Jonathan Cohen

15 minutes ago, Doug Campbell said:

Why was the Lafitte "flow chart" posted twice as a topic in two different threads in 2 days? Spammers gonna spam.

Indeed. The moderators should do something about it.

1 hour ago, Leslie Sharp said:

(The following memo regarding Edwin A. Walker has been buried in  FBI files related to the John Birch Society until recently. BOLD emphasis added.)

Why are you posting this on two separate threads?

1 hour ago, Leslie Sharp said:

(The following memo regarding Edwin A. Walker has been buried in  FBI files related to the John Birch Society until recently. BOLD emphasis added.)

And the significance of this is ... what, exactly? Are you implying none of this information had heretofore been known about Walker's activities?

3 hours ago, Leslie Sharp said:

Thank you for that trajectory.  The popular meme is that "Hosty tore up his notes because he was ordered to."  This sets the record straight, presumably.  As a matter of interest distinct from PM, did Hosty keep notes from his visit at the Paine's house in early November? I'll search, but if you know off the top of your head . . . 

I believe you’re confusing what Hosty did with his interrogation notes with what he did to the note Oswald left at the FBI office, in which he asked Hosty to stop interviewing Marina when he wasn’t home. Hosty’s boss Gordon Shanklin ordered him to destroy the latter, which Hosty then did.

2 hours ago, Gil Jesus said:

I don't know the way you do it in Canada, but in the States we mark evidence for positive identification at a later time and date, like at a trial.

"The way you do it in Canada" ? Take your holier-than-thou, xenophobic nonsense somewhere else.

43 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said:

Holding names close that were given you in confidence is admirable; in a murder investigation is that sufficient justification for protecting the identify of suspects? 

This is a truly unbelievable rhetorical question by you in light of your numerous "justifications" for who is or is not allowed to study the alleged datebook for themselves...

6 minutes ago, Evan Marshall said:

he did nod id just that it was there and they didn't care if Jackie ended up dead too!

Is there any actual evidence to support the notion that such a car was parked by the Triple Underpass?

17 minutes ago, Evan Marshall said:

Met and talked to a Vietnam era sniper who was bought in as unneeded backup and a Green Beret Master Breecher who informed me the car parked by the underpass was full of explosives in case JFK reached that point alive.

To which specific car parked by the underpass are you referring?

31 minutes ago, Benjamin Cole said:

The whole purpose of this post was to show how mainstream media (purposely) conflates celebrity or dubious conspiracy theories with the JFKA case. 

Yes, I know - my comment was directed at Sandy Larsen's apparent attempt to start a debate about Princess Diana's death with Michael Griffith. THAT should be moved to some other area.

28 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said:

I'll just leave this here.

. . . I met Lisa Pease once in LA when I was there for an event related to my book on Frank Olson. . . . She sought me out in LA and tried to pump me on Pierre Lafitte, but I had no interest in sharing anything with her. I was told she was acting on behalf of DiEugenio.

DiEugenio [and Pease] have locked themselves into a box on the assassination and I suspect they will live to regret it, but I'm sure their combined pathology will attempt to slam many more people before that occurs.
 
 My best,
 
 Hank 

It's just non-stop victim mentality from the Coup in Dallas brigade, isn't it? "Acting on behalf of" Jim DiEugenio? On behalf of what? Our top-secret cabal that goes around jealously spying on other Kennedy assassination researchers? Give me a break.

34 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said:

The fact that Hank's exclusive investigation has thrown a wrench should not be lost on anyone.

The only "wrench" it has thrown is further polluting a subject already rife with ridiculous theories and evidence-free speculation.

35 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said:

With that, this will be my first and final communication with you on the matter.

Promise?

58 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said:

Art work, containing information in a specific fashion based on exclusive PRIVATE documents; just try to manipulate the map or disseminate without permission and we'll see whether the copyright law applies as stated.

You can't possibly spend your life being this needlessly litigious all the time, can you?

This thread has no further purpose here. Moderators, please move this baseless conspiracy speculation out of this section of the forum.

16 minutes ago, Gerry Down said:

Very difficult I would imagine. I think its been many decades since he has given an interview. 

I presume Orest Pena is dead? He knew him too. 

Aren't there members of Garrison's staff who are still alive and/or would have had in-person interactions with Ferrie?

On 7/29/2023 at 4:22 PM, Leslie Sharp said:

This org chart is copyrighted and cannot be reproduced without express permission. Any alterations made to the chart will be subject to copyright laws.

Copyrighted by whom?

1 hour ago, David Josephs said:

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. -Albert Einstein

Right, like spending the past 20-plus years touting the absolutely laughable and absurd idea that Lee Oswald was part of a secret government doppelganger program along with his imaginary "brother," Harvey, or that virtually every piece of evidence in the Kennedy assassination has been faked or altered .. at least until you need these documents to be authentic to support your beliefs ...

24 minutes ago, Greg Doudna said:

Because I think the chances of this text being a forgery are approximately 100 percent, I have no interest in this text or its discussion.

Truer words have rarely been spoken on this forum. Thanks for at least trying to fight the good fight, Greg.

7 hours ago, David Josephs said:

How about the freaking Zapruder film?  do you realize that hasn't even been authenticated?

Uh, except that it has, by Roland Zavada:

https://archive.org/stream/ZavadaReport/Zavada+Report_djvu.txt

http://www.jfk-info.com/zavada1.htm

It's incredible that you, as someone who seems to believe nearly every major piece of evidence in the case has been falsified or altered, jumps right in with both feet to trumpet the veracity of the "Lafitte datebook."

7 hours ago, David Josephs said:

Ben, we have an independent panel of experts right here.  If we can't offer a coherent reason for it to be a fraud in the first place, there's a problem, no?

A "coherent reason" would be to make money and insert one's self/selves into the JFK assassination case, which unfortunately has already happened with Judyth Baker. By the way, this forum is hardly made up of "an independent panel of experts" ...

3 hours ago, Robert Montenegro said:

And please, do not try to down play what happened to Adams, Agee & McGehee by placing the word destruction in quotations—they went thru Hell—for Pete's sake, Mr. Agee's children were kidnapped from his house in Mexico City, and CIA agents called his wife and made it seem like he did it, fracturing his marriage into a thousand pieces!

My goodness, you are touchy. I'm not trying to "downplay" anything. In fact, I used your own words to describe what had happened to those three men.

23 minutes ago, Robert Montenegro said:

Plus, COL. Prouty had three contemporaries—Central Intelligence Agency analyst Samuel Alexander Adams, and case officers Philip Burnett Franklin Agee & Ralph Walter McGehee Jr.—true whistleblowers, who put everything on the line, and were practically destroyed for what they revealed.

That is where I draw the historical comparison and state that COL. Prouty was involved in a limited hangout of sorts—COL. Prouty talks and very little blowback occurs—Sam Adams, Phil Agee, & Ralph McGehee talk, & they're put thru the ringer.

Something doesn't add up...

So you believe that because Prouty did not experience the exact same "destruction" as Adams, Agee, and McGehee Jr., then he must have somehow been involved in the Kennedy assassination, even if it was just via a "limited hangout" ?

21 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said:

You don't need to wonder. I've previously posted ad nasuam on the topic of document examination and authentication. 

Then why do you keep pushing back every time someone on this forum accurately repeats the fact that the veracity of the datebook is in question?

58 minutes ago, Eddy Bainbridge said:

My own judgment is that this is an extremely well researched and assembled book. I guess the majority of posters will find its conclusions unpalatable (Oswald was capable of having carried out the assassination alone, but the evidence does not foreclose on a conspiracy.)

I agree with your assessment of this book, Eddy. Mailer also made a cantankerous and entertaining appearance at the ASK Symposium in Dallas around the time of its release.

43 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said:

You're saying  the crime would be solved if we prove Oswald didn't kill Kennedy?

This skirts on the absurd, @Jonathan Cohen. Unless I'm mistaken, you and I had this same exchange months ago? 

No, I’m not saying the “crime” would be solved. But a positive ID of Oswald on the steps would by definition prove a conspiracy and as such invalidate every “Oswald did it alone” argument which has persisted since 1963. That may not be enough for you, but it’s perfectly reasonable that it would be enough for many other researchers who have devoted decades to the subject. I truly don’t understand the implication that the research community should be in any way obligated to throw all their chips in on your version of events, particularly given the questionable veracity of the datebook upon which it rests.

2 hours ago, Leslie Sharp said:

I stand by my argument that Prayer Man captured the imagination of many who might have been inclined to determine who, precisely, killed JFK, but any shiny object . . .

Don't you agree there was sufficient evidence Oswald was NOT the killer of the president WITHOUT evidence he was standing outside?  

Whether there is or isn't is, to me, irrelevant at this late date. Researchers, and the general public, rightly want DEFINITIVE proof ... not datebooks of unknown authenticity, not absurd theories about Lee Harvey Oswald doppelgangers, not a default position that all of the film and photo evidence from Dealey Plaza has been faked or altered. A definitive determination that Oswald was indeed standing in front of the TSBD during the assassination would end 60 years of debate in one fell swoop.

23 minutes ago, Leslie Sharp said:

LS1 I'm not "overboard." I'm pointing out that Prayer Man — by sheer bullying in many instances — seized the attention of amateur researchers who might have contributed to tracking down the killers instead. I remember early on, one of the primary promoters of Shane's theory said that he didn't give a fxxk who killed Kennedy.

Leslie, do you honestly believe that these so-called "amateur researchers" who had their "attention seized" are now incapable of studying any other aspect of the Kennedy assassination besides the identity of Prayer Man? I also find it a bit odd that you are passing judgment on what topics people "should" be studying. For instance, should Jefferson Morley stop suing the government so he can instead devote his full time and attention to a datebook of unknown authenticity?