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3 minutes ago, Tom Gram said:

Another witness to the Rambler incident is Marion Meharg. 

https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=10672#relPageId=56

Tom, I have a hard time taking Marion Meharg's deposition seriously on this matter ... do you believe him, given all the circumstances?

4 hours ago, Sean Coleman said:

What (iyo) were Oswald known movements?

Walking out of the Book Depository after helpfully directing a reporter to a phone, boarding a bus, exiting that bus, getting into a taxi, and arriving at his rooming house. To believe otherwise means every witness to those movements was lying or grossly mistaken, no?

4 hours ago, James DiEugenio said:

Are these all accurate?  If so, its pretty powerful evidence that it was Oswald or a double on that embankment.

They could be "accurate" in the sense that those people did make such statements, but that hardly means they're correct, and they in no way jive with Oswald's known movements from the time he left the Book Depository to the time he was arrested.

Mark Chapman murdered John Lennon - the end.

1 hour ago, Leslie Sharp said:

Who ran the Three Tramps Operation, assuming it was a diversion op?

Even if it wasn't officially designated as such in November '63, it certainly morphed into a successful diversion for this community for decades. . .  unless the purpose all along has been to trace the tramps to who positioned them in Dealey?

Nobody “ran” anything involving the tramps and there was no “purpose all along.” The only “diversion” was people like Bob Dylan trash-digger Alan Weberman claiming the men were secret CIA agents.

18 minutes ago, Ron Bulman said:

The arrest records state immediately after the president was shot.  Look at the shadows in the photos.

Ron, in my opinion, impossible-to-verify theories about shadows in photos do nothing to invalidate the arrest records and the actual 1992-era statements of two of the three men. 

42 minutes ago, David Josephs said:

. 6 people... aren't SIX different people...  unless you are trying to say the 3 tramps in the photos are not 3 different people and never have been.

The three tramps are Gus Abrams, Harold Doyle, and John Gedney, and we have both their arrest records and their own post-LaFontaine confirmations to prove it.

1 hour ago, David Josephs said:

All that matters to me at this time is that those 3 and the 3 arrested be recognized as 6 different people.

Except that they aren't three different people and never have been...

20 minutes ago, Larry Hancock said:

He certainly could have, although it would be pretty sloppy work for Domestic Contacts not to get handed off for indirect collections from someone like Oswald.  Another interesting point is if that was done indirectly in Fort Worth, its a pretty good sign Oswald was not a voluntary asset.  We know from other research that defectors like Webster were approached on their own and directly debriefed in some detail.

This is a crucial point in my opinion, Larry.  I have yet to see compelling evidence that Oswald was a voluntary asset of any intelligence organization, in the U.S. or otherwise.

Admiral Burkley, through his attorney, may have "attempted" to step forward to "debunk the WCR narrative," but it's quite unclear if he ever actually did. As such, he's not really a useful example per Paul's question. From the ARRB final report:

The Review Board contacted the children of deceased Vice Admiral George G. Burkley, former military White House physician to Presidents Kennedy and Johnson, to find out if their father had deposited his papers at any institution, or if they possessed any assassination records. The staff came up empty-handed.

According to House Select Committee on Assassinations records, Burkley's personal attorney apparently told the HSCA that his client believed there was a conspiracy to kill President Kennedy. Mr. Illig, Burkley's attorney, however, is now deceased. The Review Board staff asked Burkley's daughter, the executor of his estate, to sign a waiver allowing the Review Board access to papers at Illig's law firm, but she declined to sign and return the waiver.

3 minutes ago, David Josephs said:

You could always just ignore this thread if you disagree and let us do our work
You could always post something to convince me I'm wrong

You will never be convinced you are wrong, because you can always fall back on your beloved "all the evidence is fake" trope. But by all means, go "do your work" involving Lee Harvey Oswald doppelgangers, fake tramps, fake evidence, fake films, fake witnesses, fake documents ... When does it ever end?

33 minutes ago, Matt Allison said:

A lot of what is being posted here is total nonsense, which doesn't help anyone.

Once again, these AI chatbots you people are referencing are not accurate in the slightest; they fabricate things whole cloth:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hallucination_(artificial_intelligence)

I posted the modern photos of the three tramps marched through Dealey Plaza above; we have their names, the arrest record and photos match. They were not conspirators or involved in the assassination in any way.

We've had enough fake news from the Fascist Right-Wing in this country the past few years, let's not add to that problem here, OK?

Amen, times 100.

1 hour ago, James DiEugenio said:

Rand Paul agrees that Fauci BS'd the committee on this.

Do you expect people to feel reassured about ANYTHING simply because "Rand Paul agrees" with it? I sure don't ...

1 hour ago, David Josephs said:

Pointless, support-less LNer posts have infected the forums since there were forums... sometimes you need the stick instead of the carrot.

You, and others here, seem incapable of accepting the fact that someone can disagree with entrenched JFK conspiracy theory lore (ie., that all the evidence is fake, that there were two Oswalds) WITHOUT being a "LNer." Why is that so difficult to understand?

No matter what spin he tries to put on it after the fact, Kennedy is on video in the Post article linked in my original post, saying exactly the words attributed to him. Furthermore, according to a study by the Office for National Statistics, Jews had a higher mortality rate from COVID-19 in the United Kingdom compared to other ethnic groups.

I am astonished people here are willing to look past idiotic and frankly disturbing statements from Robert F. Kennedy Jr. such as the below, made earlier this week at a fundraising dinner in New York:

“COVID-19. There is an argument that it is ethnically targeted. COVID-19 attacks certain races disproportionately,” Kennedy said. “COVID-19 is targeted to attack Caucasians and black people. The people who are most immune are Ashkenazi Jews and Chinese.”

“We don’t know whether it was deliberately targeted or not but there are papers out there that show the racial or ethnic differential and impact,” Kennedy hedged.

https://nypost.com/2023/07/15/rfk-jr-says-covid-was-ethnically-targeted-to-spare-jews/

Nowhere in any of Pic's testimony does he say that the person in the photo was NOT his brother. He simply says he didn't recognize him, which is perfectly logical considering he hadn't seen him in person years.

31 minutes ago, David Josephs said:

There's plenty of logical explanations... just can't think of one or offer one here, there or anywhere.

They've been offered countless times on this forum and others, so there's literally no need to repeat them.

There is no such person as "Harvey." It is also preposterous to infer from John Pic's Warren Commission testimony that he actually believed his half-brother Lee had been "replaced" by some other human being.

There's no Harvey. Never was, never will be. Any reasonable person studying this case will plainly see that there are numerous perfectly logical explanations for any alleged "conflicts" in the school records that do not require doppelgangers or idiotic, decades-long government conspiracies.

10 minutes ago, Sandy Larsen said:

Oh well, these sorts of mishaps are bound to happen when an intelligence agency uses one teenager's background for another teenager.

There was no "Oswald Project" and there was one and only one historical Lee Harvey Oswald. Everything else is just delusion.

17 minutes ago, Michael Griffith said:

Stevens' article is mostly a bunch of nit-picking and accusing witnesses he does not like of lying, exaggerating, or misremembering. WC apologists always apply draconian standards to conspiracy witnesses but apply extremely lax standards to lone-gunman witnesses. And when parts of a pro-WC witness's story are clearly problematic, WC apologists ignore the dubious parts and accept the parts that support their view. Can you say "Helen Markham" and "Howard Brennan" and "William Whaley"?

This is also a ridiculous assessment of Mark's work, and the work of other accomplished posters on this subject such as Robert Charles Dunne and Jeremy Bojczuk. Are you accusing Mark of being a "WC apologist" simply because he rejects the shoddy research and the accompanying preposterous interpretations Armstrong draws from it?

2 hours ago, Sandy Larsen said:

But the truth remains that the witnesses (including family members) say that LHO attended Stripling in the fall semester of 1954, while only the Warren Commission and Greg Parker say that he attended Beauregard Junior High -- because of the extant Beauregard record. Which really is evidence for two Oswalds, one attending Stripling and the other attending Beauregard.

Absolute nonsense, because there never were "two Oswalds." Mark Stevens authoritatively shredded the Stripling theory in this thread.

1 hour ago, Michael Griffith said:

That is a good question. I will see if I can find out what happened with that project.

Michael, this question is already being discussed on this very thread.. see James DiEugenio's earlier replies.

1 hour ago, Michael Griffith said:

That won't work. Hawkeyeworks had no analytical function. NPIC did, but not Hawekeyeworks. (I worked at the agency into which NPIC was later merged for several years.) And why keep it secret if the purpose were merely analysis? And why two separate sets of briefing boards? And why destroy, or "lose," such historic evidentiary items?

The chief of NPIC at the time, Homer McMahon, told the ARRB that when he viewed the film, he concluded that there were six or seven shots from three directions.

So? This in no way lends credence to the notion that the film was "altered" at Hawkeye Works or NPIC. In fact, I find it ludicrous to believe the evil conspirators would go to such trouble on just ONE of the assassination films when they could in no way be certain that OTHER films wouldn't surface later and completely contradict the now-altered Zapruder footage.