Chris Davidson

2 hours ago, John Butler said:

Let’s begin the next part of this discussion with a simple problem.  What happened to the group of 5 women seen in the Elsie Dorman film and not seen in the Zapruder film.  They are not there on the first pass through this area but are there on the second pass through during the film.  Who are they and why are they missing in Zapruder? 

 

This information is provided from their FBI testimony taken on the 22^nd or at a later date. 

1. Judy Johnson

2. Delores Kounas (Mrs. George Andrew)

3. Sharon Nelson

4. Roberta Parker

5. Betty Dragoo

6. And, one man:  Lloyd Viles, McGraw-Hill employee, mystery man

Because of this witness testimony confliction one cannot be sure that this group is for real or not.  For whatever reason they are not in the Zapruder film and should be.

The next problem concerns those running girls, the Willis girls.  Once again what we see in Elsie Dorman is not what we see in Zapruder.  We see them running in reverse order without their mom and dad on the SW corner.

Here is a good Dorman frame that shows that.

Linda is running before Rosemary as they round the curve of the reflecting pool.  Linda has a camera in her hands.  They run pass the two women on the left.  We will see this in the next frame.

Linda is still in the lead.  She does not stop on the grass and shout at her sister or take a picture with her camera.

What do we see in the Zapruder film?  Here is Z frame 136 again.  It was chosen over Z frames for clarity purposes.

We can see several different things here.  Linda has stopped her run as Rosemary has continued.  Linda, with her hands raised, is said to be calling her sister.  Actually, she is taking a picture.  (She’s a better candidate for the Willis Slides than her father, Phillip)  In earlier frames she has a camera with her.  This may be a second or two after passing the woman in blue and her companion shown in the Dorman film.

There appears to be a problem with the location of the woman in the blue raincoat.  In Dorman she appears much closer to the steps on the other side of the reflecting pool than is shown here in Zapruder. 

Her dad, Phillip Willis is in the picture but, not in Dorman.  Robert Croft is in the Z frame but, not in Dorman.

Which is the real version?  Can you tell me?  The photo editors of the Zapruder film were arrogant, contemptuous, and totally dismissive of their viewing audience.  They knew with perfect certainty no one would ever figure out what they did on the SW corner of Elm and Houston.

John,

I believe the lady you are referring to as Linda Willis in the Z film is incorrect.

Linda Willis appears to be in a light blue top with a dark blue skirt on. 

Check the Bell and Dorman films for her clothing match.

The woman in the red box (gif) is a better match for her.

chris

11 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

Thanks Chris. Awesome work!

Do you actually have to manually move each frame?

 

Sandy,

Sometimes.

If I feel Photoshop didn't do a good enough job, I will re-align some/all of the frames/layers manually.

chris

11 hours ago, Alistair Briggs said:

Cheers Chris, much appreciated.

Quick question for you, what kind of 'loss' in quality would result in say just opening a gif to extract a frame from it?

Regards

Alistair,

In this instance, I'll let you be the judge of that. 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwrExtVD005ONDdiOU5PQUVUa1E/view?usp=sharing

The original gif had the angled side (red arrow) created by the stabilization process via Photoshop.

chris

18 minutes ago, Alistair Briggs said:

Righteo, fair enough...

... are you interested in seeing any of the 'unblurry' frames?

Alistair,

All frames were extracted from "JFK" the movie, Blu-Ray version by Robin Unger.

He then uploaded them at some point for a limited time, so others could copy/acquire them.

Here are a few:

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwrExtVD005OTnVnS3l3ZWtjLTQ/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwrExtVD005OWXFfdzZOaXlNTWs/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwrExtVD005OeWVyVmVKMkVyaUk/view?usp=sharing

Stabilized gifs for archiving, if interested.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwrExtVD005ONnV4V2hNeHB1QVk/view?usp=sharing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwrExtVD005OeGxPSk1CcGpuVEE/view?usp=sharing

A closer look.

Enlarged it too much. 

Lost the detail in the lady's face/head who's turning/sidestepping at the left corner wall.

Mentally turned it into an arm sliding up the wall.

Sorry about that.

chris

6 hours ago, Chris Davidson said:

At first glance, it would appear that part of the possible Lovelady shirt is white.

But, if you look at this gif, there is an arm (along the wall at left) moving upward.

That person appears to be between the possible Lovelady and the woman in black.

I believe what looks like a partial white shirt in the possible Lovelady, is actually part of the sandwiched woman.

In the very last gif frame or frame above, look just below possible Lovelady's chin, and you'll see more white appearing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwrExtVD005OenRaTG5Sbl83b0U/view?usp=sharing

 

At first glance, it would appear that part of the possible Lovelady shirt is white.

But, if you look at this gif, there is an arm (along the wall at left) moving upward.

That person appears to be between the possible Lovelady and the woman in black.

I believe what looks like a partial white shirt in the possible Lovelady, is actually part of the sandwiched woman.

In the very last gif frame or frame above, look just below possible Lovelady's chin, and you'll see more white appearing

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwrExtVD005OenRaTG5Sbl83b0U/view?usp=sharing

Sometimes, it's better to remove the cra-py frames than slow it down.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwrExtVD005OMnBfWUV6UHFDMXc/view?usp=sharing

Minus some of the cra-pier frames.

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwrExtVD005OTEZKSjRpQ0FmOTg/view?usp=sharing

4 hours ago, Ray Mitcham said:

That's because none on the shots of Chris show the East Elm Street buildings at full zoom as Zapruder did.

Full zoom.

Or, someone could take the original I posted, and align the sprocket holes and frame and find it's been done.

On 1/24/2017 at 1:31 AM, Alistair Briggs said:

 

How long after Shelley/Lovelady left the steps did they turn and see Baker/Truly?

Here is Sandy's timeline from his first post in this thread...

 

Query: Is "04:30  Shelley & Lovelady leave island, fast-walk toward railroad yard. After first 15 to 25 steps, Lovelady looks back and sees Truly & Baker enter the TSBD. (There are 75 to 100 yards to railroad yard.)" a 'fair time' to put on it. That is to say, is 1:30 a 'fair' time after their leaving the steps for Truly & Baker to enter the TSBD?

From Shelley's WC testimony;

Mr. BALL - Did you see Truly, Mr. Truly and an officer go into the building?
Mr. SHELLEY - Yeah, we saw them right at the front of the building while we were on the island.
Mr. BALL - While you were out there before you walked to the railroad yards?
Mr. SHELLEY - Yes.
Mr. BALL - Do you have any idea how long it was from the time you heard those three sounds or three noises until you saw Truly and Baker going into the building?
Mr. SHELLEY - It would have to be 3 or 4 minutes

From Lovelady's WC testimony;

Mr. BALL - By the time you left the steps had Mr. Truly entered the building?
Mr. LOVELADY - As we left the steps I would say we were at least 15. maybe 25. steps away from the building. I looked back and I saw him and the policeman running into the building.

Note: Shelley says they were on the island when they looked back to see Truly and Baker going in to the building, 3 or 4 minutes after the shots.
Note: Lovelady at no point says they were on the island, he does say, earlier in his WC testimony, and I quote, "we run towards that little, old island and kind of down there in that little street".
Note: Lovelady says they were (maybe) 25 steps away from the building when he looked back and saw Truly and Baker run in to the building.

Query: How long would 25 steps take? Average time to walk 100 metres = 1 minute. Average step length = 2.6ft (31 inches). 2.6ft * 25 steps = distance of 65ft, converted to metres = 19.812. - round up to 20 (for ease of calculation) Average time to walk 20 metres = 12 seconds. Too soon? Perhaps he walked slower, or perhaps he walked further...  reasonable time to put it at (especially for ease of calculation) 25 steps; 1 step per second; round up to nearest full number = 30 seconds! Reasonable and practical inference of time.

Aside note (personal opinion - text hidden because of that):( Wouldn't surprise me if Sandy made the claim that I was 'putting words in to Lovelady's mouth' at this point, ironically by his own timeline he has Lovelady on the island (which Lovelady never said) and also has Lovelady seeing Truly/Baker enter the building 90 seconds after leaving the steps, whilst Lovelady actually said that he had only gone (maximum) of 25 steps away from the building after leaving the steps before seeing Truly/Baker enter the building - taking 90 seconds to walk 25 steps does not commute. )

Conclusion: Seeing Baker/Truly enter the building 04:30 after the shots is 30 seconds more than Shelley's top estimate, and is (arguably) (at a mininum) one minute more than what Lovelady said. Reasonable time to put the incident at? Proposal: 30 seconds after they left the steps.

Timeline:

12:30:00 shots
12:33:00 Shelley/Lovelady leave steps
12:33:30 Truly/Baker 'enter' TSBD

Sandy, at this point do you accept, for the purposes of moving the discussion forward, that 'proposal' on the time?

Regards

Pretend these two gentlemen are Lovelady and Shelley after hearing the last shot.

The recreation was shot with a 16mm camera (24fps) by Underwood.

The two gentlemen on the stairs are approx two seconds apart, so someone starting at the landing, walking down the stairs and someone near the middle step will end up approx where you see them after (86 progressive frames/5.6seconds). 

How far West would they end up in 20-30 seconds?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwrExtVD005OWlo5Q3FxdDRaU1U/view?usp=sharing

Once again,

Here's an easier choice for you.

All shot from a B/H 414

On 1/22/2017 at 10:14 PM, Chris Davidson said:

Really, would you care to elaborate on this?

 

On 1/22/2017 at 4:57 PM, Michael Walton said:

Further, Z had his lens, which I'm sure was good for the time but not great, set at the widest angle so when we "zoom in" on the Z film you're going to see a closer close up of the footage but you're also going to see dark and light "blobs" and the graininess more.

I

As asked previously,

Michael,

Could you elaborate on how you came to the conclusion that the extant film was shot on the wide-angle setting?

5 hours ago, Bill Miller said:

The President was not driven forward with the head shot and Connally didn't fall backwards - Nellie reached out and pulled him back towards her. Those things are mis-interpretations that Rather made.

Bill,

The extant film does show JFK driven forward. 

Head and shoulders.

The angle to JFK's head via the rifle at z207 is listed as 21deg50min when converted = 21.83degrees.

25degrees per Kurtz - 21.83 degrees = 3.17 degrees

Since the TSBD floors appear to be some 10ft in elevation difference, I do believe that Frazier's .56ft lead entry, not only means a horizontal adjustment, but quite frankly, a vertical adjustment as well.

Primarily, when one reads about Dr Shaw via Kurtz.

This all fits neatly into "two-two shots in one". Reminds one of that old certs breath mint commercial.

On 1/17/2017 at 8:19 AM, Chris Davidson said:

52.78"- 39.24"=13.54"-10"= 3.54"/12"= .295ft x 18.3ft = 5.3985ft - .9ft = 4.4985ft / 5 frames = .8997ft per frame x 18.3fps = 16.46451ft per sec / 1.47ft (1mph) = 11.200 mph

Mr. SPECTER. Were you able to ascertain the speed of the Presidential limousine at the time of the assassination? 
Mr. SHANEYFELT. Yes; because we were able to determine the speed of the camera, and thereby accurately determine the length of time it takes for a specific number of frames to run through the camera at this 18.3 frames per second, and having located these frame positions in the street, we took the farthest distance point we had in the Zapruder film which was frame 161 through frame 313. 
This was found to run elapsed time from the film standpoint which runs at 18.3 frames a second, runs for a total of 8.3 seconds. 
This distance is 136.1 feet, and this can be calculated then to 11.2 miles per hour. 
Mr. SPECTER. Is that a constant average speed or does that speed reflect any variations in the movement of the car? 
Mr. SHANEYFELT. That is the overall average from 161 to 313. It does not mean that it was traveling constantly at 11.2, because it was more than likely going faster in some areas and slightly slower in some areas. It is only an average speed over the entire run.

Shaneyfelt uses a different method of determining averages than I do.

The 39.24 inches in the above equation = 3.27ft = the bs elevation adjustment used for JFK's head above pavement throughout CE884.

At z207, per CE884, a change of 3.27ft vertical = a 1 degree angle change.

Since Frazier gives us a bs lead height of .56ft at z207 per CE560, this comes to mind:

.56ft x 18.3 =.10.248ft horizontal 

10.248ft/3.27ft = 3.133 degrees 

The slope of Elm St was determined to be 3degrees 8minutes per the final WC plat of May 1964, = 3.133.. degrees

btw David,

Extant z plotted between z161-z168 = 13.44mph average = 1.08ft per frame

Since the plotting of Station# 3+29.2 = z161 and z168 in two separate CE884’s supplied, I think it would be reasonable to look for another area on CE884 where a six/seven frame spread at approx. the same speed would provide a total elevation change result.

For instance:

Z249-z255 = 6frames with an elevation change of .33ft and 6.4ft traveled = 13.28mph, close to 13.44.

.33ft x 12” = 3.96inches

Or, just refer back to the previous posting equation of .295ft and add the elev of .05ft from z161-z166 = .345ft = 4.14inches

TREASURY DEPARTMENT

UNlTED STATES SECRET SERVICE

FIELD FORCE

Protective Assignment of S/A Bennett on 11122/63

at Dallas, Texas

Air Force Two landed at Love Field, Dallas, Texas at 11:35 A.M. Upon deplaning, I covered the fence and press areas. The President's plane arrived at approximately 11 :38 A.M. I stayed with the President and First Lady during the time they greeted the crowd on the apron and along the fence. The greeting lasted for about 10 minutes and the President/First Lady entered their car and the motorcade planned to depart. I asked while moving towards the follow-up car what position I should take, Mr. Roberts informed me that I should take the right rear seat of the follow-up. I took this position and held it during the entire motorcade. I left this rear seat position at one point in the trip to assist in getting well-wishers away from the President's auto. About thirty minutes after leaving Love Field about 12:25 P.M., the Motorcade entered an intersection and then proceeded down a grade. At this point the well-wishers numbered but a few; the motorcade continued down this grade enroute to the Trade Mart. At this point I heard what_sounded like a fire-cracker. I immediately looked from the right/crowd/physical area/and looked towards the President who was seated in the right rear seat of his limousine open convertible. At the moment I looked at the back of the President I heard another fire-cracker noise and saw the shot hit the President about four inches down from the right shoulder. A second shot followed immediately and hit the right rear high of the President's head. I immediately hollered "he's hit'' and reached for the AR-15 located on the floor of the rear seat. Special Agent Hickey had already picked-up the AR-I5. We peered towards the rear and particularly the right side of the area. I had drawn my revolver when I saw S/A Hickey had the AR15. I was unable to see anything or one that could have fired the shots. The President's car immediately kicked into high gear and the follow-up car followed.

The President's auto and the follow-up proceeded to the Parkland Hospital. Upon arriving at the hospital's parking lot, I was instructed by ASAIC Roberts to stay with the Vice-President who had followed us into the parking lot. I immediately went to the Vice-President's auto and accompanied him to a room on the ground floor of the hospital. I then continued with the Vice-President back to Washington, D.C. where I was relieved.

[signature]

Glen A. Bennett

Special Agent

11-23-63

On 1/22/2017 at 10:14 PM, Chris Davidson said:

Really, would you care to elaborate on this?

 

For those that would like to see a comparison.

5 hours ago, Michael Walton said:

Further, Z had his lens, which I'm sure was good for the time but not great, set at the widest angle so when we "zoom in" on the Z film you're going to see a closer close up of the footage but you're also going to see dark and light "blobs" and the graininess more.

But no - the crazies have just got to think it's more - the painted in frames and all of the other ridiculous nonsense.

Really, would you care to elaborate on this?

The time it takes for Wiegman panning back to the TSBD after the 313 head shot, until the Hester sync = 21seconds.

Bell films Wiegman filming the Hesters. The sync point between Bell and Wiegman is Hester stepping up onto the Colonade.

Bell continuously films afterwards for 1.3 seconds and  picks up Wiegman starting to rise for his  run down the knoll.

Gerda’s dual-sync of Couch/Darnell shows both Wiegman and Baker in there respective runs.

There is 3.5 seconds of missing footage from the Wiegman sequence.

Take those 3.5 seconds and apply that to Wiegman after we see him start to rise in Bell and to

Baker before we see him in Gerda’s dual-sync.

Baker’s run to the curb equals 4 seconds.

This total = approx 30 seconds.

Which path to use?  hmmm!!!

https://drive.google.com/file/d/0BwrExtVD005OSUtQNjhDeUxjbUU/view?usp=sharing

52.78"- 39.24"=13.54"-10"= 3.54"/12"= .295ft x 18.3ft = 5.3985ft - .9ft = 4.4985ft / 5 frames = .8997ft per frame x 18.3fps = 16.46451ft per sec / 1.47ft (1mph) = 11.200 mph

Mr. SPECTER. Were you able to ascertain the speed of the Presidential limousine at the time of the assassination? 
Mr. SHANEYFELT. Yes; because we were able to determine the speed of the camera, and thereby accurately determine the length of time it takes for a specific number of frames to run through the camera at this 18.3 frames per second, and having located these frame positions in the street, we took the farthest distance point we had in the Zapruder film which was frame 161 through frame 313. 
This was found to run elapsed time from the film standpoint which runs at 18.3 frames a second, runs for a total of 8.3 seconds. 
This distance is 136.1 feet, and this can be calculated then to 11.2 miles per hour. 
Mr. SPECTER. Is that a constant average speed or does that speed reflect any variations in the movement of the car? 
Mr. SHANEYFELT. That is the overall average from 161 to 313. It does not mean that it was traveling constantly at 11.2, because it was more than likely going faster in some areas and slightly slower in some areas. It is only an average speed over the entire run.

Shaneyfelt uses a different method of determining averages than I do.

9 hours ago, Chris Davidson said:

It's always a pleasure to provide supporting documentation from the WC that has them stepping on their collective -------s.

Still stepping.

http://i140.photobucket.com/albums/r25/123steamn/207 ballistics.jp

On 1/11/2017 at 3:32 PM, David Josephs said:

On ce535 - a version which is readable directly from WEST - we see the location marked for Shot #1 as the same as was found in Dec for the SS and Feb for the FBI: 3+81.3 @ elevation 423.07.   When the shamefully admitted ce884 was finally uncovered, this changes to 3+71.1 at elevation 423.75.    a Difference of 10.2 feet

Elevation 423.07' - 423.75' = .68'   .68' x 18.3' = 12.44'  = the distance between these two spots is 12.44' - 10.2' = 2.24 feet further than ce884 suggests.
2.24' is the distance between 207-208 on the first ce884 (yellow).  This equated to the limo moving at almost 30mph for those 2 frames then slowing down to around 11mph in the next frame.  In the white version, 208 is changed to 210 slowing that speed from 30mph to just under 10mph - much more acceptable and realistic... but moving the same physical location to a different frame means we lose the 2.24' and wind up with a 423.75' elevation @ station 3+81.3.

To move from 3+71.1 to 3+81.3 the elevation would no longer be 423.07 but is 10.2'/18.3' = .56' vertically lower than 3+81.3
Elev 423.75' - .56' = Elev 423.19 = 10.2 feet down Elm from 3+71.1 = 3+81.3

So, other than not wanting to show all the shots fired, but only 3 until May 1964, then 2 after that...  do the conflicts in the evidence for shot #1 point to something else other than hiding 2 real shots too close together to be possible from one shooter?

 

 

It's always a pleasure to provide supporting documentation from the WC that has them stepping on their collective -------s.