Cigdem Göle

Follow through

Make your dreams come true

Don't give up the fight

You will be all right

Cause there's no one like you

In the universe

Don't be afraid

What your mind conceives

You should make a stand

Stand up for what you believe

And tonight we can truly say

Together we're invincible

And during the struggle

They will pull us down

But please, please let's use this chance to

Turn things around

And tonight we can truly say

Together we're invincible

Do it on your own

Makes no difference to me

What you leave behind

What you choose to be

and whatever they say

Your soul's unbreakable

And during the struggle

They will pull us down

But please, please let's use this chance to

Turn things around

And tonight we can truly say

Together we're invincible

Together we're invincible

Invincible - Muse

Discs

1. Black Holes and Revelations - Muse

2. Hopes and Fears - Keane

3. Send Away The Tigers - Manic Street Preachers

4. Here Come The Tears - The Tears

5. Only Forever - Puressence

6. Planet Helpless - Puressence

7. Coming Up - Suede

8. Takk - Sigur Ros

Book :

One Man's Destiny - Michail Sholokhov

(alternative for book, Lolita - Vladimir Nabokov)

European & World Champion Russian figure skater Evgeni Plushenko.

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Two great performances at the same time, Andrea Bocelli singing Caruso and Plushenko on ice, fascinating!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j2oM-y013MM...feature=related

Song D'Automne (slow waltz), Archibald Joyce

Manic Street Preachers, Chris Cornell, Franz Ferdinand.

2007 - Rock'n Coke Festival, Istanbul.

Morrissey

2006 - Efes Pilsen One Love Festival, Istanbul.

"It's just too hot to wear clothes today", Jack says as he stepped out of the shower,

"Honey, what do you think the neighbors would think if I mowed the lawn like this?"

"Probably that I married you for your money", she replied.

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He said : I'm going to make you the happiest woman in the world.

She said: I'll miss you!

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Q : What do you call an intelligent, good looking, sensitive man?

A : A rumor.

People create their own opportunities.

It's important to chase them for a better life instead of sitting and complaining

about how unjust life is.

Mostly the cause of this is fear.

Fear of pursuing one's dreams or fear of failure.

Until the day we are able to see that the power to turn "impossible" into "real" is in fact within our souls,

life will be perceived as unfair.

"Come to the cliff", he said.

They said, "We're afraid"

"Come to the cliff", he said.

They came.

He pushed them.

And they flew.

--Stuart Wilde

"And what do you want of me", she challenged.

...

Her eyes, wide and large and wondering, watched him and asked him the ultimate question.

"I came because I must", he said. "Why do you ask?"

She looked at him in doubt and wonder.

"I must ask", she said.

He shook his head slightly.

"There is no answer", he replied, with strange vacancy.

...

"But why did you come to me?" she persisted

"Because - it has to be so. If there weren't you in the world, then I shouldn't be in the world, either."

She stood looking at him, with large, wide, wondering, stricken eyes. His eyes were looking steadily into hers all the time, and he seemed fixed in an odd

supernatural steadfastness. She sighed. She was lost now. She had no choice.

-------- Women In Love - D.H. Lawrence (Chapter XXIV, Death and Love)

Kill me

I begged and love said no

Leave me

for dead and let me go

Kill me

I cried and love said no

HIM - And Love Said No

Just a brief head-in-the-tent visit to restate the base line:

Until the life of the terrorist is held to be as sacred as the life of the terrorized, the terror will continue.

The executioner is, by definition, suicidal.

Charles

It works both ways.

The terrorist's aim, by definiton, is to terrorize, therefore, no life is sacred and all can be expendable for "the cause"

however unreasonable it might be.

Considering this, the terrorized feel no sympathy for those who make them suffer, which is understandable.

But wanting to see them hanged is extreme.

The more extreme the terror, the greater the impulse to vengeance, the more sacred, liberating, and lasting the impacts of forgiveness.

Unfortunately, not every one of us chooses to forgive, that's why the terror probably will not end.

Just a brief head-in-the-tent visit to restate the base line:

Until the life of the terrorist is held to be as sacred as the life of the terrorized, the terror will continue.

The executioner is, by definition, suicidal.

Charles

It works both ways.

The terrorist's aim, by definiton, is to terrorize, therefore, no life is sacred and all can be expendable for "the cause"

however unreasonable it might be.

Considering this, the terrorized feel no sympathy for those who make them suffer, which is understandable.

But wanting to see them hanged is extreme.

Saddam Hussein is facing the death penalty. Many nations and individuals are speaking out against this.

As a long time supporter of the Kurds, I too speak out against the death penalty.

Saddam's reign of terror against the Kurds was deplorable. At various times it was supported by the US, Iran, Turkey and others. The Kurds now are in a position to forge a new paradigm. End the cycle of violence.

I'm also against death penalty.

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In Turkey's long term fight against the terrorist organization (pkk), it must not be forgotten that many innocent people were killed from both sides.

I agree, Saddam's treatment towards civilians in Northern Iraq was horrendous.

At this point I also have to say, as a person who travelled to the border several times, I've never witnessed or heard of any acts of violence from the Turkish Army to

the Kurds who have nothing to do with the terrorist group.

Hey hey, good times

You're in so many lives

Why don't you walk into mine?

I've waited here for a lifetime

But you never showed your face

I'm sorry if I've been wasting my time

I lied to myself

I lie and I know

I can't figure out how my story goes

But, I lie to myself

And there's no Holy Grail

So why don't you come and lay your body down

on my bed of nails?

Hey hey I'm down

Well I'm stuck in a hole and I can't see

any way out

Remember when we were younger

And I showed you what to say

And now it seems I've lost that hunger

Why don't you lay

Why don't you lay

Why don't you come and lay your body down?

I thought it would last a lifetime

It only lasts a day

You've started wasting my time

Why don't you come and change the way

I lie to myself

I lie and I know

I can't figure out

how my story goes

I lie to myself

I lie all the time

I can't figure out why what's yours ain't mine

Hear me out (Hear me out)

Hear me out (Why don't you hear me out?)

Hear me now (Hear me now)

Hear me now

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Hey Hey I'm Down - Puressence

You youngin's with your Youtube. (Youngin?? Who? Me?? ) I don't think it's online, but here's the transcript.

Thanks for the transcript.

I also find it interesting that he says Oswald put his hands in his pockets and walked away laughing.

He seems strangely casual for an assassin who was about to shoot the president.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/sh...etc/script.html

The logical interpretation of Norman's words is that he was talking about looking down from a window sometime before lunch. But it sure seems strange that he says "we was waiting" when Kennedy was at least an hour away, and radios were playing all over the building. It's not as if he was just gonna show up un-announced. Maybe he momentarily blurred his recollection of watching the motorcade with his memory of seeing Oswald earlier in the day, and mis-spoke.

I suppose my interest in Norman was piqued by my discovery of this quote the other day... (11-09-83 AP article found in the Indiana Gazette) ""I didn't see the gun barrel but I did see the debris that fell in one of my friend's hair. I could hear a gun going off above us, and the debris fell each time there was a shot," said Norman. The debris was dust and tiny pieces of concrete broken loose by the concussion of the rifle, he said. "I sure do see that scene — sometimes pretty regularly. Sometimes I'll be driving down the street and thinking about it," he

said. "I can close my eyes and see President Kennedy again. One minute he's smiling and waving and then he's slumped back and wounded.'' Norman said he never believed a conspiracy was involved in the assassination, but he also never fully believed his coworker —Oswald—was the trigger man."

Now what does that mean? If he never believed there was a conspiracy, but also never fully believed Oswald was the trigger man, then he must have suspected that some other lone nut killed JFK, right? And that the DPD and FBI framed Oswald. Now, that would be strange!

Harold Norman told PBS' Frontline, in its 1993 program "Who was Lee Harvey Oswald?": "We were looking out towards Elm Street, so he walked up and asked us, said, "What is everybody looking for? What's everybody waiting on?" So we told him we was waiting on the President to come by. He put his hands in his pocket and laughed and walked away, so I don't know where he went, or if he went upstairs or downstairs or where."

What the heck was he talking about? If "we was waiting on the President to come by" then this must have been lunchtime, right? That means Norman saw Oswald downstairs or on the fifth floor. But if it was downstairs then why does he say that Oswald may have went downstairs afterward? Could Norman have really seen Oswald on the fifth floor just before the shots rang out, and never have bothered to tell anyone?

What's your interpretation of his statement? Frontline presents it as if it's consistent with an event taking place in the morning.

I haven't heard that before. Sounds strange.

Pat, Could you provide any links (youtube/google video) to the PBS program?

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And to answer Cigdem's question ... it would not rule out a SK shooter if the bullet didn't hit on a tangent angle to the head for then little energy would be dispersed and the bullet would make a straight through hole in the brain with little shredding. And while I have doubts about the brain that was referenced as being JFK's ... there was mention of a lot of shredding of tissue which supports a tangent strike to the skull.

Bill[/b]

I see a SK shooter as a possibility whereas I have doubts about whether the shot(s) fired from there (if any) hit JFK.

I guess this is going a bit off from the original topic, sorry.

Thanks again, Bill.

Hi Kathy,

I think south knoll shot is a probable one looking at the angle of the

headshot. I also find it likely that there was another shooter in the north knoll

but from what I see in the Z-Film, if JFK had been hit by a bullet fired from the

north knoll it would have transitted his head at a rather horizontal angle exiting

somewhere near his left temple. Of course, I'm not an expert on this.

It's just an observation.

I wish I had some drawings to show what I mean.

Maybe someone could help on this.

I think Dr. Clark explained that when a bullet hits on a tangent angle ... that because it sheds so much energy ... it often changes direction. With that being said, a bullet could hit JFK along the outer bone plate from the Hat Man location and still have exited out the right rear portion of his skull.

Bill

Thanks Bill.

I remember reading the same thing somewhere, too.

But does that completely rule out the possibility of a SK shooter?

Have you considered a shot from the South Knoll area? Just curious.

Kathy

Hi Kathy,

I think south knoll shot is a probable one looking at the angle of the

headshot. I also find it likely that there was another shooter in the north knoll

but from what I see in the Z-Film, if JFK had been hit by a bullet fired from the

north knoll it would have transitted his head at a rather horizontal angle exiting

somewhere near his left temple. Of course, I'm not an expert on this.

It's just an observation.

I wish I had some drawings to show what I mean.

Maybe someone could help on this.

I agree with the above poster, Justin. Dee Brown's Bury My Heart At Wounded Knee

is a great work in understanding the Indian perspective.

And it's truly touching.

Two other books I'd recommend are,

Josanie's War : A Chiricahua Apache Novel by Karl Schlesier

Other Destinies by Louis Owens.

(Both books deal with Indian literature).

Beauty

The beautiful, the fair, the elegant,

Is that which pleases us, says Kant,

Without a thought of interest or advantage.

I used to watch men when they spoke of beauty

And measure their enthusiasm. One

An old man, seeing a ( ) setting sun,

Praised it ( ) a certain sense of duty

To the calm evening and his time of life.

I know another man that never says a Beauty

But of a horse; ( )

Men seldom speak of beauty, beauty as such,

Not even lovers think about it much.

Women of course consider it for hours

In mirrors; ( )

A shrapnel ball -

Just where the wet skin glistened when he swam -

Like a fully-opened sea-anemone.

We both said 'What a beauty! What a beauty, lad'

I knew that in that flower he saw a hope

Of living on, and seeing again the roses of his home.

Beauty is that which pleases and delights,

Not bringing personal advantage - Kant.

But later on I heard

A canker worked into that crimson flower

And that he sank with it

And laid it with the anemones off Dover

by Wilfred Owen

Rupert Butler writes in his book, An Illustrated History of The Gestapo ,that

after Heydrich's assassination, Karl Daluege (whom Heydrich despised)

took his place, which I find a suspicious move as well as presenting Heydrich

as a martyr and a perfect example of the Nazi ideals.

IMO, given the oddities of the case, this might well have been a plot

to strengthen the hatred against the Jews.

http://www.amazon.com/Illustrated-History-...r/dp/0879388013

People fear what they can't see. They fear what they can't predict and they fear what they don't know.

Natural disasters are almost unforeseen , sudden events, which people have no control of.

Therefore, in times like these, they tend to find a spiritual reason for it.

They feel the need to explain what they can't understand.

In a disaster as big as an earthquake or a tsunami, people generally seek inner haven and

they choose to believe it is a punishment given by God because having the need for being kept under

control and pay penalty for bad deeds are of human nature.

Courtney,

You might also be interested in Larry Hancock's online article series

at the MFF website.

http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/...mbassador_Hotel

There are lots of amazing details in the first two chapters.

I'm hoping to find time to read chapter three today.

My list of contemporary writers,

D.H Lawrence

Toni Morrison

H.G. Wells

Carson McCullers

Vladimir Nabokov

Tenessee Williams

John Steinbeck

William Faulkner

Alice Walker

George Orwell

Aldous Huxley

Manic Street Preachers - Autumnsong

L'Arc En Ciel - Hitomi No Jyuunin

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=86svF79tPfU

Arctic Monkeys - Fluorescent Adolescent

Muse - Micro Cuts

Puressence - All I Want

Interpol - Obstacle 1

The Crash - Star

Sigur Ros - Vidrar Vel Til Loftrasa

The Last Shadow Puppets - Meeting Place

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aFYXrb1GC4I

Arcade Fire - Neighborhood (Tunnels)

Geneva - If You Have To Go

Keane - This is The Last Time