Cliff Varnell
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2 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:
A trusted source heard the first installment.
Tosh Plumlee says that he flew Howard Hunt into Dallas.
Can anyone confirm this?
It was Johnny Roselli he flew in with his mis-informed “abort team.”
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Not a book I’d recommend tho many do:
Josiah Thompson — Six Seconds in Dallas
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Fiction category:
Don Delillo — Libra
James Ellroy — American Tabloid
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Vincent Salandria — False Mystery
E. Martin Schotz — History Will Not Absolve Us
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On 11/5/2023 at 5:50 AM, Cliff Varnell said:
Smarts are one thing. Savvy is another.
We shall see.
Savvy it is!
I hope Mr. Bleau cites the clothing evidence at his Lancer presentation.
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1 hour ago, Micah Mileto said:
Excellent video!
Micah, I bailed out on that website several years ago. I used to invite people to turn their head to the right, glance down at the top of their right shoulder, raise and wave their right arm, observe the shirt fabric INDENT.
With parsimony as my North Star, now I invite people to observe the visible shirt collar behind JFK’s neck in Dealey Plaza photos. JFK’s jacket collar was in a normal position, counterfeiting the claim the shirt and jacket were severely bunched up as required by the SBT.
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4 hours ago, Jean Ceulemans said:
There goes 100$ to the fund (or was it dinner for two ?)
I’d enjoy buying my friend Cory lunch but Mr. Bleau (or somebody!) has to cite the clothing evidence at a conference or event commemorating the 60th.
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On 11/7/2023 at 1:28 AM, Cliff Varnell said:
So of course the evidence that choked up Arlen Specter doesn’t rank as a ”Chokehold.”
I stand corrected.
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15 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:
As Jim mentioned, there is no place like it. Maybe even Cliff and Kirk can agree on that?
Absolutely. I contribute every fund drive. I have some technical issues plaguing me at the moment, but I'll get through it...
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2 hours ago, Andrew Iler said:
I never want to disappoint anyone, but sorry Cliff, you’re going to be disappointed that the subject of the bullet hole in JFK’s shirt and jacket IS dealt with in chapter one of Chokeholds.
Excellent! I’ll contribute $100 to the Ed Forum!
2 hours ago, Andrew Iler said:Paul Bleau makes specific reference to FBI S.A. James Sibert’s conclusion that the “magic bullet” could not have caused all the wounds in Kennedy and Connally based in part on the location of the bullet holes in JFK’s shirt and jacket.
Wonderful news. I don’t like to be cynical all the time around here. Good show!
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16 hours ago, Cliff Varnell said:
From Episode 15:
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So far we’ve talked about the President’s throat wound, and back — or back of the neck wound depending on your JFK assassination worldview.
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Depending on your worldview?
The bullet holes in JFK’s clothes are 4 inches below the bottom of the collars.
Dealey Plaza photos/films show a normal amount of shirt collar visible behind his neck.
The jacket collar was, therefore, in a normal position resting at the base of his neck, or immediately above it.
What kind of “worldview” posits 3 inches of shirt and 3 inches of jacket elevating above a wound at the back of the neck without pushing up on the collar at the base of the neck?
Does Crumpton ever address this issue?
Apparently not.
Not a word about the actual physical evidence.
No wonder DiEugenio likes this guy.
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5 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:
Here is a link to Matt's shows. They are really well done, and he has a lot of good info in them.
The guy really works hard.
From Episode 15:
<quote on>
So far we’ve talked about the President’s throat wound, and back — or back of the neck wound depending on your JFK assassination worldview.
</q>
Depending on your worldview?
The bullet holes in JFK’s clothes are 4 inches below the bottom of the collars.
Dealey Plaza photos/films show a normal amount of shirt collar visible behind his neck.
The jacket collar was, therefore, in a normal position resting at the base of his neck, or immediately above it.
What kind of “worldview” posits 3 inches of shirt and 3 inches of jacket elevating above a wound at the back of the neck without pushing up on the collar at the base of the neck?
Does Crumpton ever address this issue?
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Michael Hogan
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On 11/4/2023 at 3:49 PM, Cliff Varnell said:
I’ll donate $100 to the Ed Forum if this book cites the clothing evidence as proof of conspiracy.
I’ll take it as a No.
Jim DiEugenio wrote 6 hours of Oliver Stone documentary and never mentioned the physical evidence, the bullet defects in JFK’s clothes.
He wrote a eulogy for Vincent Salandria and never mentioned Salandria’s long-time emphasis on the clothing evidence.
So of course the evidence that choked up Arlen Specter doesn’t rank as a ”Chokehold.”
Academic Malpractice.
Never bring troubling questions to a gun fight.
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As Gaeton Fonzi and Vincent Salandria taught some of us — the bullet holes in the clothes are too low to associate with the throat wound.
Why do so many insist on making the case for conspiracy more complex than that?
No one can build a career or monetize just repeating G & V. Chokeholds!
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1 hour ago, Bill Fite said:
Meaning that there's a lot of other ways to wreck it also.... and the bullet hole location doesn't clear Oswald of having been 1 of the shooters.
cheers.
Bill, you’ve persuaded me on the latter point.
However, the “other ways” of establishing Conspiracy are vastly inferior to the physical evidence, to the point of counter-productivity.
In 1966 Gaeton Fonzi confronted Arlen Specter with the clothing defects and Specter suffered a nervous breakdown.
It never got better than that.
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1 hour ago, Bill Fite said:
I don't think so.
Fair enough.
1 hour ago, Bill Fite said:It only helps to wreck the lone nut w only 3 shots from behind theory.
Only?
1 hour ago, Bill Fite said:Exactly -- but why even address LHO's guilt or innocence without starting by demonstrating either the impossibility or highly improbable likelihood of some unnamed single assassin causing all the known damage with 3 shots from the window in the TSBD in a discussion with others?
Let’s go with impossible.
The bullet holes in the clothes are too low.
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12 hours ago, Gerry Down said:
Paul Bleau is a smart guy.
Smarts are one thing. Savvy is another.
We shall see.
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1 hour ago, Bill Fite said:
Often wondered if the mixing of the lone nut / conspiracy with the legal arguments concerning Oswald don't confuse the issues.
Once it is demonstrated that the lone nut hypothesis is either impossible or highly improbable based on evidence & experiments that were run it has to be rejected.
Discussing legal standards for admissible evidence against Oswald confuses the lone nut / conspiracy issue with legal arguments for his guilt or innocence.
To me the evidence that is important is the evidence that negates the lone nut (whoever it might be) theory in a discussion concerning JFK's murder.
Agreed.
Like any cold case murder where the remains cannot be accessed, a thorough examination of the physical evidence recovered with the body is the highest priority.
The bullet holes in JFK’s clothes are too low to associate with the throat wound.
This establishes the fact that JFK suffered shallow soft tissue wounds in his back and throat with no exits — shots from two different directions, therefore conspiracy.
Oswald is accused of shooting Kennedy with 6.5mm Full Metal Jacket rounds — but 6.5mm FMJ don’t leave shallow wounds in soft tissue.
Isn’t that enough to establish Oswald’s innocence?
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1 hour ago, Benjamin Cole said:
One could argue, Landis has "corroborated" the findings of the FBI that there was copper on the bullet-entry holes in JFK short and coat...by finding a copper-jacketed slug on the top of the rear seat of the limo.
How does the Landis bullet associate with the back wound, other than the requirements of your pet theory? How would Landis know if the round were planted or not?
1 hour ago, Benjamin Cole said:And the Landis revelation "corroborates" the observations of the two FBI agents at the autopsy that the rear back entry wound of JFK may not have transited the body.
You assume the truth of your pet theory.
1 hour ago, Benjamin Cole said:This becomes subjective, no?
CV, you may believe you have divine insights into the JFKA. Others have other conclusions.
I don’t have “divine insights” — I have ear witness testimonies, eye witness testimonies, photographs, the Zfilm and physical evidence.
According to your pet theory JFK was hit in the back with a hunk of metal that damaged no organs — and for 6 seconds he didn’t say a word. He had time to warn the others, or duck down. But instead he reacted to a strike in his upper back by balling his fists in front of his throat and remaining mute.
What a crock!
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2 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:
The FBI lab detected copper on JFK's shirt and jacket, sites rear-entry wounds.
In other words, consistent with a copper-jacketed bullet striking JFK. of the type Landis said he found.
We can say, "Oh, well, the FBI lied and Landis is mistaken."
But when do we believe FBI lab results and when not?
After the introduction of CE399 the FBI Lab was not credible.
2 hours ago, Benjamin Cole said:And when do we believe witnesses and when not?
When their accounts are corroborated by ear witnesses, eye witnesses, photographs/film, physical evidence (see Bennett, Glen).
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1 hour ago, Cory Santos said:
I would like to see the clothing evidence then cliff so you can take me to lunch.
You’re a bit short of an event.
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1 hour ago, Cory Santos said:
Take me to lunch.
If the clothing evidence-as-proof-of-Conspiracy is cited at any conference or event relating to the 60th anniversary I’ll take you to lunch, Cory. Don’t get your hopes up.
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I’ll donate $100 to the Ed Forum if this book cites the clothing evidence as proof of conspiracy.
Rob Reiner And Soledad O'Brien Aim To Reveal JFK's Real Killers
in JFK Assassination Debate
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John Roselli, not Hunt.
Tosh: “We took-off before day break on November 21, 1963 expecting to arrive in Tampa about sunup. We were to pick up other personal at Tampa. One of these people was John Roselli, whom I knew.”