Cliff Varnell
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4 hours ago, Gil Jesus said:
According to the autopsy face sheet, the President's back wound measured 7x4 mm.
As a bullet enters the skin, tissue accelerates radially and is displaced centrifugally. The size of the entry wound is transiently larger than the caliber of the bullet, but typically the defect reversibly contracts to a diameter smaller than the cross-sectional area of the bullet due to the highly elastic properties of skin."
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9462949
In other words, the 7mm bullet hole in Kennedy's back was made by a bullet whose diameter was larger than 7mm ( 0.284 inches ). The 6.5mm bullet's diameter is only 0.264 inches., making it doubtful IMO, that the wound was created by 6.5 ammo.
As I've mentioned in my essay on the 7.65 Mauser, one of the two rifles brought into the Texas School Book Depository two days before the motorcade was a Mauser which had been converted to a 30.06. The diameter of 30.06 ammo is .308 inches, larger than 7mm and certainly capable of having made the wound.
Again, this is only my opinion based on the contracting of the skin from the wound's original size in comparison to the diameter of the ammunition.
Could this wound have been made by 30.06 ammunition ?
Do 30.06 rounds leave shallow wounds in soft tissue?
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3 hours ago, Cory Santos said:
Ok I think the food is clear. No one focused or mentioned the physical evidence. I want my food.
I opened a special savings account.
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2 hours ago, Michael Crane said:
The Melvin's didn't play any sludge metal.I kept on waiting to rock out.
Maybe they decided to play all new music on that night?
I seriously couldn't believe it.
Eclectic band.
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Cairns:
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This exploration does not intend to pinpoint the true perpetrators of President Kennedy's assassination, uncover the exact hideouts of the killers, unmask the orchestrators, or reveal those who facilitated the crime. As the late Mark Lane once succinctly put it, "That really calls for some speculation on my part, I think that area has been pre-empted by the Warren Commission, I prefer to stay in the area of fact." Honouring his words, this work strives not to speculate, but to illuminate the facts.
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Fact: JFK suffered an entrance wound in soft tissue at T3, no exit.
Fact: He had an entrance wound in the soft tissue of his throat, no exit.
Fact: No bullets were found in those wounds.
Fact: With the body in front of them, the autopsists formed a “general feeling” JFK was hit with a high tech round which dissolved. They asked the FBI men to investigate. Special Agent James Sibert called the FBI Lab to inquire. This was the First Investigation. It was short lived. Sibert was informed the single bullet was on the way to DC. Subject dropped.
Fact: The CIA employed blood soluble flechettes in the MKNAOMI program at Fort Detrick, Maryland.
Fact: Civilians employed at Fort Detrick briefed the FBI to look out for such technology in the hands of hostile foreign actors.
This is a hard lead drawing attention to potential perps in the JFKA, entirely based on facts. The only hard lead in the case.
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On 12/3/2023 at 10:32 AM, Roger Odisio said:
It's reason #26 and includes this: "To summarize, the jacket and shirt of President Kennedy effectively serve as evidence that exonerates Oswald in the case, especially the shirt since these were tailored."
Well, not exactly. It destroys the WR's story that Oswald, or anybody, was the lone shooter from the 6th floor murdering Kennedy. It doesn't prove Oswald wasn't one of the shooters from there. I think you have acknowledged that, haven't you, Cliff?
But there is voluminous other evidence to establish that.
Cairns' work is a gold mine.
The clothing makes a first appearance in #12: The Testimony Which Negates the Single Bullet Theory.
A better title: The Physical Evidence Which Negates the Single Bullet Theory.
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1 hour ago, Roger Odisio said:
It's reason #26 and includes this: "To summarize, the jacket and shirt of President Kennedy effectively serve as evidence that exonerates Oswald in the case, especially the shirt since these were tailored."
Well, not exactly. It destroys the WR's story that Oswald, or anybody, was the lone shooter from the 6th floor murdering Kennedy. It doesn't prove Oswald wasn't one of the shooters from there. I think you have acknowledged that, haven't you, Cliff?
But there is voluminous other evidence to establish that.
Cairns' work is a gold mine.
Good enough! The clothing evidence proves that JFK wasn’t shot in the back with a 6.5mm FMJ round, which counterfeits the official scenario.
All right, Cory, we’re on!
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IF one of the sixty reasons is the fact that the bullet holes in JFK’s clothes are too low to associate with his throat wound — I’m buying Cory Santos a beer and a brat at a Vegas A’s game.
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1 hour ago, Benjamin Cole said:
You know, you can tell the difference between amateurs, cranks and serious researchers in the JFKA, and probably most other serious endeavors too.
Serious people tell you what they don't know, and also when evidence is hearsay, or sketchy.
A researcher like Larry Hancock constantly counsels the reader on the limitations of the evidence at hand, and is circumspect in his findings. Jeff Morley, James DiEugenio, Tink Thompson and a few others fall into this category.
They routinely ignore the extant physical evidence — bullet defects in the clothes. Can’t take such incompetence seriously.
I give Larry a pass.
1 hour ago, Benjamin Cole said:Others make outlandish claims, with widening nets of hundreds of suspects, based on the flimsiest shards of "evidence" or even secret documents unavailable for review by the public.
Getting a lecture on outlandish claims from Ben Cole! Imagine that.
Can you imagine a shooter intentionally loading an under-charged round, hitting JFK in the back around Z190 with shallow penetration, to which JFK responded by balling his fists in front of his throat, and remaining mute and still for six seconds.
Did any witnesses report the early back shot? No. Did JFK arch his back in pain? No. Warn the others of the attack? No. Duck out of the way? No.
Have all the pet theories you want, Ben, but spare us the lectures on “serious” research.
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1 hour ago, Pat Speer said:
I saw them on a tour where they had Leif Garrett on vocals.
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2 hours ago, Michael Crane said:
Oh man,an old co-worker of mine won tickets on the radio to see the Melvins in Fresno this year and asked me if I wanted to go.I said sure,it's another concert under my belt.
Strange birds.
I have no idea if you are being sarcastic or not.
Not at all. The Melvins belong on that KNAC poster.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melvins
I saw them in 1990 in a bar on skid row in San Francisco. Tight band. Shirley Temple’s kid Lori Black on bass. A couple dozen people there. My kind of show!
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My list of the most over-rated bands finds GNR and Pearl Jam at the top, with U2, REM, and the Police in another category of bad (I can’t stand whiny vocals unless they’re in the Beastie Boys).
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8 hours ago, Cliff Varnell said:
Only omissions I can see are Venom, Nine Inch Nails and D.R.I.
Body Count, the Melvins and Neurosis.
Just say’n...
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On 11/24/2023 at 12:47 AM, Pete Mellor said:
A throat wound which wasn't investigated at Bethesda on instructions from the brass in the gallery. Which is why we have this procrastination today, but you're probably right.
Pete, on further review I have to challenge your “probably.”
The head shot(s) was/were too high to account for the damage at T1, the back wound too low.
That leaves the throat shot.
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On 11/25/2023 at 12:40 PM, Matt Allison said:
I also really wish these computer animations would be used to prove/disprove other locations in DP that are theorized to be sniper positions. All they ever show is the 6th floor window. The tech is ripe to be utilized for something beyond that.
I really wish these computer animations would use the T3 back wound as the point of entry. But I get it — T3 is obviously too low for the SBT, rendering the entire exercise moot, meaningless.
Can’t have that now, can we?
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4 hours ago, Michael Crane said:
I was so close to Lemmy that,I could have played his bass guitar.There was a promotional type tribute thingy to radio station 105.5 KNAC in Long Beach Los Angeles at the California Dreams night club in Anaheim.
105.5 KNAC was the loudest & proudest station in the nation & Motorhead played for $1.05 cents.You read that right.We seen Motorhead for one dollar and five cents.
There was absolutely no barriers in between the band and the audience.I was literally 2 feet away.
That was always a punk rock thing — no barriers between band and audience. We were all part of the show.
4 hours ago, Michael Crane said:No other station had the b*lls to play the metal that KNAC did back in 1986 to 1995.
I also seen them 2 more times in 1992 when they opened up for Metallica & Guns N Roses in LA at the Coliseum & then the next week at the Rose Bowl in Pasadena.
Only omissions I can see are Venom, Nine Inch Nails and D.R.I.
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1 hour ago, Benjamin Cole said:
One thing I never understood.
Almost the minute JFK was assassinated, the intel-military community dropped Cuba like a hot potato, and went gungho into Vietnam.
They were already gung-ho in Laos.
My bet is that Castro took the hint from the JFKA and started moving his Red Chinese donated heroin thru Geo. Bush’s Zapata Off-Shore.
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2 hours ago, Michael Crane said:
I loved me some 80's & 90's metal scene.
Yes,Thrash metal was popular at least in my eyes.
The last time that I mixed it up in the pit was Slayer,Suicidal Tendencies and Exodus in Oakland at the Fox Theater (2016?)
Gary Holt pulled a double duty that night playing with Exodus & Slayer.
Can’t forget the greatest band of all!
Motörhead.
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1 hour ago, Michael Crane said:
1985 with Cliff Burton.
Me and my crew loved Metallica in 1985. Slayer, Megadeth, Exodus. The hardcore scene tired out for a lot of us that year, so we started listening to metal and rap, RunDMC, Grandmaster Flash, LL Cool J, Schoolly D.
Was there ever as great a music decade as the 80’s?
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1 hour ago, Benjamin Cole said:
You assessment is incorrect; there are many Trump talking points I do not repeat.
Haven’t noticed.
1 hour ago, Benjamin Cole said:You conflate my skepticism of Donks with being "for" Trump or the GOP.
No Ben, you reliably repeat Trump talking points. I see you never criticize Trump for the fortunes he and his daughter made off the Chinese, the Saudis, and others — of which there is ample evidence — but you’ll repeat without proof every accusation against Biden. Hard partisan.
1 hour ago, Benjamin Cole said:You also conflate my belief that people are innocent until proven guilty in an open court of law with being "pro-Trump."
Not at all. I equate your baseless smears on Biden with being pro-Trump.
1 hour ago, Benjamin Cole said:I am also skeptical of the 'Phants, and Trump.
That’s your front, we get it.
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1 hour ago, Benjamin Cole said:
Like I said, I regard people as innocent until proven guilty in a court of law, before a jury of peers.
I regard you the same way.
You are innocent until a jury convicts you of crimes. Of course, it’s a smear to continue to insinuate that you’re a criminal. Right?
1 hour ago, Benjamin Cole said:As of now, I regard the Biden family as innocent of taking bribes.
As you point out, the WaPo did not find Joe Biden personally benefitted from the $4.8 million in China-CCP money that went to the Biden family.
However, the WaPo does not have subpoena powers, cannot review bank records, smartphone texts, emails, or require to people to testify in court or in depositions, while under oath.
Trump appointed Special Counsel David Weiss has investigated the Bidens for five years and came up with nothing on Joe.
Not good enough for you to drop your smears, I guess.
1 hour ago, Benjamin Cole said:Some even suspect the WaPo is closely aligned with the D-Party and Deep State elements.
One might surmise that Donk office holder surviving a WaPo "investigation"...well, draw your own conclusions.
BTW, I am not partisan, at least not in the American sense. I have washed my hands of both major political parties.
You never met a Trump talking point you couldn’t repeat...endlessly.
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1 hour ago, Benjamin Cole said:
Matt-
Oh come.
Even the WaPo and South China Morning Post have printed that the Biden family accepted $4.8 million from China-based entities linked to the CCP, and that Hunter Biden cleared $4 million from a Ukrainian energy company.
“The Post did not find evidence that Joe Biden personally benefited from or knew details about the transactions with CEFC, which took place after he had left the vice presidency and before he announced his intentions to run for the White House in 2020.”
1 hour ago, Benjamin Cole said:Were these large sums of money outright bribery?
Is that question intellectually honest?
1 hour ago, Benjamin Cole said:That has to be determined in a court of law, judged by peers.
A court of law for what?
Asinine baseless partisan accusations, at which you excel?
1 hour ago, Benjamin Cole said:Trump paid more tax money to the Chinese in 2017 than to the US gov’t.
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2 hours ago, Evan Marshall said:
And heat of the powder burning and the friction of the ice bullet would not melt it or distable it? I started being published in the gun and police mags in 1973 and have written three books on wound ballistics and I've never seen an ice bullet though I've handled and shot a number classified ammunition offerings.
Unless you worked for the CIA or US Army Special Forces why would you ever see a blood soluble round?
It’s not like such technology didn’t exist.
http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/church/reports/vol1/pdf/ChurchV1_6_Senseney.pdf
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Michael Vosse told a couple of Manson adjacent stories. At A&M one day he walked into his boss David Anderle’s office and found Phil Kaufman pitching a band, some friends of his. Kaufman was the roadie for the Flying Burrito Brothers; Michael got them signed to A&M. Vosse and Kaufman didn’t like each other. Michael listened for no more than a minute and walked out. Lame folk music. Lame band photo.
The Family.
Michael never met Manson, but he was acquainted with Bobby Beausoleil. The last time he saw Bobby was about a year before Bobby whacked Gary Hinman, which precipitated the T.-L. murders. Bobby showed up at Michael’s and asked if he and a friend could crash there for the night. Michael was okay with Bobby, but the friend put off heavy, dangerous vibes. Michael, a short, slight guy, was wary, but agreed.
In those days Bobby was hanging out with Kenneth Anger and Anton LeVay —Satanists. Satanists take themselves very seriously. That comes from regarding one’s own free will as the highest power.
The stay was uneventful and the next morning they split. I’ve seen references to Bobby’s nickname — “Cupid.” Michael said on Sunset his nickname was “Bummer Bob.”
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My old school memoir.
Our enduring legacy: an extensive impact on the lexicon, the suffix “-core”.
https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/-core
Could the back wound have been caused by a 30.06 ?
in JFK Assassination Debate
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SSA Glen Bennett described the back shot occurring right before the head shot(s). So an undercharged round had to travel 90 yards thru swirling wind losing little elevation. I’ve yet to see any proof that was possible.