Ian Kingsbury

There's an awful lot of coffee in ................!.

It would appear to be old news going back to queen Victoria's era

If you google the name of the person in email followed by just

Pa all will be revealed . It seems the very elite of British society

Were and are involved. From the Kincora debacle to the Cleveland street

Scandal.

Saville's reference to "bringing half the station down with me" did not I think imply

That the officers were involved physically but by thier neglect in not being

Able to prosecute because of others "higher up" .

I believe the same problems abound in the JFK case in that because of Oswalds

Obvious ties to CIA and FBI it was hoped that they would contribute

To the cover up fully , When D.A. Wade informed the press that Oswald was "known" to the FBI

This could ha e been a bit of inter agency "grassing " rather than a Freudian

Slip by Wade

John

An old school friend of mine worked on the "Spitting Image" satirical

Puppet show he told me to look out for a sketch involving Mick Jagger

And whoever else in the sketch it was set in a Gents toilet he would not name

Him until the show had been broadcast.

The whoever else was the minster I believe you are alluding to.

Who did indeed get shifted to Europe rather rapidly.

My friend had been given the info from a BBC tech guy he was working with.

Any photograph or movie taken at the corner of Elm and Houston or "the turn"

Would have exposed this sooner in a more graphic way !.

What bugs me is how did Fate know to remove the frames that would have exposed them?

So they hid it where "nobody will actually read it".

Chris

Am I to understand from this display that had Towner kept his film

Running it would not coincide with the frame numbers of Zapruders

And these are the events and their "slippage" ,This is assuming

Both cameras were running at their optimum 18.3 frames per second ?.

Mike can you find a picture of Jack Edwin Dougherty before I do?.

Nor is it suspicious that a dark skinned man could stroll upto the

Presidential limo off the sidwalk and into the road waving his hands about

In Dallas in 1963?. Kellerman looked right at him perhaps he thought

He was an autograph hunter?.

But I am disappointed to now see Thompson pontificating about an extraneous issue like the UMBRELLA MAN!

Because there is nothing suspicious about a man opening an umbrella on a bright warm sunny day in Dallas and pumping it up and down in the air at the precise moment the President is shot at the precise moment the limousine passes him and his very dry umbrella.

Happens all the time

Chris

So the distance from the SN to Altgens could be measured accurately

Exposing Altgens fluffing of his lines?.

Ian

Was the president of the bar assoc. involved in not helping Oswald?.

We know he was not representing Oswald is there any information

On thier meeting?.

Paul

Was Dulles the instigator or the Washington cover? Walker could not have contained the whole operation surely!.

This must have been under the watchful eye of intel of all sorts hence the cover up.

Hmmmmm... The results were far from magnificent?.

Michael

last year was the supposed unveiling it never happened

Maybe Greg Burnham may have some gen?.

I am only interested in the Coup D Etat of president John F Kennedy because of interest in human nature and behavior - lets make that real clear.

When Good Men Do Nothing

by Wayne Greeson

"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." (Edmund Burke)

So much of the history of the struggle between good and evil can be explained by Edmund Burke's observation. Time and again those who profess to be good seem to clearly outnumber those who are evil, yet those who are evil seem to prevail far too often. Seldom is it the numbers that determine the outcome, but whether those who claim to be good men are willing to stand up and fight for what they know to be right.

And some were forced to do the wrong thing against thier personal

Principles but good for the collective.

Could you shorten that question Mike ?.

Consider this, Oswald had no power over the errors made nor the myriad of coincidences

That were required to convince the public he was guilty.

It only worked until somebody actually read it!.

Edit typo

For density read destiny damn IPhone !.

He reminds me of Carlier ,he has the same density no doubt!.

There is a picture/film of a "kid" outside the TSBD maybe at the corner of Houston and Elm

A comment was made that it looks like a young Dubya? Anybody remember this thread?

If I recall correctly he was wearing a similar (style) jacket but is shorter than

Parking lot TJM?.

Tom

I am sorry for the cheap shot this morning.

I over reacted to the frustrations involved in this case.

Please accept my apologies.

Ian

Tom

I am trying to Establish the identity if possible of the person wearing distinctive clothes.

Other members here have identified certain players along the route or

Think they have!.

Tommy if we could find a better picture of Larry Jones we could do a comparison

With Tan man.apparently Mr Truly knew tan man did he also know Larry Jones?.

Did Baker feel the need to pull his gun on Tan Man or

Was Truly expecting him?.

Ian,

Was Truly expecting "Tan Man" to be where he was (on the third or fourth floor) at that time?

Probably. It's also possible that he confused "Tan Man" for LHO.

--Tommy ;sun

I know they "missed the sixth" but that's a

Big leap Tommy!.

Tommy if we could find a better picture of Larry Jones we could do a comparison

With Tan man.apparently Mr Truly knew tan man did he also know Larry Jones?.

Did Baker feel the need to pull his gun on Tan Man or

Was Truly expecting him?.

Paul/Greg

Is it

Possible that Larry jones was controlled by a "legit" agency all along?.

Connecting him with the actual shooting would to my mind put him much closer to the

Planners!.

If the man in the tan jacket in the film of the car lot turns out to be the

Tan jacket man from Truly/Baker then we can safely assume they got away with it..... Until now!.

Would car #107 have had a regular route along with a regular driver When in commission?.Tippits seemed a regular route to some!

The notion of a "route" is not a correct one, but officers were assigned to regular patrol areas ("districts") with administrative boundaries that were often crossed for a variety of reasons (e.g., lunch, officer assist, nearby call, etc.). There is a map that is a Commission Exhibit that shows exactly where these were.

The patrol district ID number is the same as the radio call number assigned to/used by patrol officers. Their car number did not enter into it since that could conceivably change even on a daily basis if necessary (e.g., car in for repairs, still in use by prior shift, etc.), tho' my experience has been that most professional drivers of any stripe prefer to drive the same, familiar vehicle whenever possible. In Tippit's case that day, he was assigned to District 78 (and used call sign "78") while driving Car #10.

But ultimately, the point: what the heck has patrol car #107 got to do with anything?

Earlene Roberts never firmly stated that the vehicle number was that except to say, incorrectly, that she had reported the vehicle as #107 and not #207 several months ago. She said that once in her testimony, and also said more than once in the same testimony that the car was #106. The only firm thing she said about the number was that it was NOT #170, which two officers for whom she had "worked for" had driven.

And the police car is also in dispute?

Ergo there was no car so the number is irrelevant ?.

If Ex police car# 107 never left Sulphur Springs

Did Mrs Roberts see an actual police car With 2 cops in it?.

Would car #107 have had a regular route along with a regular driver

When in commission?.Tippits seemed a regular route to some!.

The rail looked like a nice gun rest!. The ramp reminded me of

Bonds DB5 window shield!. A moveable snipers lair with protection!.

It's a bit Dick Dastardly I suppose.

Was there a Rambler in the south knoll car park?

Can anybody remember how Tosh got to Dealey?.