir to Quiroga's GJ date in 67'

That's why I'm looking for the NO's SS Field Office address.

Thom Purvis!.... any thoughts?

Thanks ,

-Bill

Does anybody know if there is a website where I can search a 1963 phone directory for New Orleans??

I'm looking for certain address locations, such as the Secret Service Field Office location.

Thanks -Bill

Anybody know a web site, that allows you to search a 1963 New Orleans phone book/directory??

I'm trying to locate some addresses, such as the NO 's Secret Service Field office location.

Thanks,

-Bill

While re- reading Carlos Bringuier's book "Red Friday" I noticed something I missed before.The publisher mentions in the Bio page, that Carlos was "appointed the New Orleans delagate of the Cuban Student Directorate" (pg xiv). Other than that, there is no further mention that this was a fact. Nowhere in the text does Carlos mention that he even had a connection to the DRE.

There is a curious absense of any reference to the DRE, let alone his appointment as delagate (in charge of propaganda).

It was a well known fact that Bringuier was, by his own admission in WC testimony and elsewhere, a DRE delagate.

The other curious thing is that the book was finished around the end of the Garrison investigation (1969), where the DRE had become a suspect. Was Carlos trying to aviod his connection for that reason? Yet, even at the time of Posner's book, he is denying to Posner that he was ever a member of the DRE.

Wonder why?

-Bill

Exactly, Bringuier's involvement is smelly to say the least. Hmmm. the propaganda officer of an organization funded by the CIA just so happens to have an altercation with a Castro supporter, and TV cameras just so happen to be there, and then the propaganda officer just so happens to debate this "Castro supporter" on the radio, where it just so happens to come out that this "Castro supporter" was a former marine who defected to Russia. This just so happens to discredit the organization he was supposedly representing. And, oh yeah, it would also just so happen that this "Castro supporter" was the only member of the local chapter of this organization and that the FBI had targeted this organization to infiltrate and discredit.

If anyone should be water-boarded at Guantanamo, it's Carlos. Not that I support water-boarding.

Pat, Actually it gets worse than that, but for the time being, this is the oddity. This is a guy who immediately runs out after the 'debate' to tell his amigos in the DRE Miami HQ about Oswald , releases statements as Delagate of the Cuban Student Directorate, calling for a Congressional inquiry about Oswald. Tours with Billy James Hargis in 64', and brags about foiling Oswalds attempt at, "infiltrating his Organization or group ( which is what now?)

Then in his book and in later years with Posner, suppresses and denies these facts.

I don't get it.....uhh.... yes I do.

While re- reading Carlos Bringuier's book "Red Friday" I noticed something I missed before.The publisher mentions in the Bio page, that Carlos was "appointed the New Orleans delagate of the Cuban Student Directorate" (pg xiv). Other than that, there is no further mention that this was a fact. Nowhere in the text does Carlos mention that he even had a connection to the DRE.

There is a curious absense of any reference to the DRE, let alone his appointment as delagate (in charge of propaganda).

It was a well known fact that Bringuier was, by his own admission in WC testimony and elsewhere, a DRE delagate.

The other curious thing is that the book was finished around the end of the Garrison investigation (1969), where the DRE had become a suspect. Was Carlos trying to aviod his connection for that reason? Yet, even at the time of Posner's book, he is denying to Posner that he was ever a member of the DRE.

Wonder why?

-Bill

LHO had two apts. "the crazy doorway" entrance' on Elsbeth St, 605 or 602 I think ( from memory) also mentioned on this Forum years ago. Ask Jim Marrs and Peter Lemkin about that apt. I took Jim Marrs to both of these apt, Becklet and Elsbeth, also Nigel Turner and Oliver Stone's people were taken there by me..

good work

Someone kindly sent me this link to an article in The Fourth Decade magazine about the 'Cozy Eight Apartments' on Beckley:

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...amp;relPageId=7

Is this one of the apartments you meant Tosh?

Yes, and just how did Gary Taylor know that Oswald was ( supposedly) in the Beckley section of Oak Cliff? Not even Marina or the Taylors knew Oswalds address then, or later! Gary had a vague memory of getting an address from his mother- in- law, Jeane De Mohrenschildt, via (his wife) Alexandra, and searching for this place. However, he couldn't pinpoint the exact time frame, just btw "Sept -Nov. 15th", 1962. ( WC IX, pg 87-8) He may have been looking for the Elsbeth apt , as he helped Os move in there, a short time later, I believe.

Oswald supposedly told George Bouhe that he was staying at the"Carlton Boarding House in the Oak Cliff" No record was ever found of his residence there. ( see Marina + Lee pg. 254)

-Bill

-Bill

The counter culture scene of the 1960s turned ugly once the real heavy stuff showed up,wanna put one up the man, man, drop a tab, "You'd better free your mind instead." (Lennon) Never mind revolution, marching, and fighting for social change, by the late sixties all that mattered was expanding your individual consciousness, why do you think the weathermen were so pissed, and some people believe all this happened by chance!!!! Take one hippie, mix with acid and heroin, hey presto Ladies and Gents Charles Manson. "The dream is over"(Lennon)

Ps, Find out where Owlsley got the trip, making high grade Acid in his bedroom for distribution in haight asbury, flood the streets, kill the dream. opps their goes Jimi, Jim, Janis, Brian. "Go see Alice, when shes ten feet tall" ( Jefferson Airplane)

Stephen, Not to be fussy but, Charles Manson was not a "Hippie", he actually hated them. Manson was a career criminal and a by- product of the prison system, in which he had spent the majority of his days.

-Bill

In search for foreign intelligence, spies turn to YouTube, MySpace, blogs

www.rawstory.com

February 7, 2008

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/In_search_fo...spies_0207.html

With rapidly advancing technology spreading across the globe, US spies are shifting their focus from surreptitiously photographing secret Soviet documents to trolling the Internet for what could be the next key nugget of foreign intelligence.

Among the most valuable sources, one top spook says, are blogs, MySpace and other Web 2.0 hallmarks.

"We're looking now at YouTube, which carries some unique and honest-to-goodness intelligence," Doug Naquin, director of the CIA's Open Source Center said in a recent speech to CIA retirees.

The speech was posted this week on SecrecyNews, the blog of the Federation of American Scientists Project on Government Secrecy.

"I would not have thought of YouTube as an obvious source of intelligence," Steven Aftergood, the project's director, told InfromationWeek, "but I think it's a good sign that the Open Source Center is looking at it, and at other new media."

Open source intelligence collection focuses on compiling and analyzing unclassified data from publicly available sources for use by the CIA, policy makers and other law enforcement agencies. Formerly known as the Foreign Broadcast Information Service, the Open Source Center's mission in recent years has shifted from translating newspaper and television reports from abroad to culling the Web for information on foreign targets. The center trains intelligence agents and others in government.

"This training includes everything from media analysis to advanced Internet exploitation, way beyond Googling," Naquin said.

The goal of open-source collection is to provide information that goes beyond what appears in the morning newspaper, and analysis of Web 2.0 content has become a key part of that, he said.

"A couple years back we identified Iranian blogs as a phenomenon worthy of more attention, about six months ahead of anybody else," he said.

Now even Iranian president Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has his own blog.

"We're looking at chat rooms and things that didn't even exist five years ago, and trying to stay ahead," Naquin said. "We have groups looking at what they call 'Citizens Media': people taking pictures with their cell phones and posting them on the Internet. Then there's Social Media, phenomena like MySpace and blogs."

With the end of the Cold War, Naquin said open source collection became a low priority in the Intelligence Community, causing the FBIS staff to be cut in half during the 90s. The terror attacks aimed at New York and Washington changed all that.

"[Nine-Eleven] was sort of a watershed for us," Naquin said. "The 9/11 Commission and WMD Commission both said, 'You know what? There are a lot of open sources out there. We should be putting a lot more attention toward exploiting those sources."

Naquin's full speech is available here (.pdf).

http://rawstory.com/news/2008/In_search_fo...spies_0207.html

Boo!

Bill,

Anybody ever hear of the FBI's TROPUS Program?

Evidently one Pedro Diaz Lanz was included among the Bureau's "TROPUS program subjects"

-Bill

Go to the FBI's JFK Assassination File, Section 180, p. 342 here:

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...bsPageId=787496

TROPUS stood for Travel of the President in the United States and the Commonwealth of Puerto Rico.

It was a method of the FBI sharing information with the Secret Service on persons who were considered to be a threat, not only to the President, but also employees of federal, state and local governments and officials of foreign governments.

It was a program instituted after JFK's assassination.

Steve Thomas

Thanks Steve, Now it makes sense.

Ahh yes, the Pere Marquette Bldg.

I thought it was kinda crowded in that elevator!

Very good Thomas, it gets more interesting each time you post it.

-Bill

Anybody ever hear of the FBI's TROPUS Program?

Evidently one Pedro Diaz Lanz was included among the Bureau's "TROPUS program subjects"

-Bill

Bill, mark PDL as a "person of interest".

A brief perusal of TROPUS documents, ot appears to have started after the assassination, and deals with not only the JFK case, but presidential protection in general.

--------------------------

tropos (Latin)

trope- figure of speech-figurative use of word; song- manner of singing

tropus (Latin)

trope- figure of speech-figurative use of word; song- manner of singing

tropo (Italian)

trope - figure of speech - any rhetorical device in which words are used not in accordance with their literal meaning - phrase interpolated into a text for purposes of emphasis

Greg, PDL has always been on my top 10 list.

Or maybe...TROP=Tropical and US = United States -??

Who knows,

Anybody ever hear of the FBI's TROPUS Program?

Evidently one Pedro Diaz Lanz was included among the Bureau's "TROPUS program subjects"

-Bill

This is just an excellent thread Greg.

Wish I had something to contribute, but for now I can only read with interest.

Great work.

Thanks Myra. I think it's just about run its course unless others have more they can add.

Greg, Then again, maybe like the NO's FPCC, Os had no intention of actually forming a chapter (or hiring Abt), but just trying to create that appearance.

What was that Nike ad, "Image is everything...."

Bill, you may be right. But in the case of the FPCC he sought media attention. With Abt, he seems to have avoided it (apart from allegedly whispering the Abt request to some reporters as he was being moved - with at least one of those reporters being a CIA asset according to the Third Decade article). I really don't understand what purpose it would serve to only create that impression with his captors.

Last year we went to the Library of Congress to look at the Herbert Philbrick Collection. Many interesting things were found. Including the fact that Herb had hooked up with Dallas RWer Earl Lvely, and that they had decided to write the REAL story on Os and 11/22. Earl's job was primarily researching the Dallas area of the case.

He approached his local contacts which included people in the DPD, who may have pointed Earl towards trusted ("approved")

sources ( like Lowery and Webster) for info on the Dallas 'leftist community' (LOL).

I was under the impression he did in fact, approach Lowery... and Butler, and that Butler was warned to cease feeding him FBI documents.

Looks to me like Lowery may have been a COMINFIL informant. Webster sounds like a similar type ( esp. being a Prof @SMU). Some of these "leftists" cooperated with authorities just to keep their own arse out of the ringer. sweatingbullets.gif

The idea of being such an informant was to get yourself into a position of power in order to manipulate the organization. Hence, Lowery nominating Joe Molina as President of the Dallas GI Forum with himself as Sergeant-at-Arms makes me wonder...

The manuscript was never finished due to publishing problems etc. However, it did make for interesting reading.

Speaking of books...what's the latest news on yours?

-Bill

Greg, I see your point about Os not going public with his request , and it is another puzzle among several, in this whole legal representation issue. Something's fishy... is it cod or catfish?

Yes, Earl did contact Lowery , who ( ostensibly) was never clear, about just what he could offer Lively in the way of help. Yet he didn't exactly tell him to buzz off either.

The BOOK is chugging along, tho work and the holidays made it hard to stay productive. You're not helping either mate, with all these distractions you keep coming up with jus kiddin

Carry on,

-Bill

Greg , Do you have the actuall testimony of Lowery ( against Stafford) where he admits that he did work for FBI?

Thanks -Bill

Bill, I was aware that was part of the testimony he gave, though I can't recall ever having read it.

The Stafford case was interesting also in that in 1963, RFK had called off local and state authorities from investigating him at least until after the Subversive Activities Control Board was done picking his bones.

This brings to mind Walker's allegation that RFK had intervened to get local authorities to release LHO after his arrest for the "attempt" to assassinate the good General.

Greg , That crossed my mind for a second, even tho I know that the RFK story was bogus. It never happened . Nor was Os being called before any Committee at that time. Then the story grew a tail, and it suddenly included Ruby in the arrest etc. etc.!

I 've come to look at this as a bit of a payback by Walker, for his sudden vacation in Sringfield, MO. in 62' . Paid for by RFK.

It was also good propaganda for the Commie/Jew conspiracy angle, which was being heavily promoted at the time.

Thanks, Bill

By airtel 1-13-64, Dallas Office reported that on 1-4-64 William James Lowery, Jr. a former security informant of the Dallas Office, reported that he had been contacted by Earl Lively, Jr., of Dallas, Texas. Lowery stated Lively is reported writing an anticommunist book which will stress the Fair Play for Cuba Committee connections of Lee Harvey Oswald. Lively showed Lowery a letter from Herbert Philbrick, former Communist Party member who has testified on behalf of the Government concerning communist activities. According to Lively, Philbrick plans to be in Dallas soon and desires to meet Lowery.

Dave, Lowery was a co-founder of the Dallas GI Forum along with Joe Molina. Edmond Villasana, Felix Botello, Joe Landin, and Augustin Estrada. For reasons not made clear, Molina dropped out of the organisation in July, 1962.

Lowery had testified against a guy called John Stafford, a CP official. Revill questioned Molina about Stafford.

RFK had actually intervened in local investigations on Stafford because of Federal proceedings against him - these being completed in Sept 1963. Lowery's testimony was that he had infiltrated this and "other groups" on behalf of the FBI. The FFBI actually went to press denying it.

I think Molina may have given the WC a scare with this testimony:

Mr. MOLINA. I know there's a fella that I talk with that belongs to the or

had worked with the FBI that knows my position in this thing.

Mr. BALL. I never heard anybody accuse you of any wrongdoing in connection

with this matter.

Mr. MOLINA. In fact, Bill Lowery worked with the FBI.

Mr. BALL. You don't have to worry about that; no one is accusing you of

anything.

Mr. MOLINA. Except the local people here.

Lowery had actually put Molina up for President of the GI Forum, and himself as Sergeant At Arms. According to Dulles, "infiltration" meant putting yourself into position of power in order to steer the group in the direction you wish. Lowery nominating Molina to me means only one of two things: Molina was (a) extremely maleable and naive or ( was part of the infiltration.

Going back to the list of GI Forum founders, you might also recognise the name Felix Botello. His name was on a membership list of a Minuteman-like paramilitary group with connections to Edwin Walker. Botello was also a FBI informant.

Greg , Do you have the actuall testimony of Lowery ( against Stafford) where he admits that he did work for FBI?

Thanks -Bill

Greg, I take it then you don't believe Oswald opened the P.O. Box 6225 either? If he did, then it appears to me that the ACLU is in 'play', and subsequent actions by Lee are expected.

There are indeed surface oddities that make the record confusing, as to what gambit /charade is being conducted in Dallas (post arrest), and by whom. However , I do see Oswald as an instructed, if not willing, participant in it, at least up to that point.

You may well be correct, that others beside Oswald are laying on additional evidence without his knowledge. I'm just not convinced that Oswald did not ask for Abt.

-Bill

Bill,

I can't recall off the top if Oswald or a postal clerk filled out the application - but either way, the ACLU could have been added to it.

It is fairly commonly believed that Oswald asked for Abt or the ACLU for the same reasons he had associated himself with the FPCC, and the evidence on the face of it seems to support that notion.

Against that, I say

firstly, the evidence that he did, when studied, is not by any stretch, above suspicion;

secondly, that if he truly was playing that same game, it would have been far more effective to specifically ask for Abt or the ACLU at one of the press conferences.

and thirdly, that if he really was asking for them, he was taking a huge gamble with his life in the face of the death penalty. I think few would dispute he loved his kids, and for that reason, would not take that risk. He would have known that Abt was not a criminal lawyer, and would have had no experience in murder cases, and that the ACLU only dealt with civil liberty cases. Bearing in mind that he loved his kids and knew he faced the death penalty, he did exactly what you would expect anyone else to do in the same situation when he got before a microphone and the media - he pleaded for SOMEONE (i.e. anyone) - to come forward.

But if Oswald was not behind this, who was? Not the cops - the one believable thing any of them said about this matter was that they'd never heard of Abt.

But as luck would have it, two legal experts just happened to be hanging around City Hall that day. Charles ("Chuck") Webster, a Law Professor at SMU and Greer Raggio about whom I'm still trying to find out more.

Not that there is much on Webster - but there is one very interesting doc on him concerning the activities of the CP and the GI Forum http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...amp;relPageId=1

It seems in 1960, certain members of the CP and GI Forum had formed a committee to support Webster for a run at congress. Instrumental in it was one, Bill Lowery - a security informant ( more on him here: http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...d&pid=11482 ). This indicates to me, Webster was an "approved" Leftist, if you get my drift. He certainly seemed to be in good standing with Dallas police. He was also the person who convinced Greg Olds that Oswald's rights were being looked after - resulting in Olds backing off and not insisting on seeing the prisoner.

Greg, Then again, maybe like the NO's FPCC, Os had no intention of actually forming a chapter (or hiring Abt), but just trying to create that appearance.

What was that Nike ad, "Image is everything...."

Last year we went to the Library of Congress to look at the Herbert Philbrick Collection. Many interesting things were found. Including the fact that Herb had hooked up with Dallas RWer Earl Lvely, and that they had decided to write the REAL story on Os and 11/22. Earl's job was primarily researching the Dallas area of the case.

He approached his local contacts which included people in the DPD, who may have pointed Earl towards trusted ("approved")

sources ( like Lowery and Webster) for info on the Dallas 'leftist community' (LOL). Looks to me like Lowery may have been a COMINFIL informant. Webster sounds like a similar type ( esp. being a Prof @SMU). Some of these "leftists" cooperated with authorities just to keep their own arse out of the ringer.

The manuscript was never finished due to publishing problems etc. However, it did make for interesting reading.

-Bill

Greg, In my previous response, I meant to say P.O. Box 6225. I do believe that's the one with ACLU listed on application (supposedly).