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While reading EF it shrunk and is to small to read, does anyone
have an answer on how to fix this?
Am wondering if this message i am now is even readable. Will
appreciate any help or advise.
The site cannot hardly be read even with use of magnifying glass.
Thanks for any help.
Hj. Dean
Harry
Avoid viewing monitor through glass objects as this tends to distort the vision. hope this helps
A.E.Neuman
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I wish you a speedy recovery Duncan
see you soon I hope.
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Is anyone else having trouble with the jfkassassinationforum or jfkforum?
Duncan said he was having speed troubles and was migrating to a new site....
I thought I had the new link... but can't seem to find it.... I had already registered there as well...
at least I thought I did...
DJ
I'm guessing Duncan will post links here and there to lead people to the new location...
Mark, DJ
none of the links work
Ian
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Thanks to Bill Simpich for studying the documents available, it would appear that Nelson L. Raynock is Henry Hecksher.
Hecksher’s name is scribbled in the top right of this document.
Hecksher also used these pseudonyms: James D. Zaboth and Henry Boysen.
CIA Pseudonyms [Carl E. Jenkins, the only other CIA officer involved in AMWORLD to my knowledge, used the pseudo James E. Beckoff]
PHOTOS OF MANUEL ARTIME BUESA ALONE AND WITH MARTIN FERRER AND HENRY BOYSEN
Artime and Hecksher from the above link.
AMTHRILL's true identity is a mystery for another day.
Zach
Zach,
As you probably know already, Dick Russell (in "The man Who Knew Too Much") says that Nagell's friend in Mexico City, Arthur Greenstein told him that the "Bob" he met at a party was tall, wore glasses, and looked to be in his mid-thirties in 1962. For comparison purposes, do we know how tall Aritime was? I assume this photo was taken around 1962-63? If so, how old does this "Henry Boysen" look to you? Is he wearing glasses?
Thanks,
--Tommy
corrected and bumped; it was Greenstein who told this to Russell, not Nagell himself.
--Tommy
Tommy
Hecksher was station chief in Santiago when this occured :-
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Terrorism/Chile%20Coup_USHand.html
Ian
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Martin...
That which has been "blantantly obvious" over the years - changes.
I have come to learn, right here in fact, that those that assume an item of evidence is authentic should prove it.. belief & faith is best reserved for religion and childhood fairytales
Tom has done some great work in other areas... yet he keeps referring to the medical evidence as some reliable and authentic means of describing the injuries...
He posts with an air of underlying knowledge that only he has and the rest of us are just outside looking in..
So under that realization I'd still like to know who, after his conclusions regardint eh damage done by CE399... it comes into existence...
Who do you suppose has CE399 - i.e. which is the first recorded evidence showing CE399 as the current bullet in evidence? The CE photos?
DJ
FWIW I have considered a remote possibility that CE399 was recovered from Dealey Plaza. Dallas police officer, Joe W. Foster, told the Commission he had “found where one shot had hit the turf” (6H252) and, the infamous series of photographs taken by Black Star photographer, Jim Murry, show Foster and other officers inspecting the lawn. In these pictures a sandy-haired man in a suit, later identified by Dallas police chief Jesse Curry as an FBI agent, is seen apparently picking a bullet out of the grass and putting it in his left pocket. Could it be that this unidentified FBI agent carried the bullet straight to FBI HQ in Washington? This might explain how Robert Frazier could have CE399 in his possession over an hour before Elmer Todd received the stretcher bullet in the White House.
Martin
I believe the FBI man was Kyle G Clark.
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Sorry Jim nothing like the Avro
1st one i saw was hovering tree top high about 15ft across 12ft high in the center was 3 flashing reddish orange lights silver in color made no sound at all i was about 100ft from it
2ND one i saw was one of those flying triangles i and a friend was doing some night fishing and coming back to the town where we lived at the time.
We were driving a long a level road in the county where we both lived. Saw a light going across the sky at a very low level to the ground. As we were on the level it was above the regular level of the ground. We could see it get closer we saw it was a flying triangle.
To the level of the Reg ground to the ship was about 70ft and from where we were about 15ft
it was a massive ship best guess side of the ship 40ft the back part about the same.
It sailed across the sky at a slow pace and this made no sound it all.
We watched it until we no longer could see it.
I learned not to tell everyone that you saw a UFO. You get a lot of jokes thrown back at you. Like Yea you saw a UFO oh was Elvis there also! stuff like that
If you want to see the level roads where i live just google 1993 Mississippi river flood Perry County Missouri
If you want to see the level roads where i live just google 1993 Mississippi river flood Perry County MissouriI think that most aliens who don't want to get caught in Texas go to Missouri, that's because they don't want to go back to Mexico.
It must be the chillies!.
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MYSTERY FRAMES. Sixth floor museum clueless
Karl Kinaski,Gary Mack has sent you this email from http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php.
Those aren't Oliver Stone frames - he did a much more accurate job with how he dressed and placed his actors. But the frames do come from one of the many other recreations filmed in Dallas over the years.
Gary Mack
Me:
Yes. I am convinced they are not from Stone. If it is an earlier recreation I would like to track down the originators of this movie. I would like to see the whole recreation. Just to rule out the possibility, that these frames are another set of manipulated Zapruder frames... as I said it in the Ed-Forum: the origin of this frames is an unanswered question.
KK
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May I put your email into the forum, to inflame the discussion?
Thx
Karl,I don’t mind you passing along the email or this one, but I was referring to the “Zapruder” view you posted back in 2009. That’s a different film than the “aftermath” scene which might very well have been in the Stone film. I was on the set that day and he had all the Elm Street bystanders in the right locations (well, Babushka was off but close enough) and wearing the right color and style of clothes. I talked to some of the actors and they were surprised he was able to find a company that could come up with so much early 60s clothing for them.
That’s why I doubted the “Zapruder” film frames came from Stone, for why would he spend the time and money to make sure everyone matched the Z film but then film other scenes in which they didn’t? The people in the frames you posted two years ago certainly weren’t there on 11/22.
And as I said, many re-creations have been done over the years starting in the mid-60s. I’ve seen most of them and they aren’t very accurate. Stone did a great job getting that part correct.
There was a Twilight Zone version in 1985, a Quantum Leap episode in 1992, and several others. The Quantum Leap two-part episode airs tomorrow morning on the G4 cable channel, so you might take a look at that.
As for the “aftermath” scene, I’d have to dig out the “JFK” DVD and go through the entire film…..please don’t ask me to do that.
Gary
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Karl,
23.1. 2012
The Quantum Leap program aired this morning, but I recorded and watched it. The assassination was not recreated the way your curious 2009 frames show. So I don't know where they came from, but am still confident they did not come from any part of the Stone film.
Gary
Me:
If the Mystery Frames are not from Stone (acc. to Gary Mack), and nobody can find a recreation which fit them, there is IMO only one conclusion left: these frames are just another set of manipulated Zapruder-Frames.
KK
PS It is my understanding, that Gary Mack claims, that the short aftermath-szene, posted by Duncan in this thread, is a Stone-Recreation.
I think that is not the case...
Karl
Are the mystery frames from "the Watchmen" I have only seen it once but it looked pretty good but did not have time to review it .
Ian
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Martin, I feel your pain. So I've uploaded "Bloody Treason" as well.
Thanks Barry Gives us newbies a chance to catch up so kind.
Ian
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What was the name of the work crew that did the flooring etc?
Bill Shelley
Billy Lovelady
Jack Dougherty
Danny Arce
Charles Givens
and by some accounts, Bonnie Ray Williams and/or Hank Norman may have helped out.
According to the statements of all the employees, the only account of a stranger or unknown person in the TSBD on the morning of 11/22/63 was an 80 year old man that talked to Danny Arce.
anybody recognise the cop?.
Sorry, Ian, I have no idea who that policeman is. Gary Mack probably knows. Why don't you ask him? Why? You think he was one of the conspirators?
--Tommy
Tommy
No I was wondering if the cop was assisting the old man as he is holding his right arm or why this picture would end up in the WC, I was considering why the old chap would be wearing his best rifle- concealment jacket on such a lovely day
And then I came to my senses and reallised there are so many odd things in those 26 volumes.
Serendipity Tommy thats the key fire off all the available synapses (too few I know)and see what the cat drags in.
This is incredibly boring for you guys but it does wonders for me.
Ian
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What was the name of the work crew that did the flooring etc?
Bill Shelley
Billy Lovelady
Jack Dougherty
Danny Arce
Charles Givens
and by some accounts, Bonnie Ray Williams and/or Hank Norman may have helped out.
According to the statements of all the employees, the only account of a stranger or unknown person in the TSBD on the morning of 11/22/63 was an 80 year old man that talked to Danny Arce.
anybody recognise the cop?.
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Craig? Tink? Speer? You've each been invited to actually VIEW THE EVIDENCE. This is evidence that you have each been commenting on WITHOUT having ever seen it for yourselves!
So you know what each of us has seen and measured? I don't think so.
I don't know what you have viewed. I do know that you have made critical observations concerning this evidence which you have NOT viewed. You are invited to actually conduct primary research by viewing this evidence. If you are unable to do so due to financial or personal or professional reasons, I understand and no one should hold that against you.
However, if you are capable of examining and evaluating this evidence, I encourage you to accept the invitation. If not, I will not draw any conclusions about you and/or about your reasons for declining the invitation.
Greg
I think your offer is fantastic to actually view something tangible But perhaps Tink,Pat and Craig already have their answers,But it already sounds as if others are indicating that if this is a third generation copy it will not display what is on the camera original and as none here have veiwed the original this problem will persist until the original is veiwed(another 50 years)How can Sydney or anybody be sure of what they have is from the original with so many copies on the net.Recently Gerda Dunckel discovered a difference between the MPI and an older copy the difference was obviously to show only this part and this is why it was edited.
I guess we will have to wait until Sydney produces the DVD.
Ian
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See post How did the police first learn of 1026 N. Beckley? By Steve Thomas
[/url] http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=2331
and from PDS's Deep Politics & the Death of JFK:
p. 276 The Plot and the Coverup – Deep Politics and the Death of JFK by PDS
...two minutes earlier by Jack Alston Crichton, a right-wing Republican, oil operator, member of Army Intelligence Reserve (9 WH 106), and head of "a local Army Intelligence Unit" (WCD 386, SS 1058). Crichton knew Mamantov personally as a fellow petroleum geologist. He also knew him because Mamantov was a precinct chairman o the Republican party, for which Crichton became the 1964 candidate for governor of Texas.
Federal Bureau of Investigation agents, military intelligence teams from the army, navy, and air force, and other federal agencies with investigators operating from headquarters here…The job of [Revill's] intelligence section in Capt. Gannaway's bureau…requires the closest cooperation with these other governmental agencies gathering intelligence on subversive groups suspected of espionage…With membership in a national police intelligence organization known as LEIU (Law Enforcement Intelligence Units) the local officers are able to get information almost immediately on suspected subversives when they move into Dallas. This information is exchanged by police units as these persons move from city to city…Employes in [industrial] plants are carefully screened by security conscious personnel officers, and in key jobs are given strict government security clearances. Industry is taking great strides to upgrade security practices. One such group in this area is the American Society for Industrial Security. 10
The most intriguing "Harvey Lee Oswald" document is Jack Revill's list of employees at the Texas School Book Depository, compiled right after the assassination, before Oswald had been apprehended for the Tippit murder. For some unexplained reason, Oswald's inverted name ("Harvey Lee Oswald") was at the very head of that list, accompanied by an address, "605 Elsbeth," that slightly misrepresented the address (602 Elsbeth) where he had resided a year earlier (24 WH 259). 13 The Elsbeth address does suggest that Oswald's data had been parked for some time before the assassination in an intelligence file, not hitherto identified. One possibility would be the files of the LEIU, the Law Enforcement Intelligence Unit, the intercity police-intelligence organization of which Revill as the lead local representative. LEIU's files, unlike ordinary police files, cannot be given to any civilian authorities and are treated as exempt from the Freedom of Information Act. As we shall see, it was also a frequent practice for the LEIU member intelligence units to collaborate with army intelligence. 14.
Another army reserve officer in Dealey plaza may have been Winston Lawson, the White House Secret Service agent responsible for the choice of the Kennedy motorcade route (4 WH 318). Lawson's first three reports of what happened on and before November 22 raise considerable questions about his performance…… [emphasis added by T. Graves]
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See post How did the police first learn of 1026 N. Beckley? By Steve Thomas
[/url] http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=2331
and from PDS's Deep Politics & the Death of JFK:
p. 276 The Plot and the Coverup – Deep Politics and the Death of JFK by PDS
...two minutes earlier by Jack Alston Crichton, a right-wing Republican, oil operator, member of Army Intelligence Reserve (9 WH 106), and head of "a local Army Intelligence Unit" (WCD 386, SS 1058). Crichton knew Mamantov personally as a fellow petroleum geologist. He also knew him because Mamantov was a precinct chairman o the Republican party, for which Crichton became the 1964 candidate for governor of Texas.
Federal Bureau of Investigation agents, military intelligence teams from the army, navy, and air force, and other federal agencies with investigators operating from headquarters here…The job of [Revill's] intelligence section in Capt. Gannaway's bureau…requires the closest cooperation with these other governmental agencies gathering intelligence on subversive groups suspected of espionage…With membership in a national police intelligence organization known as LEIU (Law Enforcement Intelligence Units) the local officers are able to get information almost immediately on suspected subversives when they move into Dallas. This information is exchanged by police units as these persons move from city to city…Employes in [industrial] plants are carefully screened by security conscious personnel officers, and in key jobs are given strict government security clearances. Industry is taking great strides to upgrade security practices. One such group in this area is the American Society for Industrial Security. 10
The most intriguing "Harvey Lee Oswald" document is Jack Revill's list of employees at the Texas School Book Depository, compiled right after the assassination, before Oswald had been apprehended for the Tippit murder. For some unexplained reason, Oswald's inverted name ("Harvey Lee Oswald") was at the very head of that list, accompanied by an address, "605 Elsbeth," that slightly misrepresented the address (602 Elsbeth) where he had resided a year earlier (24 WH 259). 13 The Elsbeth address does suggest that Oswald's data had been parked for some time before the assassination in an intelligence file, not hitherto identified. One possibility would be the files of the LEIU, the Law Enforcement Intelligence Unit, the intercity police-intelligence organization of which Revill as the lead local representative. LEIU's files, unlike ordinary police files, cannot be given to any civilian authorities and are treated as exempt from the Freedom of Information Act. As we shall see, it was also a frequent practice for the LEIU member intelligence units to collaborate with army intelligence. 14.
Another army reserve officer in Dealey plaza may have been Winston Lawson, the White House Secret Service agent responsible for the choice of the Kennedy motorcade route (4 WH 318). Lawson's first three reports of what happened on and before November 22 raise considerable questions about his performance…… [emphasis added by T. Graves]
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You say something that someone in the goverment does not like you may windup in a 3rd world country in a black cell
and never seen again.
Quite so Mark but some of them are more "equal" than others and will escape the wrath of the comintern oops I meant comittee oops again maybe we should just call them the history men!.
Ian
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David.
Been asking that one for years David.If Truly is to be believed (twice) He Identified two strangers(to Baker)
Oswald in the lunchroom and a man in a Tan Jacket on the 3rd/4th floor. with "he works here"so we know that the tan jacket man was an employee well known to Truly .Baker does not mention Drawing his weapon on the tan man nor does Truly mention a weapon . Speculation:perhaps he recognised him before he turned back towards them and offered the information before Baker needed to ask!:I think this tan man would be in the list of employees .So when the "wheres Oswald?" shout came about Truly could have offered the information that he had seen him in the lunchroom earlier ,Or is this where he stepped away while the authorities spoke?.If Jack Dougherty said "something caught my eye when Oswald came in to work
that morning" We would be arguing that point I believed JD was used in other ways up on the 6th floor and that is why it is so difficult to find out any background on him .I find it hard to believe the early critics missed this one ,after all we found the name of the manhole cover FBI agent who did not want to be found .
How hard can it be? Said the discoverer of diamonds.
Ian
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Could this be the same guy? He appears to be very tall.
Duncan,
I just found out from ancestry.com's military records that when Jack E. Dougherty (born in 1923 in Texas) enlisted in (Army) Air Corps in Dallas on 11/24/42, he was 74 inches tall (6'2") and weighed 165 pounds. He would have been 19 years old at the time.
--Tommy
Tommy
Jack would have been 40 in 63 And after years of manual work would have Bulked up a bit .The guy in the picture has large shoulders and neck (unless he worked out ) I would say he was a manual worker.In my trade(stonemason)you get large around the shoulders and neck due to the constant lifting onto a bench.No doubt this guy moved a lot of something on a regular basis.Jack Dougherty is very elusive when it comes to his past I email his Alumni every year to get a picture from his old school album maybe someone else could try it from Stateside the address is:-
http://sunsetalumniassociation.homestead.com/MessageCenter.html
I think I traced him to an airfield in Indiana (Freeman airfield) for his army service.
Ian
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Thanks for the Holiday Wishes, Kathleen.
Now, down to business.
If anyone remembers what a tough cookie you are, it's me, no? You betcha. Keep on keepin' on, my friend.
Hang in there, Kathy.
Now for some more bad news. I found out about a week ago at the emergency room that I'm going to have to have prostate surgery. Seriously. And I'm afraid it's malignant because I can smell it. (Kind of like the smell of a hyena's breath. Get the picture?) I'll find out more today at the UCSD Medical Center urology department. Of course all the doctors are on Christmas holiday until Jan. 3, so some technician will take a look at me and hopefully give me some good advice. I'm only 62 years old.
This is not a joke.
--Tommy
P.S. Gotta look on the bright side. Maybe this will motivate me to start wrapping up my "novel".
P.P.S. Excuse me for "sharing"this with you, but I don't have a whole hell of a lot of friends in "real" life. Some of you should know me pretty well by now, and I consider you "friends". Sorry to be morose and morbid and all that, but right now I'm scared poop-less. Pardon my French.
To
Kathy and Tommy
Just sharing it shows you are strong, you have my admiration and are in my thought for doing so .
All my very best wishes++++++
Ian
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I remember reading that somewhere years ago.
Thanks,
--Tommy
He must have had foreknowledge Tommy ,Otherwise why the tears?,
Once again, your humor escapes me, Ian. Probably just too abtruse for me. I ask for help and I get an enigmatic reply. LOL
--Tommy
Jfk ,,, sob ah just seen the periods , it was a bit Obtuse!
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I remember reading that somewhere years ago.
Thanks,
--Tommy
He must have had foreknowledge Tommy ,Otherwise why the tears?,
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Hi Dave
Henry wade gets a mention here too :- http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/history/wc_period/pre-wcr_reactions_to_assassination/pre-wcr_reactions_by_the_left/Oswald_and_FBI/Oswald_and_FBI.html
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I felt compelled to comment but have no feelings either way.
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"Christian
You appear to be plugging away on your own here amigo ,We are watching with hope that the penny will drop and we suddenly understand the "limits" of the process .I must admit the work on the right lateral photo is very persuasive do you have other iterations on this photo as it appears a sharp contrast(no pun intended)to the actual photo?.
Ian"
...well, I almost done anyway. Like I said, this is done so that there is a record of it, essentially:
*I have explained the concept behind the process
*I have answered with convincing counter arguments, I think, the legitimate questions asked
*I have explained step by step how to proceed
*I have shown results obtained, starting first with the undisputed image of Black Dog Man in Belzner
*I have explained in details why these images cannot be dismissed as optical illusions
*I have suggested 2 ways that the validity of the process can be checked, using quantified values
*I have proposed to send a complete file (the Bond 4 file) to anyone wanting to verify it
So I think that's pretty much all I can do. Glad it's done though...
Christian
Thanks for your fantastic efforts ,Do you have any objections to your images being distributed
among other forums?.
Ian
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LHO's favorite soft drink was Dr Pepper. I wonder why he (allegedly) bought a Coke that day.
--Tommy
Tommy
I thought the word was "Soda" in America would this not cover all the drinks Dr Pepper,Coke,7Up and Pepsi?.
In the U.K. a Soda would mean a soda water usually from a Syphon type dispenser.
Ian
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Original frame taken from my copy of JFK The Lost Bullet DVD.
I enhanced the arrowed area. What do you see?
Gif Animation by Gerda Dunckel
Great work, Duncan!
Regarding "I enhanced the arrowed area. What do you see?", I see two men standing near the window, the one on the right a bit farther back and wearing a white shirt or T-shirt. The one on the left looking down and wearing a tan jacket and possibly holding a rifle vertically in front of him from with the butt of the rifle about at his chest and going down from there. The head of the guy on the right is partially obscured by that brown thing on the left and he's looking down and pretty far to his left so that his head is almost "in profile" and he looks like he has a receding hairline and long sideburns. Only the top two-thirds (or less) of the face of the guy on the left is visible. He has a receding hairline as well and two "locks" or "shocks" (or whatever you call them) of hair from the top-front part of his head are falling onto his forehead because that hair's fairly long and he's looking down at a steep angle. That's what I see.
What do you see?
--Tommy
Based on the premise that we're allowed (perhaps even encouraged) to change our minds, I now see another possibility. The two faces I "saw" earlier are still "there", but this photo is like one of those optical illusions where, for example, you see a chalice in the middle when you look at it one way and when you look at it in a different way you instead see two human faces, one male and one female, facing each othe in-profile and the chalice has "disappeared", the two relatively small images of men I mentioned earlier "disappear" when you focus your eyes differently and "realize" that there is a much larger image of a man's head in the photo and that if this image represents reality, the two smaller heads couldn't, and vice versa. The single large head, which takes up about 80% of the photo, belongs to a man who is looking far to his right and therefore his face is in about "3/4 profile". He has dark hair which is long on top and cascades over his forehead a bit as though he's styled it that way to conceal a receding hairline. He has no sideburns. Anyway, that's what I "see" now. The two smaller men are still "there" in the "background" when you focus your eyes on them, kind of like those "two faces" in the optical illusion I mentioned above. The photo is different, however, from the "chalice/two faces optical illusion" in that in this case the "chalice" (the man's head that takes up 80% of the photo) is so large that it blocks our "view" of the "two faces" (the two smaller men in the "virtual background". The problem now is deciding which image represents reality. That's hard to do because both involve problems with the scale of the two smaller men in the photo's "background" as well as the scale of the one large man in the photo's "foreground": neither seem to be realistic. It seems that small men are too small and the large face is too large. Perhaps they are both illusions.
I see other things in the photo, as well, but I hesitate to describe these other things to you. I'd much rather go take another hit of LSD. JUST KIDDING ABOUT THAT. LOL
--Tommy
P.S. Re: The large head in the "virtual foreground". The guy's face resembles LHO or Tan Jacket Man (IMHO).
Tommy
Ya Gotta lay off the Lysergic chasers bro ,It Frags the optics!.
Ian
Never used it, never will.
Never thought you did Tommy
Sorry no offence meant.
My comedic license just got stamped ...Learner
Ian.
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