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  1. Scott,

    It's time to take a pill and chill, dude. We all sometimes get hot under the collar but you're losing control. Put the keyboard in the fridge for the evening.

    Lee,

    I call it like I see it, if I don't cover up my father's crap what makes you think I'm going to cover up someone else's? First off, my father was killed for having to much information on Kennedy's assassination and I get a bit touchy when I think someone is trying to hide something, we're not talking about a petty theft crime, were talking about the crime of the century and the "killing" of my father. What more do you want from me? I'm not afraid to die and when I discover those involved you bet your assets the world will know....

    Scott

    What appears to be an attack is probably down to frustration .Members here have been seeking the facts for many years

    And are deeply disappointed at the apparent failure of "New discoveries".You on the other hand offer hope with your contacts in Miami and your Fathers Notebook and other information I cannot wait for the release of your book I just wish it was sooner.

    Ian

    Yes Ian,

    Thank you for your kind words, you are right, I can see how many can get frustrated over a case that has been ongoing for nearly 50 years, in many ways I have changed and sometimes forget where I am, so if I have lashed out, attacked or insulted anyone in anyway. I apologize in the way I have been towards people, it too has been my biggest frustration, to find out what really happen to my father. I too wish the book would have been out sooner, I really wanted it to come out months ago, but my co-author said in a firm voice "We will not put out crap"! What I thought was not crap months ago evolved into something unexpected, I just hope I live through it.

    Scott

    Get some "insurance" amigo

  2. Scott,

    It's time to take a pill and chill, dude. We all sometimes get hot under the collar but you're losing control. Put the keyboard in the fridge for the evening.

    Lee,

    I call it like I see it, if I don't cover up my father's crap what makes you think I'm going to cover up someone else's? First off, my father was killed for having to much information on Kennedy's assassination and I get a bit touchy when I think someone is trying to hide something, we're not talking about a petty theft crime, were talking about the crime of the century and the "killing" of my father. What more do you want from me? I'm not afraid to die and when I discover those involved you bet your assets the world will know....

    Scott

    What appears to be an attack is probably down to frustration .Members here have been seeking the facts for many years

    And are deeply disappointed at the apparent failure of "New discoveries".You on the other hand offer hope with your contacts in Miami and your Fathers Notebook and other information I cannot wait for the release of your book I just wish it was sooner.

    Ian

  3. Here are a few still shoots of my interview with Posada, one of Pepin, one of me and Tony and one of me and Nino Diaz. What an incrediable week I had with some incrediable people. Miami brought back lots of old memories to those who I talked to about my dad, Thanks Bambi, Pepin, Tony and Nino Diaz. BTW, Diaz introduced me to a guy named Cagin who put me in touch with Musculito. I called Musculito from Diaz' home, and as we talked over the phone. He told me that he was one of the burglars that was arrested at Watergate. He also mentioned that my father was one of the burglars no one knew about, that's how he got a hold of the photo's of Sturgis and Hunt.

    So I'm guessing, what Jim Hogan had to say about who the sixth man was in Watergate was is incorrect, as I said all a long it was my dad.

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20673422/Interviews%20with%20the%20Cubans%20043.JPG

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20673422/Interviews%20with%20the%20Cubans%20053.JPG

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20673422/Interviews%20with%20the%20Cubans%20063.JPG

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20673422/Interviews%20with%20the%20Cubans%20064.JPG

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20673422/Interviews%20with%20the%20Cubans%20065.JPG

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20673422/Interviews%20with%20the%20Cubans%20067.JPG

    Scott

    I know its an oldie but with all your contacts in Miami ,Have you thought to ask where the money came from to sponsor all the activities going on.It appears to me that David Atlee Phillips would have contacted many of them .If the groups that were willing to get their hands dirty were off the radar officially maybe they would have met Maurice Bishop the off the radar contact. It may be worth asking them about thier handlers .I bet thier is a name or two known here!.

    Ian

    Ian,

    That is a very good question, please do not hesitate to email me with any questions at scott@kaiser-industries.com I plan on going back again better prepared. I would like to invite anyone interested in going with me? "Serious inquiries only please", I beleive that we could get better information if the right questions were asked.

    William Kelly asked a question about Gordon Campbell Yacht, I asked Posada and he gave me the name Venus. But, I'd like to know more.

    Scott

    Thanks for the quick reply. I also believe the simplest questions about the basics will help to build a picture of who was controlling the various groups,This could also reveal times and dates When certain individuals were present in Miami?.

    Ian

  4. Here are a few still shoots of my interview with Posada, one of Pepin, one of me and Tony and one of me and Nino Diaz. What an incrediable week I had with some incrediable people. Miami brought back lots of old memories to those who I talked to about my dad, Thanks Bambi, Pepin, Tony and Nino Diaz. BTW, Diaz introduced me to a guy named Cagin who put me in touch with Musculito. I called Musculito from Diaz' home, and as we talked over the phone. He told me that he was one of the burglars that was arrested at Watergate. He also mentioned that my father was one of the burglars no one knew about, that's how he got a hold of the photo's of Sturgis and Hunt.

    So I'm guessing, what Jim Hogan had to say about who the sixth man was in Watergate was is incorrect, as I said all a long it was my dad.

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20673422/Interviews%20with%20the%20Cubans%20043.JPG

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20673422/Interviews%20with%20the%20Cubans%20053.JPG

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20673422/Interviews%20with%20the%20Cubans%20063.JPG

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20673422/Interviews%20with%20the%20Cubans%20064.JPG

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20673422/Interviews%20with%20the%20Cubans%20065.JPG

    http://dl.dropbox.com/u/20673422/Interviews%20with%20the%20Cubans%20067.JPG

    Scott

    I know its an oldie but with all your contacts in Miami ,Have you thought to ask where the money came from to sponsor all the activities going on.It appears to me that David Atlee Phillips would have contacted many of them .If the groups that were willing to get their hands dirty were off the radar officially maybe they would have met Maurice Bishop the off the radar contact. It may be worth asking them about thier handlers .I bet thier is a name or two known here!.

    Ian

  5. I concur with John's assessment of both of these seminal treatises on the assassination.

    I may have to re-read Gaeton Fonzi's "Last Investigation".

    His description of Antonio Veciana's seeing DAP (aka Maurice Bishop) in the Senate Office Building (or wherever the deposition took place, I forget the precise circumstances) is quite telling.

    Don't spoil it ,I got the book for my birthday today.

  6. On 11th December, 1959, Colonel J. C. King, chief of CIA's Western Hemisphere Division, sent a confidential memorandum to Allen W. Dulles, the director of the Central Intelligence Agency. King argued that in Cuba there existed a "far-left dictatorship, which if allowed to remain will encourage similar actions against U.S. holdings in other Latin American countries."

    As a result of this memorandum Dulles established Operation 40. It obtained this name because originally there were 40 agents involved in the operation. Later this was expanded to 70 agents. The group was presided over by Richard Nixon. Tracy Barnes became operating officer of what was also called the Cuban Task Force. The first meeting chaired by Barnes took place in his office on 18th January, 1960, and was attended by David Atlee Phillips, E. Howard Hunt, Jack Esterline, and Frank Bender.

    On 4th March, 1960, La Coubre, a ship flying a Belgian flag, exploded in Havana Bay. It was loaded with arms and ammunition that had been sent to help defend Cuba's revolution from its enemies. The explosion killed 75 people and over 200 were injured. Fabian Escalante, an officer of the Department of State Security (G-2), later claimed that this was the first successful act carried out by Operation 40.

    One member, Frank Sturgis, claimed: "this assassination group (Operation 40) would upon orders, naturally, assassinate either members of the military or the political parties of the foreign country that you were going to infiltrate, and if necessary some of your own members who were suspected of being foreign agents... We were concentrating strictly in Cuba at that particular time."

    Over the next few years Operation 40 worked closely with several anti-Castro Cuban organizations including Alpha 66. CIA officials and freelance agents such as Porter Goss, E. Howard Hunt, David Morales, Bernard L. Barker, Frank Sturgis, Barry Seal, and William C. Bishop also joined the project. Cuban figures used by the Operation 40 included Antonio Veciana, Luis Posada, Orlando Bosch, Roland Masferrer, Eladio del Valle, Guillermo Novo, Carlos Bringuier, Eugenio Martinez, Antonio Cuesta, Hermino Diaz Garcia, Felix Ismael Rodriguez, Juan Manuel Salvat, Ricardo Morales Navarrete, Isidro Borjas, Virgilio Paz, Jose Dionisio Suarez, Felipe Rivero, Gaspar Jimenez Escobedo, Nazario Sargent, Pedro Luis Diaz Lanz, Rafael Quintero, Jose Basulto, and Paulino Sierra.

    http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKoperation40.htm

    The picture below is of interest. This photograph was taken in a nightclub in Mexico City on 22nd January, 1963. It is believed that the men in the photograph are all members of Operation 40. It has been suggested that closest to the camera on the left is Felix Rodriguez. Next to him is Porter Goss and Barry Seal. It has been claimed that Tosh Plumlee is attempting to hide his face with his coat. Others in the picture are Alberto 'Loco' Blanco (3rd right) and Jorgo Robreno (4th right).

    I would be interested in the opinions of Gerry and Tosh on this photograph.

    Tosh for sure could finally end the dispute (demopedia) between you and Daniel Hopsicker who claims in "Barry and the Boys" that the guy hiding his face is Frank Sturgis.

    George

    ps: somewhere I read that the first guy on the right is William Seymour (?)

    Tosh for sure could finally end the dispute (demopedia) between you and Daniel Hopsicker who claims in "Barry and the Boys" that the guy hiding his face is Frank Sturgis.

    The guy who is hinding his face is Frank.

    Fiorini or Kaiser?.

  7. Christopher, I am sceptical as to whether the networks would allow an anchor-type (or someone with a daily show, who can appear the next day to correct mistakes made by the opposition) to present a conspiracy view on Television. It is possible, that O'Reilly may have moved up ON CONDITION that he dropped the hot potato. Maybe an unstated quid pro quo.

    My reason for speculating the above is by reading Barbi Zelizer's book Covering The Body. Its about the TV networks and the assassination and how assassination coverage in Dallas became part and parcel of the ligitimation of TV news as an institution.

    Another reason is my close observation of media coverage of the 40th anniversary in 2003. I noticed an interesting contrast. On the Lehrer Newshour they had six historians. Five and half agreed with LN, the exception being half of Bechloss who emitted an interesting caveat about the Warren Commission that would allow him to escape in a hurry, because (In my opinion) he knew how shaky it had become.

    Later, throughout the weekend, I saw many journalists who had been in Dallas. A vast majority of them believe in a conspiracy (this was C-Span coverage) These were reporters who were more grunt-reporter types, although they did include 60 minutes producer Don Hewit.

    It led to a hypothesis of mine that if you wanted to advance in TV radio journalism, CT was definitely a slower lane. This hypothesis was only stregnthened by reading Zelzer's book. She is a professor of Communications.

    I also think there is something of the medium is the message about it. If you have a daily show that represents a HUGE advantage. You can string points together, you can reemphasize points you made on previous shows etc. Now suppose you are a CT er appearing maybe once every three years. You have to build your argument from scratch, and the amount of time you have makes it almost impossible.

    Personally I would welcome O'Reilly's help no matter how much I can't stand him. I just don't think his position will allow him to help even if he wanted to. It's a structural thing.

    As I recall, either the History Channel or A & E did a 5 evening special entitled "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" in November, 2003, but I was unaware of what PBS was airing in connection with the 40th anniversary. In fact, I think that I have it on DVD.

    In reality, even if O'Reilly wanted to truly push the issue and give it a lot of continued air time, the decision as to whether to proceed in that manner would invariably be made above his pay grade, presumably by Roger Ailes or Rupert Murdoch after they had received a visit from someone high up in the Administration.

    Maybe envisioning O'Reilly taking on VB is just wishful thinking, but I would like to see someone cross swords with VB instead of, in effect, asking him why we should buy his book.

    Perhaps Now is a good time as Roop seems distracted trying to keep afloat at the moment.its a shame JFK never had a mobile

    as we could have heard the shots direct through hacking his calls,Or maybe a text that just says Bang..Bang/bang..bang!.

  8. I believe there was a Pujol (possibly a minister) in Prio's govt before Castro, but maybe its a common name

    also found this

    "As the provincial Mexican newspaper, Por Esto reported on March 16, the Santrina was captained by the old CIA agent" —by the old CIA agent— "José Pujol, known as ‘Pepín’ and Santiago Alvarez himself was on board. This was recorded in a photo published by the same paper in an article headlined ‘The Santrina will continue on its way to Miami’".

    I found it here:-

    http://www.granma.cubaweb.cu/english/speeches/art09.html

  9. And I'm sure the same type of unethical tactics were used on witnesses across the board. Some subtle, some not so subtle.

    How's this one: Callaway gave an affidavit ( 24 H 204 ) identifying Oswald as the man he saw before he even saw the lineup. In his testimony, Jim Leavelle, who took the affidavits from Callaway and Sam Guinyard ( 24 H 210 ), reported that he took the affidavits "while waiting for the showup". ( 24 H 311 )

    Leavelle's WC testimony confirms that the affidavits were taken while the witnesses were waiting for the lineup participants to come down the elevator.

    Mr. BALL. Did you take statements from them?

    Mr. LEAVELLE. I believe I took affidavits from them, according to my notes, there while we were waiting for them to come down.

    ( 7 H 264 )

    So the affidavits of Callaway and Guinyard, which identified the "No. 2 man" ( Oswald ) in the lineup as the man they saw running with the gun/pistol in his hand, were taken BEFORE EITHER MAN HAD VIEWED OSWALD IN A LINEUP !!!!

    Gil

    It appears that leavelle had a habit of taking statements before lineups he did the same to Whaley

    Mr. BELIN. Did they have any statements on there before you went down to the lineup?

    Mr. WHALEY. I never saw what they had in there. It was all written out by hand. The statement I saw, I think, was this one, and that could be writing. I might not even seen this one yet. I signed my name because they said that is what I said.

    Ian

  10. Miliband mulls MPs' demands to remove hacking-inquiry judge

    Labour leader shares concerns over impartiality of Lord Justice Leveson after revelations that he attended parties at the home of Elisabeth Murdoch

    The Independent

    By Jane Merrick, Jonathan Owen, Brian Brady and Martin Hickman

    Sunday, 24 July 2011

    Ed Miliband is considering demands by MPs for the judge in charge of the phone-hacking inquiry to be removed from his post after reports that he had socialised with members of Rupert Murdoch's family.

    Sources close to the Labour leader said he shared the concerns raised over the impartiality of Lord Justice Leveson after it emerged that the judge attended two parties at the London home of Elisabeth Murdoch, the News Corporation chairman's daughter who is regarded as the heir to the business, and her husband, Matthew Freud.

    David Cameron knew about the parties before appointing Lord Leveson to chair the inquiry into the scandal, Downing Street admitted.

    Reminds me of how LBJ formed the Warren Commission with fully compromised individuals.

    Looks like the infection is spreading:-

    http://www.forbes.com/feeds/ap/2011/07/24/general-broadcasting-amp-entertainment-eu-britain-phone-hacking_8581521.html

    How many more confessions before Murdoch capitulates .

    Cameron is putting distance between himself and Roop cos Murdoch has the dirt on them all and will drag all down with himself OR the enquiry will have to be BENT.Maybe in 10 years we will have another enquiry to say the first and second enquiries were wrong or maybe a fourth or fifth!.anything but the right result seems paranoidly familiar!.

  11. Murdochs 'in family fallout' over crisis

    Biographer Michael Wolff claims Elisabeth Murdoch outburst was directed not just at Rebekah Brooks but also her brother James

    By Jamie Doward and Lisa O'Carroll

    guardian.co.uk,

    Saturday 16 July 2011 19.03 BST

    Tensions at the heart of Rupert Murdoch's empire were threatening to explode into the open last night amid claims that the media mogul's children were turning on each other.

    A biographer of Murdoch, Michael Wolff, claimed that the tycoon's daughter, Elisabeth, had said her brother James had "xxxxed the company".

    Last week Murdoch denied she had said something similar about the ousted News International chief executive, Rebekah Brooks. But Wolff wrote on Twitter that those reports were "incomplete": "She said: 'James and Rebekah xxxxed the company.' " Wolff said Elisabeth made the remark on Sunday at a book launch for the political analyst Philip Gould, hosted by her husband, Matthew Freud, and the editor of the Times, James Harding.

    News Corp insiders questioned the truth of the claims, pointing out that Wolff has long been a critic of James Murdoch and has written about him disparagingly many times. But Elisabeth is known to have been dismayed by what is happening to her father's empire and it is understood there are tensions within the family.

    Wolff, who last night stood by his claims, said: "What we are seeing is an enormous amount of frustration. James absolutely cannot survive. Whether or not he is legally culpable, he certainly mishandled this entire situation and has done for a long period of time."

    Wolff suggested the world was witnessing the end of the Murdochs' dynastic ambitions. "The Murdochs will be moved out of this company. James will go into some form of exile and Rupert will be put out to pasture and an outsider not named Murdoch will be put in charge."

    Reliable sources have told the Observer the family have been having quarterly "summits" to discuss News Corp's long-term future. "The family have been getting together every quarter to discuss News Corp's legacy and what it stands for; the last meeting they had was held in Australia," said the source. "The fascinating thing now is that whatever the brand stood for earlier this year has been shot to pieces. News Corp is a world-class company in terms of how it is run and who it employs – it employs the brightest and the best throughout. Now it could be all over, if they find any evidence of hacking of 9/11 victims."

    The concerns will add to the sense of crisis enveloping James Murdoch, who this week will be placed under further pressure when a parliamentary committee asks him to name those within News International whom he has publicly referred to as "wrongdoers".

    In a highly unusual twist, the culture, media and sport select committee is contemplating placing Brooks and James and Rupert Murdoch under oath when they appear before it this Tuesday.

    The committee is keen to probe James Murdoch on his statement to News International staff shortly before the News of the World was closed down. He said at the time: "Wrongdoers turned a good newsroom bad and this was not fully understood or adequately pursued. As a result, the News of the World and News International wrongly maintained that these issues were confined to one reporter."

    A series of News International figures had previously appeared before the committee to insist there was no evidence of widespread phone hacking at the paper, including Les Hinton, former chief executive; Stuart Kuttner, then managing editor; former editor Andy Coulson and then editor Colin Myler; and Tom Crone, then its senior lawyer.

    "Our inquiry is not going to end on Tuesday," said Paul Farrelly, a Labour MP on the committee. "We are going to ask James Murdoch which of the people who have come in front of us, as far as he knows, told us the truth or not."

    Farrelly said the committee would recall witnesses in the light of Murdoch's statement. "We couldn't believe what he said when he closed the News of the World," Farrelly said. "He must have realised he would be summoned."

    I believe Murdoch will fall but it looks like he wants to take Cameron with him .You were right about the apology Douglas We get 2 here in the U.K. all across the papers yesterday a whole page apology and we get a bonus "Sorry" today.

    I intend to Boycott all of His products if possible.

  12. I'm too lazy to look it up myself, so I will ask this question-- Do we know, with any certainty, where else LHO was during the days immediately before and after his visit to the Atomic Energy Museum?

    --Thomas

    Thomas

    my enthusiasm knows no bounds old bean .Oswald was giving his speech to the jesuits at the behest of his cousin Eugene Murret this was in Alabama on the 27th July 1963 .also 9 May 1963 Oswald had found work at the Reily Coffee Company, located two blocks from Guy Banister’s offices. Its owner, William B. Reily, was a right-wing reactionary. Reily provided financial support to such groups as Arcacha’s Crusade to Free Cuba and Ed Butler’s propaganda outfit, INCA. Oswald’s employment at Reily’s lasted until 19 July 1963.

    June 1963 USS Wasp leafletting Oswald leafletted the crew of the USS Wasp, an aircraft carrier then in port, and seemed to invite arrest, June 1963.

    19 July 1963 Oswald let go from Reily Coffee Company, supposedly for spending too much work time next door at Adrian Alba’s garage.

    1. Crescent City Garage Home to the local government agencies’ motor pools. One day Alba recalled observing an FBI agent handing a white envelope to Oswald, who was standing in front of Reily’s. Alba watched as Oswald clutched the envelope close to his chest and walked back into Reily’s.

    Ian

    Ack, http://www.eurekaencyclopedia.com/index.php/Category:New_Orleans_Return

    And A bit more here if you wish I can read it to you :D

    http://www.slideshare.net/AJWeberman/nodule-x19-new-orleans-july-1963-to-september-1963

    bump for Thomas Graves
  13. I'm too lazy to look it up myself, so I will ask this question-- Do we know, with any certainty, where else LHO was during the days immediately before and after his visit to the Atomic Energy Museum?

    --Thomas

    Thomas

    my enthusiasm knows no bounds old bean .Oswald was giving his speech to the jesuits at the behest of his cousin Eugene Murret this was in Alabama on the 27th July 1963 .also 9 May 1963 Oswald had found work at the Reily Coffee Company, located two blocks from Guy Banister’s offices. Its owner, William B. Reily, was a right-wing reactionary. Reily provided financial support to such groups as Arcacha’s Crusade to Free Cuba and Ed Butler’s propaganda outfit, INCA. Oswald’s employment at Reily’s lasted until 19 July 1963.

    June 1963 USS Wasp leafletting Oswald leafletted the crew of the USS Wasp, an aircraft carrier then in port, and seemed to invite arrest, June 1963.

    19 July 1963 Oswald let go from Reily Coffee Company, supposedly for spending too much work time next door at Adrian Alba’s garage.

    1. Crescent City Garage Home to the local government agencies’ motor pools. One day Alba recalled observing an FBI agent handing a white envelope to Oswald, who was standing in front of Reily’s. Alba watched as Oswald clutched the envelope close to his chest and walked back into Reily’s.

    Ian

    Ack, http://www.eurekaencyclopedia.com/index.php/Category:New_Orleans_Return

    And A bit more here if you wish I can read it to you :D

    http://www.slideshare.net/AJWeberman/nodule-x19-new-orleans-july-1963-to-september-1963

  14. fwiw...

    Bernice, one of the revelations of the Lopez Report is that Anne Goodpasture not only knew this guy in the Mystery Man photo was not Oswald, but she very likely knew who he really was. He was a KGB agent named Yuri Moskalev.

    Now Goodpasture is also the person who delivered the tape to the Texas border the night of the assassination, of a voice that was not Oswald's.

    She was in on the cover up to her neck. As she worked not just for Win Scott, but David Phillips. Phillips sent some of the transcripts to himself at CIA HQ under an alias "Michael CHoaden". And RIchard Sprague strongly suspected that these transcripts were altered since the Tarasoffs did not recognize them when he showed them to the translating couple.

    Jim

    Do you mean Yuri Moskalev the physicist?. He visited Oak ridge Atomic facility on a co-op fact finding mission and met with Goldman (physicist) at some time prior to 63 Oswalds Name turned up in the visitors book .

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    Ian

    Ian,

    Great post. Thanks!

    It's interesting to note that almost everyone who signed that page was from Texas-- must have been some kind of group tour. Also, "Oswald" didn't put his street address or P.O. Box number down. Everyone else did, except for one family (also from Texas).

    --Thomas :ph34r:

    Just noticed that the page covers more that just the day that "Oswald" was there. Still, one wonders why so many of the visitors were from the great nation, uhh.. I mean state of Texas.

    --Thomas

    Thomas

    Thanks I just wondered if it was an organized visit perhaps some club or institution from Dallas ?.But was this someones idea of a practical joke ?. Maybe a dead letter drop or a warning perhaps!.

    Ian

  15. fwiw...

    Bernice, one of the revelations of the Lopez Report is that Anne Goodpasture not only knew this guy in the Mystery Man photo was not Oswald, but she very likely knew who he really was. He was a KGB agent named Yuri Moskalev.

    Now Goodpasture is also the person who delivered the tape to the Texas border the night of the assassination, of a voice that was not Oswald's.

    She was in on the cover up to her neck. As she worked not just for Win Scott, but David Phillips. Phillips sent some of the transcripts to himself at CIA HQ under an alias "Michael CHoaden". And RIchard Sprague strongly suspected that these transcripts were altered since the Tarasoffs did not recognize them when he showed them to the translating couple.

    Jim

    Do you mean Yuri Moskalev the physicist?. He visited Oak ridge Atomic facility on a co-op fact finding mission and met with Goldman (physicist) at some time prior to 63 Oswalds Name turned up in the visitors book .

    atomregsig.png

    Ian

  16. I forgot to mention these quotes from Officer B.W. Hargis' interviews with the HSCA:

    On November 16, 1977: "The second shot hit JFK in the head. The presidential car had slowed almost to a stop";

    On August 8, 1978: "When the second shot was fired - no doubt gunfire this time as it hit the President's head - the limousine slowed so much it practically stopped...";

    On December 29, 1978: "... the limousine slowed and nearly stopped ..."

    The limo nearly, almost, practically - but never actually - stopped....

    Chris

    My appreciation, as I had missed that Hargis also stated that the second shot (aka/the Z313 impact) struck JFK in the head.

    Chaney is of record as having stated that the Preident's head "exploded" with the second shot as well.

    Both statements of which are well founded in the facts and testimonies.

    Tom

    This is echoed By Brehm's Statement The second shot being the head shot aka "313" . and Altgens realises what they want and fluffs his lines and starts babbling.In plain sight ?.

  17. I think that's really fine of you Tom.

    Me too Tom .Hopefully someone will "stumble" onto them at some point and realise .Perhaps Chris Davidson could donate his math work to make the Frames/Distances more Graphic?.

  18. I spent 20yrs with Detroit PD including two seperate tours in Homicide-having read all 26 volumes several times and a whole lot of other materials I can assure everybody the Dallas Investigation was a joke.

    I've never read any dependable material that showed the relevance of drugs with Dallas. I had homicides involving drug dealers in Detroit where I talked to more people than Dallas Homicide did.

    They never secured the crime scenes and never interviewed the whole DC crowd before they left town. They were either intimidated or bribed by the Feds and frankly I don't think Dallas Homicide AT THAT TIME could have found an elephant in a bath tub. Current Dallas Homicide has some really sharp folks.

    Every witness to a crime has at least a few specks of gold on them and if they are approached correctly, that spek can lead to the mother load

    Evan, as you know, I've tried to apply real criminal investigative techniques to what happened at Dealey Plaza, and follow the leads where ever they go, but everyone has a pet suspect they want to nail and they would rather argue over inadmissible evidence rather than see what we really have if a grand jury were to ask to review it.

    And rather than go into "all of the above," as suggested, it is more preferable for a detective to go in cold and see what he finds rather than cluttering his mind with stuff that's already been reviewed and has failed to produce evidence that could be reviewed by a grand jury.

    Bill

    I agree with the Criminal investigation part but when it comes to writing it up you would have immediate dissent

    Perhaps a more graphic display would help like a Geneology chart with the links provided by Robert Howard and Tom Scully"s Work which I see here every day, at least those of us farther behind in our understanding could make a better study if we could physically "See" the link.

    Ian

  19. We got quite a few in U.K. too

    The Prisoner

    the Avengers

    Danger man

    Outer limits

    Rowan and Martins Laugh in

    Bonanza

    Wagon train

    Gunsmoke

    My Favourite Martian

    Get Smart

    Man from uncle

    but the campest ever ....Batman....... Adam west had the physique of an old oven glove

  20. Yeah, a formality of sorts that identifies one. Perhaps something like, note something like, a bavarian officer social code.

    I presume that this training followed them into thier civilian lives wherever it may be Home or Abroad it would immediately identify them in plain sight I shall be listening closely John!.

  21. I dunno, Ian. I think the words were even but the exclamation mark (?) intones punctuation. Afa how this series of sharp laughs were delivered, I've no idea. Prob depending on the persons mood.?

    It's just a tidbit from an offshoot from a story in the daily mirror, the dec2, 1940 issue on the pack page about mounties capturin or arresting a group of canadian nazis, that led to something else which led to this article where I was a bit surprised by the quoted snippet.

    Various minutae are always on the backburner.

    This seems an interesting thing, to me.

    Like Butlers apologizing "Sir" when confronted with a partially dressed lady.

    Odd but interesting !.

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