Ed LeDoux

Steve, They are on topic as they are exactly the same type of frame up by police. That goes to motive, opportunity and more. Might I suggest you stop trying to control the topic or this thread. The mods and myself will. Thanx. The bus and routes involved in this are parts of the same case, the Beckley Bunch relates directly to both the Theater Theatrics and Bus Bungling. So please continue David, but dont push your luck by trying to convince a ROKC Hater with a mountain of facts and evidence no matter how apropos. Some's skills at evidence discrimination are not that advanced, primordial and somewhat naive is more appropriate of a description. Now can we continue without constant 'intervention.' ... oy vey. Cheers, Ed

The bus escape was disproven by the Commission itself... yet its been used as a getaway for fifty plus years. Since it was the bus driver Cecil McWatters and passenger, Milton Jones, who made the public transportation a non-starter why did the commission use it? They were made aware of Milton and Cecil's recantation So instead of interviewing or getting a simple statement from the other most likely bus driver they do nothing. No name or otherwise of the Dallas Transit company bus drivers are introduced or investigated. No one is questioning the bus trips each morning. CRICKETS. Why. Do we really accept that no investigation at all was attempted for Beckley, or its bus The problem with the Marsalis bus was the transfer said by one of Dallas's finest to have been found in Oswalds shirt pocket ( change of shirt would require taking the transfer from the old shirt and place it in a newly donned shirt..) & That is where the frame up encountered a conundrum. There is nothing to this "transfer business" unless the booklet from which the supposed transfers were issued is entered into evidence. Not only is the booklet deep sixed the questions about it are scuttled. Strikingly similar to the Beckley Rooming house register fiasco Amazing coincidental omissions? Nah Andrej. Cheers, Ed

David, Neches is right where Watson moves. Keep questioning the narrative. Its shat. Cheers, Ed

Andrej that would be your own deficit if you can not accept evidence as evidence. This is not cryptic writing. The 'facts 'are that nothing Steve, yourself or the authorities put forth is convincing, let alone verified. Quite the contrary, no matter the "style" presented the fact is no evidence showed Oswald stayed at Beckley. Phone numbers in books do not suffice. Why do you feel the need to appeal to authority when these authorities have been discredited is the question I have for you Andrej. If you, Andrej are on a bus from work to a theater then obviously you did not change clothing mid stream. The wild rides to get Oswald to Beckley have too been dismantled. They never happened. So why is the continuation of the Warren Commission's route for Oswald any more sacred? It is no longer possible that these murders were feats of Oswald's. The police were framing Oswald just like many others. We know Will Fritz's true history and how he worked. To say any of the essay or these facts are disputed is disingenuous. They merely upset you and your apple cart, guess you should watch the road rather than polls or popular notions. Better buckle up Andrej, more curves ahead. Cheers, Ed PS If you need a translation of the above come to ROKC and It will be apparent.

Seemed Steve's only salvo came in the form of Oswald's notebook and the rooming house numbers. As I stated in the essay I thought Ruth gave Lee the numbers to check out. Alas there was never any call to the rooming house from Oswald to inquire about or reserve a room... then what was the point of having the numbers... as stated they were given to Lee and he went there but they only had a tiny room so he checked the other. At about the same time Herbert Lee does rent a room. Oswald instead found Bledsoe's suitable enough and rented it for the week. (under his own name) After the week stay it may not have been a good fit for the Oswalds. A seperate apartment where a washing machine could be installed for Marina's benefit was preferred. The Beckley witnesses are the best we could hope for and their statements are golden..., and prove 'their Oswald' was other roomers and COULD NOT BE OSWALD. No one who actually knew Oswald saw him at Beckley. The only story comes via Ruth about calling and some story about Lee calling back after hearing the call,or after finding out during his nightly calls., I say Ruth did call to inquire about rentals, and Ruth covered her tracks like a good Quaker. She knew she might get caught with her call/s to Beckley and the alias ruse helped her immensely. & why always two stories... tell me,...always 2 tales to pick from,,, be it Earlene, or Johnson's or Ruth, its always two stories about Beckley. This cannot be good for Roe or the case against Oswald. Should be a natural evidentiary path, but not in Roe'm. Here at Beckley we have a half dozen Oswald tales and no Oz. Its a ghost story. The whole thing smells on ice. The register is deep sixed, a scrap piece of paper from the "maid" is considered proof... but wait Roe can only at best offer up a photocopy, worthless for evidentiary purposes. Yet Roe tries to claim its Oswald's signature... He is sunk there. The Titanic stayed afloat longer. Then... His third hand story was rather convenient and bunkum. Then came a spate of needless ifs and what ifs. There is only one IF... Stephen Roe row that Titanic lifeboat... Thee IF is If Oswald denied living at Beckley. There's nothing to show he lived in the tiny room. If he claimed to live there and the Johnson's denied it yet a search turns up his belongings then great suspicion would be cast on the Johnson's for little benefit other than to avoid association with a murderer. If he said he did live there and the Johnson's agreed he did then no harm, unless the dates were not the same as given by Oswald... But a late arriving slip of paper confirms everything complete with the killers sig. Oy vey. Erasure by Gladys must have been overlooked by Steven. Oh my. Likewise if Lee said he lived there 'once' and the Johnson's only agree that he is living there when they see him in custody on TV. Why? The favors the DPD has done for Gladys are being called in. She only plays along for the possibility of money, as she herself stated, and some future help by the DPD. The cops did need Oswald in a Dallas rooming house with evidence to tie him to Tippit (Holster, Zip up Eisenhower jacket) and JFK (changed pants and shirt)... They cant have him on a bus from Elm to Jefferson!!! .... Where would he get the jacket and pistol to kill Tipppit, yeah... let alone change his clothes TO those of Prayerman. The FBI cut up the clothes for residues, and oddly do not test Holster for anything at all..., not even if the holster fit the pistol. Roe, et al are playing the excuse game for all its worth. But their excuses are made of cheap tin, the kind they make badges outta. Cheers, Ed BTW the "Key" to the rooming house is Lee had none.

.."extraordinary theory"...? Or simpler. An ordinary theory hinted at and hidden in plain sight all along. The Emperor had disrobed long ago. These gents though when told the emperor is naked turn against those seeing no clothes. They excuse it as being some flesh colored garb or just bad lighting upon his robes. Perfectly acceptable excuses, if it were the case. Alas it's never the nudists fault, but those whom point out the nudity on display. Welcome to Roe'm where lack of evidence is King, and opinion its joker. Cheers, Ed PS Truths are not based on consensus that ebbs and sways. They stand like statues. The birds and their droppings come and go.

Yes and nothing but excuses from the peanut gallery. Best not venture out of your comfort zone. There is hoping non-existent evidence appears and gives a counterpoint. But I wouldn't count on it. So far opposition has been scarce, I consider that the minority opinion. Cheers, Ed

Yes we should re-examine it in a new light. Any questions No physical evidence or witnesses. That is beyond enough if it was the other way around. Again I do not have to prove anything other than Beckley is a false address. What address was the washing machine for? Which addresses did Ruth help Oswald locate. Given the evidence in this thread, Yes. He did not give positive statements. It was the DPD giving false information. Will Fritz is your inventor. See above, I think you are arguing against yourself based on testimony etc. Why stage anything if you dont plan on photography of it, or any way to document it. They grabbed someone's belongings at Beckley we are told. Will Fritz seemed aware of this area and house. Did Lee drag a Rifle to work? Again your blindness to the obvious is breathtaking. Why does the framing start or end with a few. It seems the guy with a 98% clearance rate on homicides is a HUGE suspect, and this incrimination did not happen in a vacuum. The foot soldiers are well aware and kept mum. Yet Fritzs says Lee denies Neely... Are you looking for absolute proofs. Then the shoe is on the other foot. Its been proven to a degree of reasonable doubt that Oswald did not go to Beckley for a pistol and thus leave a trail to Tippit's murder. Its beyond reasonable to question the witnesses and evidence, and if that does not hold up to scrutiny... it must be re-examined. This is not the end Andrej, but the start. There are 50 pages of answers. The length is what it takes to answer the original question Andrej. Did Oswald deny living at Beckley? Cheers, Ed Oh and btw Hosty is toasty. https://servimg.com/view/17602890/1377

Yes Gene It is fascinating how when examined these fable stories fall apart at the seams. The closest the Johnson's and Earlene got to a Police Lineup was the television images. There is the problem as to FBI agents. I dont believe there were any at the Beckley search. Plain clothes detectives of Fritzs are hard to confuse with FBI. The cops "knew better" as they had their patsy framed for maximum effect. Odd they knew Oswald lived there yet do not get a search warrant for LHO or even OH LEE. Yes a new baby etc, yet no visits by family or friends... even though its was claimed a Russian speaking man knew to call and ask for Mr. Lee (wink wink) What a joke, joke on us for 50+ years Time to see what holds up to scrutiny What makes sense, what is natural and logical. Apply this to the stories and evidence. The results are Lee was framed by the police and FBI and robbed of his alibi in both murder cases, JFK & Tippit. The map is another bit that needs examined. "Ruth said she gave him the map on Oct 7 for finding his way looking for work - no mention of using it to find his way to boarding houses! He finds Bledsoe's non-boarding house all by himself, we are led to believe.Michael here generally avoids any direct answers though finally admitting to marking the Paine residence. Saying he put that there, but it was prior to September '62 when he moved out."Mr. PAINE - This is the kind of map that I always used, stopping in stations when I am out of one so I always have one in my car, and when the FBI showed me this particular map, which I trust is the same one I looked at before. I found on the back side a mark where it shows the whole map of the whole area, the Dallas-Fort Worth area, a little mark where our house is, that is the kind of mark that I would make when I was trying to buy some land earlier and had in mind for a long time and I wanted to find the location that was accessible to the places I would then want to go.Mr. LIEBELER - Can you tell us--Mr. PAINE - This mark is still here.Representative Form. This is the mark or can you identify that mark that you placed on this map?Mr. PAINE - Yes, I think I see a mark here of the sort which looks reasonable to me. I think it is the only mark on this side of the map. Generally, I didn't make marks on the other side of the map.Mr. LIEBELER - In your statement referring to one side of the map you were referring to the side that shows a map of the entire Fort Worth-Dallas area, is that correct?Mr. PAINE - That is correct.Mr. LIEBELER - And you say as best you can see there is only one mark on this side of the map?Mr. PAINE - That is the only one that is here, that I remember having found. I don't remember finding another one.Mr. LIEBELER - Do you remember putting that mark on the map?Mr. PAINE - I remember putting--I think I put this kind of mark on more than one map. That is our house. It then helps locate it with regard to all the arteries and what not that lead to various places.Mr. LIEBELER - You do think then it is probable that you did place the mark on the map that indicates the location of your house in Irving, Tex.; is that correct?Mr. PAINE - Yes, I think that is correct.Mr. LIEBELER - Do you know whether or not Oswald ever came into possession of this map?Mr. PAINE - And Ruth gave Oswald a map to--she told me she gave him a map, and this is the kind we have around the house, the best one she could get in the service station, to help him find a job, or help him when he was searching for a job.Mr. LIEBELER - Do you remember any other conversations with your wife about the map before the assassination?Mr. PAINE - No, I don't believe she told me she had given him the map. I don't believe we discussed it at all.Mr. LIEBELER - Would you open the map to the portion that shows the area of Dallas. I call your attention to a mark at the intersection of Boll Street and San Jacinto, and ask you if you have any recollection of placing that mark on the map?Mr. PAINE - No, I don't have any recollection of placing that mark on the map.Mr. LIEBELER - Do you remember any circumstances that might make it likely that you placed that mark on the map?Mr. PAINE - I could have placed that mark on the map when I was looking for properties. I went down to the courthouse to get plats of the areas that I was thinking of buying, and they had a copy of the plat, and so they sent it out late on Saturday, short of 12 o'clock, and just short of closing, and it was a reproduction company at that address or near that address.Mr. LIEBELER - Is that the L. L. Ridgway Co.?Mr. PAINE - Yes. That is the company that I am referring to. I don't know exactly.Mr. LIEBELER - But it is near the intersection we have just referred to?Mr. PAINE - I will take your word for that.Mr. LIEBELER - Do you know that it is?Mr. PAINE - No, I don't know. I think the FBI man said it was. 1 hadn't looked into it and didn't check it.Mr. LIEBELER - You haven't any knowledge at this point whether the Ridgway company is in this intersection or not?Mr. PAINE - I remember it is right beside the expressway and in about that area. I don't remember the names of the roads.Mr. LIEBELER - Do you think it is probable or improbable that you placed the mark on the map, the one we have just been talking about, at Boil and San Jacinto Streets?Mr. PAINE - I remember in asking the clerk where it was, and I had a map of this sort, that was also in August when I was looking for places. I would have guessed I would not. I would have been able to see where it was and know in my mind where I wanted to go.Mr. DULLES - Is that the same kind of a mark or a different kind of mark that is on the other side of the map to which we have just referred, the area map?Mr. PAINE - It is a different mark. That mark that is on the other side of the map to which we have just referred, the area map, was our house. So I made a little square that I can see and indicate a house rather than--generally I don't make marks on maps. I look up where I want to go and I go.Mr. LIEBELER - Did your wife tell you when she had given this map to Oswald?Mr. PAINE - I suppose she gave it very soon after he came back and started looking for work.Mr. LIEBELER - And you said it was August of 1963 when you were looking to find this reproduction place; is that correct?Mr. PAINE - That is correct.Mr. LIEBELER - I call your attention to a mark on Hillcrest and Asbury, and I ask you if you put that mark on the map?Mr. PAINE - I don't recall making that mark. I think it is different from the other mark, and it is--if I were to make a mark that is more the way I would make a mark. It also happens to be the cafeteria where I like to eat, where you can get all you want for a dollar there, and it is a very good meal. So I would be interested in that, in locating it. Here is one of the places where I was thinking of buying property.Mr. DULLES - Is there a mark there at that place where you were interested in buying property?Mr. PAINE - I don't think there is. I almost guessed that I didn't have that map at that time. Also I was not living--I would guess for a further reason that I would not have this map on the time of that August date was because I hadn't been living--I had been living in this apartment, and I had a map over there, and I probably didn't have the same map that Ruth had around her house.Mr. LIEBELER - So you think it is probably likely you didn't place any marks on that map other than the one indicating your home?Mr. PAINE - That is correct. In other words, I think that mark was placed there quite a long time back, because I have been interested in this locating of property for several years.Mr. LIEBELER - Is the mark at the Hillcrest Avenue spot, a mark of the type that you usually make?Mr. PAINE - And, as I say, I don't usually make a mark, but I think I might more likely have made that kind of mark, more than some of the others--somebody else has put marks here with a ball-point pen which are not the kind I would make.Mr. LIEBELER - In reviewing this map with the FBI, were there any other marks on the map that it was developed that you possibly put on the map other than the ones we have discussed?Mr. PAINE - I don't now remember any others. This one of the cafeteria there is not exactly at the right spot.Mr. LIEBELER - The mark at Hillcrest Avenue?Mr. PAINE - That is right.Mr. LIEBELER - As you look at the map now do you see any other marks which you think you might have put on the map?Mr. PAINE - No. We went over it at mealtime in considerable detail, he having located most of the marks he could find on the map--no, I guess it was still marked up like this. We didn't find anything that I can remember there that I might have put on there.This wins The Soup Sandwich of Warren Commission testimony award... and there was serious competition.Either way it was Michael Paine's map Supposedly Lee left a map at Mary Bledsoe's place. Bledsoe threw it out. Then I believe there is no evidence Lee looked for work from Oct 7 and Oct 14 thus no need for a map to find employment locations in that period. Ruth either gave him this second one on Oct 14 before dropping him off in Dallas again - pre-marked by Michael Paine . Perhaps it was taken from Irving by the cops and "found" at N Beckley. Odd a man with a MAP doesn't know North from South Beckley. Just how did he find the house? & Was this incriminating map with bullet trajectories fingerprinted? TIA I appreciate your reply Gene. Cheers, Ed

Also with Bart's and Malcolm's help, https://servimg.com/view/19524087/1807 https://servimg.com/view/19524087/1808 https://servimg.com/view/19524087/1809 https://servimg.com/view/19524087/1810 https://servimg.com/view/19524087/1811 https://servimg.com/view/19524087/1812 https://servimg.com/view/19524087/1813 Note the lunch meat went into the room at night and was gone the next day... for a meal or a sandwich for work?2+ miles is not "close to work" at the TSBD.More like the Trinity Flooring store.Odd Gladys saying she 'Hears the Shots and then sirens' from Young Street 8 blocks from Dealey plaza. (not 15)Again, no calls were received about reservations or open rooms... so sad for Roe's only hope,...inquiry was in person & signage based.Cheers,Ed

Thanks Gene, Here is a tid bit on the evidence, https://servimg.com/view/19524087/1816#

Steve, With all due respect. The typed up inventory is not done at Beckley. Along with the Irving items, its done later. Later at the DPD those guys who framed 21 other innocent people with alibis. You put a lot of faith, in the DPD, and that those are the items from the tiny room. As a point of error are one of the pairs of binoculars jumping locations. Plus everything you highlighted was supposedly in a blue valise, very portable, and contents not inventoried at the scene,.... and you have not addressed the Sea Bag or its Oswald stenciling. Mighty convenient Herbert was Navy veteran and would have a Lee stenciled sea bag. So your posting a late arriving inventory is your proof Roe? Thats it.... mk BTW, If you want to debate Greg go to ROKC and do that. If you want to answer the evidence I have provided in the 50 pages or lack of naturally occurring evidence then please start. Cheers, Ed

Nicely done Steve Thomas! Yes wasn't there a N. Madison resident or two working at the TSBD? Here is the list of dates Oswald was confirmed at Irving 17 days in 6 weeks, (Roe has trouble with possibility Oswald spent more time there )

Steve, How could anyone who destroyed crucial evidence far more valuable than a scrap of paper they sold for a pittance, be described as "money-grubbing"? No, I'd call that plain stupid. Not to mention, criminal! How could anyone trying to sell a house for 10 times it's value based on false information be described as "money-grubbing"? That should be a no-brainer. Pat Hall may well recall a Mr Lee - because there was indeed a Mr Lee who lived there. A young slim white male who had arrived from Louisiana in late September or early October. His first name was Herbert. The endless parlor games are self evident at Beckley Ah yes, he has. He just needs to step into the real world where real people were and are constantly framed in real ways. So many things once held as established facts have been demolished. Oswald living at the North Beckley house. Lunchroom Encounter Cab and Bus rides Odio encounter. A Common element runs through them. Pestering YOU?? LOL. Roe is funny. You are the one who joined the forum in order to teach those ROKC varmints a lesson, dagnabit!.... by... LOL NOT answering 99% of the evidence presented, cherry-picking the other 1% and generally throwing mud and misdirection. Let's see what a former cop says about it... -----------------------------R. Justin Freeman, Former Patrol OfficerAnswered Sep 8, 2011 · Upvoted by Justin Liu, Attorney and George Kellerman, Former corporate counsel at Yahoo, attorney at Venture Law Group Originally Answered: What can fingerprints be lifted and not lifted from?Print lifting capability isn't binary regarding various surface types - there is somewhat of a spectrum of suitability for lifting fingerprints. Knowing my answers tend to wax prosaic, here's the TLDR as a public service: Easy: Glass, glossy tile, porcelain, lacquered furniture, smooth metal. Involved: Paper, painted surfaces, drywall, cardboard, leather, most dashboards. Difficult: Organic surfaces (tree leaves, fruit peels, feathers). Formidable: Fabrics, human skin, and rough or textured surfaces (checkered handgun grips come to mind). Virtually Impossible: Oily, rusty, or extremely dirty surfaces; high traffic surfaces with multiple overlapping prints; prints smeared by movement. ---------------------------- So "leather" is no more difficult than paper... and we know the FBI fingerprinted lots of paper and cardboard. But you said "rough" leather. So that "may" shift it from "involved" to "formidable". Cant be more formidable than feathers I guess....and Roe distorts how a snap works to claim its not possible to get a print from them. Psst...Steve you dust the snaps smooth "cap"not the snaps post.... Yes the overwhelmed FBI just wouldn't bother with a formidable task. After all, this was just the biggest case they'd had. DPD likewise was too busy dusting boxes Oswald would naturally have touched. But I wonder on what basis you claim the leather was "rough"? This is the holster. Even enlarged and fuzzy it doesn't look "rough"... because its smooth leather.----------------------- I just need to know now Stephen, how Lee made it invisible to the ladies of the house and all the other nosy people who might want to wander into that "unlocked"* room. (Im just calling it unlocked because no key was found on Oswald for that room, which did lock and the landlady had spare keys with which she let the cops into "the tiny room") Roe cant actually back up his life long belief that Oswald lived in XYZ apt. because that's exactly where the cops wanted him, andvthe Warren Commission said so.... even though a cursory read of the reports and investigations discount wholly the idea it was Oswald. It was Herbert Leon Lee or Floyd de Graffenreid There is only one goal. The clue to that is in the title of Reopenkennedycase. Would that be the long-time researchers who believe in Two Oswalds and Two Marguerites? The long-time researchers who believe he was killed to keep the UFO secret from leaking out? Or maybe the long time researchers who don't actually do any research because they believe the Warren Commission? Those researchers? Do I look worried? I'd be worried if any of those folk did buy into it judging from the daily seeping from its nodes. As proven by you with your non-sequiturs, cherry picking and one-liners? Sure, if that was the best he come up with. I think not Steve. I think you are verbalizing your mental magic-thinking. I did cover it. Your answer is posted. Oh and please and obtain a direct quote about what I said about it being "fakery" Those BYPs are undeniable fakery... thanks to the Powerline Shadow Study done by ROKC among many accomplishments. A scientific paper establishing this is underway. Now you have an even bigger problem Steve Roe! How does that holster found at Beckley reconcile worn by Lee in the BYP'S Where's the belt that was threaded through that holster at Beckley so it could hang on the door knob? The one Alexander saw? The one that's not in the inventory for Beckley... So Roe, No fingerprints from a smooth metal snap buttons of the holster... or leather as it was just too hard to even try. Roe calls smooth leather rough. He needs to stretch his own credibility thin here. And if Roe is saying the cops knew this to be 100% true then why no other means of documenting this evidence and tie it to Oswald. Photos of it in the room, etc... No belt to hang the holster is included. The Warren Commission denounced their own evidence, the slip of paper, as fake. Roe just cant accept the proof shown him. Roe has no answer for why Oswald had numbers and did not call even when it was necessary. Instead we are told by Ruth a story about the numbers and her calling and of course there was no Lee Oswald there, we are told. Roe has no key to a room for which he claims Oswald rented but can not show a single receipt or any physical evidence Oswald was the roomer or even a roomer. My evidence trumps your flimsy phone numbers. Direct witness statements contradict the idea the persons thought to be Oswald. Those persons were in fact other roomers. Phone calls investigated by the FBI support this fact. There were no roomer witnesses of Oswald. Proven. The management has been caught in various conflicting statements. Their credibility is now shot. The new management has too blown their own credibility based on their own statements. So Steve has a mile to go and is mad he didnt check the map. You are here [1964] June 8th and Ruth's calendar canards. Roe falls for everything but whats rubbed in his nose. Roe asks why everything is not in the essay, first because that doesnt prove anything. Second as stated there is a limit to how long I was wiling to beat a dead horse once I shot it 3 blocks from Beckley getting out of a cab.... Why is FR 5 5591 in the book? What relatives did the numbers owner have, Cody's... crikeys!! So a bus driver on the Shreveport run and Roe wants to know about numbers in a book? What answer did he give for why his number is in the book twice? What does refute Roe is the 50 pages of evidence, including another 9 of photos, documents, and I tell the listener its not for me to find everything. Guess Roe has a listening deficit... check the tape. So Roe has two trival concerns that were "addressed", no pun intended. Roe refutes it all by a page in a book? No no Roe. That is not sufficient for even a weak analysis to conclude as you have. He has almost reached circumstantial level. Hint for Roe, better find something solid soon as your audience is turning on you. We are close to seeing how silly Roe is willing to look for the sake of trying to find a "gotcha" - which he idiotically hopes readers will buy as some implosion of 50 pages of evidence. Damage control over what? You are trying to spin that entry in Oswald's book and any opinion that it was not in Oswald's handwriting as some monumental turning point in this debate. You are delusional, desperate, or both. Firstly, let me address your claim that Greg became an "instant" expert in handwriting analysis -- a call you made without knowing if it had any validity or not. Because that is how you roll. Greg Parker worked for the Department of Social Security. One of the positions he held in that department was the investigation of things like maladministration and fraud by members of the public or staff. As part of the training for that job, he did learn basics on what to look for in fraudulent signatures. He is not an "expert", but HE does have experience. What's your excuse? The thing about experts is that, like me, the best they can do is offer an OPINION. For every qualified expert that you can find to say the writing is Oswald's, I'll find one that says it isn't. Happens every day in court. Even the WC and HSCA experts sometimes offered differing opinions on the same writing samples. The counselors were warned to get the guest register and that the slip is inadequate. So where in all of that, is your "gotcha"? There isn't one. Your bluff and bluster is merely trying to make people believe that the pimple is really Mt Everest. Sorry even your pimple has popped Steve, but you probably hear that a lot. Let's assume my opinion is wrong and it is Oswald's writing. Does it prove he lived there? Not at all. Dallas Rooming HouseMrs BledsoeWH 219857 / WH 38993 --------------------- You would hardly call Bledsoe's home a "rooming house". It was a normal 4 bedroom house and she occasionally rented spare rooms out - mainly to friends of her son judging from FBI reports... and her son Poter was there thus only two bedrooms could be rented... and no one else seemed to be there while Oswald stayed a week. Did she even advertise? Apart from the sign she says she had in her window, I mean? Did she give out her number, or was it in the phone book. Pray tell dont google it and ROKC or Ed Ledoux as you wont like what you'll find. In any case, of the two places, only the N Beckley building could rightly be described as a "rooming house". As I believe I've pointed out already, the lack of a name to go with the second phone number does not bode well for Steve Roe. Why write Bledsoe's name down and not Johnson's? Especially when there are three people to remember, Earlene Roberts, Gladys Johnson and Mr AC Johnson. No names in six weeks... Or Merely a number like FR 5-5591, right Steve? The simple explanation is that he never had a name. He got the number from a directory as listed under "rooming houses", or was given the number by someone, like Ruth, but did not take a room there... 8 bucks for that closet? Yep frugal money saving Oswald is blowing the Warren Commission budget they mocked up for him. Eating out and an extra dollar a week for a more comfortable room doesn't sound frugal or conservative As for Pat Hall... I have called out her errors directly to her on the Lone Gunman podcast. She is quite aware of me and my requests, Its her game to play as she sees fit. I though am not under any obligation to support the fable any longer. Besides. What's your point? If she remembers a Mr Lee it is because there was a Mr Lee. She refuses to acknowledge Herbert and continues to claim that Mr Lee was Oswald because it is in her financial interests to do so. So far your rebuttals have been... -the weakest "gotcha" in history -calling a smooth leather holster a rough leather holster -claiming the FBI would not have bothered attempting to fingerprint said holster because it was "too difficult" -name-calling (which can be fun, but should never be attempted by a rank amateur, especially if that is all he has in his debating bag) -a lot of hot air, bluster and misdirection -------------- I have to assume that the bulk of the points made are ones you cannot answer. And not even with a patented "non-answer" that you supplied for everything else. How about you try to least address this, since it is YOUR evidence Notice that it lists "living room and television" privileges... but not kitchen and refrigerator privileges? No Board, no food, no refrigerator mentioned. It would have to have been a massive industrial sized fridge to accommodate food for 12 or more guests on top of owners and staff. But note that "cafes" are listed. Why would that be Steve? A gentle way of saying that's where you have to eat? A fact confirmed by Hugh Slough. Yet of all the guests, the only one who refused to speak to anyone and spoke on the phone in a European language, for reasons never explained, the ONLY one given fridge privileges? Odd or a story so far off it goes over Roe's head like a home run. Must be true. None of those cafe employees recalled Oswald. Suck it up buttercup. You have nothing. So Roe did we get your answer yet as to why Oswald did not call ahead... Especially given he had the numbers according to Roe and yet no call to Beckley 3 weeks prior to Oct 14th, then again no call to Beckley on Oct 14th either. Roe wants us to believe simply having numbers equates to residency. Psst... Receipts do that. Guest books do that. Unaltered sign in sheets do that. Witnesses, and other corroborating evidence does that. Writing down a phone number and never calling it, no name to go with it... useless even as circumstantial evidence. Roe is inept or just champions a concerted campaign of ignorance of real world events. Keys to locked rooms... Receipts for rent paid... Witnesses. Oswald sure could have saved himself a trip all the way to Beckley to find out what he could have called about.... twice. I dont think so Roe. That's a no go. Cheers, Ed

Roe is making stuff up. Nothing of the sort ever happened, if so how does Roe know... and if it was erased how does Roe know it was? All very telling. Desperation is getting the better of Roe. Ed

Roe's evidence of occupancy is rubbish. He has almost reached circumstantial level. So Roe,No fingerprints from a smooth metal snap buttons of the holster... or leather as it was just too hard to even try. Roe calls smooth leather rough. He needs to stretch his own credibility thin here.And if Roe is saying the cops knew this to be 100% true then why no other means of documenting this evidence and tie it to Oswald.No belt to hang the holster is included.The Warren Commission denounced their own evidence, the slip of paper, as fake.Roe just cant accept the proof shown him.Roe has no answer for why Oswald had numbers and did not call even when it was necessary.Instead we are told by Ruth a story about the numbers and her calling and of course there was no Lee Oswald there, we are told. Roe has no key to a room for which he claims Oswald rented but can not show a single receipt or any physical evidence Oswald was the roomer or even a roomer.My evidence trumps your flimsy phone numbers.Direct witness statements contradict the idea the persons thought to be Oswald. Those persons were in fact other roomers. Phone calls investigated by the FBI support this fact.There were no roomer witnesses of Oswald. Proven.The management has been caught in various conflicting statements.Their credibility is now shot. The new management has too blown their own credibility based on their own statements.So Steve has a mile to go and is mad he didnt check the map.You are here [1964]June 8th and Ruth's calendar bs.Roe falls for everything but whats rubbed in his nose. Gee, Roe asks why its not in the essay, because that doesnt prove anything. Why is FR 5 5591 in the book?What relatives did the numbers owner have,What answer did he give for why his number is in the book twice?What does refute Roe is the 50+ pages of evidence I presented. Roe has two trival concerns that were "addressed", no pun intended. Roe refutes it all by a page in a book?No no Roe.That is not sufficient for even a weak analysis to conclude as you have. How about a page from that Guest Register eh Roe. Haha.He has almost reached circumstantial level.Hint for Roe, better find something solid soon as your audience is turning on you.

No inclusion of Earlene- Gladys- or AC Johnson's name anywhere in Oswald's notebook or on Oswald. This means Lee Oswald did not know them by name or otherwise. He looked at a room, maybe. He didnt rent it though. Took another. Got kicked out. Then what? He had all weekend to check out, call, or reserve a room somewhere.. but no. For the second time in a row he doesnt call Gladys. No No Steve Roe. He supposedly just shows up Monday and just happens the for rent sign is out??? And yet only a tiny room is available. He says with a straight face. This is farcical. Roe will never be able to answer this simple question. Why didnt Lee call Gladys from Ruths Saturday? or Sunday, or Monday morning? Why didnt Oswald call? Roe has shown he had the number... Ruth had a working phone. So Roe? Where's the calls... or did he call to get the address?? hahaha so he could stop by and check to see if the sign is out. Oh my. Did Mary Bledsoe testify to Oswald or Ruth calling her about rentals? No???? Why not Steve Roe? Cheers!!! Ed

The notes are pinning Beckley on Oswald, or Framing him to get easy evidence past a court, heck they grab a justice of the peace to seal the deal then and there. and lo and behold they dont even get a search warrant for Oswald Nor OH Lee Nor Mr. Lee Nope, the JOTP writes it as UNKNOWN PERSONS, Plural. Damn conspiracy theorists ... Cheers, Ed

From Walt Brown's Chronology:October 14, 1963—time unstated, but a.m., CST— Dallas, Texas. Ruth Paine vaguely recalls driving Lee Oswald into Dallas on that date. (Testimony of Ruth Paine, 3H 32)Note: It is highly likely that Ruth Paine drove Lee Oswald somewhere that day, as he had arrived at the Paine residence on Saturday, October 12, fully aware that Mary Bledsoe no longer desired his presence as a roomer in her home.He took more than the usual personal items TO the Paine house, and had to then find new lodgings (1026 N. Beckley), deposit his things there, and return to Bledsoe's (621 N. Marsalis) and collect what remained there.Because his belongings were at Bledsoe's for a week, and because she had no intention of giving him a refund either way, he got no refund.Subsequent testimony by Ruth Paine is more clear on the event— she recalled driving Lee Oswald into Dallas on a day when she took her typewriter— with Cyrillic [Russian alphabet] keys, into town to get it repaired.She found the repair tag and the checks she write to the Weaver Office Machines Co. "when we went to pick up the machine" on October 18, so her recollection is clear that she drove Lee Oswald into Dallas on Monday the fourteenth— the beginning of a week in which he would find new living quarters and new employment. (Deposition of Ruth Paine, 9H 428) October 14, 1963—a.m., EST—The White House, Washington, D.C.Fred Korth, Secretary of the Navy, abruptly resigned amidst growing concerns of the legalities of the contract that he and fellow Texan Lyndon Johnson cooked up for the controversial TFX fighter plane."There was general agreement in the Administration that Mr. Korth would 'fit better' in private life [or prison…] than in Washington." (Mark North, Act of Treason: The Role of J. Edgar Hoover in the Assassination of President Kennedy, p. 326)Note: This happened on a Monday; the previous Monday, LBJ crony Bobby Baker abruptly resigned his post as Secretary to the Senate Majority Leader.Given this circus-like atmosphere surrounding a Vice President viewed as increasingly corrupt and desperate, it is becoming clear that one of two things will eventuate: President Kennedy's term will be shortened, or Vice President Johnson's term will be shortened.For Kennedy, it was no longer a matter of "if" Johnson was to be discarded, but only "when."Once cut loose, Johnson would have been fair game not only for federal and state prosecutors, but for the IRS as well as a good number of individuals on Capitol Hill who had no use for Johnson.November 22nd rewrote all those scenarios. October 14, 1963—a.m., CST—after Ruth Paine possibly provides a ride; Lee Oswald takes the remainder of his things from Mary Bledsoe's lodgings and left a mess behind. Mrs. Bledsoe said, "Good luck. You know, I thought to myself, 'That's good riddance.'" Oswald, Bledsoe testified, had left behind a map showing bus routes and possible work sites. "I just threw it away and clean up the room. Just threw it away…. didn't pay any attention to it." (Deposition of Mary Bledsoe, 6H 406-407) October 14, 1963— between 4: 00 and 5: 00 p.m., CDT— Dallas, Texas.Lee Oswald makes the first of six $ 8 payments for his rented room at 1026 N. Beckley, rented under the name "O.H. Lee"; Subsequent payments were made every seven days: October 21, 28; November 4, 11,* and 18. The page noting these payments and nothing else is stamped "Top Secret" in two places. (Gladys Johnson Exhibit A, 20H 276)Note: the cited exhibit, "Gladys Johnson A," contained a complete list of boarders at 1026 N. Beckley. The dwelling itself, while unprepossessing from the street, is quite large and offers board in twenty-two bedrooms— as testified to by Mrs. Johnson (Deposition of Mrs. Arthur Carl (Gladys J.) Johnson, 10H 292)For reasons known best to those who classify such exhibits, it was initially classified "Top Secret." It was eventually declassified, as it was published in the 26 volumes. Some researchers have hypothesized that 1026 N. Beckley was essentially a safe house.(*) Oswald did not, in point of fact, make a payment on November 11, 1963; it was a Monday, and celebrated as Veterans' Day, and he remained with Marina and his two daughters at Ruth Paine's house.Earlene Roberts would testify that he always paid regularly and promptly, but did not make that payment until he returned to 1026 N. Beckley at approximately 5: 00 p.m. on Tuesday. (Deposition of Earlene Roberts, 6H 442)That testimony was essentially corroborated by Gladys Johnson, the property owner, he testified he paid the rent on the 12th, "I would say the next 5 minutes after he walked into the house from work." (Deposition of Mrs. Arthur Carl (Gladys J.) Johnson, 10H 297)Note: Just as Oswald visited the Elsbeth Avenue site in Dallas, according to landlord Mahlon Tobias, three weeks in advance, so he visited 1026 N. Beckley in advance: "I came home that afternoon(*) and he seen the room for rent sign— the first time he came by, I happened to have just rented the last room that one time. Occasionally, I will have them full and then they just go vacant; people just come in and out, stay a week and then are gone, anyway, at that time, I didn't have a room."[Warren Commission Counsel Joseph] Ball: "The first time he came to see you?"Johnson: "Yes; that's something about 3 weeks before he came back." (Deposition of Mrs. Arthur Carl (Gladys J.) Johnson, 10H 293).Yet Oswald did get a room when he returned, on October 14; three weeks before that would be September 23, 1963, the day before he fled the Garners' lodging on Magazine Street in New Orleans. FROM THERE HE WENT TO MEXICO, and is believed to have returned on October 3. So Gladys Johnson's three week estimate is off by more than double— as the earliest he could have stopped would have been 10 days before, or, put another way, "last week." "Three weeks" is a specific designation of time, even if hedged by "about three weeks."Someone is being Oswald, and lining up the ducks for him. There is no other explanation for this non-stop pattern of anomalies— especially since the Johnson estimate would also coincide with the approximate time when Lee Oswald did not— because he could not have— visit Sylvia Odio.Note: In a lighter vein, Mrs. Johnson has a rental document page signed by "O.H. Lee," which she insists the Warren Commission should photo copy: "I have been told that I could sell this and I haven't gotten any money. I think about $ 30 is what I received [from what source is unclear and unasked], all the trouble and all I've had and I've had to take the rugs up once or twice. People like to have driven us crazy before we asked for any information what to do." (Deposition of Mrs. Arthur Carl (Gladys J.) Johnson, 10H 294).She would add that her boarding receipts had declined because of Oswald's presence in that dwelling.She told of Oswald never leaving his room, eating there, keeping meat and milk in the refrigerator, and never speaking: "That man never talked; that was the only peculiarity about him. He would never speak." (Deposition of Mrs. Arthur Carl (Gladys J.) Johnson, 10H 296)Comment: Perhaps this individual, like the "Depository Oswald" was silent because he lacked the fundamental basics in the English language— but perhaps HE was fluent in Russian. October 14, 1963, "early afternoon," 1: 00 or 2: 00 p.m. CST; Dallas, Texas. Earlene Roberts rents a room at 1026 N. Beckley to a man who registered as "O.H. Lee," and she would testify that she did this "to my sorrows."When asked, "Why to your sorrows?"She answered, "Well, he was registered as O.H. Lee and I come to find out he was Oswald and I wish I had never known it… they put me through the third degree… The FBI, Secret Service, Mr. Will Fritz' men and Bill Decker's… Every time I would walk out on the front porch somebody was standing with a camera on me— they had me scared to death." (Deposition of Earlene Roberts, 6H 435-436)Note: In assessing the groups who gave her "the third degree," Mrs. Roberts could have added, "The Warren Commission," as they pointedly— and repeatedly— asked her whether or she knew Oswald (Mr. Lee) had a gun or if she ever saw one, to the point of asking her if she went through his personal belongings when she cleaned his room.October 14, 1963— late afternoon, CST, Irving, Texas. Ruth Paine, aware that there may be a job at the Texas School Book Depository, telephoned Roy Truly to learn if a position is available, and is told that there is an opening, albeit temporary. (Testimony of Ruth Paine, 3H 34) ROKC additions: October 14 1963 was a very busy day for the suburban Quaker charity lady Ruth Paine;-Getting a cyrillic typewriter repaired-Giving Lee a lift to Dallas near as she could to Texas Employment Commission (TEC)-Having coffee with the neighbors and organizing a job for Lee without even knowing if he got one for himself that day thru the TEC-Writing a letter full of praise for Lee to her mother., But not enough praise to drive Lee the 10 miles between a job interview at a lumberyard and Oak Cliff where he has to wander about looking to spot for rent signs in yards for at least another mile in distance....carrying his clothes on a hanger, and a sea bag. Busy day the 14th, unlucky too. Cheers, Ed

P. 301: Captain Fritz: "Where did you go when you left the work? "I have a room over on North Beckley". "Where on Beckley?" "1026". "North or South?" "North or South?" "Yes". "I couldn't say, but it is 1026 Beckley". //Fritz asked "North or South?" but Lee already told him "North". Some confusion here// No such exchanges are in Hosty's notes about any of this. And why would Fritz ask N or S if he is so well acquainted with Beckley and knew it couldn't be S as that's a grocery store. Ed "What's the area look like?" "Oh, a couple of streets come together at that point, and there is a filling station across from the boarding house---" The captain nodded: "That's North Beckley". There are several places a couple streets come together on South Beckley and one still has a filling station though its too late to know off hand if there were any residences that one could rent a room in nearby.Besides Beckley is a long street undefined at both ends. Its possible Fritz knows Oak Cliff like a cab driver but I doubt it. Ed Captain Fritz excused himself. He went out into the hall and told a couple of detectives to run over to 1026 North Beckley and search a room rented by Lee Harvey Oswald. And yet they did not get a warrant for Oswald nor OH Lee's room but persons unknown. Why "persons" when its just lil ole Lee? Ed Great finds Andrej! Cheers, Ed

Some local history Of course take Tosh with several grains of salt... Cheers, Ed

So the notes get cherry picked by Hosty and some Reid Technique malfeasance and turned into a near confession by Oswald... To Jim DiEugenio, I'd proclaim the second most important reason for the Beckley bag job will always relate to alibi and means. Put the man in the area where he gets a pistol and leaves the holster behind. Classic alibi manipulation They take away Oswald's movie alibi and insert a ridiculous dash to buses, cabs, rooming houses, yet moments of time suspended while Mr Lee waits at a inbound bus stop, then a dash through Oak Cliff to again, slowly stroll the wrong way whilst being stopped by a policeman, a shooting, more dashing through alleys or was it down Jefferson... anyways the suspect dashes all the way down a major thoroughfare only to duck into a alcove, where the store manager gets suspicious and dashes after this man, who ducks into a theater unseen by the ticket seller or ticket taker. Calls to police about the malicious movie goer make cops dash into the theater and go straight up to the balcony, all the while the shoe store manager is hiding behind the curtains watching the cops in the balcony... nothing is said by the shoe store manager as one suspect is being questioned up on the balcony steps, he stays hidden and quiet... When cops enter the stage door the shoe store manager still doesnt say who is the man... cops start frisking everyone. Only when Oswald gets his crotch grabbed by a policeman and knocks his hat off does a melee insue. Later the policemen says a different man in the front row, and not the overpaid shoe salesman as whom pointed out Oswald as the man they wanted. The alibis were easy pickings by DPD and the truth or notes of the truth hurt the whole bloody story. Cheers, Ed

Thank you Steve Thomas! That sums it up and puts a bow on it. ...... Bart has docs that clearly state he, Hosty, arrived in the basement about 2:45 - 2:50 and had some discussions. Then according to his notes was inside the interrogation room at 3:15 - 4:05 To Steve Roe, how does a mans alibi get robbed? See my above post. Cheers!, Ed

For Andrej, A map. https://servimg.com/view/17602890/1358 The Notes by Hosty have a dot between the O and next letter. Not O.H But O dot H Also the top notation ends in "room" Well any good investigators ask what room. But here Room was supposedly room O. Hosty note is very distinct. The dot is completely out of place for it to be initials. Combine the two halfs and it now reads Room O Hosty was still writing it out as 'where' he lives, when it changes to who. This is because Hosty wasnt there to hear any Beckley talk between Fritz and Oswald. Hosty was late and his notes show it. The notes Actually start with 2515 W. 5th Irving. I believe the note at very tippy top, 1026 N. Beckley was added after the interview. When Fritz and Hosty get a chance to converse, then Hosty includes this info he wasnt present for, at the top. Also claims are these notes are written out after the interrogation session. FBI is supposed to listen to the interrogation, during a break they write down everything they heard, perhaps not in order or even continuous sentences, bits recalled are written as remembered. Anyone want to chime in on the logistics of the note taking and what it means to these notes. Cheers, Ed

Stop the presses! Steve Roe invented Keyless entry in 1963. Also paperless documents....Steve give us a break. Your evidentiary excursion has left a trail of blood and no treasure. The Bus, key, the lies, all are given a right merry hug and a kiss by those with nothing upstairs. Give the Warren Commission a nod and off to sod eh. No Oswald at Beckley. A Mr. Lee whom made long distance calls and wasn't Oz at all. A tiny cowboy hopped up on Westerns also not Oswald. No one is Oswald at Beckley, because Oswald wasn't there. Calls, books, and witnesses chronology are Roe's defeat. Cheers, Ed PS: Mae just wrote what she was told. Roe was never told to write anything. Similar outcome.. Andrej, The attributions are not all in Oswald's words but Will Fritz's. Same with the notes. Hosty was not in the interrogation when Fritz started with Oz. Hosty makes it appear like he was there the whole time. 1026 N. Beckley is not what Fritz claims.