Wim Dankbaar

Okay, Mark Valenti, you may have the last word. You won anyway. I'm still dizzy from the knock-out. Bye now. Wim

Avoiding the question, Mark? Tough one, not? "If you can't answer honestly, don't answer, but ignore." http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&c2co...oeken&meta= http://www.google.nl/search?hl=nl&c2co...oeken&meta= Need I say more? Wim PS: "The shadows question will have to wait until November 22, 2007. See you in Dallas." So you need to be in Dallas to determine that shadows grow longer after noon? What school did you go to, if any?

Valenti, you're a prime and fine example of a discreditor. Thanks for showing. I wonder: Is there any relation with Jack Valenti? In addition to your "general direction" of the shadows, why don't you deny some more facts: Are the shadows in the tramp photos longer than at the time of the shooting? Yes or no? Wim

Playing dumb and lies is the only game you can hold onto now. I wonder who's buying it. "He also seemed more than happy to tell his story to anyone with a camera or a potential book deal." What would you know about this, Mr Valenti? Are you the expert on Holt now? Or are you just quoting hearsay that is convenient for you? What camera interviews and/or bookdeals can you name of Chauncey since he came forward and untill he died? You call me a dick? What should I call you? I can't choose from the words that come to mind. Wim

I'm the dick now? While you're suggesting that Chauncey told his story to make a buck? Here it is still clearer: See these pictures at the time of shooting. They all have shadows more parallel with a north south direction. That is more in line with Houston street than with Main street. The shadows make an angle of about 20-30 degrees with Houston street . Or you could also say 70 - 60 degrees with Main Street. Now look at the tramps pictures below. The shadows make an angle of about 45 to 60 degrees with Houston street . Or you could also say 45 - 30 degrees with Main Street. This means that the sun has turned some 20-25 degrees, putting the time at around 2 PM, as Chauncey said.

CE 399 was not a bullet fired on 11/22/1963. It was shot with a Mannlicher Carcano into soft material like water or cotton wadding before 11/22/1963 These bullets were meant to reload in higher caliber cartridges to be fired from higher powered rifles. Some of these bullets were used that day, but not this one. When found they would trace back to a Mannlicher Carcano. John Masen knows all about this. Someone, maybe Jack Ruby placed one of those surplus bullets on the stretcher of Kennedy (not Connally), which is logical, because at that time no one had herad of the "single bullet" that ended up in Connally. Wim

There you go: Look at this picture which was taken right after the shooting: Now look at this picture of the tramps and see how much the shadows have turned, which is exactly conistent with the time ( 2 PM) that Chauncey says he was taken from the boxcar (not an open flatbed gondola by the way)

Test for Mr. Valenti: Is this a black circle or a square?

Then look again. On the first picture the shadows are pointing northeast (sun = south west) in more or less a 45 degree angle with the front of the Book Depository. If you don't see it, use the the lines of the pavement tiles as a reference. The angle with those is also 45 degrees. On the tramps picture the shadows have turned some 20 degrees to the east (sun has moved west), almost paralel with the front of the Book Depository, indicating that some 1.5 hours have past between the two pictures. 15 degrees of 360 = 1 hour, as the sun uses 24 hours to turn 360 degrees, that''s just the undisputable law of physics and nature. But then again, if it's about the Kennedy assassination, there will be people who dispute even those. Wim

Larry, About the "time stamp": The shadows are absolute and irrefutable proof that Chauncey's testimony about being the tramp in the photographs is correct, and likewise aboslute and irrefutable proof that Doyle, Gedney and Abrams, were NOT the tramps in the photographs. Chauncey Holt: We were in the box car a long time. Actually we heard a lot of transmissions. I estimated that it was almost 2 O'clock, although my watch was still on Arizona time. I had a bad habit of not changing my watch. So I think we stayed in there till practically 2 O'clock. We were still in there during the time when we heard the transmissions involving Tippit and back and forth. We heard a lot of other communications. We heard the call that an officer had been dying. I am told and I believe it was somewhere around 1:15 when we heard about the incident at the Texas theater, although we didn't know what happened. So, this means that Chauncey was detained around 2 PM or after. Now, look here what Doyle said to the FBI: http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Senat...0151-10221.html They asked one of the employees at the railroad yard if Kennedy had been shot, and the railroad man confirmed this. They then got an a gondola, also known as a coal car and were heading towards Ft. Worth when the train stopped. After the train stopped they were confronted by numerous police officers who informed them not to move or they would be shot. All three were arrested and brought to the Dallas Police Department where they were interrogated regarding the Kennedy assassination..... Hence this is right after the shooting, around 12:30 or 12:35. Look at this picture which was taken around that same time, right after the shooting: Now look at this picture of the tramps and see how much the shadows have turned, which is exactly conistent with the time ( 2 PM) that Chauncey says he was taken from the boxcar (not an open flatbed gondola by the way)

http://www.walterlippmann.com/docs1085.html ORIGINAL http://www.miami.com/mld/elnuevo/news/opinion/16492713.htm The punishment of Posada Carriles ORLANDO BOSCH Legal maneuvers against Luis Posada Carriles once again reaffirm that the great powers have no friends and only serve their own interests. I refer to this because, according to El Nuevo Herald, last January 12, the United States government presented 5 charges that expressed that "liberation of the prisoner" would cause serious implications in terms of foreign policy", referring to Luis Posada Carriles, leading me to ask: Since when do the United States district attorneys think of international reactions on cases they hear? Or isn't there a division of powers in this country that makes sure the Executive cannot meddle in the prerogatives of other public powers? Posada Carriles is charged with having given false testimony regarding his entry into this country, not in the least relevant are the services Luis has given to this great nation during the Cold War. Posada Carriles risked his life many times, not only fighting communism in Cuba but also fighting for democracy in other parts of the world, particularly in Venezuela. He was a close collaborator of the Central Intelligence Agency and honorably served the United States Armed Forces. All this reminds me that when I returned to the United States after having spent eleven years imprisoned in Venezuela, having been tried in that country by military and civilian courts and absolved of the charges against me, I was sent to a U.S. federal prison under the absurd and ridiculous charges of representing "a danger to national security". I was in that prison for 29 months and was freed not because they became aware of the enormous injustice, but because of the widespread and constant solidarity of my compatriots and brothers from other countries letting it be known in one way or another that they rejected what the government was doing to me. We all know the many cases in which the United States government has acted in favor of democracy, such as the sons of this great nation who give their lives for the freedom of other peoples. That is why, for me, it is a great cowardice for this country, with such a rich history in the fight for freedom and human rights, to violate the rights and to attempt to distort the dignity of Luis Posada Carriles and other Cuban patriots because they are committed to fight for the freedom of their country. This great nation should not fear the reactions of the Cuban dictatorship nor the arrogance of Hugo Chavez. Both governments are enemies of freedom and rights and this country, if it is going to be allied to the democrats, should not go about with hypocrisy. They should not repeat the treason of the Bay of Pigs nor the cowardly retreat from Saigon. When you act with justice, the dogs of hell bark and the United States should not fear this, much less the government of President George W. Bush who decided to go to war in Asia to free a people. We know that the regimes of Cuba and Venezuela are going to make a fuss and fiercely criticize the liberation of Luis, and dropping the charges against his compatriots. But when the truth is on your side you have to act although the wolves howl and the hyenas growl in fury. President of the Partido Protagonista del Pueblo

John (or anyone), Have you run into any of these names, connected to JMWave? Larry Downs, Tom Franklin, Philip Custer (don't know if the spelling is correct, but that's how they are pronounced) Reportedly "high level" CIA men there. Wim

The fact that you're trying to joke about this, and ridicule Chauncey's effort, is simply repulsive to me. It stems from a desire to discredit, without being serious to take in the whole story. As I said before, I think you're an underhanded weasel, wasting my time. I do not know if Chauncey told Lois about the nosebleed and the cotton, nor do I care or think it's important. What matters, is that the pictures show exactly what Chauncey said, namely that he tried to hide behind the others and drew a distorted face. Just prior to the time we were “detained” in Dallas, I had suffered a nose bleed and had stuffed my nostrils with cotton. This distorted my features to a certain extent. My face was further distorted—deliberately—by placing tissue paper un- der my upper lip. When the photographs were being taken, I attempted to con- ceal myself behind Harrelson or Montoya, who actually changed places once. The difference in the demeanors of Harrelson and Montoya was evident to me. Montoya was noticeably apprehensive and hustled along, while Harrelson seemed almost to be amused and moved in a leisurely manner. Twice I was successful in avoiding the cameras. On one occasion I purposely distorted my face so that I would not be recognizable in the photographs. The last thing in the world that a criminal—and this includes contract agents for the govern- ment—wants is to have his photograph taken, much less in compromising situations. This was drilled into me by Meyer Lanksy during the days of Bugsy Siegel and Mickey Cohen, two ostentatious, publicity-hungry thugs who were both criticized derisively by Lansky. Al Capone was another gangster who was pointed out as an example. On the other hand, Lansky always admired Johnny Torrio, pointing out that everyone had heard of Big Al but the public was barely aware of Johnny Torrio. To be successful in crime—according to Lansky—the criminal must be as invisible as the wallpaper. That is why Lansky drove a Chevrolet and bought his clothes from the rack. Here's some feedback from Joel Skousen, obviously of more value: Yes, it is very credible--especially because he only testifies about things that he would reliably know about. When supposed "insiders" try to claim they know the whole conspiracy plan from A-Z, I discount them. Nobody at the operational level ever knows the big picture. This stuff is great.

Sorry Uwe, you wasted my respect finally and definitely. Wim

Larry, I am not saying at all that Bowers saw one or more of the tramps that were photographed (which were Holt, Harrelson and Rogers). In fact I think that's unlikely. Because the photographed tramps were detained much later and after 2 PM, as can be determined from the shadows, plus the lack of people still on Dealey Plaza. Watch and read this: http://jfkmurdersolved.com/film/posada.wmv ************************** Revenge Threats Thicken Posada Plot Havana, Jan 24 (Prensa Latina) The notorious terrorists Luis Posada Carriles and Orlando Bosch are passing the bill for compensations of services to the US government and intelligence community. Posada Carriles, a protegee of the US for many years, seems upset after criticism from Cuba, Venezuela and regional organizations forced him to go to trial, even for petty crimes. There is no mention of his murderous record, including the 1976 mid-flight blast of a Cuban commercial plane with 73 people aboard, the bombing of hotels in Havana or the torture and murder cases in Venezuela, and he dared to plead "not guilty" to emigration violations. The Nuevo Herald of Miami said his business partner, terrorist Orlando Bosch, wants to get in on the action, with hints of threats to "friends" in the government. Bosch lashed at the Administration for trying Posada and recalled their important services to the CIA and contribution to US plans against Cuba and other Latin American countries. Bosch threatened to expose some secrets if their peaceful lives are disturbed, which explains their current status, the US refusals to extradite Posada to Venezuela or try him as an international terrorist. ln emw jrr mf PL-17

Well Uwe, doubtful Thomas, you have a comic way of judging things too. You might want to check with Joel Skousen, who is probably not as good as you on judging the evidence. http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKseal.htm (7) Joel Skousen, The Good Old Boy Network (26th May, 2006) This is an amplification of the workings of Group Four--the corrupt law enforcement boys that do the dirty work for the controllers. They constitute what are referred to as the “black” sectors of our own government, and are linked to a larger sector of the organized criminal world. This is one reason why the FBI maintains so many underworld contacts. It’s not just for utilitarian purposes of tracking the underworld. They assist each other in numerous covert activities. Each of the Federal Services (FBI, CIA, ATF, INS, Secret Service, etc.) have many good and patriotic people working for them. The good guys are the regular, naive, “want to serve my country” types who are assigned the legitimate tasks of government enforcement. Virtually every agency head knows about the black side of his organization. No one is allowed to run these agencies unless he can be trusted to execute the special orders that come down via discrete private channels. Upper level managers who are part of the conspiracy are always watching and judging both the above ground side and the covert “black” side to see who can be trusted to do corrupt work or who has to be removed. They look for signs of unprincipled behavior in those they invite to do the “dirty tricks” stuff. These guys carouse, they cheat regularly on their wives, and in short, don’t have any scruples about doing any job for money or future advancement. These are carefully cultivated and tested with a variety of semi-legal activities to make sure they don’t have much of a conscience. Once they enter the “black” underground, they enter the world of covert operations--but not just ordinary covert operations (because there are both legitimate and criminal types of operations performed by the same agency). I do not have the space in this book to detail all the evidence for this, but I will tell you this: 1. The CIA runs a worldwide drug distribution net, to finance this black underground series of operations. Kun San, the infamous drug warlord of the Iron triangle testified of this openly--that his major client was the CIA and he could name names. Barry Seal was killed after revealing his involvement in flying cargo planes loaded with drugs for the CIA into the famous Mena Arkansas 10,000 foot rural runway (during Governor Clinton’s term). 2. The FBI regularly assists and covers up for numerous illicit government operations. Occasionally, critical evidence is falsified in their now discredited forensics labs in order to alter the outcomes of certain investigations. The FBI played a major role in the cover-up of the JFK assassination, the Waco attack, the Oklahoma City Bombing, and the Vince Foster murder. 3. CIA and Secret Service agents who were part of the “black” underground side, pulled off the assassination of John F. Kennedy, Bobby Kennedy and Martin Luther King, to make them martyrs for a much larger political purpose. The killers may not have known the purpose, but those who gave the orders did. John F. Kennedy was, in my opinion, the first president to be elected who actually knew that he was put into power by this powerful underground group. He was only a second level person himself however, and quite disposable, as we later found out. JFK was taken out by the very same leaders who put him in. The job was carried out by a select group of dirty tricks boys from the CIA, Secret Service, and FBI. This was the world’s first good look at the workings of the conspiracy. They made a lot of sloppy mistakes, and got away with it for only one reason--they had enough control over the media, members of the Supreme Court, Congress, and a host of others that they could cover up almost anything. Their errors were huge and needed multiple cover-ups. Watching how they did it told me a lot about how extensive their powers are. Before I go into some details, let me backtrack and show how this gang of government hit-men operates in various parts of the federal security forces.

Seems you missed your calling as a comedian. Wim

And another one from a respected journalist ........... Dynamite evidence. Very credible. Thanks for sending

Funny, Morales, Giancana, Roselli ... who's the guy bottom left? Wim

First satisfied customer http://jfkmurdersolved.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=428 MAJOR EVENT I just viewed Spooks, Hoods and the Hidden Elite . This is a major addition to JFK research. One cannot be too grateful to Wim for publishing this. Put this on the top of your list of necessary resources & benchmark references! Homage to Chauncey Marvin Holt 1921 - 1997: "Across the fields of yesterday he sometimes comes to me, a little lad just home from play, the lad I used to be. He always smiles so wistfully and once he crept within, I think perhaps he wished to see the Man I might have been." CMH - 1978

Now, since I am nonetheless also very much interrested in the real ID of the 3 tramps, this is not only addressed to you but all researchers who followed the tramps story over the years. I think that's doubtful, or you would have ordered the dvd And to you Wim, one last question, did you personaly investigate Gedney,Abrams and Doyle like investigators do and therefore rule them out or do you base your opinion on Louis Gibbons (sp ?) work and the claims of Chauncey Holt only ? Yes I did investigate them. I rule them out based on my own eyes plus the inconsistencies in their stories and those of the arresting officers, the absence of pictures of a younger Doyle, Gedney and Abrams, and the shadows of the photographed tramps which irrefutably indicate a time past 2 PM. Gedney, Doyle and Abrams say they were detained right after the shooting, mentioned no word of being photographed either and they said they were taken from a flatbed train, a coal wagon, not a boxcar. I am not ruling out they were detained that day, but they were just not the tramps in the photographs. I don't need Lois Gibson to determine that. http://video.google.nl/videoplay?docid=7580200071522387891 Wim

Uwe, I'm still working on the Files military issue, whether Grady found his ID or another. These things are time consuming. Whatever the case, I don't doubt Files was a soldier in South East Asia at the time he said he was, nor that he was blackops contract agent for the CIA, as well as Nicoletti's boy. Meanwhile, this is about Chauncey Holt, not about Files. Whatever you may have seen on Holt, it doesn't approach the total package on this DVD, especially evidence wise. There's quite a few members here that have ordered the DVD. Maybe you should await their feedback before you dare to take the step yourself And if anyone regrets the purchase for some reason, I'll be glad to refund on return of the original dvd within 60 days. Wim PS: And thank you for the compliments.

Oh yes, Uwe, you WILL get a refund if you're not convinced! Wim http://jfkmurdersolved.com/chapters.htm

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Just received this email: Hello, I watched the dutch video on the magic bullet theroy i got what i could out of it..I'm not saying that I belive in the magic bullet theroy which I don't but in the video there is 1 incorrect peice of evidence the locations on which Gov. Connolly is not seated directly in front of Kennedy, He was slighty of to the left and down..He was on a jump seat. I was going to send several pictures but i was unable to attach them but u should be able to find some Ricky P.S: This is a really dumb question but do you know of any other 15 year old kids who arae interested in the assassination?? My answer: Yes , lost of youngsters (schoolkids) are interested in the case. I know your argument is what the Warren apologists try to brainwash you with, but it is really bullxxxx. See picture attached. Draw a line through the necks of the three men, you'll see it's exactly parallel to the side of the car. Wim