Vince Palamara

Yes: Jerry O'Rourke is still alive (he lives very close to his former colleague, Jerry Blaine!), that IS Forrest Sorrells in that pic with LBJ, and I can't reveal the DETAILS of the letter from his attorney...but you are correct in your analogy.

Blaine is a "true believer"---doubt anyone will change his mind

Vince

Hi, all!

Yes, SA Jerry O'Rourke is the agent who firmly believes there was a conspiracy, NOT Gerald Blaine. In fact, this is what Blaine wrote to me in an e-mail dated 6/12/05:

"I did not hear Jerry O'Rourke's comments, but I cannot even imagine an agent who went through the whole thing expressing a conspiracy theory, but everyone is entitled to their own thoughts. My study and evaluation over the years, based upon the threat scenario's we had to deal with pointed to Oswald's acting alone"

Blaine also told me on the phone on 6/10/05:

"The Secret Service learned so much from the assassination" and "The Warren Commission did a great job" (!)

There is going to be a big media splash with this book: not only because it says so in so many words on the publisher's website, but because this book is being published BY a major publisher with all the hype of "former agents speak out for the first time" (bulls*&^!) AND will convey that Oswald acted alone (the media will love that!). Last but certainly not least, I have the distinct feeling they will be towing the "blame-the-victim" line (it's a shame he was killed, but JFK was asking for it via reckless behavior and ordering us off the limo [more bulls^&%]). I would be shocked if this book "came and went", so to speak.

See:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/29254708/Blaine-...yDetail-Catalog

There are several factual errors JUST from the backjacket released so far:

"For the first time ever" the Secret Service agents are allegedly speaking out about the assassination. We ALL know this is not true: the Warren Commission, Manchester, Bishop, the HSCA, and especially MY BOOK, not to mention several Secret Service documentaries on tv/ vhs/ dvd, among other sources, chronicles what many of these agents have to say about the matter.

Clint Hill has allegedly refused to cooperate with any book on the assassination until now. Oops: wrong answer---Hill was interviewed 11/18/64 and 5/20/65, respectively, for William Manchester's "The Death of a President." (His testimony also appears in the Warren Report, another book, not to mention TWO different appearances on "60 Minutes", a 3/22/06 appearance on "Larry King Live", as well as lengthy interviews on THREE different televised Secret Service documentaries, available for retail purchase the world over on VHS and/ or dvd!) [Nothing is mentioned about Hill testifying that the right rear of JFK's head was missing, indicating a shot from the front]

Over forty agents who served JFK contributed to the book [giving the distinct impression that this is a world exclusive]...that's nice, but I interviewed and/ or corresponded with even more ("cross examination", so to speak, versus friendly "direct examination"), as well as several very important agents---the "brass"---who passed away BEFORE this book was even a thought. It's nice to have the thoughts of the many "Privates"---Special Agents---regarding Kennedy and so forth, but nothing beats the "brass": SAIC Jerry Behn, ASAIC Floyd Boring, and ATSAIC Art Godfrey, not to mention JFK Aide Dave Powers.

I, along with several other researchers, ALSO have the 11/18/63 Tampa Secret Service Final Survey Report, as well as shift reports for that trip (these were released by the ARRB in the late 1990's). The issue really is about the many OTHER trip reports that WERE destroyed by the Secret Service in January 1995 for the period from 9/24/63 to 11/22/63; a token number were released to "pacify" us all.

Blaine's attorney sent me a threatening letter last Fall: they are worried about me...for good reason. ) I won't take this *&% lightly.

Vince Palamara

Hey Vince,

I too think this is an important book, regardless of what it says. If Blaine is a security consultant, then he should recognize that even if he believes Oswald acted alone, the security implications of the assassination are still effecting us today, and that the records must be released NOW as a matter of national security. He should also be required to testify at a Congressional Oversight Hearing on the JFK Act as to why all the records are being withheld and destoryed if Oswald acted alone?

He should also have to respond to Bill Simpich's continuing reports on how the official records reflect that Oswald was being used as a counter-intelligence asset whether he was aware of it or not.

And my question has yet to be answered as to whether Gerry O'Rourke is still alive, as he too should be required to testify as the news article says that he developed his firm opinion on the assassination while serving as a SS intelligence agent in Washington with access to the files that are being withheld and destroyed, and these records helped him for his opinions.

The book is scheduled for release in November, and every time an article about this book is published gives us an opportunity to respond and set the record straight about these issues.

There also must be a book signing, and book tour, and we should meet with Blaine and give him the information that we have that convinces us that there was a conspiracy and ask him how he resonds to that.

And Vince, can you share with us what Blaine's lawyer had to say to you?

It appears as if he was trying to stymie you, as in golf or pool, and block your shot.

BK

Hi, all!

Yes, SA Jerry O'Rourke is the agent who firmly believes there was a conspiracy, NOT Gerald Blaine. In fact, this is what Blaine wrote to me in an e-mail dated 6/12/05:

“I did not hear Jerry O'Rourke's comments, but I cannot even imagine an agent who went through the whole thing expressing a conspiracy theory, but everyone is entitled to their own thoughts. My study and evaluation over the years, based upon the threat scenario's we had to deal with pointed to Oswald's acting alone”

Blaine also told me on the phone on 6/10/05:

“The Secret Service learned so much from the assassination” and “The Warren Commission did a great job” (!)

There is going to be a big media splash with this book: not only because it says so in so many words on the publisher's website, but because this book is being published BY a major publisher with all the hype of "former agents speak out for the first time" (bulls*&^!) AND will convey that Oswald acted alone (the media will love that!). Last but certainly not least, I have the distinct feeling they will be towing the "blame-the-victim" line (it's a shame he was killed, but JFK was asking for it via reckless behavior and ordering us off the limo [more bulls^&%]). I would be shocked if this book "came and went", so to speak.

See:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/29254708/Blaine-...yDetail-Catalog

There are several factual errors JUST from the backjacket released so far:

"For the first time ever" the Secret Service agents are allegedly speaking out about the assassination. We ALL know this is not true: the Warren Commission, Manchester, Bishop, the HSCA, and especially MY BOOK, not to mention several Secret Service documentaries on tv/ vhs/ dvd, among other sources, chronicles what many of these agents have to say about the matter.

Clint Hill has allegedly refused to cooperate with any book on the assassination until now. Oops: wrong answer---Hill was interviewed 11/18/64 and 5/20/65, respectively, for William Manchester's "The Death of a President." (His testimony also appears in the Warren Report, another book, not to mention TWO different appearances on "60 Minutes", a 3/22/06 appearance on "Larry King Live", as well as lengthy interviews on THREE different televised Secret Service documentaries, available for retail purchase the world over on VHS and/ or dvd!) [Nothing is mentioned about Hill testifying that the right rear of JFK's head was missing, indicating a shot from the front]

Over forty agents who served JFK contributed to the book [giving the distinct impression that this is a world exclusive]...that's nice, but I interviewed and/ or corresponded with even more ("cross examination", so to speak, versus friendly "direct examination"), as well as several very important agents---the "brass"---who passed away BEFORE this book was even a thought. It's nice to have the thoughts of the many "Privates"---Special Agents---regarding Kennedy and so forth, but nothing beats the "brass": SAIC Jerry Behn, ASAIC Floyd Boring, and ATSAIC Art Godfrey, not to mention JFK Aide Dave Powers.

I, along with several other researchers, ALSO have the 11/18/63 Tampa Secret Service Final Survey Report, as well as shift reports for that trip (these were released by the ARRB in the late 1990's). The issue really is about the many OTHER trip reports that WERE destroyed by the Secret Service in January 1995 for the period from 9/24/63 to 11/22/63; a token number were released to "pacify" us all.

Blaine's attorney sent me a threatening letter last Fall: they are worried about me...for good reason. ) I won't take this *&% lightly.

Vince Palamara

See the two page scroll down:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/29254708/Blaine-...yDetail-Catalog

THIS WILL BE A MAJOR BOOK BY A DIVISION OF SIMON AND SCHUSTER! WRITTEN BY FORMER JFK/ TEXAS TRIP AGENT GERALD BLAINE [mentioned on the Air Force One tapes: "Blaine, Burke, and his party" (Austin)] AND HIS VERY GOOD FRIEND, CLINT HILL, WHO IS WRITING THE FOREWARD! (Clint Hill's brother-in-law? Fellow JFK agent David Grant, assistant advance agent for the Dallas trip!)

Blaine and many of his colleagues, including "the brass" (SAIC Jerry Behn, ASAIC Floyd Boring, and ATSAIC Art Godfrey) and several White House aides (including close JFK aide Dave Powers, Pierre Salinger, and Marty Underwood), all told me that President Kennedy was a nice man, never interfered with the actions of the Secret Service at all, and did NOT order the agents off his limousine.

President Kennedy was a very nice man and never interfered with the Secret Service at all...and that goes for JFK's aides, too-nice try! UH OH-guess who's responsible? I'll give you a hint: the initials are "SS" and I don't mean the Third Reich

http://www.amazon.com/Gerald-Blaine-Secret.../R22QJKCG1Z8SD1

http://www.amazon.com/gp/richpub/listmania..._pdp_lm_title_1

BLAINE'S ATTORNEY SENT ME A THREATENING CERTIFIED LETTER LAST FALL---THEY ARE WORRIED ABOUT ME, TO PUT IT MILDLY...I WILL BE "THE FLY IN THE OINTMENT", SO TO SPEAK

http://vincepalamara.blogspot.com/

First of all, Clint Hill WAS interviewed for William Manchester's book back in 1964 and 1965---

interviewed by: Warren Commission (March 9, 1964), for Manchester, The Death of a President (November 18, 1964; May 20, 1965), and 60 Minutes (December 7, 1975; November 1993); December 1963 newsreel regarding Treasury award (with C. Douglas Dillon as presenter); Who Killed JFK: The Final Chapter? (CBS, November 19, 1993); <b>The Secret Service and Inside the Secret Service videos (1995); Inside the U.S. Secret Service documentary (2004); Larry King Live (March 22, 2006)

Oops.

"Conspiracy theorists" don't just "claim" that the beloved Secret Service DESTROYED RECORDS OF PRESIDENTIAL TRIPS: THEY DID!!!!---

According to Chapter 8 of the Official Federal Government's Assassination Records Review Board (ARRB’s) Final Report (1998), given to President Clinton, Newt Gingrich, Trent Lott, and a gaggle of media luminaries and available the world over free---not for profit---online (kind of like my book):

"Congress passed the JFK Act of 1992. One month later, the Secret Service began its compliance efforts. However, in January 1995, the Secret Service destroyed presidential protection survey reports for some of President Kennedy’s trips in the fall of 1963. The Review Board learned of the destruction approximately one week after the Secret Service destroyed them, when the Board was drafting its request for additional information. The Board believed that the Secret Service files on the President’s travel in the weeks preceding his murder would be relevant. [Emphasis added.]

As the ARRB’s Doug Horne wrote in a memo dated April 16, 1996: “The ‘final decision’ to approve the Texas trip made ‘late Tuesday night’ indicates that de-cision came on September 24, 1963 … the Secret Service Protective Survey Reports … which were destroyed in 1995 commence with trip files starting on this same date: September 24, 1963 [emphasis added].” In addition, the ARRB’s Joan Zimmerman noted in a May 1, 1997 Memorandum To File: “Thus far, the US Secret Service collection is in 6 gray archive boxes for documents, 7 large, flat gray boxes with newspapers and clippings, and 1 small box with a tape cassette … In Box 5 there are three folders marked “trip file”. All are empty.” The chairman of the ARRB, Judge Jack Tunheim, stated: “The Secret Service destroyed records after we were on the job and working. They claimed it was a mistake that it was just by the normal progression of records destruction.” Former PRS Agent Dale Wunderlich wrote to me: “I assumed that advance reports from the early 1960s had been destroyed years ago.” The agent’s assumption aside, why wait until 1995, after the ARRB began its work?

Former agent Frank Stoner gave me a copy of the Secret Service's JFK inaugural survey report...I'm sure there are alot of 'things' in private hands.

And, last but not least...

ONLY forty??? )

Vince Palamara

First Amendment fan

PLEASE, someone, anyone---Bill Kelly, etc.---send me Douglas Horne's e-mail address

MY e-mail is vincebethel@yahoo.com

PLEASE SEND IT TO MY E-MAIL ADDRESS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! )

Vince Palamara

back to where I was from 1978 to 2007...hey, I only lost my senses for a year and change LOL

"Vince, why the comeback?" ANSWER: Douglas Horne's 5 new books...and, to a certain extent, my own re-evaluation (remember, even at my "lowest", I STILL believed there WERE conspiracies [plural] to kill Kennedy...just that [my thinking circa Spring 2007-mid 2009] Oswald beat them all to the punch...and I have, of course, always believed in the Secret Service's negligence)

BREAKING NEWS-11/21/09: PRESIDENT KENNEDY'S ASSASSINATION SOLVED*******************

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bE8b2CCDPqw

Vince Palamara

http://www.google.com/profiles/vincepalamara

Do you think you can ask some of your excellent contacts in the SS if they knew SAIC New Orleans John W. Rice, what he was doing in the course of the investigation, what became of him, and why he wasn't interviewed or questioned by anyone?

Thanks for sharing all your work,

Bill Kelly

5 more JFK assassination/ MEDICAL EVIDENCE/ Secret Service videos.....

Vince,

As the expert in these matters, I am sure you are familiar with the report that John W. Rice was at Barksdale AFB near Shreveport, LA when he was contacted by the Dallas Secret Service office and instructed to proceed to Goldonna, LA to investigate the initial JFK shooting suspect, Jack W. Martin.

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...bsPageId=267652

Can you verify whether or not November 22 was also Rice's wife's birthday, and if it was, how that detail may have played into Rice making that 325 miles, each way, trip to Barksdale. Did Rice's older daughter and her husband, you probably know their names, so I won't post them here, reside at that time. in Leesville, LA,

a town south of Shreveport, next to the Ft. Polk, US Army base, lying along the shortest route from New Orleans, or did the young couple move there shortly after? Did Rice stop at his daughter;s home in Leesville, before or after his official stops at Barksdale or at Ladonna, or meet with his daughter or son-in-law after he heard the news about JFK? Did Rice perhaps bring his wife along on that trip north, to visit with her daughter on the occasion of Rice's wife's brithday? Is it possible Rice had planned to pick his daughter up in Leesville and bring her back to New Orleans to celebrate her mother's birthday?

If John W. Rice recounted his recollections to you of that fateful afternoon, I'm assuming all of the family related details that would jog the memory of any of the agents you've interviewed would have come into play. How did you determine (prioritize) which agents were most important to devote the time to attempt to obtain information from, or about, or is the assassination of president Kennedy simply subordinate to your interest in researching and writing about the Secret Service personnel?

Vince, did you attempt to interview John W. Rice or his wife? If not, who are the other agents you asked for details they might offer related to Rice and his career? When do you recall becoming aware of Adele Edisen's claims of being interviewed by John W. Rice in his office on November 24, 1963? Did Adele's assertions influence you in any way to pursue details related to the career and other background of John W, Rice?

Were you aware that John W. Rice had served on the White House residence protection detail in the early 50's? Where have you published those details?

Hi, everyone. Sorry: as I have told Bill over the years (hi, Bill!) what i have on John W. Rice is what I have in my book/ online...not much! )

5 more JFK assassination/ MEDICAL EVIDENCE/ Secret Service videos

Part 13 (part one, medical evidence): Vince Palamara demonstrates his JFK assassination related medical evidence/ correspondence from his second book "JFK: The Medical Evidence Reference."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgRtsbdt00M

Part 14 (part two, medical evidence): Vince Palamara demonstrates his JFK assassination related medical evidence/ correspondence from his second book "JFK: The Medical Evidence Reference."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KudTqoCgk1k

Part 10: Vince Palamara demonstrates some of the more prominent Secret Service related books and his own interaction with the authors, as well as some other items of interest

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SowuV2R4Dqk

Part 11: Vince Palamara demonstrates even more very rare and obscure JFK/ Secret Service related photos, as well as other interesting items.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4NB0NIuuUA

Part 12: Vince Palamara demonstrates all the many books and dvds he has been a part of.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=00RNrnkMU88

In addition, please make a note of my other recent new additions:

Part Nine: Acting as part summary (thus, some repetition from prior

parts) and part loose ends collection (new stuff), Vince Palamara

catalogues some more very interesting "official" and unofficial Secret

Service items of interest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ItmBueOcac

Part Eight: Vince Palamara explores "official" history as portrayed in

pre and post assassination (kids/ adults) books, as well as other

interesting loose ends (including photographs and correspondence):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZQghKDgaZ8

Part Seven: JFK, Marilyn Monroe...and FLOYD BORING?!?!? Also, Thomas

Shipman, the agent who passed a way a few short weeks before Dallas

[10/14/63, to be exact: "heart attack" at Camp David...](and who could

have been JFK's driver instead of the inept Greer) is discussed

(twice), among many other items of interest (including Secret Service

Agent Wade Rodham, HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON'S UNCLE!):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seS32H_tFy4

Part Six: Vince Palamara discusses Secret Service agent Emory Roberts

and the whole "official history" issue of JFK allegedly being

difficult to protect and even allegedly ordering the agents off the

back of his limousine, among other things:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q6Z_njSD9U

Part Five: What President Lyndon Johnson thought of the inept ASAIC

(number three man; on the Texas trip; riding in the limousine) Roy H.

Kellerman: ouch!!!!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72uLzSwh7oU

Part Four: Vince Palamara notes quite a few of the more interesting

and valuable Secret Service (JFK) related books, dvds, and videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9T2SF-QA2I

Part Three: Vince Palamara explores the role of ASAIC (number two man

of the Secret Service White House Detail) Floyd M. Boring in the

planning of JFK's fatal trip to Texas, among other things:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slacowH_aUk

Part Two: Vince Palamara explores many interesting and rare JFK/

Secret Service related photographs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCMBioLcQiY

Part One: the strange presence of PRS Secret Service employees Glen A.

Bennett and the heretofore virtually unknown Howard K. Norton on

President Kennedy's fatal trip to the Lone Star State, as well as in

Florida (and, in Bennett's case at least, New York) in November 1963:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCVkf9ScsB8

Vince Palamara

http://www.google.com/profiles/vincepalamara

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v4n1.html

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v4n2.html

Part Nine: Acting as part summary (thus, some repetition from prior parts) and part loose ends collection (new stuff), Vince Palamara catalogues some more very interesting "official" and unofficial Secret Service items of interest:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ItmBueOcac

Part Eight: Vince Palamara explores "official" history as portrayed in pre and post assassination (kids/ adults) books, as well as other interesting loose ends (including photographs and correspondence):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZQghKDgaZ8

Part Seven: JFK, Marilyn Monroe...and FLOYD BORING?!?!? Also, Thomas Shipman, the agent who passed a way a few short weeks before Dallas [10/14/63, to be exact: "heart attack" at Camp David...](and who could have been JFK's driver instead of the inept Greer) is discussed (twice), among many other items of interest (including Secret Service Agent Wade Rodham, HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON'S UNCLE!):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=seS32H_tFy4

Part Six: Vince Palamara discusses Secret Service agent Emory Roberts and the whole "official history" issue of JFK allegedly being difficult to protect and even allegedly ordering the agents off the back of his limousine, among other things:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Q6Z_njSD9U

Part Five: What President Lyndon Johnson thought of the inept ASAIC (number three man; on the Texas trip; riding in the limousine) Roy H. Kellerman: ouch!!!!:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=72uLzSwh7oU

Part Four: Vince Palamara notes quite a few of the more interesting and valuable Secret Service (JFK) related books, dvds, and videos:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9T2SF-QA2I

Part Three: Vince Palamara explores the role of ASAIC (number two man of the Secret Service White House Detail) Floyd M. Boring in the planning of JFK's fatal trip to Texas, among other things:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slacowH_aUk

Part Two: Vince Palamara explores many interesting and rare JFK/ Secret Service related photographs:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vCMBioLcQiY

Part One: the strange presence of PRS Secret Service employees Glen A. Bennett and the heretofore virtually unknown Howard K. Norton on President Kennedy's fatal trip to the Lone Star State, as well as in Florida (and, in Bennett's case at least, New York) in November 1963:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCVkf9ScsB8

Vince Palamara

http://www.google.com/profiles/vincepalamara

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v4n1.html

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v4n2.html

PLEASE WATCH IN HIGH QUALITY MODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Spanning the years from FDR to Obama, the most critical years for the

Secret Service, Vince Palamara uses many rare photographs to

demonstrate the history of the Secret Service in the modern era.

Original music by Chris Lindstrom.

Vince Palamara

http://www.youtube.com/user/VincePalamara

Survivor's Guilt: The Secret Service & The Failure To Protect The President

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v0ntMfe95Js

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God Bless Barack Obama, "Sully" Sullenberger, the memory of JFK, John Simkin, and the Nation

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfH35258dRA

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I'll tell you this: a good many fellow researchers are doing their very best to "UNconvince" me of my regard for Bugliosi's book...and it is starting to have an effect. As I alluded to before, the back-of-the-head witnesses and the Sylvia Odio incident still trouble me.

Bugliosi's book just totally caught me off guard---I did not expect such a well-written, LENGTHY indictment of Oswald that was so all-encompassing (I kept a legal pad of all the areas I wanted him to cover...and, to my astonishment, between the text and the disc, he did). I may already be heading for the Anthony Summers/ Tink Thompson "agnostic" viewpoint, so that is progress from my adamant reversal LOL

Vince

I can't fathom how someone with your apparent attention to at least some of the details of that day [i have NO idea how much you know of non-SS related matters] could come up with the one-foot-in-both-camps conclusion of LHO being the lone assassin who beat-out the others lurking in Dallas and elsewhere.

Staking out a niche market. The one Foot In Both camps brigade are now accommodated.

It really stretches credulity. It is as if a number of 'lone' assassins sort of had some vague knowledge of the others, but fought to be first and win the prize of the turkey shoot. Lee 'won' in Dallas [those on the GK must have been mad as hell!]; after some others having lost-out in other cities. Ruby gave him the prize. [Ruby and the DPD men who let him in had lost their bets.] A whole new industry for a quasi-conspiracy book genre has been created. The SS were only involved to the extent they took bets on who would win via their betting parlor markers. Roselli was in charge of the betting and Morales, Harvey, Phillips, Bishop, et al. were only sending agents to be the first to know who had won. Another betting parlor group was run by Bannister and Shaw in N.O. with Ferrie and friends as croupiers. Nagell got 'out' as he knew his bet was lost. The Oswald doubles were there to confuse and confound some of the betters. UM and DCM were betting on Lee and hedging their bets. Prouty was sent to Antartica, as he was opposed to betting. The Paines only manipulating Oswald and Martina in order to maximize their profits. The jamming of DPD channels and phones in D.C. were to confound angry loosers on their bets. Winning DPD officers arrested Oswald in the theatre in order to get their winnings early. Tippit was a big looser with a 'beef' that he was misled.......and so on. Officers changed the type of gun in a futile attempt to save their lost bets and detroyed and tampered with evidence in last-ditch efforts in the same vein.

All of the suspected CIA, FBI, JCS, NSA, SS, DPD, MI, Ultra-Right, Nazis, SOF, and anti-Castro Cubans [and others] only had a 'sporting interest' in the event....rather than any actual involvment. [This also explains all the interesting onlookers in the Plaza waiting to see the outcome and how their bets would make-out with their own eyes] I'll bet the odds were on Lee....maybe THAT was the conspiracy...the event was 'fixed'! Martino and others had inside info on this fact. The cover-up from that day to this has only been to keep from the American Public the largescale betting on political events and assassinations by insiders. Even the tampering with films and photos were to disguise people exchanging money and markers. Case Resolved.

Everyone go back to John Le Carre novels, The Green Felt Jungle, and endless re-readings of Alice In Wonderland. Bartender make mine a double - I've wasted the greater part of my life on a phantom and wild goosechase - when the truth was always so obvious, so innocent and so clear.....I've now seen the light and am saved further as of my time and mental energies. The light of truth is blinding....America is pure and innocent. [if a bit addicted to gambling]. This also explains the other assassinations and even 911. I feel unburdened for the first time in decades.

Sorry Vince, I'm not at all conVINCEd! [by any 'Vince'].

Rick: How can you close me up? On what grounds?

Captain Renault: I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!

[a croupier hands Renault a pile of money]

Croupier: Your winnings, sir.

Captain Renault: [sotto voce] Oh, thank you very much.

[aloud]

Captain Renault: Everybody out at once!

Captain Renault: What in heaven's name brought you to Casablanca?

Rick: My health. I came to Casablanca for the waters.

Captain Renault: The waters? What waters? We're in the desert.

Rick: I was misinformed.

- Casablanca [1942]

First, I want to apologize for all my "hit and run" postings (especially regarding my YouTube videos): I never seem to stay and chat...could be because I am somewhat "handicapped" by not having a home pc (by choice; while I still have the net on my cell phone, I used to spend waaaay too much time on it, so I have learned some restraint and do other things LOL).

I WILL say this: all the postings I read (especially about the Odio incident and the back of the head issues) are compelling...Vince Bugliosi's book just truly floored me. Perhaps I need to keep my self-professed open mind even more open than it already is.

I also have to say: yes, i do have an ego...but it's mostly online; in person, you would say to yourself, "Gee, Vince, you don't seem at all like the egotistical bastard you are on the net" LOL. Always remember this; often, a so-called ego masks insecurities... The net is a free and fun way to advertise yourself (as Nixon said, history belongs to those who write it for themselves, or something like that); guess I get carried away sometimes...

Like I have been telling everyone, since at least 1995, I have been saying/ writing "Oswald or no Oswald, conspiracy or no conspiracy, my work still holds up"...for it is an examination of what the Secret Service did and did not do that cost the nation its president. That said, I STILL BELIEVE THERE WERE CONSPIRACIES TO KILL JFK BREWING...just that, as much as it pains me to say (still), Oswald beat them to the punch. To me, a TRUE "lone-nutter" is a jerk who feels Oswald acted alone AND THERE WERE NO THREATS TO JFK...if i still believe that there were mortal threats to JFK, I am not a true lone nutter.

I AM making a ton of things available free online (my book, articles, videos, etc.), as I always have, because I like to share information.

I am very sorry if I upset or pissed people off with my book blurb or endorsement of Bugliosi's book. Remember: i am only one man, armed with an opinion...and you know what they say about opinions

Vince Palamara

http://www.youtube.com/user/VincePalamara

Vince Palamara

Vince,

Do you have a band?

BK

I sort of / kind of still have a band---my best friend sings and plays keyboards: we still get together (we were THE core of all of my major bands). So, between YouTube, MySpace, etc., it is still like we are a full fledged band LOL

http://www.youtube.com/user/VincePalamara

Vince Palamara

In this major gem from the Vince Palamara archives, Vince uncovers the only television interview of Dr. Malcolm Perry that still exists: a very rare clip from a "Texas News" newsreel from 11/23/63, the day after the assassination. Amazing! [note: slight audio buzz appears on the original]

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In this rare clip from the vast Vince Palamara archives, Vince uncovers a real gem: a classic segment from a 1977 Canadian tv show "The Fifth Estate" featuring Peter Dale Scott and DPD Chief Jesse Curry in Dealey Plaza. Essential viewing!

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Another gem from the Vince Palamara archives: Vince interviewing Aubrey Rike, the Oneal Funeral Home employee who became famous via his inclusion in the works of Lifton, Livingstone, etc. Note the date (and location): 11/22/97, the 34th aniversary of the JFK assassination

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In a lengthy segment from a video shot by Vince Palamara, Vince shows Dealey Plaza (in Dallas, Texas) as it looked on 11/22/97, the 34th aniversary of the JFK assassination. Also of note is the startling replica limousine that begins and ends this video, the throng of people, the grassy knoll, the Triple Overpass, the Texas School Book Depository, and the general calm and serenity of this tragic landmark in American---and world---history.

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SEE ALL THE MANY OTHERS AT:

http://www.youtube.com/user/VincePalamara

18 new YouTube videos: inc. amazing Dr. Robert Shaw & DPD Curry statements+CLASSIC JOHN JUDGE (C-SPAN)

This ultra-rare classic from the vast Vince Palamara archives (trust

me, it's humongous!) finds Dr. Robert Shaw, Governor John Connally's

chief surgeon, in a Parkland Hospital press conference (WFAA/ ABC tv),

telling the amassed news media (and millions in tv land) that "the

bullet is in the leg: it hasn't been removed...it will be

removed...left thigh...before he goes to the recovery room [note the

time sequence!]"...what?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!

Single Bullet Theory...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OyI0P6WYIY

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Another gem from the vast Vince Palamara archives: DPD Chief Jesse

Curry on 11/20/63, 2 days before the Kennedy assassination that

happened within feet of the car he was driving, warning the good

citizens of Dallas to behave themselves...his incredible and ironic

slip (?) "untoward accident, or incident" is amazing!!!! Note also the

"harmful or degrading" comment. Wolper, 1964

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In this classic from the vast Vince Palamara archives, John Judge

(COPA) gives an impassioned speech on C-Span's "JFK: Cinema as

History" (Jan. 1992). Enjoy!

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In this very interesting 2004 clip from the vast Vince Palamara

(Secret Service/ related) archives, Secret Service agent Clint Hill

emotionally talks about JFK and the tragedy of 11/22/63. Also

included: agents Jerry Parr, one of the heroes of 3/30/81, and Larry

Cockell, one of the "heroes" of the Lewinsky scandal!

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In this very ironic and interesting clip from the vast Vince Palamara

archives, a WFAA/ ABC reporter tells the local television audience

awaiting JFK for his 11/22/63 Fort Worth Chamber of Commerce speech [a

very short time before his assassination in Dallas] all about the

September 5 1901 assassination of President William McKinley, as well

as Secret Service procedures...how thoughtful of him-NOT!!!!!

Incredible and ironic, to say the least...not to mention incredibly

bad taste on the reporter's part.

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Another short gem from the Vince Palamara archives: NBC's Bill Ryan

telling millions of viewers that not having the top on the president's

car may have been a "tragic mistake." Indeed.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqeWnsMsTvU

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In this amusing clip from the Vince Palamara archives, President Nixon

makes some silly statements during his 3/6/74 press conference (during

the height of the Watergate affair)...among them: "I've also quit

beating my wife!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkpKO2MxJHQ

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In this classic clip of President Richard Nixon, during the height of

the Watergate affair, ole Tricky Dicky demonstrates his lack of

respect for the media. Enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxW44ghduIk

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An interesting video clip from the Vince Palamara archives: Secret

Service agent Jerry Parr (whom I spoke to: great guy) discussing both

the 11/22/63 JFK assassintion and, in more depth, the 3/30/81 attempt

on the life of President Reagan. The narrator is former Secret Service

agent Bob Snow (whom I corresponded with).

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In this interesting clip from the vast Vince Palamara (Secret Service)

archives, I demonstrate one of the numerous instances of media

disinformation regarding JFK and the Secret Service that one has had

to put up with since the days of the Warren Commission, Manchester,

Bishop, the HSCA, etc. This was made back in 1996 and, while I now

somewhat regret the silly editing of distinguished author James W.

Clarke, who wrote a fine book on political assassinations, no malice

intended and, warts and all, this television clip demonstrates, yet

again, the "JFK-as-scapegoat" theme I explored in my book.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPk1Pl_Z7_0

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see the rest here:

http://www.youtube.com/user/VincePalamara

such as...

Vince Palamara archives: JFK, the Secret Service & the media:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3RsC6OAZoo

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Vince Palamara archives: Betty Forsling Harris & Dave Powers:

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Vince Palamara archives: Secret Service Agent Winston Lawson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwSAuRDsEZ0

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Vince Palamara archives: ABC's Haggerty re: Secret Service:

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Vince Palamara archives: JFK & the Secret Service- cute, sad:

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Vince Palamara archives: Secret Service agents Kinney & Hill:

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Vince Palamara archives: JFK SECRET SERVICE IDENTIFIER:

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Vince Palamara archives: LBJ with SAIC's Behn & Youngblood:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0mOExWLibU

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Vince Palamara archives: Reagan SAIC's Parr & DeProspero:

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Vince Palamara archives: Nancy Reagan & the Secret Service:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsmW3T4CYi8

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Vince Palamara archives: Fort Worth, JFK, Hill, Kellerman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G_jZWIQQjo

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LAST, BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST-

Vince Palamara: Books & television...& Bugliosi:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm842SWubNw

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See all my YouTube videos:

http://www.youtube.com/user/VincePalamara

VINCE PALAMARA YOUTUBE VIDEOS: SECRET SERVICE (AUDIO) INTERVIEWS---

FLOYD BORING:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMr9-Eg5NvE

GERALD BEHN:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdM6WXqXjIo

SAM KINNEY PART 1 OF 5:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfH35258dRA

SAM KINNEY PART 2 OF 5:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adoLU1P4HnI

SAM KINNEY PART 3 OF 5:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C4mLWccskY

SAM KINNEY PART 4 OF 5:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N7HXxd9lEw

SAM KINNEY PART 5 OF 5:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdxlJN722GE

DONALD LAWTON PART 1 OF 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mqOG5yOeX0

DONALD LAWTON PART 2 OF 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfHw5d4Ribo

CHARLES ZBORIL PART 1 OF 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bKoPopQ4G8

CHARLES ZBORIL PART 2 OF 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxP2xFF9gpM

CHARLES ZBORIL PART 3 OF 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqFN4IjzUno

RICHARD GREER, SON OF THE LATE BILL GREER:

This is a REAL rarity from the Vince Palamara archives: This is

a REAL rarity from the Vince Palamara archives: in the only known

record of his speaking voice, former Secret Service agent William R.

"Bill" Greer, the inept driver of JFK's death car on 11/22/63, speaks

by phone to researcher Roy Ennis on 12/6/70 (for the self-published

book "Murder From Within")

Part 2 of this very rare gem from the vast Vince Palamara Secret

Service archives: researcher Roy Ennis 12/6/70 phone interview of

former Secret Service agent William R. "Bill" Greer, the inept driver

of JFK's death car on 11/22/63 (the only known recording of Bill

Greer's voice!) (more)

Vince Palamara unearths this gem from a rare 1976 CFTR (Canadian)

radio broadcast of a) Secret Service responsibilities on 11/22/63 and

a late 1975 interview with Roy Kellerman! (more)

Vince Palamara unearths this rare gem from his archives: the HSCA's

G.

Robert Blakey talking about the Secret Service as an intro. to the

staff interview of Secret Service Inspector/ Asst. Dir. Thomas

Kelley(9/78) (more)

Vince Palamara unearths yet another gem from his vast personal Secret

Service archives: Chief James J. Rowley's testimony before the HSCA

in

September 1978 (more)

Vince Palamara archives: JFK, the Secret Service & the media:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3RsC6OAZoo

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Vince Palamara archives: Betty Forsling Harris & Dave Powers:

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Vince Palamara archives: Secret Service Agent Winston Lawson:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwSAuRDsEZ0

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Vince Palamara archives: ABC's Haggerty re: Secret Service:

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Vince Palamara archives: JFK & the Secret Service- cute, sad:

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Vince Palamara archives: Secret Service agents Kinney & Hill:

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Vince Palamara archives: JFK SECRET SERVICE IDENTIFIER:

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Vince Palamara archives: LBJ with SAIC's Behn & Youngblood:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0mOExWLibU

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Vince Palamara archives: Reagan SAIC's Parr & DeProspero:

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Vince Palamara archives: Nancy Reagan & the Secret Service:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsmW3T4CYi8

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Vince Palamara archives: Fort Worth, JFK, Hill, Kellerman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G_jZWIQQjo

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LAST, BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST-

Vince Palamara: Books & television...& Bugliosi:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm842SWubNw

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See all my YouTube videos:

http://www.youtube.com/user/VincePalamara

VINCE PALAMARA YOUTUBE VIDEOS: SECRET SERVICE (AUDIO) INTERVIEWS---

FLOYD BORING:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMr9-Eg5NvE

GERALD BEHN:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdM6WXqXjIo

SAM KINNEY PART 1 OF 5:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfH35258dRA

SAM KINNEY PART 2 OF 5:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adoLU1P4HnI

SAM KINNEY PART 3 OF 5:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C4mLWccskY

SAM KINNEY PART 4 OF 5:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N7HXxd9lEw

SAM KINNEY PART 5 OF 5:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdxlJN722GE

DONALD LAWTON PART 1 OF 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mqOG5yOeX0

DONALD LAWTON PART 2 OF 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfHw5d4Ribo

CHARLES ZBORIL PART 1 OF 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bKoPopQ4G8

CHARLES ZBORIL PART 2 OF 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxP2xFF9gpM

CHARLES ZBORIL PART 3 OF 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqFN4IjzUno

RICHARD GREER, SON OF THE LATE BILL GREER:

This is a REAL rarity from the Vince Palamara archives: This is

a REAL rarity from the Vince Palamara archives: in the only known

record of his speaking voice, former Secret Service agent William R.

"Bill" Greer, the inept driver of JFK's death car on 11/22/63, speaks

by phone to researcher Roy Ennis on 12/6/70 (for the self-published

book "Murder From Within")

Part 2 of this very rare gem from the vast Vince Palamara Secret

Service archives: researcher Roy Ennis 12/6/70 phone interview of

former Secret Service agent William R. "Bill" Greer, the inept driver

of JFK's death car on 11/22/63 (the only known recording of Bill

Greer's voice!) (more)

Vince Palamara unearths this gem from a rare 1976 CFTR (Canadian)

radio broadcast of a) Secret Service responsibilities on 11/22/63 and

a late 1975 interview with Roy Kellerman! (more)

Vince Palamara unearths this rare gem from his archives: the HSCA's

G.

Robert Blakey talking about the Secret Service as an intro. to the

staff interview of Secret Service Inspector/ Asst. Dir. Thomas

Kelley(9/78) (more)

Vince Palamara unearths yet another gem from his vast personal Secret

Service archives: Chief James J. Rowley's testimony before the HSCA

in

September 1978 (more)

Hi, Ray:

Boy, if it were only that easy LOL. It was not one, two, or 14 things that swayed me...it was the totality (quality and quantity) of Bugliosi's book (text/ source notes...I checked 'em all). If we held every conspiracy book to the same rigid standard some are applying to Bugliosi's book, I wonder how many would hold up.

Since 1995, I have offered my "caveat" that "Oswald or no Oswald", my work holds up...the same exact way people find value in lone-nutter Trask's work, I know they feel the same way about my work. Although more forcefully stated recently, the groundwork for my 'turnaround' was there 13 years ago...and, once again, I am not entirely a lone-nutter (there were conspiracies and threats to JFK...it's just that Oswald beat them to the punch)

Vince

But, again, I read the book, I came, I saw, and I was conquered.

Hi Vince:

A number of people have observed that, in endorsing Bugliosi's (i.e. the Warren Commission's) theory, you made no comment on what it was precisely in Bugliosi's book that influenced your opinion.

Bugliosi produced no new evidence that I can think of, and in fact he makes a complete fool of himself on the NAA/bullet lead issue, so inquiring minds are wondering if you could identify one or two key issues where you felt that Bugliosi has, after 45 years of confusion, clinched the case.

Hey, I'm not that young: 41 going on 42 (it's hereditary: my mom is 70 and looks 55) ;-)

You wrote:

"my question is: have you read the better books on the 'other side' and if not, why not?" Yes, I have read---and own---them all.

"Fasten [y]our seatbelt, as I think you're about to hit some turbulance from many who once thought highly of your work." It has already begun LOL. Still, I have yet to see one researcher divorcing themselves from my work based on my latest opinions (i,.e. Most everyone takes information of value from Trask, The WR, the HSCA Report, etc. regardless of their disagreement on the ultimate conclusions of the works in question)

Vince Palamara

As you know I don't know you as a person, nor you me. I find your 'explanation' rather hard to swallow after haveing read your great work in the SS.

You said, "It is as simple as this: I read the Warren Report, the HSCA Report, David Belin's books, Jim Moore, and Gerald Posner, and, while I was disturbed, I was not ultimately swayed because they left many holes for us to plug, so to speak. I came to Vince Bugliosi's book EXTREMELY skeptical, to put it mildly...but the book won me over..." 

Rather than make a statement at this point, my question is: have you read the better books on the 'other side' and if not, why not?

Jan is correct on VB's error about Manson [not to mention IMO, totally wrong about Dallas]. Posner wrote a book about Mengele before his many on Dallas and it was also an apologia for the CIA.....your in very strange company, young man. Best to you. Fasten our seatbelt, as I think you're about to hit some turbulance from many who once thought highly of your work.

Hello everyone:

All I can say is "wow" [or OMG in computer-speak]: I cannot believe the number of e-mails, forum messages, YouTube comments/ messages, etc. I have received regarding my comments on Bugliosi's book. I don't know where exactly to begin, so, typical of my chaotic writing style, I will start from wherever and finish somewhere LOL.

First of all, I have to say this forecefully: I am still your friend (even if you don't care to be mine); no nasty rejoinders, comments, or anything like that from me, trust me. My goal is to surpass Richard Trask as the nicest "lone-nutter" in the research community (he is virtually the only one from the "dark" side CTers still like and respect, to a great extent)! Second, as Gil Jesus will back me up on this one (I e-mailed him the following) and, what's more, it's even in the YouTube message: I STILL STRONGLY BELIEVE THERE WERE MORTAL THREATS AND CONSPIRACIES (PLURAL) TO KILL JFK THAT WERE BREWING/ IN MOTION JUST BEFORE/ CONCURRENT WITH 11/22/63...just that, as much as it pains me to admit (trust me, it does), Oswald beat everyone to the punch. So, in THAT regard, I am hardly a lone nutter, per se. To make an analogy: several groups were planning to rob the First National Bank of Boston, but some lone individual pulled off the caper before they got the chance to enact their nefarious schemes. Third, I (OBVIOUSLY) STILL STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT THE SECRET SERVICE'S GROSS NEGLIGENCE LED TO THE DEATH OF JFK *AND* THERE INEPT HANDLING OF PRE-11/22/63 THREATS TO JFK AIDED AND ABETTED BOTH OSWALD *AND* THE POTENTIAL (SEPARATE) CONSPIRATORS WHO WERE, FOR VARIOUS REASONS, UNABLE TO SEE THEIR GOAL COME TO FRUITION (BUT LOVED THE FACT THAT OSWALD DID THEIR DIRTY WORK). Fourth, I REALLY AND TRULY READ VINCE BUGLIOSI'S BOOK: EVERY WORD, EVERY SOURCE NOTE, FOOTNOTE...EVERY DETAIL...DID YOU???? Or did you dismiss it out of hand, skim it, or rely on just the nasty CT book reviews for your, ahem, "reading" of his book? Well (answer truthfully)? From 1978 to April 2007, I adamantly and forcefully believed there was a conspiracy in DALLAS and that Oswald, if he acted at all (which I highly doubted), did NOT act alone. I don't know what my friend Jack White was referring to earlier: limited hangout???? From me???? I am on record, many times on the net, in conference appearances, e-mails, etc. as espousing a firm belief that there was a conspiracy in DALLAS...and, in a strong way, I AM STILL ESPOUSING ONE---AGAIN, I STILL STRONGLY BELIEVE THERE WERE MORTAL THREATS AND CONSPIRACIES (PLURAL) TO KILL JFK THAT WERE BREWING/ IN MOTION JUST BEFORE/ CONCURRENT WITH 11/22/63...but Oswald "took the rap" for them by doing the deed by himself. Am I guilty of trying to have it both ways? Guilty as charged---but it's a sincere belief on my part.

I firmly believe THAT is the rub (to quote my cheesy YouTube video: hey, I ain't Speilberg LOL): all the seeming evidence of a conspiracy/ prior threats...yet all the damning evidence that Oswald did it by himself.

Have there been government cover-ups and conspiracies? Obviously, yes; you don't need me to tell you that. After all, in the final analysis, I am just one man with an opinion, that's all: aren't we a country filled with diversity, different cultures, backgrounds, beliefs, political party affiliations (Democrat, Republican, Independent, etc.)? Why get so up in arms about myself? Remember: I am on record, several times (Murder In Dealey Plaza, COPA '95, SRU 3/22/07, my book, etc) as giving out a caveat---whether one views the JFK assassination as the act of a lone nut (Oswald) or the act of a deadly conspiracy, my work holds up either way.

I work a day job, I am hardly rich (far from it), and have lost $ on the pursuit of this case/ my research (any very modest $$$ I have made through sale of books, etc. has been greatly countered by the costs of production, time, etc). My access to all of those retired Secret Service agents came through normal, over-the-counter ingenuity: access to a phone and a directory, e-mail, their addresses, etc. that anyone WHO CARED TO DO SO could have obtained relatively easily on their own...I was just fortunate that I tapped into a relatively unexplored area of the case.

It is as simple as this: I read the Warren Report, the HSCA Report, David Belin's books, Jim Moore, and Gerald Posner, and, while I was disturbed, I was not ultimately swayed because they left many holes for us to plug, so to speak. I came to Vince Bugliosi's book EXTREMELY skeptical, to put it mildly...but the book won me over (again, to a point: I STILL STRONGLY BELIEVE THERE WERE MORTAL THREATS AND CONSPIRACIES (PLURAL) TO KILL JFK THAT WERE BREWING/ IN MOTION JUST BEFORE/ CONCURRENT WITH 11/22/63...just that Oswald beat everyone to the punch). I have always been blessed with an OPEN mind. DO I WANT AND WISH FOR OSWALD TO NOT BE THE SOLE SHOOTER AND FOR THERE TO HAVE BEEN A CONSPIRACY IN ***DALLAS***? You bet; absolutely (so, yes: I wish I could still believe that LOL).

Is Bugliosi's book (or ANY book) perfect or error-free? No (i.e. I disagree with Bugliosi on his whole take on JFK's alleged desires to not have the agents on the car). But, again, I read the book, I came, I saw, and I was conquered.

Thanks for your time...let the vitriol begin!!!

Vince Palamara

a.k.a. Scumbag, Judas, the traitor, the mole, the limited-hangout dude, etc.

P.S. To answer any (future) inquiries:

"What made you change your mind, you *&^%&^ Vince????"

Answer: I read Bugliosi's book.

It is what it is.

Vince, for numerous reasons, I'm convinced a clean-up of the limousine occurred outside Parkland. This may have been done for purely innocent reasons. Even so, the Secret Service's refusal to acknowledge this clean-up, innocent or not, is suspicious.

Did Kinney ever discuss this with you? Did any of the other agents?

My gut tells me one of the agents found CE399 in the limousine, and planted it on what they thought was Connally's stretcher, in order to hide that they'd screwed up and cleaned-up the crime scene. What are your thoughts on this issue?

I agree--the limousine was cleaned up at Parkland and at the White House garage. Kinney and George Hickey helped in the cleanup. I don't think Kinney viewed this as suspicious.

Re: CE399---see my book:

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v4n1.html

chapter 8, page 11

vince palamara

--- Abraham W Bolden wrote:

> Vince:

>

> I am sure that you are familiar with Bugliosi's

> book that was published in May. Although I have not

> read the book, I have heard and watched a video

> advertising the book at

> http://www.reclaiminghistory.com/.

>

> He is 100% behind the findings of the Warren

> Commission. What do you think of his findings. He

> claims to have proven everything that he contends in

> the book (Also, does he mention your work at all?).

>

> If you get a chance, let me know what you think

> about it. My publisher asked me the same question.

>

> Thanks

>

>

> Abraham W. Bolden, Sr.

Dear Abraham:

Yes, very familiar with Bugliosi's book; in fact, I amreading it now up to page 1112 out of 1612, not including the additional disc clocking in at 954 pages!). I will say this:

1) It is THE best Oswald-did-it book EVER, replacing

the Warren report, Posner, etc. Very well written,

witty, sometimes funny (in a good way), and very

thorough (for the most part);

2) It is the best prosecutor's brief ever (on the

case);

3) It has the best bio of Oswald ever (approx.300

pages, a book in itself);

4) It has the best summary (extremely detailed,

though) of the four dark days in November ever

(approx. 300 pages);

5) The intro. is outstanding;

6) He successfully debunks all the stupid theories and

several prominent authors/ researchers like Mark Lane,

Robert Groden, etc.;

7) At first glance, it is extremely compelling

(especially to the LAYMAN, I am sure), that Oswald

acted alone, as did Ruby;

8) HBO is going to do a 10-part mini-series on the

book;

9) Time magazine just came out with a piece on the

book;

10) It is THE longest and most incredibly researched

book ever on the case (Bugliosi states thta, at a

normal font and including the massive sourcenotes and

endnotes disc), the book would be 13 volumes!!!!;

11) Bugliosi (along with Dale Myers) does prove that

Oswald killed Tippit, that Oswald was a chronic xxxx

and wife beater, and that he couldnt hold a job to

save his life (a loser of sorts), hardly the heroic,

innocent patsy many view him as (i.e. Garrison). It

seems hard to dispute that Oswald was indeed

INVOLVED...

Now, for the "bad" news (for Bugliosi):

a) Bugliosi calmly states (and lists) many of the

Parkland and Bethesda witnesses who stated that JFK

was shot from the front and/ or that the right rear of

the head was missing and/ or the throat wound was an

exit wound, yet doesn't supply a decisive reason to

debunk the majority;

Bugliosi states that the majority of the Dealey

Plaza witnesses did indeed believe the shots came from

the grassy knoll, yet dismisses them all by stating

that the evidence from the 6th floor negates them (as

no gun/ bullets were found at the knoll) and that the

witnesses were caught in an echo chamber and, thus,

could not truly state with conviction where the shots

really came from---hmmm...;

c) Bugliosi deals, but not in exhaustive detail (ALL

the witnesses), with the notion of a puff of smoke by

the knoll by dismissing it as exhaust from an

overturned motorcycle...yet doesn't deal with those

who SMELLED GUNPOWDER ON/ NEAR THE KNOLL and, again,

the totality of the witnesses and the specific area(s)

on the knoll they saw the puff of smoke;

d) in a related matter, Bugliosi dismisses the

"hyperbole" of those who said hundreds of footprints

were behind the picket fence, yet Holland, Dodd, and

others ALSO said there was mud on bumper(s) of the car

(s)...and what about the TRUNKS OF THE CARS as a

hiding place????

e) Bugliosi doesn not satisfactorily dismiss the

notion that Ruby was mob connected--a good job, but

not a through,covering-all-the-bases job;

f) NO ONE in the research community is even as

impressed as I am with his book (!), already writing

rebuttals (more to follow, I am sure): SEE VERY BOTTOM

OF E-MAIL FOR REVIEWS SO FAR

Here are the instances he talks about me:

"Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President

John F.

Kennedy" (2007) by Vincent Bugliosi:

Six pages (inc. the Bibliography) in Talbot's fine

book and (book #42-- in) in Bugliosi's new massive

tome (at 14 pages, inc. the Bibliography). Vince was

suprisingly pretty nice to me---oh, don't get me

wrong: he DOES criticize me, but he was far kinder

than I could have ever imagined (esp. compared to

Groden et al); only Aguilar and Tink seem to have

fared better in the

"conspiracy crowd," so to speak. I guess because the

bottom line is this: OSWALD OR NO OSWALD, CONSPIRACY

OR NO

CONSPIRACY, THE SECRET SERVICE FAILED AND JFK WAS

KILLED...which is why ***my*** work holds up, either

way. But, like I said, despite my troubled feelings, I

am still on your side and I haven't converted!!!

pages XV [page 3, endnotes disc] "One should not

confuse the literally thousands of conspiracy

buffs---who, it must be said, here and there have come

up with worthwhile information overlooked by the

authorities, but who desperately want there to be a

conspiracy and are allergic to anthing that points

away from one---with the much smaller number of

assassination researchers, serious students of the

assassination whose primary agenda (though many are

fervently hoping to find a conspiracy) is to ferret

out the truth." Among names such as Paul Hoch, Josiah

Thompson, Drs. Aguilar & Mantik, and Walt Brown: Vince

Palamara.

page146 [source notes disc]: 3 references, including

my work in "Murder In Dealey Plaza", my book, and my

Sept 1997 "Fourth Decade" article

page 403 footnote: credits my letter to Dr. Donald

Seldin (see also the index, page 1599)

page 404: nicely credits my original research on Dr.

William Zedelitz (see also the final page in his book,

page 1612 index)

page 408: credits my letter to Dr. Ronald Coy Jones

page 711 [endnotes disc] "no index or even page

numbers: In 2005, Vincent Palamara put out a revised

edition of his book with page numbers and changed the

title to Survivor's Guilt: The Secret Service and the

Failure to Protect the President."

page 998 footnote: I am one of the select few noted as

one of the "new wave" of researchers and, when

speaking of Fetzer, Bugliosi states that he "wisely

gathered the best technical minds of the conspiracy

community to write scholarly essays in the books that

he edits"...and, as we know, I have TWO chapters in

MIDP [plus favorable mentions in several of the other

essays](and several sentences, here and there, in his

other two books).

pages 1242-1243: mentions my work--- "Only one book I

am aware of, Vince Palamara's "Third Alternative-

Survivor's Guilt: The Secret Service & The JFK

Murder", is devoted solely to the Secret Service's

role in the case. From his EXHAUSTIVE

INVESTIGATION [my emphasis], Palamara ENDS UP FINDING

THE SECRET SERVICE GUILTY OF INCOMPETENCE [my

emphasis], not complicity in the murder. Although

Palamara SEEMS HONEST AND INTELLIGENT [my emphasis---

thanks, Vince

also-of-Italian-heritage-who-has-8-letters-

in-his-last name lol], and his 1993 book IS REASONABLY

WELL RESEACHED [my

emphasis---thanks, again; high praise,

indeed]..."Vince B. goes on to say that my book was

difficult to read and had no page

numbers [again, he recieved a 'special' 1998 'deluxe'

edition, largely a compilation of articles

(shoe-string budget and sacrificed

form for content)...still better than the even-slimmer

1993 version: yuk! (see page 711, above) ]. He lists

some of my areas of contention and ends with "and so

on"...all his criticisms are addressed and refuted, in

detail, in my ***2005*** book. Also, among several

former Secret Service agents who AGREE with my take on

the bubbletop, another can now be added to the list:

William Carter ["I assume your theory on the bubbletop

was that had it been on the car it was not bullet

proof. True, however, I contend at the angle of the

shot it would have altered the course of the bullet...

I did the advance with Win Lawson in Little Rock 6

weeks prior to Dallas and I had complete confidence in

him and considered him one of our best

agents."---4/6/07 e-mail from Carter to Palamara]

Vince B. then writes: "Palamara, moving almost

exclusively in the world of conspiracy

theorists...PROCEEDED REASONALY WELL IN HIS

ASSASSINATION RESEARCH [my emphasis; again, thanks,

Vince; I am a saint compared to what he thinks of

Groden, Horne, Lifton et al LOL]..." then mentions

SAIC of the Miami office John Marshall [former WHD

agent, friend of Floyd Boring since PA State Trooper

days!] STATEMENT TO THE HSCA THAT, FOR ALL HE KNEW,

SOMEONE IN THE SECRET SERVICE COULD HAVE BEEN INVOLVED

[AS I DULY NOTE IN MY WORK]!!!! Vince B.'s

conclusion????---

"Could have, schmood have."---?!?!?!

So, needless to say, I am delighted with my

treatment.(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

page 1276: (rightly) criticizes my lack of specific

source for walkie- talkie statement, a hazard of the

original, inferior 1993

Kinko's self- published Cliff Notes version (although

Bugliosi had a SLIGHTLY better "deluxe"--for the time

[1998]---version to work with, which he called Andy

and purchased by request, much to my bemused delight

back then lol)...THE SOURCE IS "CROSSFIRE", PAGE 250,

since noted from 2000 onward [bugliosi DOES note, on

page 711 of his source note disc, that I came out with

a page-numbered [!!!], updated version of my book--

with different title---in 2005];

page 1529 (Bibliography): lists my book

page1592 (index)-me

page 1603 (index)---one title of my book

page 1604 (index)---other title of my book

Also:

page 59 note: while buying the 'official' notion that

JFK ordered the agents off the car [!], Bugliosi notes

"the agent standing on the

RIGHT REAR [his emphasis] step would have blocked

Oswald's sight on Kennedy's head," once again proving

my point

His small Secret Service chapter (pages 1239-1247)---

page 1241:

offers the caveat "even if it could be shown that the

Secret Service WAS [my emphasis] responsible for

selection of

luncheon site and motorcade route," what would be

their motive?---see my work

vince palamara

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_Palamara

Vince,

In a 5/27/98 post on alt.conspiracy.jfk, you commended author Richard Trask for his book “That Day in Dallas.” You referred to p. 34 of this book and said, "Agent Thomas “Lem” Johns is seen running toward the camera car. . ." (as captured in Tom Dillard's photo with a man in the street running alongside camera car #1). Unfortunately, you were wrong. It was not Johns but rather White House cameraman Tom Atkins.

Then five and a half years later in an 11/27/03 post on the same alt.conspiracy.jfk forum, you said Johns "was left behind VERY briefly on the ROAD and hitched a ride in one of the camera cars as verified by the film record" (emphasis yours). You never clarified at this later time just why you believed the film record verified this, so one can only assume that you were still under the mistaken impression that Atkins was Johns in the Dillard photo.

It's a little hard for me to believe that in five and a half years no one in the entire research community ever advised you -- or that you never found out in any other way -- that you were wrong back in 1998, i.e. that Lem Johns is not the man seen running alongside camera car #1 in Dillard's photo. But maybe no one did, and maybe you never became aware of any evidence that you were wrong.

The problem is, you've been on the record, and apparently still are, with incorrect information that has helped to unnecessarily quash an important area of research.

Here's the correct information. The film and photo record does NOT verify that Lem Johns hitched a ride out of Dealey Plaza in camera car #1 that day. That's not to say that he didn't. It's just that no photo or film frame taken that day captures him in that car from the time it approaches the grassy knoll until it is about to enter the triple underpass.

So. . . Have you, by any chance, cleared up all this confusion at any time since 11/27/03 and admitted that you were in error? If you have, and I've missed it, then my apologies. If not, then now is the time to set the record straight.

Do you agree that the film and photo record does NOT verify that Lem Johns left Dealey Plaza in camera car #1? Or are you still of the same opinion? If so, then why?

Thanks.

Ken

Hi Ken,

Yes, several (many? LOL) of my early online (newsgroup) errors have since been corrected via my online books and so forth (I always considered myself to be a 'work-in-progress'...aren't we all? lol). I SPOKE TO LEM JOHNS IN 2004: he told me adamantly that he was only on the road a mere few ***seconds***, time enough to catch his ride, never leaving the road...so much for those who think he was the agent of unknown repute. The allegation (that ***Johns*** was the mysterious agent by the knoll and so forth) has been quashed. Time to move on.

vince

Vince,

Thanks for the response. But you didn’t answer my question. Here it is once again.

**Do you agree that the film and photo record does NOT verify that Lem Johns left Dealey Plaza in camera car #1?**

I’m not saying that Lem wasn’t in the car. I’m merely referring to what the known photographic record shows. You said it verified that he was in the car. And you were mistaken. But so far no retraction that I can find.

Please answer the question. Then I can, as you say, move on.

Ken

I retract it (actually, I did years ago)!!!! This was based on information provided to me by others at the time.

**Do you agree that the film and photo record does NOT verify that Lem Johns left Dealey Plaza in camera car #1?**YES

vince