Jonathan Cohen

15 minutes ago, Michael Griffith said:

Now why in the world would Oswald have gone to Mexico City on his own initiative? 

For the exact reason he said : to get visas to travel first to Cuba and then to Russia.

15 minutes ago, Michael Griffith said:

This begs the question: If Oswald was a loner with no intel ties and no associates, why would anyone have bothered to impersonate him in Mexico City in a fake call to the Soviet Embassy and in fake visits to the Cuban Consulate?

To frame him.

1 hour ago, Alan Ford said:

Tell me what you think they've 'been illustrating', Mr. Cohen, and let's you and I debate the issue here together.

I'm trembling.

Tremble to your heart's content. I have no interest in debating with you based on your faulty photo interpretations. Perhaps the fine folks at ROKC are in a more sporting mood, so why not engage them directly?

Wasn't all this already a part of the 2018 film "The Parkland Doctors?" Dubious of this upcoming version of it, to say the least. For one thing, Dr. Goldstrich now claims both the head and throat shots were fired from behind.

3 minutes ago, Alan Ford said:

Yes, a black blob. I look forward to another piece of expert counter-analysis from you ~grin~

As for your parting question, Mr. Cohen, it efficiently demonstrates that your reading skills are on a par with your photo-analytical gifts 👍

The counter analysis is that you appear to have no idea what you're talking about, and people far more patient than I have been illustrating this for several days here.

4 minutes ago, Alan Ford said:

It's the darndest thing, but there is a black blob hovering over this person's head:

A "black blob" ? Come on. Are you serious? And you realize of course that for you to claim this person is Oswald would mean he was NOT in the doorway when the shots were fired?

34 minutes ago, Alan Ford said:

Whether you like it or not, Mr. Cohen, Towner shows the thing being waved. It's a fact.

If you disagree with the above statement, I look forward to reading your counter-analysis of the relevant Towner frames. I'm sure it will be top notch. 👍

My analysis is that your interpretation of the films is wrong. Neither Billy Lovelady nor Lee Oswald were waving a flag on the front steps of the building, and they certainly were not in any kind of cahoots as assassination conspirators.

2 hours ago, Alan Ford said:

Our thanks to thee, O thrice-noble and omniscient Gatekeeper of Truth!

🤣

Out of curiosity, why didn't Oswald tell anybody who would listen that he was waving a flag around on the TSBD front steps during the assassination? Why didn't any of his numerous coworkers standing right next to him mention such a thing either?

1 hour ago, Chris Davidson said:

 

 

 

This has been discussed ad nauseum. Lovelady was wrong in his 1964 affidavit about the shirt he was wearing on Nov. 22, 1963. He was photographed several years later by Robert Groden wearing the correct shirt.

42 minutes ago, Joseph Backes said:

What matters is how the intel of this was handled, and why this odd event happened in the first place.  

Agreed. Many people here seem to be incapable of accepting that Oswald could have been in Mexico City of his own volition while also being impersonated/toyed with by other entities.

Questionable photo/film interpretations notwithstanding, Oswald was not "waving a flag" as a "political stunt" on the front steps of the Texas School Book Depository.

This is yet further confirmation that Oswald was in fact in Mexico City, no matter how loudly the "all the evidence is fake" camp screams otherwise.

7 hours ago, Micah Mileto said:

https://deadline.com/2023/10/barry-levinson-assassination-al-pacino-1235576261/

Not sure why you created a new thread when I already updated the original discussion last night with the new information about Barry Levinson joining the film …

Barry Levinson now stepping in to direct:

https://deadline.com/2023/10/barry-levinson-assassination-al-pacino-1235576261/

You could start by, you know, getting the man's name right ?

56 minutes ago, Pat Speer said:

While Groden may be prone to flights of fancy, he debunked all the crud about the shirt 30 years ago, in The Killing of a President. A dozen years ago or so, right here on this forum, a couple of characters tried to resurrect the shirt confusion so they could claim it was Oswald on the steps all along, and that Lovelady's face was super-imposed on Oswald's body by the CIA, which had a top secret photo alteration lab in the parking lot by the TSBD. 

Great. So Sandy Larsen is, in fact, totally wrong.

27 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

This topic is beyond your comprehension level.

Clearly yours as well!

6 minutes ago, Sean Coleman said:

Welcome to Pocketgate. You decide

Sean, do you also believe that the man wearing the red/plaid shirt in the Martin film frame is NOT Billy Lovelady?

8 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

Lovelady lied about the shirt, which is proven by the fact that the one in his possession doesn't have a pocket. He lied about waiting on the TSBD step for three minutes, till Gloria Calvery arrived, and about walking to the railroad yard and into the west end of the TSBD to witness Victoria Adams coming down the steps, which is proven by the Darnell/Wiegman films.

These things have to do with the fabricated second-floor encounter between Oswald and Officer Baker.

Uh uh .. so he just happened to have in his possession the IDENTICAL shirt he was wearing on Nov. 22, 1963 and identified himself as wearing it on multiple occasions, but according to you, it was all a part of a big old years-long lie that he repeated to journalists and investigators until his death? Where do you come up with this complete nonsense? It's embarrassing.

6 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

That's right.

Billy Lovelady had long been inside the building by the time that film was taken.

And you claim this in spite of the fact that Loveladly himself identified himself as the man in the red/plaid shirt during his HSCA testimony?

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=99803#relPageId=2&tab=page

2 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

So, let me get this straight. It is your claim that the man in the red/plaid shirt at bottom right above is NOT Billy Lovelady?

Just to be clear: in the 1970s, Robert Groden photographed Lovelady wearing the same plaid shirt he wore to work on 11/22/1963.

Just now, Sandy Larsen said:

 

How do you explain the fact that Lovelady's sleeve* in the high-quality photo posted by David has no plaid pattern, and yet other copies of the photo do show plaid there?

*(Most people would say it is Lovelady's sleeve. I say it is Carl Jones's.)

I suggest keeping your thoughts to yourself when you don't know what you're talking about.

 

I explain it by the fact that you are imagining things.

6 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

Your ignorance of something doesn't make it untrue.

Why not - I'll play along. Besides your own personal interpretations of the Dealey Plaza films and photos, on what are you basing your definitive statement that the person in the photo who you claim isn't Lovelady has "a spinal condition" ?

9 hours ago, David Andrews said:

I suspect that Hunt deadpanning "The alien presence" meant, at best, "I can't tell you."  At worst, it meant...something that may be used as a barometer for the temper of his deathbed confession.  Both messages are for an audience larger than the recipients.

OK, so is everybody on this forum in agreement that it is completely absurd to believe the assassination was predicated on President Kennedy getting ready to tell the world that aliens were real?

2 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

The plaid pattern was drawn in days or weeks after the day the photo was sent out on the AP wire. There were multiple copies of the photo by then, which is the reason that some copies of the photo have the plaid pattern drawn in and others don't.

There's no "plaid pattern" drawn in. My goodness.

1 hour ago, Sandy Larsen said:

 

Problem is, that is not Billy Lovelady. By the time this film was taken, Lovelady was back inside the TSBD. Also, this guy has a spinal condition that can be seen in other frames (that I can't find right now). Billy Lovelady didn't have that condition. As can be seen in a profile-view FBI photo of Lovelady (that I also can't find right now.)

A "spinal condition" ? What in the world are you talking about? Complete, utter nonsense.