Bernice Moore

**************** Pat: You are so subtle with your suppositions.......Till next time........... ^^^^^^^^^^^ Jack : Suppositions, never do make any sense........ ************* Don: Imo ........of course they wanted us to know.....in many cases that is the why they were and have been so obvious.....and still are...... B....... Below appears to be researchers.....

Bill: They do appear to be the Jarnagin conversation.....transcript.. See downloads on the right of article..... http://www.star-telegram.com/dallas_news/story/481021.html The full transcript, and Jarangin's letter to Hoover, is reprinted on pages 124 - 126 in Michael Benson's "Encyclopedia Of The JFK Assassination." B.........

***************** Thank you Charles, and what exactly does that make his gofers..... Cliff also........Cheers.......

D.A Craig Watkins....Dallas interview......re documents released from safe , and racial bias....in the 60's..... http://cbs11tv.com/local/jfk.assassination...k.2.656767.html on the right......... He states that they will not be released to the 6th Floor Museum, they are being approached by several..... They must go somewhere , where all will be accessible to the public....... He does not know what the documents mean in relation to the assassination......90 to 99% of what the boxes contain, are to do with the assn.......thousands of pages...... They have been cataloguing them for the past year they are almost complete.....There is a 1967 movie contract for a million dollars in Henry Wades name, but the movie was never made..The transcript appears to be from a movie script, I beleieve he said it was two pages....... ......Every Dallas D.A.......has known about the safe since 1963, yet chose to kept them hidden... The documents will be ready for release this coming Monday....... The video has now been archived......... http://cbs11tv.com/video/?cid=7 B............

Pat :"Thanks, Bernice. As stated in an earlier post, I looked into this awhile back and concluded that the DPD made up some sort of cover story that Chaney heroically raced up to the limo and then to Curry. Hargis pulled over just after the shots. He could not have possibly witnessed Chaney pulling up next to Curry on the on-ramp. He was therefore either repeating a story someone else told him, deliberately lying to protect Chaney, or telling the truth--in such case the photographic evidence has been faked. With Hargis, I vote option 1. In some of the others, option 2. We're all grown-ups here. We know that cops lie to protect each other all the time, and take PRIDE in it. As far as Ellis, he's not exactly reliable." http://educationforum.iphost.com/index.php...st&p=137451 We're all grown-ups here.. thanks for the chuckle... Pat........This info, Chaney.....is not new, and some have kept it on hand, though off and on, a niggle more or less, since reading Penn Jones "Forgive My Grief " 3..and Meaghers "Accessories After the Fact" off and on over the past many years......It just takes some information to be put together, gathered and awaiting such as the researchers that have done so at present.... Your conclusions, and theories, are your opinions, and to each their own.... As far as Stavis Ellis is concerned, I would suggest you contact Doug Weldon, perhaps he can set you straight, may be worth the effort.... Pat :" Hargis pulled over just after the shots. He could not have possibly witnessed Chaney pulling up next to Curry on the on-ramp. " ????? Where does Hargis say what you have posted?? He does not say he saw Chaney pull up next to Curry on the ramp..? He states "Chaney put his motor in first gear and accelerated up to the front to tell them to get everything out of the way, that he was coming through, and that is when the Presidential limousine shot off, and I stopped and got off my motorcycle and ran to the right-hand side of the street, behind the light pole....... " Hargis....... Mr. HARGIS - Yes; when President Kennedy straightened back up in the car the bullet him in the head, the one that killed him and it seemed like his head exploded, and I was splattered with blood and brain, and kind of bloody water, It wasn't really blood. And at that time the Presidential car slowed down. I heard somebody say, "Get going," or "get going," Mr. STERN - Someone inside-- Mr. HARGIS - I don't know whether it was the Secret Service car, and I remembered seeing Officer Chaney. Chaney put his motor in first gear and accelerated up to the front to tell them to get everything out of the way, that he was coming through, and that is when the Presidential limousine shot off, and I stopped and got off my motorcycle and ran to the right-hand side of the street, behind the light pole....... http://jfkassassination.net/russ/jfkinfo/hscaharg.htm http://educationforum.iphost.com/index.php...st&p=137449 You will notice also perhaps, that Hargis states..." and that is when the Presidential limousine shot off "......after Chaney had taken off..... So did James Simmons....make reference to such..... James L Simmons RR man on the overpass ..Re his testimony at the Clay Shaw trial..Garrison. Upon being questioned by the defense ........ Asst D.A Alvin Osner asked : Did the car ( limo) speed up ? Simmons : No, in fact the car stopped or almost stopped. Osner : Then did the car speed up ? Simmons: Yes, after they got the motorcycle policeman out of the way... It went right over the Asst.D.As.... head it went no further.... http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/simmons_j.htm GWIW.... B..........

Here is the rest of the information that Bobby Hargis related and to the assistant council of the W/C mind you..... Samuel A.Stern..... Hargis....... Mr. HARGIS - Yes; when President Kennedy straightened back up in the car the bullet him in the head, the one that killed him and it seemed like his head exploded, and I was splattered with blood and brain, and kind of bloody water, It wasn't really blood. And at that time the Presidential car slowed down. I heard somebody say, "Get going," or "get going," Mr. STERN - Someone inside-- Mr. HARGIS - I don't know whether it was the Secret Service car, and I remembered seeing Officer Chaney. Chaney put his motor in first gear and accelerated up to the front to tell them to get everything out of the way, that he was coming through, and that is when the Presidential limousine shot off, and I stopped and got off my motorcycle and ran to the right-hand side of the street, behind the light pole....... http://jfkassassination.net/russ/jfkinfo/hscaharg.htm As far as the Zapruder film is concerned well.....apparently SSA Roy Kellerman also saw the film that has so long ago disappeared, and has not been accessible to all....that shows their turn from Houston onto Elm St......and he also stated this to "Darlin" Arlen Specter of the W/C....... Scroll way down..... Mr. SPECTER. Have you now told us about all of the facts which you took into account in your conclusion that there were more than three shots? Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. SPECTER. Do you have anything to add, Mr. Kellerman, by way of explanation or elaboration, to tell us which might be helpful with respect to your conclusion based on all of these items which you have described to us that there were more than three shots? Mr. KELLERMAN. Gentlemen, I think if you would view the films yourself you may come up with a little different answer. Mr. SPECTER. Well, have you viewed the films, Mr. Kellerman? Mr. KELLERMAN. I have; yes, sir. Mr. SPECTER. Was there something special in your viewing of the films which led you to believe that there were more than three shots? Mr. KELLERMAN. No: it doesn't point out more than three shots, sir. Mr. SPECTER. Which films are you referring to? Mr. KELLERMAN. These are the colored ones that were taken on the right side. Mr. SPECTER. Taken by Mr. Abraham Zapruder? Mr. KELLERMAN. I don't know. Mr. SPECTER. You are not familiar with the photographer? Mr. KELLERMAN. No; I am not. Mr. SPECTER. Well, can you describe the view you say is from the right-hand side of the automobile? Mr. KELLERMAN. That is right. Mr. SPECTER. So that would be on the side of the road where the Texas School Book Depository Building was? Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes, sir. Mr. SPECTER. And approximately where did those pictures begin and end? Mr. KELLERMAN. These pictures began as we turned off Houston Street onto Elm. Mr. SPECTER. And where did they end? Mr. KELLERMAN. As we are, just before we are, going into the viaduct. Mr. SPECTER. Were those black and white or in color? Mr. KELLERMAN. No; they were colored. Mr. SPECTER. Have you seen any other films of the assassination? Mr. KELLERMAN. Yes; I saw a black-and-white, but I didn't--I saw a black-and-white film. However, I didn't get enough out of it there to-- Mr. SPECTER. Before proceeding any further, I would like to move for the introduction in evidence of Exhibit 351. Representative FORD. It is approved. http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/kellerma.htm B........

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As Mack well knows - it's been on this forum before at least once - Tass stated flat out that Soviet viewers had been shown footage of the actual shooting, and contemporaneous Foreign Office files, inspected years later, confirmed it. Links to both: http://www.assassinationresearch.com/v1n2/worldreaction.html http://karws.gso.uri.edu/JFK/history/wc_pe...lmson%20TV.html I note with a smirk that one G. Mack, no less, assured Ian Griggs, the man responsible for the fine piece of research at the other end of the first link above, that "the Muchmore Film had been shown on a New York TV station, and probably others, on the 25th. He added that since the film was owned by UPI, it was likely to have been distributed to other news outlets and so it was quite possible that the film shown on Soviet TV was Marie Muchmore’s footage." Awesome. Paul ***************** I came across this document it maybe of some use to you.......... B......

Michael.... FWIW...... ONE "LITTLE THING" THAT THE ASSASSINATION RECORDS REVIEW BOARD OVERLOOKED On May 26, 1992, 7 months before his death, Certified Legal Investigator Joe West sought and received special permission from the funeral home that embalmed John F. Kennedy for West to conduct a telephone interview with Thomas Evan Robinson, one of the JFK embalmers. The permission process was lengthy and the interview almost didn't transpire. Below are the handwritten notes of the May 26, 1992 conversation with Mr. Robinson, found in Joe West's Investigator's Notebook following West's death in 1993. A transcription of the page follows the original in case readers have difficulty reading Mr. West's handwriting. Transcription Thomas Evan Robinson Personal contact info deleted to protect Mr. Robinson's privacy May 26, 1992 (Phone) Wounds: Large gaping hole in back of head. patched by placing piece of rubber.....over it. Thinks skull full of Plaster of Paris. Smaller wound in right temple. Crescent shped, flapped down (3") (approx 2) Small sharpnel wounds in face. Packed with wax. Wound in back (5 to six inches) below shoulder. To the right of the back bone. Adrenlin gland and brain removed. Other organs removed and then put back. No swelling or discoloration to face. (Died instantly) Dr. Berkley (family physician) came in an ask..... "How much longer???" He (Robinson) was told (funeral director) "Take your time." Is in favor of exhuming body.....to settle once and....for all. (Robinson quote) "Good pathologists would know exactly" HOW COULD THE ASSASSINATION RECORDS REVIEW BOARD NOT SUBPOENA THOMAS EVAN ROBINSON AND HEAR THIS CRUCIAL EVIDENCE THAT PROVES, BEYOND ANY REASONABLE DOUBT, THAT THE MURDER OF JOHN F. KENNEDY WAS A CONSPIRACY? http://www.jfkmurdersolved.com/EMBALMER.htm B......

Tom: ""Who would know that one was actually "ducking" over directly into the line of fire for the third/last/final shot, as one exposed their right shoulder between the open area between the jump seats. "Quickly there was a second shot (John had turned to the right at the first shot to look back & had then whirled to the left to get another look---realized the President had been shot said "No, No, No) Was hit and said "My God, they are are going to kill us all"--Wheeled back to the right crumpling his shoulders and his knees in the most unpleasant & pitiful position a tall big man could be in. I reached over and pulled him to me & tried to get us both down in the car. Then came a third shot. With John in my arms and still trying to stay down I did not see the third shot hit--but I felt something falling all over me. My sensation was of spent buckshot. My eyes saw bloody matter in tiny bits all over the car." Nellie Connally's handwritten notes, made some 10 days after the event. Not difficult for a bullet to pass through the back/chest and exit to strike the leg when one is in a somewhat "fetal" position."" *********************************************** Reply: CONNALLY: Well, he's a hunter and a shooter, you know. So he turned quick... KING: To his right? CONNALLY: ... to his right and he couldn't see him because he was directly in front of him. And he said, "No, no, no" and turned to his left. KING: He visibly said that? CONNALLY: Yes. And turned to his left and he still couldn't see him. Now this is a second or two. Then, as he whirled back, the second shot hit John and... KING: Where did it enter him? CONNALLY: It went under his shoulder, out through -- under the nipple. It went through -- it took out five inches of his fifth rib and went through one of his lungs. He would -- which had all of that... KING: I thought it hit his wrist. CONNALLY: His -- he's turning back and his hand is on his thigh. It crushed this wrist and you know, shot the cufflink off. KING: And you see him shot? CONNALLY: Yes. And then it landed in his leg. Now, that bullet did all of that. John said, "My God, they're going to kill us all," and just fell over. Blood everywhere. KING: Was there a third shot? CONNALLY: There was a third shot. KING: That's disputed, right? CONNALLY: No. There's no dispute. You can't argue with me. You can argue with the Warren Commission. You can argue with anybody else, but they weren't in the car. And I was in that car. There were three shots. I have a recollection of all three. The third shot... KING: What did the third one do? CONNALLY: Well, I couldn't see it because I had the weight -- I had pulled John over in my lap to get him out of the line of fire. And I couldn't move. But I heard the third shot and then, bloody matter, like buck shot, little pieces were all over the interior of the car, all over our clothes. KING: Was that Kennedy's brain? CONNALLY: That was his head and I guess, his brain. And she said, "They've killed my husband. I have his brains in my hand." KING: You heard her say that? CONNALLY: I heard her say that. KING: So you're hearing everything? CONNALLY: Yes. But I -- but I was -- we were not saying anything. I was whispering to John, "Be still. It'll be all right." http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0311/22/lkl.00.html ********************** Nellie Connally, who was sitting next to her husband in the presidential limousine, always maintained that two bullets struck John F. Kennedy and a third hit her husband. "The first sound, the first shot, I heard, and turned and looked right into the President's face. He was clutching his throat, and just slumped down. He Just had a - a look of nothingness on his face. He-he didn't say anything. But that was the first shot. The second shot, that hit John - well, of course, I could see him covered with - with blood, and his - his reaction to a second shot. The third shot, even though I didn't see the President, I felt the matter all over me, and I could see it all over the car." John Connally agreed with his wife: "Beyond any question, and I'll never change my opinion, the first bullet did not hit me. The second bullet did hit me. The third bullet did not hit me." As the Warren Commission concluded there also was a bullet that missed the car entirely. Some conspiracy theorists argue that if three bullets struck the men, as the Connallys insisted, and a fourth missed, then there must have been a second gunman because no one person could have fired four rounds from Oswald's bolt-action rifle so quickly. http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/JFKconnallyN.htm ************************** Then, she wrote, John Connally "was hit himself by the second shot and said, `My God, they are going to kill us all!' " According to her notes, that was followed by the third shot that passed through Kennedy's head. She wrote: "With John in my arms and still trying to stay down ... I felt something falling all over me. ... My eyes saw bloody matter in tiny bits all over the car. Mrs. Kennedy was saying, `Jack! Jack! They have killed my husband! I have his brains in my hand.' " http://www.chron.com/content/chronicle/spe...1116nellie.html ***************************** Quickly, there was a second shot. John had turned to the right to look back, and had whirled to the left to get another look to see if he could see the President...he couldn't." The Governor realized what had occurred and said, "No! No! No!" Connally was hit himself by the second shot and yelled, "My God, they are going to kill us all!" He was wheeled back to the right and down to his knees. Nellie tried to pull the two of them down to the floor of the car. Then came a third shot. "With John in my arms, and still trying to stay down, I did not see the third shot hit," Mrs. Connally went on, "but, I felt something falling all over me. My sensation was of spent buckshot. My eyes saw bloody matter in tiny bits all over the car." John Connally was bleeding badly and was motionless. http://web.lconn.com/mysterease/connally.htm ************************************ I guess like Nellie says...... Nellie CONNALLY: No. There's no dispute. You can't argue with me. You can argue with the Warren Commission. You can argue with anybody else, but they weren't in the car. And I was in that car. There were three shots. I have a recollection of all three. The third shot... ""Tom : Not difficult for a bullet to pass through the back/chest and exit to strike the leg when one is in a somewhat "fetal" position.""" From what we have Zapruder frame 230.......Showing John Connally not in a somewhat fetal position..... Whatever carry on.... B.......

Moved from Political discussions..... Posted for Jack.....

Please delete this title start, cannot fine the where to ?? thanks....B ......moved to Goverment conspiracies......

Jack: Beverly.......""I never bother with annoying researchers. I know who I am and where I was 11-22-1963. Exactly where I say I was. If someone chooses not to believe me, that is their problem, not mine.."" This above is very similar to what she has written to me some time ago, that many people have made up their minds years ago, and that's it. Below for anyone who may not have read it, is Beverly's ARRB Testimony given in Dallas on 11/18/94....Her statement is very clear.... Testimony of Beverly Oliver Massegee ARRB in Dallas - 11/18/94 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- MR. MARWELL: Beverly Oliver Massegee. CHAIRMAN TUNHEIM: Welcome, Ms. Massegee. MS. MASSEGEE: Thank you. First of all, I just wanted to thank you for the privilege of appearing before you. I just want to say thank you for the privilege of being here to appear before you. I know I am out-classed and out-numbered, and Mr. Marwell I apologize for my secretary's misspelling of your name when I sent you the letter. I don't have the documents before me. I am not a researcher. I was a 17-year-old girl that was at Dealey Plaza that day taking pictures of the President when he was assassinated. I never wanted to become a public figure over this. I never intended to. Until my name was accidentally leaked to the press in 1972, I was not a public figure. It has caused me great grief. It has caused me a lot of concern in my life. I have been called a xxxx as recently as today. I have been called a hoax. I am neither a xxxx nor am I a hoax. I am who I say I am. I was down there that day standing between 20 and 30 feet from the President when he was shot. I was taking a movie film which on the 25th of November was confiscated by a man who identified himself as an FBI agent. I have never until recently started trying to inquire about my film because I am extremely patriotic, did not see that there was any reason to because I had assumed all these years that it was locked up until the year 2029 as evidence, and I am still not sure that there is anything sinister about it, and that is why I am here. I would just like an explanation as to what happened to my film and where it is, and that is the only reason that I am here. CHAIRMAN TUNHEIM: Questions? DR. HALL: Could you just briefly indicate to us what measures or steps you have taken to secure your film? MS. MASSEGEE: Well, I have not taken any other than questioning people, but there have been people like a Mr. Woods, and Gary Shaw, and different people who have made inquiries about my film in the past. Like I said, I have never until recently felt any need to until I began to be called a xxxx and a hoax and decided that I needed to stand up for myself and my own rights and, therefore, that is why I am here. There have been documents making reference to my film that Ms. Walko has sent me in the recent past. One of the document that I remember that Gary Shaw and Mr. Woods wanted, requested, it said that it is not in their possession at this time. Another one was the film that was taken by Ms. Oliver has not been retained by this office. So there is multiple reference to my film, and I would just like to know where they are. I am not here to cause trouble. I am not here to embarrass anybody. I just want to know, and I think I have a right to that. MR. JOYCE: Do you have any documentary evidence that this film was taken by the FBI? MS. MASSEGEE: No, because I was only 17 years old and I wasn't smart enough to ask for a receipt. This is a man representing my government. If he had asked me for my soul, I would have tried to give it to him. Also, there are ulterior motives, and I would go ahead and tell you that before someone else does. Laying next to the camera in my makeup kit was a Prince Albert can of marijuana, and I would have done anything to keep him from looking in my makeup kit. But also let me share this with you, I no longer use marijuana or anything else. I am a born again Christian and I am married to a preacher and have been for 23 years. DR. GRAFF: Might I ask you if you would withdraw the word, out-classed? MS. MASSEGEE: Thank you. DR. GRAFF: Ms. Oliver, were these still photographs? MS. MASSEGEE: No, they were a movie camera. DR. GRAFF: It was a movie camera? MS. MASSEGEE: Yes. It was an 8 millimeter. DR. GRAFF: Eight millimeter movie camera. MS. MASSEGEE: Yes, I have been accused of saying it was a Super 8, but I don't recall that, and to the House Select Committee investigator Jack Moriarty I, in 1977, March the 12th, I told him it was a movie camera, not a Super 8 movie camera. I just recently got my typed deposition. I was glad to see that. MR. MARWELL: Had you gotten the film developed? MS. MASSEGEE: No, I had not. It was an experimental camera that a friend of mine named Lawrence Taylor Roscoe, Jr., had given me, and I had to send the film - and I don't recall why, but I had to send it to Rochester, it was a magazine, and that may be why. You know, you didn't roll it on, it was a magazine, and I just had not done it. I found some film, and this is what I brought with me because people are often curious about why I didn't do it, I have film that I have no earthly idea how old they are or how they are ever going to develop, and it is a movie film, and I brought it. I am going to get somebody to look at it, and see what I can do to get it developed, because it is old it probably won't be able to developed. It is just a flaw in my character. But I would like to make one statement to you, and to anybody else who is interested, when all the pictures or all the pieces of this puzzle is put together, and I have faith enough in my government and in my country to believe that eventually it will be all out, all of it will be given to the researchers and the research community unredacted, unedited, undamaged in any manner, and whenever this is all put together and we really have the honest picture of what happened that day, no one more than Beverly Oliver hopes I have to stand up to America and apologize. Thank you. CHAIRMAN TUNHEIM: Thank you very much. B....

***************** Denis: I know you will not be, but some may, expect the full tape or all tapes, to have been....or allowed to have been copied.....Not... ...it is a clip that is heard...as I have stated.....in my previous post.......of that tape.......it is also heard again louder and clearer at the end of the DVD..... ...of course it is ,as LHO is speaking of killing.....but they leave out the chuckling I shall call it, that you can hear from Eric and LHO.....in the first playing.....of the clip, on the DVD......part way through...... ........Eric as he calls himself...has a very valuable collection of these LHO tapes.......they used the facitiies, as I understand the day or full afternoon at the Univ..He is not ready to sell or release then, he knows of their monetary value it appears.... It took them months ,to get close enough to him to be able to converse and then the video interview..... LHO apparently read such as Shakespeare, and from books etc that day, for hours.....and Eric has them all.... The setting, is Minsk, all filmed within Russia, it is the story of LHO while he lived there........all interviews are with people who knew or were in contact with him...There is also information about how the KGB kept track of him...it is also mentioned that the Russians also have their set of tapes, from the bugging of his apt......... Eric states LHO did speak Russian, but poorly, he wanting to learn proper English, became his friend and one helped the other....it relates quite the story.........imo.... But the ending as with so many, is that LHO in the end assassinated JFK and alone.... FWIW...........B

While they might do well to have it - why don't they just purchase a copy and not ask for it as a donation. They charge an entrance fee for their museum and make profits. Copies are still available new. Peter: It is just the type of book, that the TSBD does not and will not sell...that is the why he wants one copy donated.... ....he does not recommend such books be stored in stock....let alone sold at the book store....... It has been available for several years....so why would he want a donated copy now.....?? When he has delibertatey ignored such all these years, perhaps it is an awakening.... I would suggest as you have, the TSBD buy it's own copy........they are very quick to charge anyone and all for copies of anything they sell ,as well as for admittance.... B............

I don't know which tape specifically is being referred to, but you can bet your bootie much of Oswald's and Marina's converstations and actions were taped and still held in Russia. I have a contact I'm trying to obtain files/transcripts from. Aside from the things they actually talked about, what languages they spoke would be most enlightening!...I think Russia is withholding them to not anger the USA on something they don't have a big stake in...IMO. [i.e. the tapes would blow the whole official version out of the water] The link below will take you to a small extract of the tape Kathy is refering to. Denis. http://www.russianbooks.org/oswald/tapes.htm ****************** Hi Denis: The DVD is called, "American Assassin" out last year...2007...... It is very one sided, you get my meaning, but there is much information within ... It is available at Amazon but the best price is at http://www.cduniverse.com/productinfo.asp?...rm=frooglemovie People will just have to break open that piggy bank and order it... Ernst Titovetz , his closest friend while there, also states what you have, in the past, they were young men and fooling around one day with a tape machine, and LHO was trying to put on an accent....there was much kabitzing going on.... B.....

Not that much, Jack.... NARA Finding Aid - Audio-Visual Listing http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...absPageId=70485 A Record from Mary Ferrell's Database Record: OLIVER, BEVERLY (MRS. CHARLES MASSAGEE) Sources: Dallas Morning News, Thurs, Feb 18, 1982, p. 9-A; Dallas Times Herald, Thurs, Feb 18, 1982, p. 1-C Mary's Comments: Claims she is the "Babushka Lady" taking a film of the assassination. Worked at Colony Club on 11/22/63 as singer. Married to an evangelist, Massagee, in 1980. http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...ult&id=7092 A Record from Mary Ferrell's Database Record: MCGANN, GEORGE ALBERT Sources: Crossfire, Marrs, pp. 36-37, 562; High Treason, Groden & Livingstone, pp. 105, 123; Ruby Coverup, Kantor, pp. 393-394 Mary's Comments: DOB: 3/15/36; POB: Wichita Falls, TX. 5' 11", 190 pounds, brown hair, brown eyes. FBI numbers: 961 364 E, DL 15-6383 and Bufile 15-60061 (15 = theft from interstate shipment). Member of Dixie Mafia, a group of organized criminals in Dallas area. After assassination, he married Beverly Oliver, a dancer at Abe Weinstein's Colony Club. Oliver allegedly took film of Kennedy assassination on 11/22/63 which was "taken away from her." McGann was killed in Big Spring, TX, in a mob-type execution in 1970. http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...ult&id=6380 A Record from Mary Ferrell's Database Record: CARROLL, ROGER C. Sources: Who Was Jack Ruby, Kantor (35); Legacy of Doubt, Noyes (71, 73-5, 81); The Hoffa Wars, Moldea (160) Mary's Comments: Chief Probation Officer, United States District Court, Northern District of Texas, Dallas in 1963. Eugene Brading checked in with him 11/21/63. When George McGann was murdered in Big Spring, TX, in 1970, he had Roger Carroll's business card in his possession. (McGann was married to Beverly Oliver at the time of his death.) http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...ult&id=2030 On the main search page on Bev...from which I followed to the above...... also contains links to the Essays & Journals...Books..... Witnesses at the AARB....where she is mentioned....... That's it........ B......

Some further information on Hugh Aynesworth............ A Record from Mary Ferrell's Database Record: AYNESWORTH, HUGH ----- Sources: WC 17 (778-80); CD 4, p. 672; CD 86, p. 497; CD 355, p. 10; CD 857-A; CD 1292; CD 1293; CD 1294; CD 1295 (9); CD 1408 (3-7); Dallas Downtown News, 9/20-26/82 (16); copy of Western Union Press message, 1967 or 1968, in Lyndon B. Johnson Library. Mary's Comments: DOB: 1931 Reporter for Dallas Morning News in 1963. Offered Oswald's Diary for sale to Life Magazine. His wife, Paula, actually sold diary to Life. Apparently money was split 3 ways: Hugh, Paula, and Bill Alexander (Asst. D.A.). In 1976, with Dallas Times Herald and "...On His Way to Cuba With Permission from the State Dept., and the Cuban Government to Write book for Penthouse Magazine." Researcher Kevin Walsh found a copy of a Western Union Press Message from Hugh Aynesworth to George Christian in the LBJ Library in Austin. The message was written in 1967 or 1968. Last line reads: "I intend to make a complete report of my knowledge available to the FBI, as I have done in the past." http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...sult&id=636 Information related in "Kennedy's Ghost" by Rex Bradford..... Hugh Aynesworth: " Refusing a Conspiracy is his Life's Work."..by Jim Di Eugenio is linked below..in notes.. ""Spokespeople for the "other side" include Priscilla Johnson McMillan, author of Marina and Lee, and former newspaperman Hugh Aynesworth. It would be petty I suppose to mention that both of them had clandestine relationships with intelligence agencies in the past, CIA in McMillan's case [1] and FBI as well as CIA in Aynesworth's [2]. I do not mean to convey that this is sinister per se; simply that given the many documented failures of these agencies with respect to the JFK murder, it is not too much to expect an acknowledgment of these sources' potential biases."" [2] Declassified documents show that Dallas reporter Hugh Aynesworth was in contact with the Dallas CIA office and had on at least one occasion "offered his services to us." The files are chock full of Aynesworth informing to the FBI, particularly in regard to the Garrison investigation. See for example an account of lengthy FBI meeting with Aynesworth on 26 Apr 1967 re: Garrison and 5 May 1967 Domestic Intelligence Division note. See also a CIA 27 Dec 1967 account of a phone call in which Aynesworth is said to have offered to secure documents "extracted" from Garrison's files (by William Gurvich). Also of note is a message Aynesworth sent to George Christian at LBJ's White House, in which Aynesworth wrote that "My interest in informing government officials of each step along the way is because of my intimate knowledge of what Jim Garrison is planning." See Jim DiEugenio's Hugh Aynesworth: Refusing a Conspiracy is his Life's Work. .. http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/..._Kennedys_Ghost B.......

Duke: Quote: "ROFLMAO! Touche! But where's the ankle photo? I don't think that Mack has ever shied from his legal (or birth) name, any more so than I have from mine. Latest I recall - correct me if I'm wrong - I'm not thinking he claims to be a witness to anything that is affected by what he's called, any more than I am when it comes to who wrote that book: my name is on my birth certificate; the author's name is not on his, so what's the point? " ******************* Oh, I agree Duke: Gary does not allow anything he claims to witness to affect him by any name he may be called....... .....me thinks he may go on the old time principal of , ......call him anything you want, just don't call him late for supper......so go ahead anything goes.... You mean Gary, Larry's ankles, sorry I have photos of his face, head, back, body etc, but he has not shown off those ankles for any for us...pity.....we shall just have to wait till we catch him ......Strolling the Plaza....in his Bermuda's... B.........

Here you go Pat...compliments of the W/R...... B....

Having been one of the attendees at said BBQ joint for such "debate," let me add a few comments.As I, too, recall, it was indeed Larry Howard who put together the deal, although he sat in the audience rather than on the dais, brandishing a file folder with Gary Mack's birth name emblazoned on it as if it was somehow a crime that someone would use a name other than their own, like Kidd Craddick does on another Dallas-area radio station. "Kidd?" C'mon, I'd imagine his parents were a little more imaginative than that!! I don't recall that Aynesworth sat with Perry, but I suppose it's possible: I've slept since then. It would've meant he was also sitting with me, which i don't think was the case. That was after I'd given him a particularly hard time at a "Marrs Meeting" (which you might recall; I'm fairly certain John Armstrong would since he was there and we talked extensively afterward. I don't imagine Hugh would've thought of me as any kind of an ally at that point. No matter. The "debate" was heavily weighed against anyone who didn't buy into the Beverly-as-Babushka Lady story. One might do well to recall that, up until that evening, Mary Ferrell also didn't think that the two were one and the same. Although I remember Mary's exact rationale for finally accepting the possibility - more on that momentarily - the rest of the "debate" centered around Beverly being a good Christian woman whose husband is a preacher, so why would she of all people in the world lie? The photo you put in your message, added here because it was quite a number of posts (and replies with full posts quoted in them) back, is perhaps instructive. The arrow, unintended for the purpose I'm going to note, goes to the heart of the matter. Mary Ferrell's disbelief of Beverly being the Babushka Lady centered on the women's ankles. Mary noted - as only a woman could - that a woman's ankle's never change shape. A young lady with slender ankles will have slender ankles when she's 40 or 50 or 60; likewise, a woman with wide ankles will not have slender ankles when she's 40 or 50 or 60. (Not being an "ankle man" myself, I'd never noticed such a thing until that night, but have much more so since then, and I have to say her analysis was right on the money.) Unfortunately, if someone had this photo or a similar one at the BBQ joint that night, I didn't see it and thus could not have compared Beverly's ankles with Babushka's; when I've seen Beverly, I haven't had such a photo, and haven't seen Beverly when I had a photo handy. So here's the challenge, capitulated to (seemingly reluctantly) by Mary Ferrell, but still uncertain as far as I'm concerned: post a similar photo of Beverly where we can see her ankles, and then let's compare the two sets. They're either the same or they're not, and if they're not, the Babuska Lady is still unknown. Having a pair of shoes doesn't mean a thing. You can have several pairs of shoes, some that look like others, but you can only have one set of ankles. I've also never given a lot of credence to her "experimental camera" story either, but one thing at a time, eh? ***************************** Duke : Quote: ""So here's the challenge, capitulated to (seemingly reluctantly) by Mary Ferrell, but still uncertain as far as I'm concerned: post a similar photo of Beverly where we can see her ankles, and then let's compare the two sets. They're either the same or they're not, and if they're not, the Babuska Lady is still unknown. "" Here you go Duke........below......Bev's ankles and Babuska's......... Now here's my challenge, Gary Mack's name was Lawrence Dunkel..... I would like to see, a comparison of two photos.......one of Gary Mack's Ankles and another of Lawrence Dunkel's.... Let's compare them......They're also either the same or they're not...so For a positive ID that Gary is Larry, and Larry is Gary....it's ..Time to show their ankles.... Thank you ever so..... B........

Peter : Main Weberman Page........Right hand side in red.....click Gerry Patrick Hemming leads to a video...... http://www.ajweberman.com/coupt5.htm Video page.......If it stops click on the left hand side button again....and it continues....that is what worked for moi.. http://www.ajweberman.com/hemreal.htm B............

****************** Peter: A.J Weberman made a tape with him back in 95.........I believe the Hemming Lancer Panel was in 96..or thereabouts..... so the tape is more than likely one and the same, it is the only I have ever heard of....mentioned...? You might want to contact him.......he has information related to it on his website,so if this is the tape, he has made no secret of it..... See...... THE THEORY RINGLEADER: GERRY PATRICK HEMMING Evidence strongly suggests HEMMING (former prisoner of Castro), met OSWALD in the Marines, and brought him into his plan. Click HERE to see a photo of HEMMING and this researcher taken in 1995. HEMMING told this researcher: "How can you set up people to take a fall unless you're dealing with them personally? Get the clue, asshole?" In 1978 I met HEMMING at his "private detective" office in the Little Havana section of Miami. Click HERE to see a photo of HEMMING in 1978. I was impressed by this 6' 7" man. HEMMING exuded self confidence and was fully conversant with all facets of trade craft. He was a criminal genius. HEMMING provided me with the identity of the third tramp. He said: "FRANK STURGIS was firing from the Records Building." He visited me at Bleecker Street......... ...and on........... http://www.ajweberman.com/nodules2/nodulec1.htm B.........

Lee this is the obit from the Fayetteville newspaper..... Published on Friday, February 01, 2008 Cold War figure dies By Corey G. Johnson Staff writer A former soldier who trained Cubans to fight against Fidel Castro and had been a central figure in assassination probes of John F. Kennedy and Martin Luther King Jr. died this week in Fayetteville, family members said. Gerald Patrick Hemming, 70, died in his sleep at his Haymount Manor apartment, his daughter, Kristi Hemming Roderick, said Thursday. An exact date and cause of death is still being determined. Mr. Hemming will be buried with military honors at 2 p.m. Monday in Sandhills State Veterans Cemetery. “My father was a Cold War freedom fighter,” Kristi Hemming said. “He put country first, which meant he wasn’t around as much as we like, but that’s OK, we loved him anyway.” Born March 1, 1937, in Los Angeles, Mr. Hemming joined the Marines in 1954. Four years later, he left the Marines to go to Cuba, where he fought side-by-side with Fidel Castro to overthrow then president Fulgencio Batista in 1959. “A lot of people don’t remember that initially we supported Castro,” said Mr. Hemming’s wife, Patricia Hemming. Patricia and Kristi Hemming live in Fayetteville. Shortly after Castro assumed power, Mr. Hemming discovered the Cuban leader secretly working with the Soviet Union. He felt betrayed. “He didn’t know nuclear warheads were being pumped into Cuba,” his wife said. “When he found out, he tried his best to stop it.” Castro learned of Mr. Hemming’s plans to organize an uprising and threw him and his friends in jail, Patricia Hemming said. Sometime later, Mr. Hemming was able to escape. Many of his fellow insurgents weren’t as lucky. “My father named my brother Felipe Vidal Santiago, in honor of Felipe Vidal, who was executed,” Kristi Hemming said. Vidal was a Cuban naval officer who went into exile when Castro gained power. Mr. Hemming returned to the United States and settled in Miami, where he gradually became a fixture in the anti-Castro community. At the time, the CIA — operating out of a non-descript office on the campus of the University of Miami — was heavily recruiting Cubans for a secret offensive against Castro, according to congressional records. Mr. Hemming was also recruiting and training Cubans to fight in his organization, called the Intercontinental Penetration Force (Interpen), the records shows. Some people alleged that Mr. Hemming was working with the CIA during that time. His wife and daughter deny the allegation. “If he did, where were the checks?” Patricia Hemming said. “We scraped and struggled all of our life.” After President Kennedy was assassinated in 1963, the FBI questioned Mr. Hemming as a suspect. Investigators dropped the inquiry once they learned he was in Miami taking care of his pregnant wife, Patricia Hemming said. But in the 1970s, congressional investigators questioned Mr. Hemming again after he revealed that he met Lee Harvey Oswald years before the assassination. FBI files show that Mr. Hemming told agents in March 1968 that someone had offered to pay him to kill King. Patricia Hemming said her husband began to fervently research both assassinations, in part to get to the truth and in part to clear his name. “Those accusations were like a cloud that he wanted to get rid of,” she said. As part of that effort, Mr. Hemming spoke out at assassination-related conferences. He is also listed as a technical adviser on Oliver Stone’s film J.F.K. But he got his most joy in his humanitarian work, Kristie Hemming said. In the 1970s, Mr. Hemming organized a group of doctors and Special Forces veterans for a rescue mission into Peru after an earthquake hit. And he led a rescue mission into Honduras after a Hurricane flooded an entire area, family members said. He moved from Florida to Fayetteville in the 1990s because he wanted to be near the Veterans Affairs Medical Center and old buddies. “He wasn’t driven by money or the world,” Patricia Hemming said. “Honor was his most important thing.” Staff writer Corey G. Johnson can be reached at johnsonc@fayobserver.com or 323-4848, ext. 487 Copyright 2008 - The Fayetteville (NC) Observer http://www.fayobserver.com/article?id=284570 B.....

Absolutely, I believe it. It's right there in his and Greer's testimony. Both of them marked the photo. Now, it's possible that Specter or the WC tried to erase it, or that the marks faded, but it makes no sense to have them fake marking it in their testimony. At one point, for unclear reasons, they decided to start using a clean version of this photo. They called this CE 354. The CE 354 published by the WC did not show the actual marks, but showed where the marks supposedly were. I think these marks accurately reflect the marks made. Agent Hill marked the location of the limousine at the time of the first shot around where eyewitnesses say the limo was at the first shot. Amazingly, however, Agent Youngblood marked the location of the VP car at the time of the first shot, FURTHER down the road than Hill's mark. After that, the WC lawyers stopped asking people where the car was at the time of the first shot. ************ Well I am glad to have found someone who believes even a part of the W/C....and unwaveringly, I do not mean that facetiously..... Was not this a Goverment Commission, was not Greer a Government employee....?? Was it not reported by some that their testimony was altered and some information not appearing within, upon the printing....??. Were some not pressured to change their testimony, and upon not doing so, found it had been for them......?? Apart from leaving out of course some very important witness that were never called, in the first place.... I do think you answered your own question, Pat, ""Amazingly, however, Agent Youngblood marked the location of the VP car at the time of the first shot, FURTHER down the road than Hill's mark. After that, the WC lawyers stopped asking people where the car was at the time of the first shot."" Nothing within the W/C can be trusted, nor taken at solid face value, as being complete to any given subject...within...... simply because too much was not investigated, or and not included, nor handed into them....... It is and remains an unholy mismash , of a government gone wrong......it was the final chapter in the Assassination of America.....at it's time... like the title of the books.....imo.. Thanks for the come back....I agree not to agree..... B.........