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Survivor's Guilt: The Secret Service & The Failure To Protect The President
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God Bless Barack Obama, "Sully" Sullenberger, the memory of JFK, John Simkin, and the Nation
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I'll tell you this: a good many fellow researchers are doing their very best to "UNconvince" me of my regard for Bugliosi's book...and it is starting to have an effect. As I alluded to before, the back-of-the-head witnesses and the Sylvia Odio incident still trouble me.
Bugliosi's book just totally caught me off guard---I did not expect such a well-written, LENGTHY indictment of Oswald that was so all-encompassing (I kept a legal pad of all the areas I wanted him to cover...and, to my astonishment, between the text and the disc, he did). I may already be heading for the Anthony Summers/ Tink Thompson "agnostic" viewpoint, so that is progress from my adamant reversal LOL
Vince
I can't fathom how someone with your apparent attention to at least some of the details of that day [i have NO idea how much you know of non-SS related matters] could come up with the one-foot-in-both-camps conclusion of LHO being the lone assassin who beat-out the others lurking in Dallas and elsewhere.Staking out a niche market. The one Foot In Both camps brigade are now accommodated.
It really stretches credulity. It is as if a number of 'lone' assassins sort of had some vague knowledge of the others, but fought to be first and win the prize of the turkey shoot. Lee 'won' in Dallas [those on the GK must have been mad as hell!]; after some others having lost-out in other cities. Ruby gave him the prize. [Ruby and the DPD men who let him in had lost their bets.] A whole new industry for a quasi-conspiracy book genre has been created. The SS were only involved to the extent they took bets on who would win via their betting parlor markers. Roselli was in charge of the betting and Morales, Harvey, Phillips, Bishop, et al. were only sending agents to be the first to know who had won. Another betting parlor group was run by Bannister and Shaw in N.O. with Ferrie and friends as croupiers. Nagell got 'out' as he knew his bet was lost. The Oswald doubles were there to confuse and confound some of the betters. UM and DCM were betting on Lee and hedging their bets. Prouty was sent to Antartica, as he was opposed to betting. The Paines only manipulating Oswald and Martina in order to maximize their profits. The jamming of DPD channels and phones in D.C. were to confound angry loosers on their bets. Winning DPD officers arrested Oswald in the theatre in order to get their winnings early. Tippit was a big looser with a 'beef' that he was misled.......and so on. Officers changed the type of gun in a futile attempt to save their lost bets and detroyed and tampered with evidence in last-ditch efforts in the same vein.
All of the suspected CIA, FBI, JCS, NSA, SS, DPD, MI, Ultra-Right, Nazis, SOF, and anti-Castro Cubans [and others] only had a 'sporting interest' in the event....rather than any actual involvment. [This also explains all the interesting onlookers in the Plaza waiting to see the outcome and how their bets would make-out with their own eyes] I'll bet the odds were on Lee....maybe THAT was the conspiracy...the event was 'fixed'! Martino and others had inside info on this fact. The cover-up from that day to this has only been to keep from the American Public the largescale betting on political events and assassinations by insiders. Even the tampering with films and photos were to disguise people exchanging money and markers. Case Resolved.
Everyone go back to John Le Carre novels, The Green Felt Jungle, and endless re-readings of Alice In Wonderland. Bartender make mine a double - I've wasted the greater part of my life on a phantom and wild goosechase - when the truth was always so obvious, so innocent and so clear.....I've now seen the light and am saved further as of my time and mental energies. The light of truth is blinding....America is pure and innocent. [if a bit addicted to gambling]. This also explains the other assassinations and even 911. I feel unburdened for the first time in decades.
Sorry Vince, I'm not at all conVINCEd! [by any 'Vince'].
Rick: How can you close me up? On what grounds?
Captain Renault: I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!
[a croupier hands Renault a pile of money]
Croupier: Your winnings, sir.
Captain Renault: [sotto voce] Oh, thank you very much.
[aloud]
Captain Renault: Everybody out at once!
Captain Renault: What in heaven's name brought you to Casablanca?
Rick: My health. I came to Casablanca for the waters.
Captain Renault: The waters? What waters? We're in the desert.
Rick: I was misinformed.
- Casablanca [1942]
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First, I want to apologize for all my "hit and run" postings (especially regarding my YouTube videos): I never seem to stay and chat...could be because I am somewhat "handicapped" by not having a home pc (by choice; while I still have the net on my cell phone, I used to spend waaaay too much time on it, so I have learned some restraint and do other things LOL).
I WILL say this: all the postings I read (especially about the Odio incident and the back of the head issues) are compelling...Vince Bugliosi's book just truly floored me. Perhaps I need to keep my self-professed open mind even more open than it already is.
I also have to say: yes, i do have an ego...but it's mostly online; in person, you would say to yourself, "Gee, Vince, you don't seem at all like the egotistical bastard you are on the net" LOL. Always remember this; often, a so-called ego masks insecurities...
The net is a free and fun way to advertise yourself (as Nixon said, history belongs to those who write it for themselves, or something like that); guess I get carried away sometimes...Like I have been telling everyone, since at least 1995, I have been saying/ writing "Oswald or no Oswald, conspiracy or no conspiracy, my work still holds up"...for it is an examination of what the Secret Service did and did not do that cost the nation its president. That said, I STILL BELIEVE THERE WERE CONSPIRACIES TO KILL JFK BREWING...just that, as much as it pains me to say (still), Oswald beat them to the punch. To me, a TRUE "lone-nutter" is a jerk who feels Oswald acted alone AND THERE WERE NO THREATS TO JFK...if i still believe that there were mortal threats to JFK, I am not a true lone nutter.
I AM making a ton of things available free online (my book, articles, videos, etc.), as I always have, because I like to share information.
I am very sorry if I upset or pissed people off with my book blurb or endorsement of Bugliosi's book. Remember: i am only one man, armed with an opinion...and you know what they say about opinions
Vince Palamara
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I sort of / kind of still have a band---my best friend sings and plays keyboards: we still get together (we were THE core of all of my major bands). So, between YouTube, MySpace, etc., it is still like we are a full fledged band LOL
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In this major gem from the Vince Palamara archives, Vince uncovers the only television interview of Dr. Malcolm Perry that still exists: a very rare clip from a "Texas News" newsreel from 11/23/63, the day after the assassination. Amazing! [note: slight audio buzz appears on the original]
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In this rare clip from the vast Vince Palamara archives, Vince uncovers a real gem: a classic segment from a 1977 Canadian tv show "The Fifth Estate" featuring Peter Dale Scott and DPD Chief Jesse Curry in Dealey Plaza. Essential viewing!
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Another gem from the Vince Palamara archives: Vince interviewing Aubrey Rike, the Oneal Funeral Home employee who became famous via his inclusion in the works of Lifton, Livingstone, etc. Note the date (and location): 11/22/97, the 34th aniversary of the JFK assassination
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In a lengthy segment from a video shot by Vince Palamara, Vince shows Dealey Plaza (in Dallas, Texas) as it looked on 11/22/97, the 34th aniversary of the JFK assassination. Also of note is the startling replica limousine that begins and ends this video, the throng of people, the grassy knoll, the Triple Overpass, the Texas School Book Depository, and the general calm and serenity of this tragic landmark in American---and world---history.
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SEE ALL THE MANY OTHERS AT:
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18 new YouTube videos: inc. amazing Dr. Robert Shaw & DPD Curry statements+CLASSIC JOHN JUDGE (C-SPAN)
This ultra-rare classic from the vast Vince Palamara archives (trust
me, it's humongous!) finds Dr. Robert Shaw, Governor John Connally's
chief surgeon, in a Parkland Hospital press conference (WFAA/ ABC tv),
telling the amassed news media (and millions in tv land) that "the
bullet is in the leg: it hasn't been removed...it will be
removed...left thigh...before he goes to the recovery room [note the
time sequence!]"...what?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?! ?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!
Single Bullet Theory...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OyI0P6WYIY
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Another gem from the vast Vince Palamara archives: DPD Chief Jesse
Curry on 11/20/63, 2 days before the Kennedy assassination that
happened within feet of the car he was driving, warning the good
citizens of Dallas to behave themselves...his incredible and ironic
slip (?) "untoward accident, or incident" is amazing!!!! Note also the
"harmful or degrading" comment. Wolper, 1964
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In this classic from the vast Vince Palamara archives, John Judge
(COPA) gives an impassioned speech on C-Span's "JFK: Cinema as
History" (Jan. 1992). Enjoy!
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In this very interesting 2004 clip from the vast Vince Palamara
(Secret Service/ related) archives, Secret Service agent Clint Hill
emotionally talks about JFK and the tragedy of 11/22/63. Also
included: agents Jerry Parr, one of the heroes of 3/30/81, and Larry
Cockell, one of the "heroes" of the Lewinsky scandal!
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In this very ironic and interesting clip from the vast Vince Palamara
archives, a WFAA/ ABC reporter tells the local television audience
awaiting JFK for his 11/22/63 Fort Worth Chamber of Commerce speech [a
very short time before his assassination in Dallas] all about the
September 5 1901 assassination of President William McKinley, as well
as Secret Service procedures...how thoughtful of him-NOT!!!!!
Incredible and ironic, to say the least...not to mention incredibly
bad taste on the reporter's part.
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Another short gem from the Vince Palamara archives: NBC's Bill Ryan
telling millions of viewers that not having the top on the president's
car may have been a "tragic mistake." Indeed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqeWnsMsTvU
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In this amusing clip from the Vince Palamara archives, President Nixon
makes some silly statements during his 3/6/74 press conference (during
the height of the Watergate affair)...among them: "I've also quit
beating my wife!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tkpKO2MxJHQ
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In this classic clip of President Richard Nixon, during the height of
the Watergate affair, ole Tricky Dicky demonstrates his lack of
respect for the media. Enjoy!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxW44ghduIk
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An interesting video clip from the Vince Palamara archives: Secret
Service agent Jerry Parr (whom I spoke to: great guy) discussing both
the 11/22/63 JFK assassintion and, in more depth, the 3/30/81 attempt
on the life of President Reagan. The narrator is former Secret Service
agent Bob Snow (whom I corresponded with).
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In this interesting clip from the vast Vince Palamara (Secret Service)
archives, I demonstrate one of the numerous instances of media
disinformation regarding JFK and the Secret Service that one has had
to put up with since the days of the Warren Commission, Manchester,
Bishop, the HSCA, etc. This was made back in 1996 and, while I now
somewhat regret the silly editing of distinguished author James W.
Clarke, who wrote a fine book on political assassinations, no malice
intended and, warts and all, this television clip demonstrates, yet
again, the "JFK-as-scapegoat" theme I explored in my book.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPk1Pl_Z7_0
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see the rest here:
http://www.youtube.com/user/VincePalamara
such as...
Vince Palamara archives: JFK, the Secret Service & the media:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3RsC6OAZoo
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Vince Palamara archives: Betty Forsling Harris & Dave Powers:
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Vince Palamara archives: Secret Service Agent Winston Lawson:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwSAuRDsEZ0
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Vince Palamara archives: ABC's Haggerty re: Secret Service:
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Vince Palamara archives: JFK & the Secret Service- cute, sad:
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Vince Palamara archives: Secret Service agents Kinney & Hill:
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Vince Palamara archives: JFK SECRET SERVICE IDENTIFIER:
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Vince Palamara archives: LBJ with SAIC's Behn & Youngblood:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0mOExWLibU
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Vince Palamara archives: Reagan SAIC's Parr & DeProspero:
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Vince Palamara archives: Nancy Reagan & the Secret Service:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsmW3T4CYi8
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Vince Palamara archives: Fort Worth, JFK, Hill, Kellerman:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G_jZWIQQjo
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LAST, BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST-
Vince Palamara: Books & television...& Bugliosi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm842SWubNw
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See all my YouTube videos:
http://www.youtube.com/user/VincePalamara
VINCE PALAMARA YOUTUBE VIDEOS: SECRET SERVICE (AUDIO) INTERVIEWS---
FLOYD BORING:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMr9-Eg5NvE
GERALD BEHN:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdM6WXqXjIo
SAM KINNEY PART 1 OF 5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfH35258dRA
SAM KINNEY PART 2 OF 5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adoLU1P4HnI
SAM KINNEY PART 3 OF 5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C4mLWccskY
SAM KINNEY PART 4 OF 5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N7HXxd9lEw
SAM KINNEY PART 5 OF 5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdxlJN722GE
DONALD LAWTON PART 1 OF 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mqOG5yOeX0
DONALD LAWTON PART 2 OF 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfHw5d4Ribo
CHARLES ZBORIL PART 1 OF 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bKoPopQ4G8
CHARLES ZBORIL PART 2 OF 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxP2xFF9gpM
CHARLES ZBORIL PART 3 OF 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqFN4IjzUno
RICHARD GREER, SON OF THE LATE BILL GREER:
This is a REAL rarity from the Vince Palamara archives: This is
a REAL rarity from the Vince Palamara archives: in the only known
record of his speaking voice, former Secret Service agent William R.
"Bill" Greer, the inept driver of JFK's death car on 11/22/63, speaks
by phone to researcher Roy Ennis on 12/6/70 (for the self-published
book "Murder From Within")
Part 2 of this very rare gem from the vast Vince Palamara Secret
Service archives: researcher Roy Ennis 12/6/70 phone interview of
former Secret Service agent William R. "Bill" Greer, the inept driver
of JFK's death car on 11/22/63 (the only known recording of Bill
Greer's voice!) (more)
Vince Palamara unearths this gem from a rare 1976 CFTR (Canadian)
radio broadcast of a) Secret Service responsibilities on 11/22/63 and
a late 1975 interview with Roy Kellerman! (more) Vince Palamara unearths this rare gem from his archives: the HSCA's
G.
Robert Blakey talking about the Secret Service as an intro. to the
staff interview of Secret Service Inspector/ Asst. Dir. Thomas
Kelley(9/78) (more)
Vince Palamara unearths yet another gem from his vast personal Secret
Service archives: Chief James J. Rowley's testimony before the HSCA
in
September 1978 (more)
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Vince Palamara archives: JFK, the Secret Service & the media:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b3RsC6OAZoo
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Vince Palamara archives: Betty Forsling Harris & Dave Powers:
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Vince Palamara archives: Secret Service Agent Winston Lawson:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwSAuRDsEZ0
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Vince Palamara archives: ABC's Haggerty re: Secret Service:
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Vince Palamara archives: JFK & the Secret Service- cute, sad:
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Vince Palamara archives: Secret Service agents Kinney & Hill:
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Vince Palamara archives: JFK SECRET SERVICE IDENTIFIER:
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Vince Palamara archives: LBJ with SAIC's Behn & Youngblood:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0mOExWLibU
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Vince Palamara archives: Reagan SAIC's Parr & DeProspero:
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Vince Palamara archives: Nancy Reagan & the Secret Service:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CsmW3T4CYi8
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Vince Palamara archives: Fort Worth, JFK, Hill, Kellerman:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_G_jZWIQQjo
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LAST, BUT CERTAINLY NOT LEAST-
Vince Palamara: Books & television...& Bugliosi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zm842SWubNw
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See all my YouTube videos:
http://www.youtube.com/user/VincePalamara
VINCE PALAMARA YOUTUBE VIDEOS: SECRET SERVICE (AUDIO) INTERVIEWS---
FLOYD BORING:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PMr9-Eg5NvE
GERALD BEHN:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdM6WXqXjIo
SAM KINNEY PART 1 OF 5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfH35258dRA
SAM KINNEY PART 2 OF 5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adoLU1P4HnI
SAM KINNEY PART 3 OF 5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5C4mLWccskY
SAM KINNEY PART 4 OF 5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-N7HXxd9lEw
SAM KINNEY PART 5 OF 5:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdxlJN722GE
DONALD LAWTON PART 1 OF 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1mqOG5yOeX0
DONALD LAWTON PART 2 OF 2:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IfHw5d4Ribo
CHARLES ZBORIL PART 1 OF 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8bKoPopQ4G8
CHARLES ZBORIL PART 2 OF 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxP2xFF9gpM
CHARLES ZBORIL PART 3 OF 3:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqFN4IjzUno
RICHARD GREER, SON OF THE LATE BILL GREER:
This is a REAL rarity from the Vince Palamara archives: This is
a REAL rarity from the Vince Palamara archives: in the only known
record of his speaking voice, former Secret Service agent William R.
"Bill" Greer, the inept driver of JFK's death car on 11/22/63, speaks
by phone to researcher Roy Ennis on 12/6/70 (for the self-published
book "Murder From Within")
Part 2 of this very rare gem from the vast Vince Palamara Secret
Service archives: researcher Roy Ennis 12/6/70 phone interview of
former Secret Service agent William R. "Bill" Greer, the inept driver
of JFK's death car on 11/22/63 (the only known recording of Bill
Greer's voice!) (more)
Vince Palamara unearths this gem from a rare 1976 CFTR (Canadian)
radio broadcast of a) Secret Service responsibilities on 11/22/63 and
a late 1975 interview with Roy Kellerman! (more) Vince Palamara unearths this rare gem from his archives: the HSCA's
G.
Robert Blakey talking about the Secret Service as an intro. to the
staff interview of Secret Service Inspector/ Asst. Dir. Thomas
Kelley(9/78) (more)
Vince Palamara unearths yet another gem from his vast personal Secret
Service archives: Chief James J. Rowley's testimony before the HSCA
in
September 1978 (more)
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Hi, Ray:
Boy, if it were only that easy LOL. It was not one, two, or 14 things that swayed me...it was the totality (quality and quantity) of Bugliosi's book (text/ source notes...I checked 'em all). If we held every conspiracy book to the same rigid standard some are applying to Bugliosi's book, I wonder how many would hold up.
Since 1995, I have offered my "caveat" that "Oswald or no Oswald", my work holds up...the same exact way people find value in lone-nutter Trask's work, I know they feel the same way about my work. Although more forcefully stated recently, the groundwork for my 'turnaround' was there 13 years ago...and, once again, I am not entirely a lone-nutter (there were conspiracies and threats to JFK...it's just that Oswald beat them to the punch)
Vince
But, again, I read the book, I came, I saw, and I was conquered.Hi Vince:
A number of people have observed that, in endorsing Bugliosi's (i.e. the Warren Commission's) theory, you made no comment on what it was precisely in Bugliosi's book that influenced your opinion.
Bugliosi produced no new evidence that I can think of, and in fact he makes a complete fool of himself on the NAA/bullet lead issue, so inquiring minds are wondering if you could identify one or two key issues where you felt that Bugliosi has, after 45 years of confusion, clinched the case.
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Hey, I'm not that young: 41 going on 42 (it's hereditary: my mom is 70 and looks 55) ;-)
You wrote:
"my question is: have you read the better books on the 'other side' and if not, why not?" Yes, I have read---and own---them all.
"Fasten [y]our seatbelt, as I think you're about to hit some turbulance from many who once thought highly of your work." It has already begun LOL. Still, I have yet to see one researcher divorcing themselves from my work based on my latest opinions (i,.e. Most everyone takes information of value from Trask, The WR, the HSCA Report, etc. regardless of their disagreement on the ultimate conclusions of the works in question)
Vince Palamara
As you know I don't know you as a person, nor you me. I find your 'explanation' rather hard to swallow after haveing read your great work in the SS.You said, "It is as simple as this: I read the Warren Report, the HSCA Report, David Belin's books, Jim Moore, and Gerald Posner, and, while I was disturbed, I was not ultimately swayed because they left many holes for us to plug, so to speak. I came to Vince Bugliosi's book EXTREMELY skeptical, to put it mildly...but the book won me over..."
Rather than make a statement at this point, my question is: have you read the better books on the 'other side' and if not, why not?
Jan is correct on VB's error about Manson [not to mention IMO, totally wrong about Dallas]. Posner wrote a book about Mengele before his many on Dallas and it was also an apologia for the CIA.....your in very strange company, young man. Best to you. Fasten our seatbelt, as I think you're about to hit some turbulance from many who once thought highly of your work.
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Hello everyone:
All I can say is "wow" [or OMG in computer-speak]: I cannot believe the number of e-mails, forum messages, YouTube comments/ messages, etc. I have received regarding my comments on Bugliosi's book. I don't know where exactly to begin, so, typical of my chaotic writing style, I will start from wherever and finish somewhere LOL.
First of all, I have to say this forecefully: I am still your friend (even if you don't care to be mine); no nasty rejoinders, comments, or anything like that from me, trust me. My goal is to surpass Richard Trask as the nicest "lone-nutter" in the research community (he is virtually the only one from the "dark" side CTers still like and respect, to a great extent)! Second, as Gil Jesus will back me up on this one (I e-mailed him the following) and, what's more, it's even in the YouTube message: I STILL STRONGLY BELIEVE THERE WERE MORTAL THREATS AND CONSPIRACIES (PLURAL) TO KILL JFK THAT WERE BREWING/ IN MOTION JUST BEFORE/ CONCURRENT WITH 11/22/63...just that, as much as it pains me to admit (trust me, it does), Oswald beat everyone to the punch. So, in THAT regard, I am hardly a lone nutter, per se. To make an analogy: several groups were planning to rob the First National Bank of Boston, but some lone individual pulled off the caper before they got the chance to enact their nefarious schemes. Third, I (OBVIOUSLY) STILL STRONGLY BELIEVE THAT THE SECRET SERVICE'S GROSS NEGLIGENCE LED TO THE DEATH OF JFK *AND* THERE INEPT HANDLING OF PRE-11/22/63 THREATS TO JFK AIDED AND ABETTED BOTH OSWALD *AND* THE POTENTIAL (SEPARATE) CONSPIRATORS WHO WERE, FOR VARIOUS REASONS, UNABLE TO SEE THEIR GOAL COME TO FRUITION (BUT LOVED THE FACT THAT OSWALD DID THEIR DIRTY WORK). Fourth, I REALLY AND TRULY READ VINCE BUGLIOSI'S BOOK: EVERY WORD, EVERY SOURCE NOTE, FOOTNOTE...EVERY DETAIL...DID YOU???? Or did you dismiss it out of hand, skim it, or rely on just the nasty CT book reviews for your, ahem, "reading" of his book? Well (answer truthfully)? From 1978 to April 2007, I adamantly and forcefully believed there was a conspiracy in DALLAS and that Oswald, if he acted at all (which I highly doubted), did NOT act alone. I don't know what my friend Jack White was referring to earlier: limited hangout???? From me???? I am on record, many times on the net, in conference appearances, e-mails, etc. as espousing a firm belief that there was a conspiracy in DALLAS...and, in a strong way, I AM STILL ESPOUSING ONE---AGAIN, I STILL STRONGLY BELIEVE THERE WERE MORTAL THREATS AND CONSPIRACIES (PLURAL) TO KILL JFK THAT WERE BREWING/ IN MOTION JUST BEFORE/ CONCURRENT WITH 11/22/63...but Oswald "took the rap" for them by doing the deed by himself. Am I guilty of trying to have it both ways? Guilty as charged---but it's a sincere belief on my part.
I firmly believe THAT is the rub (to quote my cheesy YouTube video: hey, I ain't Speilberg LOL): all the seeming evidence of a conspiracy/ prior threats...yet all the damning evidence that Oswald did it by himself.
Have there been government cover-ups and conspiracies? Obviously, yes; you don't need me to tell you that. After all, in the final analysis, I am just one man with an opinion, that's all: aren't we a country filled with diversity, different cultures, backgrounds, beliefs, political party affiliations (Democrat, Republican, Independent, etc.)? Why get so up in arms about myself? Remember: I am on record, several times (Murder In Dealey Plaza, COPA '95, SRU 3/22/07, my book, etc) as giving out a caveat---whether one views the JFK assassination as the act of a lone nut (Oswald) or the act of a deadly conspiracy, my work holds up either way.
I work a day job, I am hardly rich (far from it), and have lost $ on the pursuit of this case/ my research (any very modest $$$ I have made through sale of books, etc. has been greatly countered by the costs of production, time, etc). My access to all of those retired Secret Service agents came through normal, over-the-counter ingenuity: access to a phone and a directory, e-mail, their addresses, etc. that anyone WHO CARED TO DO SO could have obtained relatively easily on their own...I was just fortunate that I tapped into a relatively unexplored area of the case.
It is as simple as this: I read the Warren Report, the HSCA Report, David Belin's books, Jim Moore, and Gerald Posner, and, while I was disturbed, I was not ultimately swayed because they left many holes for us to plug, so to speak. I came to Vince Bugliosi's book EXTREMELY skeptical, to put it mildly...but the book won me over (again, to a point: I STILL STRONGLY BELIEVE THERE WERE MORTAL THREATS AND CONSPIRACIES (PLURAL) TO KILL JFK THAT WERE BREWING/ IN MOTION JUST BEFORE/ CONCURRENT WITH 11/22/63...just that Oswald beat everyone to the punch). I have always been blessed with an OPEN mind. DO I WANT AND WISH FOR OSWALD TO NOT BE THE SOLE SHOOTER AND FOR THERE TO HAVE BEEN A CONSPIRACY IN ***DALLAS***? You bet; absolutely (so, yes: I wish I could still believe that LOL).
Is Bugliosi's book (or ANY book) perfect or error-free? No (i.e. I disagree with Bugliosi on his whole take on JFK's alleged desires to not have the agents on the car). But, again, I read the book, I came, I saw, and I was conquered.
Thanks for your time...let the vitriol begin!!!
Vince Palamara
a.k.a. Scumbag, Judas, the traitor, the mole, the limited-hangout dude, etc.
P.S. To answer any (future) inquiries:
"What made you change your mind, you *&^%&^ Vince????"
Answer: I read Bugliosi's book.
It is what it is.
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Vince, for numerous reasons, I'm convinced a clean-up of the limousine occurred outside Parkland. This may have been done for purely innocent reasons. Even so, the Secret Service's refusal to acknowledge this clean-up, innocent or not, is suspicious.
Did Kinney ever discuss this with you? Did any of the other agents?
My gut tells me one of the agents found CE399 in the limousine, and planted it on what they thought was Connally's stretcher, in order to hide that they'd screwed up and cleaned-up the crime scene. What are your thoughts on this issue?
I agree--the limousine was cleaned up at Parkland and at the White House garage. Kinney and George Hickey helped in the cleanup. I don't think Kinney viewed this as suspicious.
Re: CE399---see my book:
http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v4n1.html
chapter 8, page 11
vince palamara
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--- Abraham W Bolden wrote:
> Vince:
>
> I am sure that you are familiar with Bugliosi's
> book that was published in May. Although I have not
> read the book, I have heard and watched a video
> advertising the book at
> http://www.reclaiminghistory.com/.
>
> He is 100% behind the findings of the Warren
> Commission. What do you think of his findings. He
> claims to have proven everything that he contends in
> the book (Also, does he mention your work at all?).
>
> If you get a chance, let me know what you think
> about it. My publisher asked me the same question.
>
> Thanks
>
>
> Abraham W. Bolden, Sr.
Dear Abraham:
Yes, very familiar with Bugliosi's book; in fact, I amreading it now up to page 1112 out of 1612, not including the additional disc clocking in at 954 pages!). I will say this:
1) It is THE best Oswald-did-it book EVER, replacing
the Warren report, Posner, etc. Very well written,
witty, sometimes funny (in a good way), and very
thorough (for the most part);
2) It is the best prosecutor's brief ever (on the
case);
3) It has the best bio of Oswald ever (approx.300
pages, a book in itself);
4) It has the best summary (extremely detailed,
though) of the four dark days in November ever
(approx. 300 pages);
5) The intro. is outstanding;
6) He successfully debunks all the stupid theories and
several prominent authors/ researchers like Mark Lane,
Robert Groden, etc.;
7) At first glance, it is extremely compelling
(especially to the LAYMAN, I am sure), that Oswald
acted alone, as did Ruby;
8) HBO is going to do a 10-part mini-series on the
book;
9) Time magazine just came out with a piece on the
book;
10) It is THE longest and most incredibly researched
book ever on the case (Bugliosi states thta, at a
normal font and including the massive sourcenotes and
endnotes disc), the book would be 13 volumes!!!!;
11) Bugliosi (along with Dale Myers) does prove that
Oswald killed Tippit, that Oswald was a chronic xxxx
and wife beater, and that he couldnt hold a job to
save his life (a loser of sorts), hardly the heroic,
innocent patsy many view him as (i.e. Garrison). It
seems hard to dispute that Oswald was indeed
INVOLVED...
Now, for the "bad" news (for Bugliosi):
a) Bugliosi calmly states (and lists) many of the
Parkland and Bethesda witnesses who stated that JFK
was shot from the front and/ or that the right rear of
the head was missing and/ or the throat wound was an
exit wound, yet doesn't supply a decisive reason to
debunk the majority;
Bugliosi states that the majority of the DealeyPlaza witnesses did indeed believe the shots came from
the grassy knoll, yet dismisses them all by stating
that the evidence from the 6th floor negates them (as
no gun/ bullets were found at the knoll) and that the
witnesses were caught in an echo chamber and, thus,
could not truly state with conviction where the shots
really came from---hmmm...;
c) Bugliosi deals, but not in exhaustive detail (ALL
the witnesses), with the notion of a puff of smoke by
the knoll by dismissing it as exhaust from an
overturned motorcycle...yet doesn't deal with those
who SMELLED GUNPOWDER ON/ NEAR THE KNOLL and, again,
the totality of the witnesses and the specific area(s)
on the knoll they saw the puff of smoke;
d) in a related matter, Bugliosi dismisses the
"hyperbole" of those who said hundreds of footprints
were behind the picket fence, yet Holland, Dodd, and
others ALSO said there was mud on bumper(s) of the car
(s)...and what about the TRUNKS OF THE CARS as a
hiding place????
e) Bugliosi doesn not satisfactorily dismiss the
notion that Ruby was mob connected--a good job, but
not a through,covering-all-the-bases job;
f) NO ONE in the research community is even as
impressed as I am with his book (!), already writing
rebuttals (more to follow, I am sure): SEE VERY BOTTOM
OF E-MAIL FOR REVIEWS SO FAR
Here are the instances he talks about me:
"Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President
John F.
Kennedy" (2007) by Vincent Bugliosi:
Six pages (inc. the Bibliography) in Talbot's fine
book and (book #42-- in) in Bugliosi's new massive
tome (at 14 pages, inc. the Bibliography). Vince was
suprisingly pretty nice to me---oh, don't get me
wrong: he DOES criticize me, but he was far kinder
than I could have ever imagined (esp. compared to
Groden et al); only Aguilar and Tink seem to have
fared better in the
"conspiracy crowd," so to speak. I guess because the
bottom line is this: OSWALD OR NO OSWALD, CONSPIRACY
OR NO
CONSPIRACY, THE SECRET SERVICE FAILED AND JFK WAS
KILLED...which is why ***my*** work holds up, either
way. But, like I said, despite my troubled feelings, I
am still on your side and I haven't converted!!!
pages XV [page 3, endnotes disc] "One should not
confuse the literally thousands of conspiracy
buffs---who, it must be said, here and there have come
up with worthwhile information overlooked by the
authorities, but who desperately want there to be a
conspiracy and are allergic to anthing that points
away from one---with the much smaller number of
assassination researchers, serious students of the
assassination whose primary agenda (though many are
fervently hoping to find a conspiracy) is to ferret
out the truth." Among names such as Paul Hoch, Josiah
Thompson, Drs. Aguilar & Mantik, and Walt Brown: Vince
Palamara.
page146 [source notes disc]: 3 references, including
my work in "Murder In Dealey Plaza", my book, and my
Sept 1997 "Fourth Decade" article
page 403 footnote: credits my letter to Dr. Donald
Seldin (see also the index, page 1599)
page 404: nicely credits my original research on Dr.
William Zedelitz (see also the final page in his book,
page 1612 index)
page 408: credits my letter to Dr. Ronald Coy Jones
page 711 [endnotes disc] "no index or even page
numbers: In 2005, Vincent Palamara put out a revised
edition of his book with page numbers and changed the
title to Survivor's Guilt: The Secret Service and the
Failure to Protect the President."
page 998 footnote: I am one of the select few noted as
one of the "new wave" of researchers and, when
speaking of Fetzer, Bugliosi states that he "wisely
gathered the best technical minds of the conspiracy
community to write scholarly essays in the books that
he edits"...and, as we know, I have TWO chapters in
MIDP [plus favorable mentions in several of the other
essays](and several sentences, here and there, in his
other two books).
pages 1242-1243: mentions my work--- "Only one book I
am aware of, Vince Palamara's "Third Alternative-
Survivor's Guilt: The Secret Service & The JFK
Murder", is devoted solely to the Secret Service's
role in the case. From his EXHAUSTIVE
INVESTIGATION [my emphasis], Palamara ENDS UP FINDING
THE SECRET SERVICE GUILTY OF INCOMPETENCE [my
emphasis], not complicity in the murder. Although
Palamara SEEMS HONEST AND INTELLIGENT [my emphasis---
thanks, Vince
also-of-Italian-heritage-who-has-8-letters-
in-his-last name lol], and his 1993 book IS REASONABLY
WELL RESEACHED [my
emphasis---thanks, again; high praise,
indeed]..."Vince B. goes on to say that my book was
difficult to read and had no page
numbers [again, he recieved a 'special' 1998 'deluxe'
edition, largely a compilation of articles
(shoe-string budget and sacrificed
form for content)...still better than the even-slimmer
1993 version: yuk! (see page 711, above) ]. He lists
some of my areas of contention and ends with "and so
on"...all his criticisms are addressed and refuted, in
detail, in my ***2005*** book. Also, among several
former Secret Service agents who AGREE with my take on
the bubbletop, another can now be added to the list:
William Carter ["I assume your theory on the bubbletop
was that had it been on the car it was not bullet
proof. True, however, I contend at the angle of the
shot it would have altered the course of the bullet...
I did the advance with Win Lawson in Little Rock 6
weeks prior to Dallas and I had complete confidence in
him and considered him one of our best
agents."---4/6/07 e-mail from Carter to Palamara]
Vince B. then writes: "Palamara, moving almost
exclusively in the world of conspiracy
theorists...PROCEEDED REASONALY WELL IN HIS
ASSASSINATION RESEARCH [my emphasis; again, thanks,
Vince; I am a saint compared to what he thinks of
Groden, Horne, Lifton et al LOL]..." then mentions
SAIC of the Miami office John Marshall [former WHD
agent, friend of Floyd Boring since PA State Trooper
days!] STATEMENT TO THE HSCA THAT, FOR ALL HE KNEW,
SOMEONE IN THE SECRET SERVICE COULD HAVE BEEN INVOLVED
[AS I DULY NOTE IN MY WORK]!!!! Vince B.'s
conclusion????---
"Could have, schmood have."---?!?!?!
So, needless to say, I am delighted with my
treatment.(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
page 1276: (rightly) criticizes my lack of specific
source for walkie- talkie statement, a hazard of the
original, inferior 1993
Kinko's self- published Cliff Notes version (although
Bugliosi had a SLIGHTLY better "deluxe"--for the time
[1998]---version to work with, which he called Andy
and purchased by request, much to my bemused delight
back then lol)...THE SOURCE IS "CROSSFIRE", PAGE 250,
since noted from 2000 onward [bugliosi DOES note, on
page 711 of his source note disc, that I came out with
a page-numbered [!!!], updated version of my book--
with different title---in 2005];
page 1529 (Bibliography): lists my book
page1592 (index)-me
page 1603 (index)---one title of my book
page 1604 (index)---other title of my book
Also:
page 59 note: while buying the 'official' notion that
JFK ordered the agents off the car [!], Bugliosi notes
"the agent standing on the
RIGHT REAR [his emphasis] step would have blocked
Oswald's sight on Kennedy's head," once again proving
my point
His small Secret Service chapter (pages 1239-1247)---
page 1241:
offers the caveat "even if it could be shown that the
Secret Service WAS [my emphasis] responsible for
selection of
luncheon site and motorcade route," what would be
their motive?---see my work
vince palamara
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Vince,
In a 5/27/98 post on alt.conspiracy.jfk, you commended author Richard Trask for his book “That Day in Dallas.” You referred to p. 34 of this book and said, "Agent Thomas “Lem” Johns is seen running toward the camera car. . ." (as captured in Tom Dillard's photo with a man in the street running alongside camera car #1). Unfortunately, you were wrong. It was not Johns but rather White House cameraman Tom Atkins.
Then five and a half years later in an 11/27/03 post on the same alt.conspiracy.jfk forum, you said Johns "was left behind VERY briefly on the ROAD and hitched a ride in one of the camera cars as verified by the film record" (emphasis yours). You never clarified at this later time just why you believed the film record verified this, so one can only assume that you were still under the mistaken impression that Atkins was Johns in the Dillard photo.
It's a little hard for me to believe that in five and a half years no one in the entire research community ever advised you -- or that you never found out in any other way -- that you were wrong back in 1998, i.e. that Lem Johns is not the man seen running alongside camera car #1 in Dillard's photo. But maybe no one did, and maybe you never became aware of any evidence that you were wrong.
The problem is, you've been on the record, and apparently still are, with incorrect information that has helped to unnecessarily quash an important area of research.
Here's the correct information. The film and photo record does NOT verify that Lem Johns hitched a ride out of Dealey Plaza in camera car #1 that day. That's not to say that he didn't. It's just that no photo or film frame taken that day captures him in that car from the time it approaches the grassy knoll until it is about to enter the triple underpass.
So. . . Have you, by any chance, cleared up all this confusion at any time since 11/27/03 and admitted that you were in error? If you have, and I've missed it, then my apologies. If not, then now is the time to set the record straight.
Do you agree that the film and photo record does NOT verify that Lem Johns left Dealey Plaza in camera car #1? Or are you still of the same opinion? If so, then why?
Thanks.
Ken
Hi Ken,
Yes, several (many? LOL) of my early online (newsgroup) errors have since been corrected via my online books and so forth (I always considered myself to be a 'work-in-progress'...aren't we all? lol). I SPOKE TO LEM JOHNS IN 2004: he told me adamantly that he was only on the road a mere few ***seconds***, time enough to catch his ride, never leaving the road...so much for those who think he was the agent of unknown repute. The allegation (that ***Johns*** was the mysterious agent by the knoll and so forth) has been quashed. Time to move on.
vince
Vince,
Thanks for the response. But you didn’t answer my question. Here it is once again.
**Do you agree that the film and photo record does NOT verify that Lem Johns left Dealey Plaza in camera car #1?**
I’m not saying that Lem wasn’t in the car. I’m merely referring to what the known photographic record shows. You said it verified that he was in the car. And you were mistaken. But so far no retraction that I can find.
Please answer the question. Then I can, as you say, move on.
Ken
I retract it (actually, I did years ago)!!!! This was based on information provided to me by others at the time.
**Do you agree that the film and photo record does NOT verify that Lem Johns left Dealey Plaza in camera car #1?**YES
vince
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"Reclaiming History: The Assassination of President John F.
Kennedy" (2007) by Vincent Bugliosi:
Six pages (inc. the Bibliography) in Talbot's fine book and (book #42-- in) in Bugliosi's new massive tome (at 14 pages, inc. the Bibliography). Vince was suprisingly pretty nice to me---oh, don't get me wrong: he DOES criticize me, but he was far kinder than I could have ever imagined (esp. compared to Groden et al); only Aguilar and Tink seem to have fared better in the
"conspiracy crowd," so to speak. I guess because the bottom line is this: OSWALD OR NO OSWALD, CONSPIRACY OR NO
CONSPIRACY, THE SECRET SERVICE FAILED AND JFK WAS KILLED...which is why ***my*** work holds up, either way. But, like I said, despite my troubled feelings, I am still on your side and I haven't converted!!!
pages XV [page 3, endnotes disc] "One should not confuse the literally thousands of conspiracy buffs---who, it must be said, here and there have come up with worthwhile information overlooked by the authorities, but who desperately want there to be a conspiracy and are allergic to anthing that points away from one---with the much smaller number of assassination researchers, serious students of the assassination whose primary agenda (though many are fervently hoping to find a conspiracy) is to ferret out the truth." Among names such as Paul Hoch, Josiah Thompson, Drs. Aguilar & Mantik, and Walt Brown: Vince Palamara.
page146 [source notes disc]: 3 references, including my work in "Murder In Dealey Plaza", my book, and my Sept 1997 "Fourth Decade" article
page 403 footnote: credits my letter to Dr. Donald Seldin (see also the index, page 1599)
page 404: nicely credits my original research on Dr. William Zedelitz (see also the final page in his book, page 1612 index)
page 408: credits my letter to Dr. Ronald Coy Jones
page 711 [endnotes disc] "no index or even page numbers: In 2005, Vincent Palamara put out a revised edition of his book with page numbers and changed the title to Survivor's Guilt: The Secret Service and the Failure to Protect the President."
page 998 footnote: I am one of the select few noted as one of the "new wave" of researchers and, when speaking of Fetzer, Bugliosi states that he "wisely gathered the best technical minds of the conspiracy community to write scholarly essays in the books that he edits"...and, as we know, I have TWO chapters in MIDP [plus favorable mentions in several of the other essays](and several sentences, here and there, in his other two books).
pages 1242-1243: mentions my work--- "Only one book I am aware of, Vince Palamara's "Third Alternative- Survivor's Guilt: The Secret Service & The JFK Murder", is devoted solely to the Secret Service's role in the case. From his EXHAUSTIVE
INVESTIGATION [my emphasis], Palamara ENDS UP FINDING THE SECRET SERVICE GUILTY OF INCOMPETENCE [my emphasis], not complicity in the murder. Although Palamara SEEMS HONEST AND INTELLIGENT [my emphasis--- thanks, Vince also-of-Italian-heritage-who-has-8-letters- in-his-last name lol], and his 1993 book IS REASONABLY WELL RESEACHED [my
emphasis---thanks, again; high praise, indeed]..."Vince B. goes on to say that my book was difficult to read and had no page
numbers [again, he recieved a 'special' 1998 'deluxe' edition, largely a compilation of articles (shoe-string budget and sacrificed
form for content)...still better than the even-slimmer 1993 version: yuk! (see page 711, above) ]. He lists some of my areas of contention and ends with "and so on"...all his criticisms are addressed and refuted, in detail, in my ***2005*** book. Also, among several former Secret Service agents who AGREE with my take on the bubbletop, another can now be added to the list:
William Carter ["I assume your theory on the bubbletop was that had it been on the car it was not bullet proof. True, however, I contend at the angle of the shot it would have altered the course of the bullet... I did the advance with Win Lawson in Little Rock 6 weeks prior to Dallas and I had complete confidence in him and considered him one of our best agents."---4/6/07 e-mail from Carter to Palamara]
Vince B. then writes: "Palamara, moving almost exclusively in the world of conspiracy theorists...PROCEEDED REASONALY WELL IN HIS ASSASSINATION RESEARCH [my emphasis; again, thanks, Vince; I am a saint compared to what he thinks of Groden, Horne, Lifton et al LOL]..." then mentions SAIC of the Miami office John Marshall [former WHD agent, friend of Floyd Boring since PA State Trooper days!] STATEMENT TO THE HSCA THAT, FOR ALL HE KNEW, SOMEONE IN THE SECRET SERVICE COULD HAVE BEEN INVOLVED [AS I DULY NOTE IN MY WORK]!!!! Vince B.'s conclusion????---
"Could have, schmood have."---?!?!?!
So, needless to say, I am delighted with my treatment.
page 1276: (rightly) criticizes my lack of specific source for walkie- talkie statement, a hazard of the original, inferior 1993
Kinko's self- published Cliff Notes version (although Bugliosi had a SLIGHTLY better "deluxe"--for the time [1998]---version to work with, which he called Andy and purchased by request, much to my bemused delight back then lol)...THE SOURCE IS "CROSSFIRE", PAGE 250, since noted from 2000 onward [bugliosi DOES note, on page 711 of his source note disc, that I came out with a page-numbered [!!!], updated version of my book-- with different title---in 2005];
page 1529 (Bibliography): lists my book
page1592 (index)-me
page 1603 (index)---one title of my book
page 1604 (index)---other title of my book
Also:
page 59 note: while buying the 'official' notion that JFK ordered the agents off the car [!], Bugliosi notes "the agent standing on the
RIGHT REAR [his emphasis] step would have blocked Oswald's sight on Kennedy's head," once again proving my point
His small Secret Service chapter (pages 1239-1247)--- page 1241:
offers the caveat "even if it could be shown that the Secret Service WAS [my emphasis] responsible for selection of
luncheon site and motorcade route," what would be their motive?---see my work
vince palamara
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Rybka died 12/25/75 of a heart attack. Debra Conway alleged (via e-mail), seemingly offhand years ago, that Rybka's family contacted her but, when I asked her for details, I never recieved them. The WC, the HSCA, and everyone else didn't even mention the Rybka/ Roberts incident until I first brought it up in 1994 (at COPA in 1995)--as former agent Larry Newman told me, "I had never seen that before" and didn't have any explanation for it.
See my online book for more details re: this and the dead agent 'stories'. The 'stories' may be ultimately untrue, but they provided a cover story for the Secret Service to take the President's body under their control, etc.
vince;)
Vince and forum readers:
On 18 Nov 2001, I received an email from the granddaughter of SA Henry J. Rybka asking for information, photos, etc. as they were trying to put together items on his career as a Secret Service Agent. She didn't say, but I assume she read Vince's article on our website as she refers to it and the short film. I put together a package for the family that included Vince's article and the best copy I had of the film from Love Field.
During this time I was working with Vince on a book project and did mention to him the Rybka contact. Unfortunately, the project between Vince and JFK Lancer was terminated by JFK Lancer on December 2, 2002 and it was my decision at that time not to give the Rybka contact information to Vince but to another researcher.
In December 2005, I again heard from the granddaughter. She had been told about a better quality of the film clip being available on DVD. I checked this out for her and found it is "JFK: Breaking The News." I ordered a copy from the Sixth Floor Museum and sent it to her.
The family has no knowledge of the assassination from Rybka. That's why they wrote to me.
Sincerely,
Debra Conway
PS: Vince and I now communicate regularly and there are no hard feelings that I am aware of. I wish him the best.
No hard feelings at all; very true.
I thought maybe it turned out it wasn't really Rybka's family after all (not your fault: thought maybe someone was pulling your leg on the other end lol)...glad to hear it was.
If you still have the contact info., let me know. If not, no biggie.
vince:)
P.S. There are high quality copies of the WFAA/ "Rybka" film (video) to be found on the DVD "JFK: The Day The Nation Cried", the old 1988 James Earl Jones JFK tribute, as well as (if you can find it) my episode of TMWKK
vince:)
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Rybka died 12/25/75 of a heart attack. Debra Conway alleged (via e-mail), seemingly offhand years ago, that Rybka's family contacted her but, when I asked her for details, I never recieved them. The WC, the HSCA, and everyone else didn't even mention the Rybka/ Roberts incident until I first brought it up in 1994 (at COPA in 1995)--as former agent Larry Newman told me, "I had never seen that before" and didn't have any explanation for it.
See my online book for more details re: this and the dead agent 'stories'. The 'stories' may be ultimately untrue, but they provided a cover story for the Secret Service to take the President's body under their control, etc.
vince;)
Vince and forum readers:
On 18 Nov 2001, I received an email from the granddaughter of SA Henry J. Rybka asking for information, photos, etc. as they were trying to put together items on his career as a Secret Service Agent. She didn't say, but I assume she read Vince's article on our website as she refers to it and the short film. I put together a package for the family that included Vince's article and the best copy I had of the film from Love Field.
During this time I was working with Vince on a book project and did mention to him the Rybka contact. Unfortunately, the project between Vince and JFK Lancer was terminated by JFK Lancer on December 2, 2002 and it was my decision at that time not to give the Rybka contact information to Vince but to another researcher.
In December 2005, I again heard from the granddaughter. She had been told about a better quality of the film clip being available on DVD. I checked this out for her and found it is "JFK: Breaking The News." I ordered a copy from the Sixth Floor Museum and sent it to her.
The family has no knowledge of the assassination from Rybka. That's why they wrote to me.
Sincerely,
Debra Conway
PS: Vince and I now communicate regularly and there are no hard feelings that I am aware of. I wish him the best.
No hard feelings at all; very true.
I thought maybe it turned out it wasn't really Rybka's family after all (not your fault: thought maybe someone was pulling your leg on the other end lol)...glad to hear it was.
If you still have the contact info., let me know. If not, no biggie.
vince:)
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The destruction of a target -- human or otherwise -- protected by a relatively competent, large (and therefore impossible to corrupt en masse) professional security force is wholly dependent for success upon the stripping of that force.
Security stripping phenomena in Dallas (JFK) and Memphis (MLK) have been documented by Vince Palamara and Philip Melanson, respectively. As for RFK, security was virtually non-existant.
Regardless of what you may know/believe/assume about the destructions of the WTC buildings, the Pentagon, and Diana, security was stripped from those usually well protected targets immediately prior to their respective demises.
What, if anything, does this tell us about the nature of these events?
Charles
I love the way you think and write, Charles. Whenever I think of clear, articulate speaking, Robert DeNiro [your idol as mentioned at Fredonia], or jazz music, I think of you LOL
Thanks...and I think you are right (of course). One thing it DOES tell us---regardless of your 'theory' (official government stance or otherwise), if proper security and advance work (like heeding warnings and threats) would have been done, these tragedies would have been prevented.
vince palamara
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Vince,
In a 5/27/98 post on alt.conspiracy.jfk, you commended author Richard Trask for his book “That Day in Dallas.” You referred to p. 34 of this book and said, "Agent Thomas “Lem” Johns is seen running toward the camera car. . ." (as captured in Tom Dillard's photo with a man in the street running alongside camera car #1). Unfortunately, you were wrong. It was not Johns but rather White House cameraman Tom Atkins.
Then five and a half years later in an 11/27/03 post on the same alt.conspiracy.jfk forum, you said Johns "was left behind VERY briefly on the ROAD and hitched a ride in one of the camera cars as verified by the film record" (emphasis yours). You never clarified at this later time just why you believed the film record verified this, so one can only assume that you were still under the mistaken impression that Atkins was Johns in the Dillard photo.
It's a little hard for me to believe that in five and a half years no one in the entire research community ever advised you -- or that you never found out in any other way -- that you were wrong back in 1998, i.e. that Lem Johns is not the man seen running alongside camera car #1 in Dillard's photo. But maybe no one did, and maybe you never became aware of any evidence that you were wrong.
The problem is, you've been on the record, and apparently still are, with incorrect information that has helped to unnecessarily quash an important area of research.
Here's the correct information. The film and photo record does NOT verify that Lem Johns hitched a ride out of Dealey Plaza in camera car #1 that day. That's not to say that he didn't. It's just that no photo or film frame taken that day captures him in that car from the time it approaches the grassy knoll until it is about to enter the triple underpass.
So. . . Have you, by any chance, cleared up all this confusion at any time since 11/27/03 and admitted that you were in error? If you have, and I've missed it, then my apologies. If not, then now is the time to set the record straight.
Do you agree that the film and photo record does NOT verify that Lem Johns left Dealey Plaza in camera car #1? Or are you still of the same opinion? If so, then why?
Thanks.
Ken
Hi Ken,
Yes, several (many? LOL) of my early online (newsgroup) errors have since been corrected via my online books and so forth (I always considered myself to be a 'work-in-progress'...aren't we all? lol). I SPOKE TO LEM JOHNS IN 2004: he told me adamantly that he was only on the road a mere few ***seconds***, time enough to catch his ride, never leaving the road...so much for those who think he was the agent of unknown repute. The allegation (that ***Johns*** was the mysterious agent by the knoll and so forth) has been quashed. Time to move on.
vince
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Welcome Vince.i,too,am a huge fan of your outstanding body of work.I agree with Mr. Jack White that your compilation of witnesses stating that the limo stopped is a crucial piece in debunking the official story and shedding light on how the moments that ended JFK's life played out.A couple of other areas you've touched on that intrigue me greatly are the Rybka stand down ordeal when leaving the airport and the early reports of the "dead SS agent".In regards to the Rybka incident,i first became aware of this after veiwing your piece in TMWKK.To me,the Rybka ordeal is as important as any in exposing how JFK was stripped of his closest protection just moments before he was murdered.Can you add anything on Rybka? is he still alive? if not,when did he die? are there any surviving family members of Rybka? was the scenerio involving Rybka at the airport discussed by the Warren Commission or the HSCA? when was the Rybka/airport scene first known by researchers?..........and with regards to the early reports of a " dead secrect service agent",if this report was true it would make the lone nut assassin theory that more difficult to prove.Why would this be reported early on if it were not true?'It's obvious why the official story would want to discredit the "dead SS agent" story but why would this be out there in the beginning if there wasn't a legitimate reason? Thanks again, Vince. Mark
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Thanks; much appreciated (that compilation of witnesses was basically the first major paper I ever did, started in 1991).
Rybka died 12/25/75 of a heart attack. Debra Conway alleged (via e-mail), seemingly offhand years ago, that Rybka's family contacted her but, when I asked her for details, I never recieved them. The WC, the HSCA, and everyone else didn't even mention the Rybka/ Roberts incident until I first brought it up in 1994 (at COPA in 1995)--as former agent Larry Newman told me, "I had never seen that before" and didn't have any explanation for it.
See my online book for more details re: this and the dead agent 'stories'. The 'stories' may be ultimately untrue, but they provided a cover story for the Secret Service to take the President's body under their control, etc.
vince;)
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Vince,
A warm welcome to you.
FWIW, I place you at the top of my list of researchers I most admire, along with the likes of Mark Lane, Penn Jones, Jim Garrison, Larry Hancock, John Simkin, among a select group.
Although I don't have Survivors Guilt, I have read most of it online and once again complement you on an outstanding piece of research, on one of most difficult areas of reseach surrounding the JFK assassination.
I won't bombard you with a series of questions but instead just ask one,
There are many 'people of interest' within the SS. Emory Roberts, Bill Greer, Paul Paterni, David Grant, Floyd Boring to name a few. My question is do you think that the sudden appearance of Democratic National Committee representative Jack Puterbaugh in the lead car was suspicious?
I ask this because of my personal suspicion that the DNC, being largely funded by wealthy interests, may have been a part of the plot.
There's no hurry, as you will probably be asked a lot of questions.
Once again, welcome to the Forum.
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Thanks so much.
Hmmm...I'm not very suspicious of Jack Puterbaugh. Among other reasons, he said the "ballistics stuff doesn't add up" in the WC investigation and he just didn't seem to say or do anything to warrant suspicion.
vince:)
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Myra,
Your choice of icon speaks to a familiarity with the joke in question.
Seriously -- and I'll say this directly to my friend Vince -- his endorsement of "Ultimate Sacrifice" is indeed a major gaff. Perhaps he would like to join our discussion and defend his assessment.
Charles
Yes Charles, and he flogged Ultimate Sacrifice within approximately 1 quadrillion other book reviews on Amazon so it's almost impossible to miss.
(Vince, if you don't post soon we'll just talk behind your back.)
Hi, everyone. I deeply appreciate all the nice things you all had to say; it means alot. It is so nice to see Jerry Rose '91 vets (Nick and Charles)+ Jack White (Lancer '97), etc. EXPLANATION TIME RE: "ULTIMATE SACRIFICE"---
I was very impressed with the depth of research (and some of the Secret Service/ Bolden info., most of which came from myself)...the CONCLUSIONS may not (necessarily) have held up as much, circa 2007, but, then again, I am a huge fan of several books for their RESEARCH, not so much the ultimate conclusion (s) contained therein. O.k., I confess: I guess I went a little overboard with the mass "Ultimate Sacrifice is the best book" Amazon reviews lol---this is what happens when you have idle time at work LOL...at that particular juncture, late 2005, I was absolutely CONVINCED that this was going to be THE last major book on the case (honest)...so, warts and all, I wanted to give it a huge "send off", so to speak. This is NOT to excuse my gushing endorsement---time has been kind to the research aspect of the book (and, as David Talbot has even confessed, many 'little gems' contained therein; let's not throw the baby out with the bathwatwer, so to speak), perhaps not the main conclusion (s).
Speaking of David Talbot, whose book I love, he phoned me in early 2005 re: his book in progress...and, honestly, I thought "Ultimate Sacrifice" would steal his thunder and his book would never see the light of day (I was absolutely convinced that Waldron and Hartmann's book was THE last major book on the case...there WAS a drought post-Posner, and I didn't even think Bugliosi's would come out [his book is incredible for length, research and being the best LHO-did-it book...BUT THAT DOES NOT MEAN i AGREE WITH HIS CONCLUSIONS!!!!!
]So, if I had to do it over again, I would have kept the main review at the "Ultimate Sacrifice" cite and perhaps toned down the other reviews lol. Again, an idle mind is a devil's workshop...and posting reviews at Amazon is easy and free:)
Remember, it is the context of the time that determines one's destiny...
vince palamara
P.S. I DON'T HAVE A HOME COMPUTER (BY CHOICE---LONG STORY) AND I WORK FULL TIME, SO PLEASE BE PATIENT WITH ME LOL
The net is a free and fun way to advertise yourself (as Nixon said, history belongs to those who write it for themselves, or something like that); guess I get carried away sometimes...
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