Vince Palamara

June 20, 2007

The destruction of a target -- human or otherwise -- protected by a relatively competent, large (and therefore impossible to corrupt en masse) professional security force is wholly dependent for success upon the stripping of that force.
Security stripping phenomena in Dallas (JFK) and Memphis (MLK) have been documented by Vince Palamara and Philip Melanson, respectively. As for RFK, security was virtually non-existant.

Regardless of what you may know/believe/assume about the destructions of the WTC buildings, the Pentagon, and Diana, security was stripped from those usually well protected targets immediately prior to their respective demises.

What, if anything, does this tell us about the nature of these events?

Charles

I love the way you think and write, Charles. Whenever I think of clear, articulate speaking, Robert DeNiro [your idol as mentioned at Fredonia], or jazz music, I think of you LOL

Thanks...and I think you are right (of course). One thing it DOES tell us---regardless of your 'theory' (official government stance or otherwise), if proper security and advance work (like heeding warnings and threats) would have been done, these tragedies would have been prevented.

vince palamara

June 19, 2007

Check it out---

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vince_Palamara

vince palamara

June 19, 2007

Vince,
In a 5/27/98 post on alt.conspiracy.jfk, you commended author Richard Trask for his book “That Day in Dallas.” You referred to p. 34 of this book and said, "Agent Thomas “Lem” Johns is seen running toward the camera car. . ." (as captured in Tom Dillard's photo with a man in the street running alongside camera car #1). Unfortunately, you were wrong. It was not Johns but rather White House cameraman Tom Atkins.

Then five and a half years later in an 11/27/03 post on the same alt.conspiracy.jfk forum, you said Johns "was left behind VERY briefly on the ROAD and hitched a ride in one of the camera cars as verified by the film record" (emphasis yours). You never clarified at this later time just why you believed the film record verified this, so one can only assume that you were still under the mistaken impression that Atkins was Johns in the Dillard photo.

It's a little hard for me to believe that in five and a half years no one in the entire research community ever advised you -- or that you never found out in any other way -- that you were wrong back in 1998, i.e. that Lem Johns is not the man seen running alongside camera car #1 in Dillard's photo. But maybe no one did, and maybe you never became aware of any evidence that you were wrong.

The problem is, you've been on the record, and apparently still are, with incorrect information that has helped to unnecessarily quash an important area of research.

Here's the correct information. The film and photo record does NOT verify that Lem Johns hitched a ride out of Dealey Plaza in camera car #1 that day. That's not to say that he didn't. It's just that no photo or film frame taken that day captures him in that car from the time it approaches the grassy knoll until it is about to enter the triple underpass.

So. . . Have you, by any chance, cleared up all this confusion at any time since 11/27/03 and admitted that you were in error? If you have, and I've missed it, then my apologies. If not, then now is the time to set the record straight.

Do you agree that the film and photo record does NOT verify that Lem Johns left Dealey Plaza in camera car #1? Or are you still of the same opinion? If so, then why?

Thanks.

Ken

Hi Ken,

Yes, several (many? LOL) of my early online (newsgroup) errors have since been corrected via my online books and so forth (I always considered myself to be a 'work-in-progress'...aren't we all? lol). I SPOKE TO LEM JOHNS IN 2004: he told me adamantly that he was only on the road a mere few ***seconds***, time enough to catch his ride, never leaving the road...so much for those who think he was the agent of unknown repute. The allegation (that ***Johns*** was the mysterious agent by the knoll and so forth) has been quashed. Time to move on.

vince

June 18, 2007

Welcome Vince.i,too,am a huge fan of your outstanding body of work.I agree with Mr. Jack White that your compilation of witnesses stating that the limo stopped is a crucial piece in debunking the official story and shedding light on how the moments that ended JFK's life played out.A couple of other areas you've touched on that intrigue me greatly are the Rybka stand down ordeal when leaving the airport and the early reports of the "dead SS agent".In regards to the Rybka incident,i first became aware of this after veiwing your piece in TMWKK.To me,the Rybka ordeal is as important as any in exposing how JFK was stripped of his closest protection just moments before he was murdered.Can you add anything on Rybka? is he still alive? if not,when did he die? are there any surviving family members of Rybka? was the scenerio involving Rybka at the airport discussed by the Warren Commission or the HSCA? when was the Rybka/airport scene first known by researchers?..........and with regards to the early reports of a " dead secrect service agent",if this report was true it would make the lone nut assassin theory that more difficult to prove.Why would this be reported early on if it were not true?'It's obvious why the official story would want to discredit the "dead SS agent" story but why would this be out there in the beginning if there wasn't a legitimate reason? Thanks again, Vince. Mark

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Thanks; much appreciated (that compilation of witnesses was basically the first major paper I ever did, started in 1991).

Rybka died 12/25/75 of a heart attack. Debra Conway alleged (via e-mail), seemingly offhand years ago, that Rybka's family contacted her but, when I asked her for details, I never recieved them. The WC, the HSCA, and everyone else didn't even mention the Rybka/ Roberts incident until I first brought it up in 1994 (at COPA in 1995)--as former agent Larry Newman told me, "I had never seen that before" and didn't have any explanation for it.

See my online book for more details re: this and the dead agent 'stories'. The 'stories' may be ultimately untrue, but they provided a cover story for the Secret Service to take the President's body under their control, etc.

vince;)

June 18, 2007

Vince,
A warm welcome to you.

FWIW, I place you at the top of my list of researchers I most admire, along with the likes of Mark Lane, Penn Jones, Jim Garrison, Larry Hancock, John Simkin, among a select group.

Although I don't have Survivors Guilt, I have read most of it online and once again complement you on an outstanding piece of research, on one of most difficult areas of reseach surrounding the JFK assassination.

I won't bombard you with a series of questions but instead just ask one,

There are many 'people of interest' within the SS. Emory Roberts, Bill Greer, Paul Paterni, David Grant, Floyd Boring to name a few. My question is do you think that the sudden appearance of Democratic National Committee representative Jack Puterbaugh in the lead car was suspicious?

I ask this because of my personal suspicion that the DNC, being largely funded by wealthy interests, may have been a part of the plot.

There's no hurry, as you will probably be asked a lot of questions.

Once again, welcome to the Forum.

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Thanks so much. <_<

Hmmm...I'm not very suspicious of Jack Puterbaugh. Among other reasons, he said the "ballistics stuff doesn't add up" in the WC investigation and he just didn't seem to say or do anything to warrant suspicion.

vince:)

June 14, 2007

Myra,
Your choice of icon speaks to a familiarity with the joke in question.

Seriously -- and I'll say this directly to my friend Vince -- his endorsement of "Ultimate Sacrifice" is indeed a major gaff. Perhaps he would like to join our discussion and defend his assessment.

Charles

Yes Charles, and he flogged Ultimate Sacrifice within approximately 1 quadrillion other book reviews on Amazon so it's almost impossible to miss.

(Vince, if you don't post soon we'll just talk behind your back.)

:rolleyes: Hi, everyone. I deeply appreciate all the nice things you all had to say; it means alot. It is so nice to see Jerry Rose '91 vets (Nick and Charles)+ Jack White (Lancer '97), etc.

EXPLANATION TIME RE: "ULTIMATE SACRIFICE"---

I was very impressed with the depth of research (and some of the Secret Service/ Bolden info., most of which came from myself)...the CONCLUSIONS may not (necessarily) have held up as much, circa 2007, but, then again, I am a huge fan of several books for their RESEARCH, not so much the ultimate conclusion (s) contained therein. O.k., I confess: I guess I went a little overboard with the mass "Ultimate Sacrifice is the best book" Amazon reviews lol---this is what happens when you have idle time at work LOL...at that particular juncture, late 2005, I was absolutely CONVINCED that this was going to be THE last major book on the case (honest)...so, warts and all, I wanted to give it a huge "send off", so to speak. This is NOT to excuse my gushing endorsement---time has been kind to the research aspect of the book (and, as David Talbot has even confessed, many 'little gems' contained therein; let's not throw the baby out with the bathwatwer, so to speak), perhaps not the main conclusion (s).

Speaking of David Talbot, whose book I love, he phoned me in early 2005 re: his book in progress...and, honestly, I thought "Ultimate Sacrifice" would steal his thunder and his book would never see the light of day (I was absolutely convinced that Waldron and Hartmann's book was THE last major book on the case...there WAS a drought post-Posner, and I didn't even think Bugliosi's would come out [his book is incredible for length, research and being the best LHO-did-it book...BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN i AGREE WITH HIS CONCLUSIONS!!!!! ]

So, if I had to do it over again, I would have kept the main review at the "Ultimate Sacrifice" cite and perhaps toned down the other reviews lol. Again, an idle mind is a devil's workshop...and posting reviews at Amazon is easy and free:)

Remember, it is the context of the time that determines one's destiny...

vince palamara :rolleyes:

P.S. I DON'T HAVE A HOME COMPUTER (BY CHOICE---LONG STORY) AND I WORK FULL TIME, SO PLEASE BE PATIENT WITH ME LOL

June 14, 2007

Myra,
Your choice of icon speaks to a familiarity with the joke in question.

Seriously -- and I'll say this directly to my friend Vince -- his endorsement of "Ultimate Sacrifice" is indeed a major gaff. Perhaps he would like to join our discussion and defend his assessment.

Charles

Yes Charles, and he flogged Ultimate Sacrifice within approximately 1 quadrillion other book reviews on Amazon so it's almost impossible to miss.

(Vince, if you don't post soon we'll just talk behind your back.)

:rolleyes: Hi, everyone. I deeply appreciate all the nice things you all had to say; it means alot. It is so nice to see Jerry Rose '91 vets (Nick and Charles)+ Jack White (Lancer '97), etc.

EXPLANATION TIME RE: "ULTIMATE SACRIFICE"---

I was very impressed with the depth of research (and some of the Secret Service/ Bolden info., most of which came from myself)...the CONCLUSIONS may not (necessarily) have held up as much, circa 2007, but, then again, I am a huge fan of several books for their RESEARCH, not so much the ultimate conclusion (s) contained therein. O.k., I confess: I guess I went a little overboard with the mass "Ultimate Sacrifice is the best book" Amazon reviews lol---this is what happens when you have idle time at work LOL...at that particular juncture, late 2005, I was absolutely CONVINCED that this was going to be THE last major book on the case (honest)...so, warts and all, I wanted to give it a huge "send off", so to speak. This is NOT to excuse my gushing endorsement---time has been kind to the research aspect of the book (and, as David Talbot has even confessed, many 'little gems' contained therein; let's not throw the baby out with the bathwatwer, so to speak), perhaps not the main conclusion (s).

Speaking of David Talbot, whose book I love, he phoned me in early 2005 re: his book in progress...and, honestly, I thought "Ultimate Sacrifice" would steal his thunder and his book would never see the light of day (I was absolutely convinced that Waldron and Hartmann's book was THE last major book on the case...there WAS a drought post-Posner, and I didn't even think Bugliosi's would come out [his book is incredible for length, research and being the best LHO-did-it book...BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN i AGREE WITH HIS CONCLUSIONS!!!!! ]

So, if I had to do it over again, I would have kept the main review at the "Ultimate Sacrifice" cite and perhaps toned down the other reviews lol. Again, and idle mind is a devil's workshop...and posting reviews at Amazon is easy and free:)

Remember, it is the context of the time that determines one's destiny...

vince palamara :rolleyes:

June 13, 2007

A native of Pittsburgh, PA, Vince Palamara graduated from Duquesne University in 1988 with a degree in Sociology. Although not even born when President John F. Kennedy was brutally assassinated, Vince brings fresh eyes to an old case. In fact, Vince would go on to study the largely overlooked actions - and inactions - of the United States Secret Service in unprecedented detail, as well as achieving a world's record in the process, having interviewed and corresponded with over SEVENTY former agents (the HSCA had the old record of 46 with a 6 million dollar budget and supboena power from Congress), not to mention many surviving family members, White House aides, and even quite a few Parkland and Bethesda medical witnesses for a corresponding project. The result was "Survivor's Guilt; The Secret Service & The Failure To Protect The President", a very successful self-published book that sold thousands of copies in the 1990's before becoming a free online e-book in

2006:

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v4n1.html

In addition, the aforementioned corresponding project on the JFK assassination medical evidence, "JFK: The Medical Evidence Reference", Vince's second book, although almost an afterthought to Vince's main area of research, still sold hundreds of copies and was favorably mentioned in books by William Law, R. Andrew Kiel, Prof. James Fetzer, and even Vince Bugliosi. Like his first book, Vince's medical evidence tome became a free online e-book in 2006:

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v4n2.html

All told, Vince has been favorably mentioned in over 42 JFK and Secret Service related books to date (including two whole chapters in "Murder In Dealey Plaza", "The Secret Service: The Hidden History Of An Enigmatic Agency" by Prof. Philip Melanson, and the Final Report of the Assassination Records Review Board, among many others), often at length, in the bibliographies, and in the Secret Service - and even medical evidence - areas of these works. Vince has appeared on the History Channel, local cable access television, YouTube, radio, newspapers, print journals, at national conferences, and all over the internet. Also, Vince's original research materials, or copies of said materials, are stored in the National Archives (by request under Deed Of Gift by the ARRB), the JFK Library, Harvard University, the AARC, and the Dallas Public Library. In that time, Vince Palamara has become known (as he was dubbed by the History Channel in 2003) "the Secret Service expert." As former JFK Secret Service agent Joe Paolella proclaimed: "You seem to know a lot about the Secret Service, maybe even more than I do," while fellow JFK Secret Service agent Chuck Zboril stated" "You might be helpful to the official Secret Service historian who works out of Washington!"

Here are some other important links (ALSO: my [edited] 5-part 3/22/07 major presentation from Slippery Rock University, as well as my 2003 History Channel appearance, is available online via YouTube; the links are included):

http://www.jfk-assassination.net/palamara/ssrosters.html

http://www.jfk-assassination.net/palamara/motorcycles.html

http://www.jfk-assassination.net/palamara/greer.html

http://www.jfk-assassination.net/palamara/roberts.html

http://www.jfk-info.com/palam1.htm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QAWiIRgx0g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPUkUgYvy8k

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ej9Er4-pIgY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fS2F0Ej5sfw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GSUZaDWj_FA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ge12EWmzayY

http://dabble.com/node/11591863