Bernice Moore

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General Godfrey McHugh .

General Godfrey McHugh HSCA Record Number 180-10078-10465 Agency File Number 009414 Originator-HSCA From: Godfrey McHugh To: -- Date: 5/11/78 Pages: 5 Subjects: Motorcade Assassination Return of remains to D.C. LBJ JFK autopsy Release Date: 10/22/93 Contents: Report by HSCA investigator Mark Flanagan on telephone interview with McHugh. Document follows in full. KENNEDY SELECT COMMITTEE ON ASSASSINATIONS NAME Brigadier General Godfrey McHugh DATE 5-11-78 TIME ADDRESS 5241 Partridge Lane, N.W. PLACE Telephone interview Washington, D.C. Interview: I spoke to General McHugh by telephone on May 11, 1978 concerning his presence at the autopsy of President Kennedy. McHugh currently resides at 5241 Partridge Lane, N.W., Washington, D.C. His phone number is (202) 244-5241. At the time of the assassination McHugh served as the Air Force Military Aide of the President. As such, he regularly travelled with the President during official visits and commanded Air Force I. Consequently, McHugh accompanied the President's body back to Bethesda. McHugh stated that the purpose of the Texas trip was to provide "full exposure" of the President to the people of Dallas and thus politically "win" the Texans. Ordinarily McHugh rode in the Presidential limousine in the front seat. This was the first time he was instructed not to ride in the car so that all attention would be focused on the President to accentuate full exposure. McHugh recalled that during the motorcade he distinctly heard three shots in succession, as did John Clifton who was Interviewer Signature /s/ Mark Flanagan Typed Signature Mark Flanagan Date transcribed br 5-24-78 [end of page one] Brigadier General Godfrey McHugh Page 2. riding beside him. McHugh immediately scanned the area but did not discern any assassin or assassins. McHugh said that the shots originated from above and in the vicinity of the TSBD. After the Parkland doctors pronounced the President dead McHugh said that the Presidential Party received notice that the President's body was not to be removed from Texas. The Secret Service and the President's aides decided, however, that the President's body was in their custody and that they should remove it from Texas. McHugh assisted the Secret Service agents in removing the casket from the hospital. In the process McHugh recalled that the police and Mayor Cabal stopped them and informed them that they would be breaking the law if they removed the body. McHugh then told the Texas authorities that he didn't understand how he could be breaking the law when he was only following orders and then, together with the S.S. agents, proceeded to "politely push everything out of the way" and transport the body to Air Force I. Once the President's body, Jackie Kennedy, the Secret Service agents, McHugh and some others were aboard Air Force I, Ken O'Donnell told McHugh to take off for Washington. McHugh learned from the pilot, however, that Vice President Johnson had already assumed control of Air Force I and had ordered the plane to remain on the ground until further notice. This was to allow transfer of materials from Air Force II to I and to allow [end of page two] Brigadier General Godfrey McHugh Page 3. for the arrival of various persons for the swearing-in ceremony. During this time McHugh began looking for Johnson to discuss the situation. The pilot told McHugh that Johnson had already boarded Air Force I. McHugh had encountered difficulty in locating Johnson but finally discovered him alone "hiding in the toilet in the bedroom compartment and muttering, `Conspiracy, conspiracy, they're after all of us.'" McHugh then attempted to calm Johnson. During the flight to Andrews Air Force Base in Washington McHugh sat with Mrs. Kennedy next to the President's casket in the rear of Air Force I. McHugh said Mrs. Kennedy instructed McHugh "not to leave the body of the President" until it was finally prepared for burial. After arriving at Andrews McHugh said he rode with the President's body, Mrs. Kennedy, and Robert Kennedy in an ambulance to the Bethesda Naval Hospital for the performance of an autopsy. McHugh remained with the body and witnessed the autopsy while the family members maintained vigil in a suite at the hospital. McHugh recalled that his first thought during the autopsy was how yellow the body appeared to be. He remembered that the autopsy doctors remarked that this was not unusual in this situation. McHugh did not ask for further elaboration. McHugh said the basic purpose of the autopsy was to deter- [end of page three] Brigadier General Godfrey McHugh Page 4. mine what exactly killed the President. He said Secret Service men were present as well as the three principal pathologists. During the autopsy no one was permitted to enter or leave. McHugh did not have specific recollection concerning the location of the wounds or the discussions among the doctors. McHugh did say that the pathologists recorded minute notes and that he recalled a wound to the throat. A primary concern was locating any fragments of lead. McHugh said that Bobby Kennedy and Ken O'Donnell frequently telephoned him during the autopsy from their suite. On all occasions RFK and O'Donnell only asked to speak with McHugh. McHugh said they inquired about the results, about why the autopsy was taking so much time, and about the need for speed and efficiency while still performing the required examinations. McHugh said he never stated or implied that the doctors should limit the autopsy in any manner but merely reminded them to work as efficiently and quickly as possible. McHugh said that even after he would inform RFK and O'Donnell that the autopsy would require several hours they would still frequently call to ask why it was taking so long and when it would be completed. McHugh recalled that O'Donnell and the Secret Service instructed that all procedures related to the body should be performed at Bethesda to reduce security risks. After preparations at Bethesda were complete, McHugh accompanied the body to the White House where it was placed [end of page four] Brigadier General Godfrey McHugh Page 5. in the East Room. McHugh stated that he formerly worked with Presidents Roosevelt, Truman and Eisenhower. After retiring from the military, Magnavox employed McHugh as a Vice President. McHugh is currently fully retired. [end of page five and end of document]

one more try a beggar for punishment, best all b :blink:sorry david did put them in word form, but it is telling me still that i cannot upload this type of file i have sent them to greg, hopefully he will be able to upload them, thanks again am gone bluey.... no problem, happens with some regularity, only usually not this early in the day...

Bernice,

I am attaching the 3 documents I sent previously, now in Word format.

I would think it would be easy to post them. And I would also hope that anyone reading these materials will immediately understand the essence of the shell game which occurred at Bethesda—which, as I have stated, is spelled out in great detail in Best Evidence (chapters 25 – 28).

Thanks.

DSL

sorry i can only get the one Time article posted, there are 3 more, i will contact HELP..thanks much any who are following this, for your patience, he has put them in word, but am being told the same, that i cannot upload this type of file.to the forum, when i have tried to upload, and .....sorry bout that, they will be uploaded eventually by perhaps greg or someone else,whom i can bug again....all have a good un... thank you again...b

Posted at the request of Bernice...from David Lifton:

Thank you Greg, very appreciated, i have a further reply from David, he has sent more information including 3 more documents, hopefully they will take for me, if not, i shall be bugging you again..he only asks, and as he mentions , that what he sends be correctly used and copied out on the web, by others, again many thanks to David Lifton for sharing his knowledge with us....

Hello Bernice,

By way of follow-up to my previous email, which was very hurriedly written) and the documents I sent by way of explanation. . . :

Here are three items which I reviewed earlier today, and which provide a complete discussion of the whole business of "3 entries of 2 caskets."

With regard to the multiple casket entries at Bethesda, the main thing that changed between the time BEST EVIDENCE was published in January, 1981 and the present occurred during the life of the ARRB (1995 - 9/30/98). One new witness was discovered—who actually wrote a report in November 1963—and another, who was known to exist, was interviewed for the first time. These two accounts corroborated what was already published in BEST EVIDENCE, as laid out in Chapters 25 – 28. Those two witnesses are:

A) Roger Boyajian, the Marine Sergeant who was Chief of Security at the Morgue (and who wrote a detailed report on 11/26/63).

Gawler's employee Von Hoesen, who is mentioned in the Sibert and O'Neill FBI report of the autopsy (but was never interviewed).

Boyajian's report, dated 11/26/63 (not 11/22/63, as I may have indicated--that was an error. Sorry.) states that the coffin containing the body arrived at 6:35 P.M.

Von Hoesen was quite explicit that the body arrived (inside the coffin) in a body bag.

The attached 3 items should be useful, if you wish to read further about this whole matter of multiple casket entries at Bethedsa. Again, please remember: it is all laid out, at great length, in BEST EVIDENCE, but perhaps these documents will make it even clearer:

(1) A Bethesda Time Line (graphic) --spelling out these 3 arrivals, and demonstrating how each is based on solid documentation (coming from these different, and very official, USG reports —the USMC (Boyajian, and 6:35 PM), the FBI (for 7:17 PM) and the Army (for 8PM, and the MDW casket team).

(2) A Bethesda time Line (verbal)--discussing each of thee 3 arrivals

(3) An email that Doug Horne sent a TV producer, who was contemplating doing a show on this matter. The email spells out succinctly and clearly the importance of the two witnesses mentioned above: Gawler's employee Von Hoesen, and USMC Sergeant Boyajian.

Hope this helps clarify the situation.

Please make sure that Bill Kelly reads this stuff, so that write Internet posts about this somewhat complex situation on the Internet, the posts accurately reflect the record. (I realize the record can be confusing. These "study aides" should be helpful).

If you have any further questions re these materials, please do communicate with me.

Many thanks.

DSL

ps. Greg they are not uploading for me, i shall be sending them to you, if you would be so kind as to post when you can, thankyou...i think it may be moi, and my good for nothing lap, and or the Gremlin,together again...he loves pulling this crap...

thank you peoples for your time...best b

Hi Bernice,

I'm paying attention but I don't know what I can add to the proceedings.

Certainly the black hearse was from Gawlers, and whoever was in that hearse (Robinson?) should know where the metal shipping casket came from and how the body got into it.

If they released the body to the SS in Dallas under the condition that Gen. McHugh stay with the body, then McHugh should certainly know too.

Is he in any of the photos of the swearing in? Or did he stay with the body?

And if the body was offloaded the front door right side in the metal shipping casket while the 400 pound bronze casket was removed by the fork lift truck into the white ambulance, then the metal shipping casket with the body had to be helicoptered to Bethesda, and the casket moved from the helicopeter pad to the building via the black hearse. Is that right?

Then the guys in the black hearse must know where they got the casket.

That's where my thinking leads me.

BK

bill, i found this thread below, general mchugh and the lbj museum photo site, are mentioned,they may have some information for you...thanks b

http://educationforu...?showtopic=6574

ps. Greg they are not uploading for me, i shall be sending them to you, if you would be so kind as to post when you can, thankyou...i think it may be moi, and my good for nothing lap, and or the Gremlin,together again...he loves pulling this crap...

[/font]thank you peoples for your time...best b

Bernice,

I tried, but the files are too large to upload. I may be able to break them up to make them smaller. I have to eat dinner first, though.

thank you Greg for your time and effort....b

With Harrys knowledge; to post;

Judyth; A Heads up.... Permission was not asked for nor granted,from Harry, why not...??.

Hi BerniceAs JVB has spread my face with some confessedly incorrect statements on her recently discovered blog, I wish to verify the significance re; flowers...http://judythbaker.blogspot.com/

placed on Oswald's grave from 24 November 1965 and continued forseveral years. {It is not possible to access her blog}.The purpose of the flowers was simply to support specific four to eightline poems,intended to provoke authorities into cracking open the Archivedoor.At some point I read that the then president Johnson furiously ordered his people to find who the guilty party was.The Los Angeles bureau office, tried 'every method to discourage' thoseannual deliveries.Just wanted this known. Until later... Harry aka Hj

Bernice,

Could you please send me a private message as to how I might contact Mr. Dean?

Thank you,

Dean

Bernice,

Cancel the private message. Judyth has removed all references to Harry Dean on her web site and has asked me to convey her apologies to him.

Dean

thanks for the information Dean, you could have contacted him through the forum's email, he is a member, he has been following this thread i do believe , so i imagine, he will have read your information...b

Posted at the request of Bernice...from David Lifton:

Thank you Greg, very appreciated, i have a further reply from David, he has sent more information including 3 more documents, hopefully they will take for me, if not, i shall be bugging you again..he only asks, and as he mentions , that what he sends be correctly used and copied out on the web, by others, again many thanks to David Lifton for sharing his knowledge with us....

Hello Bernice,

By way of follow-up to my previous email, which was very hurriedly written) and the documents I sent by way of explanation. . . :

Here are three items which I reviewed earlier today, and which provide a complete discussion of the whole business of "3 entries of 2 caskets."

With regard to the multiple casket entries at Bethesda, the main thing that changed between the time BEST EVIDENCE was published in January, 1981 and the present occurred during the life of the ARRB (1995 - 9/30/98). One new witness was discoveredwho actually wrote a report in November 1963and another, who was known to exist, was interviewed for the first time. These two accounts corroborated what was already published in BEST EVIDENCE, as laid out in Chapters 25 28. Those two witnesses are:

A) Roger Boyajian, the Marine Sergeant who was Chief of Security at the Morgue (and who wrote a detailed report on 11/26/63).

Gawler's employee Von Hoesen, who is mentioned in the Sibert and O'Neill FBI report of the autopsy (but was never interviewed).

Boyajian's report, dated 11/26/63 (not 11/22/63, as I may have indicated--that was an error. Sorry.) states that the coffin containing the body arrived at 6:35 P.M.

Von Hoesen was quite explicit that the body arrived (inside the coffin) in a body bag.

The attached 3 items should be useful, if you wish to read further about this whole matter of multiple casket entries at Bethedsa. Again, please remember: it is all laid out, at great length, in BEST EVIDENCE, but perhaps these documents will make it even clearer:

(1) A Bethesda Time Line (graphic) --spelling out these 3 arrivals, and demonstrating how each is based on solid documentation (coming from these different, and very official, USG reports the USMC (Boyajian, and 6:35 PM), the FBI (for 7:17 PM) and the Army (for 8PM, and the MDW casket team).

(2) A Bethesda time Line (verbal)--discussing each of thee 3 arrivals

(3) An email that Doug Horne sent a TV producer, who was contemplating doing a show on this matter. The email spells out succinctly and clearly the importance of the two witnesses mentioned above: Gawler's employee Von Hoesen, and USMC Sergeant Boyajian.

Hope this helps clarify the situation.

Please make sure that Bill Kelly reads this stuff, so that write Internet posts about this somewhat complex situation on the Internet, the posts accurately reflect the record. (I realize the record can be confusing. These "study aides" should be helpful).

If you have any further questions re these materials, please do communicate with me.

Many thanks.

DSL

ps. Greg they are not uploading for me, i shall be sending them to you, if you would be so kind as to post when you can, thankyou...i think it may be moi, and my good for nothing lap, and or the Gremlin,together again...he loves pulling this crap...

thank you peoples for your time...best b

Turns out that magazine is in my collection. Pageant was a competitor of Readers Digest and Coronet.

Jack

great find jack, kudos...thank you...best b

double post, deleted...b

Fair enough, Duke. I'll admit that my research techniques may not be the norm, but while I use reports and articles from other researchers as a starting point, I try to use them to find actual materials such as photos and documents to form my own conclusions. I also, rightly or wrongly, try to put myself "into the heads" of those present and use some good old fashion horse sense to try and determine why things were done the way they were done.

I try to recognize that everyone involved were very emotional and confused with the situation. A President had just been killed. They were involved personally, and communications back in 1963 were archaic at best. Rumors and misinformation were the norm in this situation. Times may not be accurate. Statements may omit important (to us now) information or simple human error and good old "CYA" thinking have contributed to the confusion to what we have now.

I've always been given to understand that the idea behind Occam's Razor is not, as some people tend to characterize it, that "the simplest explanation is usually the best" as in "it must be the way it happened," but rather "don't complicate things unnecessarily," as in "don't confuse people with every detail when a synopsis will do."

I tend to think of Occam's Razor as the former. The simplest explanation is usually the best. Right or wrong, that is the way it was intended.

Why (if I remember its contents correctly) would USSS agents go out to "escort" an obviously empty casket into the morgue before the Boss's body was even brought in, and then, if they had and recognized the error (or knew what they were doing at the onset: carrying in for the undertakers), carry on as if that empty casket was the Dallas casket?

I'm going to assume that when a funeral home goes out on a first call, they take a hearse and a temporary casket to transport the remains back to the funeral home. So whatever the case, the Gawler people arrived at Bethesda in a hearse which probably had a casket in the back, along with four undertakers, probably wearing black suits as undertakers are likely to do.

Again, I'm trying to put myself into the heads of those involved. If I were a SS agent at Bethesda, and I knew "The Boss" was coming, and saw a hearse pull into the loading dock, I would assume it was him and order the sailors to bring the casket inside along with escorting it. If they went out there, and found that it was the funeral home bringing an empty casket, I would probably go back inside with it. I guess you could call that escorting.

Then there is the question of why, if the body was removed from a metal shipping casket (by others unseen by the mortician) prior to the body's funeral prep, was an "interim" casket used if the final one was already on-site? Why put it in anything ... in a morgue?

From Gawler's first call document, I was under the assumption that the undertakers were the ones who removed it from the shipping casket (or it was done in their presence). Are there any statements or documents that detail opening a shipping casket and removing the President's body upon arrival? Prior to the autopsy? Most of the documents I've seen simply say that they removed the President's body from "the casket", and don't specify what kind of casket it was. I'm not saying there are no such documents. I'm just saying that I haven't run across any so far in my limited searching.

Also, the final casket, according to the first call sheet, arrived at 2am. Again, I'm guessing that after the autopsy, the President was placed in the shipping casket thinking he was going to be transported back to the funeral home. At some point, the decision was made to do the preparations at Bethesda (which probably had the needed materials), and he was then removed from the temporary casket, prepared, and then placed into the final casket which had arrived by that time.

I don't have any concrete evidence to back any of this up. I'm just trying to come up with a plausible scenario using what's available, and filling in the rest using horse sense. And it does explain the two hearses and two caskets arriving 30 minutes apart and the statements by Gawler. Don't consider it serious research, however.

JWK

Hi William i have the reply from David Lifton, with many thanks, he also has sent two documents along for all's information, heads up Bill Kelly, you may want copies, and thanks fellas for your replys to this thread, appreciate your information, always and insight....take care all...b

1. The delivery of the body in a shipping casket at the back of Bethesda Naval hospital, in a black hearse, approximately “20 minutes” before the arrival of the Navy ambulance at the front, (which we know from news accounts arrived at 6:55 PM. The source of this is Dennis David, who I located and interviewed at length in July, 1979. This is described in detail in Chapter 25 of Best Evidence. It is all laid out, with a nicely drawn time line, etc.
   
   

2. The Boyajian report, which was unearthed by the ARRB, in 1997, and is dated (as I recall) 11/22/63, states that that same casket arrived at 6:35 PM

In other words, Dennis David’s account, provided in July 1979, was corroborated by the Boyajian Report, which was located by the ARRB around 1997 (at the Ford Library, as I recall).

As to the document referring to the metal shipping casket: the source of that is the Gawler Funeral home, and I located that document, circa, 1993, and provided it to Doug Horne, when the ARRB began its work. He then questioned Gawlers, who tried, initially, to pretend it did not exist.

The bottom line: the source of the black hearse witnessed by Dennis David is almost certainly the Gawler funeral home; and their document—what is referred to as a “call sheet”--provides documentary evidence that their hearse was indeed used to pick up the body (somewhere, we don’t know exactly where) and that it was in a metal shipping casket.

The notion that the “metal shipping casket” refers to an event AFTER the autopsy is completely incorrect—and I have no idea who originated that idea. Its just wrong. The phrase “metal shipping casket” is on the Gawler documents because THEIR HEARSE PICKED UP THE BODY IN THAT CASKET. In other words, there is only ONE black hearse in this sequence of events, and—almost certainly—it belonged to Gawlers.

Please note: The body was never “put back into” a metal shipping casket; rather, it arrived at Bethesda (at 6:35 PM EST) in one.

The mahogany casket was ordered by the Kennedy family, after midnight, and arrived at Bethesda sometime in the AM. You can read all about that in Manchester. The body then goes FROM the morgue table TO the mahogay casket.

Anyone studying this really must read Chapter 25 and Chapter 28 of Best Evidence, where all this is laid out—but remember, when I wrote B.E. (which was published in Jan 1981), I did not have the Boyajian Report. I had to rely on (and did rely on) the account of Dennis David (See Chapter 25).

I also did not have the Gawler’s document, which didn’t surface until 1993 (as I recall) when a young collector (who had visited with Gawlers) was given a copy of it, and he brought it to the ASK conference, and showed it to me and to Mary Ferrell.

In short, the surfacing of both the Gawler document (around 1993) and the Boyajian Report (around 1997) corrobroated, and proved the essential validity of the “two casket” argument that I set forth in BEST EVIDENCE (and attracted so much attention when it was published).

IMPLICATIONS

The implications of the 2-casket argument is that the body must have been removed from the Dallas casket during the brief period AFTER the onload to Air Force One (at Love Field, at 2:18 CST) and the time of the takeoff of AF-1 (at 2:48PM). In other words, the body was removed the Dallas casket prior to AF-1 taking off from Love Field.

I now have considerably more evidence that that was in fact the case—in short, I have more evidence concerning the removal of the body during that period, and I know who did that, and how the body got to Washington. All that will be in FINAL CHARADE. (And, of course, this did not happen by magic, and so certain Secret Service agents are lying about this matter).

I am attaching two documents which you might wish to study, and will help clarify this matter.

(1) A time line I created in June, 1998, which lays it out in succinct form.

(2) A memo titles “3 entries of 2 Caskets”, dated 2/6/99, and which discusses the whole matter in detail. This memo was written after both the Gawler’s document, and the Boyajian Report surfaced.

What he wrote, in that email you sent me, is seriously incorrect. Perhaps this memo and the timeline, will help clarify his understanding.

DSL

DSL

Help;;;Antti, someone......Sorry i tried to upload the two files, but the system tells me it cannot upload these types of files, i will try to find out more info, any help would be appreciated...thanks...b

manuel-orcarberro-rodriguez

Bill. Just a silly question, did you ever read the book Our Man in Havana? I bought it, had it shipped to me overseas and fell asleep trying to read it.

Catchy title though.

http://www.amazon.co...y/dp/0140184937

Yes, Peter, Graham Greene's classic was made into a neat movie that was filmed on location in Havana shortly before

Castro came to power, so it captures the feeling of the city at the time.

It concerns an English shopkeeper (Alic Guinnes?) who is recruited to work for British Intelligence (MI6), but when he fails to develop any good

information, he sends them the drawings of a vacume cleaner that is mistaken for some sort of important device decoder or weapon.

Even when he comes clean and admits what he did, they recall him to London, but can't acknowledge they were so fooled, and

give him a medal and place him in charge of training new agents.

It's a fine farce, played deadpan straight like Dr. Strangelove.

Col. Brandy's book reads very similar, especially in how he deals with the rebels - giving them Conrad Hilton's suite as a Command Post.

That reminded me of how David Phillips delt with the rebel students who took over the Swan Island radio station. He broke out some beer and

they had a party and forgot about the radio station.

BK

Colonel Wilmeth was associated years earlier with OFLAG-64

http://darbysrangers...od.com/id65.htm

Two published works contain extensive accounts of the evacuation marches from Oflag 64, both to the east with the Soviets and to the west with the Germans: Howard Randolph Holder, Escape to Russia (Athens, Georgia: Iberian Publishing Company, 1994), and Clarence R. Meltesen, Roads To Liberation From Oflag 64 (San Francisco: Oflag 64 Press, 1990). Albert Kadler, Report on Stalag III-A, 15 February 1945, enclosure to Gepp to Barker, 22 March 1945, SHAEF G-1 Decimal File, "383.6," box 25, entry 6, RG 331, NA. MajGen Ray W. Barker to Chief of Staff, 17 February 1945, SHAEF G-1 Decimal File, "383.6," box 25, entry 6, RG 331, NA; and SHAEF G-1 to 12th Army Group, 6th Army Group, and COMZ, 21 April 1945, Message S-85780; British Military Attache' Berne to SHAEF G-1, 26 April 1945, Message MAS 0/807, SHAEF SGS Decimal File, "383.6," box 87, entry 1, RG 331, NA. Lt. Col. James D. Wilmeth, "Report on a Visit to Lublin, Poland, 27 February - 28 March

also

http://www.scribd.co...I-Working-Group

www.usmccca.org/pdfs/hm_chevron.pdf

Also related?

http://www.therestor...om/wilmeth2.htm

So you have this group of people.....

Colonel Orlov [friend of DeMohernschildt]

Colonel Dudley Wilmeth

Colonel Howard Burris

Colonel Samuel G. Kail

Paul Bethel - Citizens Committee for a Free Cuba

James Daniel - Executive Director - Citizens Committee for a Free Cuba [CD 49]

Col Brandstetter "Brandy" honorary member Association of Former Intelligence Officers

David Atlee Phillips

Otto Otepka - Office of Security [was linked to Security File on Lee Oswald, allegedly did not get to read it?]

more.....

Found in: HSCA Segregated CIA Collection (microfilm - reel 53: Hemming - Lorenz)

Reel 53, Folder C - SAMUEL G. KAIL

RIF#: 1994.04.22.15:51:32:040005 (4/4/1961) CIA#: 80T01357A

14 April 1961

Chief/WH4/FI

Chief Contact Division (Support)

Military reports from Samuel G. Kail former Military attache to Cuba

Attached are two reports

Shirley Stetson

E. M. Ashcraft

http://www.maryferre....do?docId=55466

more......

BISHOP suggested to Antonio Veciana in 1960 that he go to the Embassy and contact a Mr. Smith and Sam Kail. Said Veciana: "MAURICE BISHOP suggested the names of these individuals because we needed specific weapons to carry out the jobs, and he told me that these were the people who could help me."Antonio Veciana was asked not to reveal BISHOP'S name to them. The HSCA ascertained that in 1960 there was a Colonel Samuel G. Kail at the American Embassy, Havana. The HSCA located Sam Kail, retired, and interviewed him in Dallas. Sam Kail, born June 7, 1915, was a West Point graduate who served as the Army Military Attache from June 3, 1958, until the day the American Embassy, Havana, closed on January 4, 1961. His primary mission as a Military Attache had been intelligence. Sam Kail assumed his unit was functioning for the CIA. He told the HSCA: "I suspect they pay our bills." In January 1963 he received the CIA's Legion of Merit Award. Kail said that prior to the American Embassy closing in Havana, there was a constant stream of Cubans coming through his office with anti-Castro schemes, including assassination plans, asking for American assistance in the form of weapons or guarantees of escaping. Kail stated: "We had hoards and hoards of people through there all the time." For that reason, he said, he did not specifically remember Veciana visiting him. "I think it would be a miracle if I could recall him," he said, but does not discount the possibility that he did meet him. Kail said, however, agents of the CIA would frequently use the names of other Embassy staff personnel in their outside contacts without notifying the staff individual it was being done. It happened a number of times he said that a Cuban would come in and ask to see Colonel Kail and when introduced to him, tell him that he was not the Colonel Kail he had met outside the Embassy. Kail said he would then have the Cuban point out the CIA agent who had used his name. Kail said he was not familiar with MAURICE BISHOP."

Gaeton Fonzi believed that "Mr. Smith"might have been Wayne Smith, the third secretary at the American Embassy in Havana at the time Veciana claimed he met him there. Smith was a personal friend of PHILLIPS.

DELORES CAO: WITNESS TO VECIANA/BISHOP ASSOCIATION

Veciana told the HSCA that he had no way of getting in touch with BISHOP and that all meetings were instigated by BISHOP, a procedure BISHOP established early in their relationship. To set up a meeting, BISHOP would call Veciana by telephone, or, if Veciana was out of town, call a third person whom Veciana trusted, someone who always knew his location. Veciana said that this third person never met BISHOP but, "knew that BISHOP and I were partners in this fight because this person shared my anti-Communist feelings." Author Tony Summers found this intermediary. Her name was Delores Cao of Barrio Obrero, Puerto Rico. She was the wife of Sergio Arias. She had been Veciana's personal secretary at the Banco Financiero, where Veciana worked in Havana. Delores Cao left Cuba for Puerto Rico, where she became involved in anti-Castro activities. Veciana had recontacted her in Puerto Rico, and asked her to provide secretarial services, and to act as his answering service when he was out of town. She agreed, and in the months that followed she became familiar with the name of a man who called from the mainland. His name, she recalled, was BISHOP. Delores Cao also knew Victor Espinosa. Delores Cao mentioned that the name "Prewett" was associated with "MAURICE BISHOP." Journalist Virginia Prewett (died April 1988 at age 66) was a media asset of PHILLIPS. PHILLIPS admitted this to David Leigh. (In his offensive against Tony Summer's book, PHILLIPS had approached the Washington Post's Executive Editor, Ben Bradlee. Bradlee assigned David Leigh, an English exchange reporter, to look into the story). Virginia Prewett's columns were syndicated by North American Newspaper Alliance and she was a member of the Free Cuba Committee. [Fonzi, Last Inv. p319; HSCA OCR

Remember Jack Ruby's correction of Henry Wade?

I think it is a pretty safe bet that the D.A. Phillips - Maurice Bishop area, is the least mysterious for people on this Forum....

And I suppose it is no shock that once you wade through all of this the AFIO membership roster becomes even more interesting than it did before, which is really saying something. But what do I know.......lol

And I am sure I will regret doing this but.....here's a quote that's thought provoking.....

"I think it started in the wind. Money, arms, big-oil, Pentagon people, contractors, bankers, politicians like L.B.J. were committed to a war in Southeast Asia. As early as 61' they knew Kennedy was going to change things.....He was not going to war in Southeast Asia......Probably some boardroom or lunchroom somewhere-- Houston, New York-- hell, maybe Bonn, Germany

Money is at stake. Big money. A hundred billion. The Kennedy brothers target voting districts for defense contracts. They give TFX fighter contracts only to the districts that are going to make a difference in 64'. These people fight back....'

There is also an interesting Dallas news article from July 25, 1965

entitled

Muscle, Readiness Shown by 49th Armored Division; by Eddie S Hughes

[North Fort Hood, Texas]

It was a proud 49th Armored Division that flexed its muscle of armor

Saturday in the face of another world crisis. A National Guard outfit

which proved itself during the Berlin crisis four years ago, the 49th

paraded its awesome armored might during the divisions annual

mounted review......

The divisions 149th Aviation Battalion, based in Grand Prairie, and commanded

by Lt. Col. Norman Wilmeth, received the Gen. Clayton B. Kerr award as the

outstanding battalion. The award is named after a former 49th Division commander

who still lives in Dallas and was present for the review.

Thanks for that one Robert,

I think I might have to start a file on just Colonels, just to keep track of them.

BK

This is Part 4 of the Twelve Legend Makers series.

http://www.opednews....101001-277.html

Part 4: When the U-2 Goes Down, Oswald is Ready to Return)

Michael:

I love that last statement by Mr. CIA/FBI himself.

Hugh should be in jail for obstruction of justice during the Garrison inquiry. And probably as an accomplice to assault and battery. I have little doubt that he was the guy tracking the witness location for the attacks on Garrison's witnesses toward the time of the trial.

Anyone who calls this guy "misguided' does not know what on earth he is talking about.

Former Reporter Recalls Kennedy Assassination and Morehttp://www.kwes.com/Global/story.asp?S=13614704

You don't believe the Jackie was retrieving a piece of JFK's head from the trunk?

No, I don't. That's Conspiracy Myth #129.

Jackie herself said she didn't even remember going out onto the trunk at all. So she was never any help to anyone regarding this issue.

But even if she HAD gone to the trunk to get a piece of grisly skull/brain, my previous post in this thread

is (IMO) a perfectly reasonable explanation for how a piece of JFK's head could have ended up on the trunk after being struck from behind by a bullet.

Plus: the conspiracy theorists who seem to think that the trunk of the Presidential limousine was the ONLY possible place where Jackie could have obtained the piece of brain tissue that she handed to Dr. Marion Jenkins at Parkland Hospital are just dead wrong about that. We know that Mrs. Kennedy was holding onto JFK's head during the entire 5-minute drive to Parkland. So it's quite reasonable to believe that in her futile efforts to try and "hold his skull on", a piece of the President's head could have come off in Jackie's hands.

So your purpose isn't to determine the truth - but to debunk and any all conspiracy theories?

How is it a conspiracy theory that Jackie grabbed something off the trunk of the limo that can be clearly seen in the Z-film and what Agent Hill says is a piece of JFK's head?

Those things really happened, regardless of your extremist beliefs.

BK

FINGERS CROSSED BILL THIS one takes and WORKS, A NIX GIF THAT SHOWS PARTS OF HIS SCULL BEING THROWN, sorry caps, back in the direction of the trunk of xp 100..what jackie went after...imo..b Bill for some reason they are not being enabled to work within the post but if you click it, it opens within and you see the head parts the same with the one above, click and it comes up enabled,,,??...b

You don't believe the Jackie was retrieving a piece of JFK's head from the trunk?

No, I don't. That's Conspiracy Myth #129.

Jackie herself said she didn't even remember going out onto the trunk at all. So she was never any help to anyone regarding this issue.

But even if she HAD gone to the trunk to get a piece of grisly skull/brain, my previous post in this thread

is (IMO) a perfectly reasonable explanation for how a piece of JFK's head could have ended up on the trunk after being struck from behind by a bullet.

Plus: the conspiracy theorists who seem to think that the trunk of the Presidential limousine was the ONLY possible place where Jackie could have obtained the piece of brain tissue that she handed to Dr. Marion Jenkins at Parkland Hospital are just dead wrong about that. We know that Mrs. Kennedy was holding onto JFK's head during the entire 5-minute drive to Parkland. So it's quite reasonable to believe that in her futile efforts to try and "hold his skull on", a piece of the President's head could have come off in Jackie's hands.

So your purpose isn't to determine the truth - but to debunk and any all conspiracy theories?

How is it a conspiracy theory that Jackie grabbed something off the trunk of the limo that can be clearly seen in the Z-film and what Agent Hill says is a piece of JFK's head?

Those things really happened, regardless of your extremist beliefs.

BK

NIX gif..b Bill as you can obviously see the gifs not working i shall be back..b

Hi Greg.

That looks like a recreation of Zapruder, Nix, and possibly Muchmore / Bronson.

Why do it ?

could be to work out various frame counts / limo speed.

Why? They had the ACTUAL FILM? Who cares what ANY OTHER SUBSTITUTE FILM would offer--when you have the original? Indeed, they had the original film itself and the original camera itself.

To test the single bullet theory alignment.

[edited original for spelling]

Speculating, Robin...?? But, then again, so am I!

from the secret service comes this wee gem, seems they were showing the real zapper as a trainig film to the recruits...because it was very gory, more so than what we see...fyi..

From former Secret Service agent Marty Venker's book

"Confessions of An Ex-Secret Service Agent" , pages 24-25:

" [in Secret Service school] We'd also watch films of real-life

assassinations. Naturally, the featured attraction was the home movie

Abraham Zapruder shot in Dallas on November 22, 1963.

THEY SHOWED YOU THE GRUESOME VERSION THAT THE PUBLIC USUALLY DIDN'T SEE, WHERE PARTS OF

PRESIDENT KENNEDY'S BRAIN SPRAYED ALL OVER JACKIE. Again and again, I

watched that film. The instructors didn't want us to ever forget it

[Emphasis added]."

And, yet, Jackie is clean in appearance in the Z film we know of...? b

William here is the information given to us by Doug Horne from his work re the two caskets, which may be informative...

http://www.jfklancer.com/backes/horne/Backes2b.html

William here isTom's written descriptions of the wounds he saw fwit..b

Thank you, Bernice. Am I wrong in assuming that the other document you have in the previous post is from the funeral home? Or is that a government document that the hospital uses for a death? That is what made me think that maybe the President's body was placed in the shipping casket after the autopsy, then removed from it by the funeral home personnel for the preparation work.

I find it interesting that Mr. Robinson stated he "thinks skull full of plaster of paris". I'm assuming that he means that he didn't do it himself. I wonder who did?

As for the time discrepancies, my statements wouldn't explain the 6:35/6:55 differences, but might explain the 6:55/8:00 time problem.

I'm not trying to say that there isn't something funny going on. Especially since there are at least two bodies being delivered. However, I also realize that people's emotions and excitement were running very high at the time, and sometime as simple as resetting a watch might be causing lots of confusion with us, now. Just trying to rule out simple human error so we can concentrate on the real issues.

One other thing, however. Early on, there were reports from Dallas about a Secret Service agent being killed. One station even said it was a "confirmed report". I've always dismissed this as confused reporting at the time, but now I'm wondering if that may have been the other casket?

JWK

hi william i really do not know, good question, i will ask d.l..he should be able to set me straight, i have enlarged it and i cannot, before nor now see the very top,but at the bottom it simply has a number, also will have a look at mfs it probably was found there or the history achive in the first place, i understand, human emotions especially under any type of a sudden death situation,one can become completely at a loss or even recall for some time after, and those involved do go about their duties as robots, but not functioning on all levels consciously, but doing what needs to be on a form of automatic drive,that sets in, the subconscious takes over,...the ss death report was also in the newspapers as well as telly and radio, before it was found to be incorrect but there are still some and articles out there as well as research that still put it forth, it is after all in the end up to the individual what they believe , question and discard...here below i enlarged it for you, it may help in seeing a closer look, thanks take care b..ps here also is the bill for the coffin...fyi..

Thanks Bernice,

I've seen the O'Neil bill for the bronze casket before, and that is from Dallas. The second document appears to be from the Washington funeral home detailing their items. It was also filled out afterward, as it mentions that the vault was delivered to Arlington.

From what I gather from the document, the funeral home did the preparations at Bethesda, starting around 11pm. They removed the body from a metal shipping casket, but this was after the autopsy, which is why I'm figuring that it was a temporary container. It doesn't imply that he arrived at Bethesda in the shipping casket. The mahogany casket arrived at 2am and I'm assuming that he was placed into it at that time.

JWK

hi i have contacted d.l am hoping he can clarify for me, us. there are , were witnesses to the fact he arrived in the metal shipping casket, so i cannot see why it would mean he was simply placed in one temporarily,but i cannot say for sure either, hopefully david will make all crystal clear, then again what in this is, crystal clear except that a president was murdered at high noon, in a city within the country that had elected him, hopefully David can do so...i found this bit of info posted by don thomas, thank you , at one time re the dead ss agent, fwiw, the dpd was not clear either.and perhaps this is where the confusion about the ss agent all began, possible....for now...b

http://www.history-m...Vol23_0484a.htm

At approximately 2:37pm, Sergeant R.E. Dugger (18) radios in on Channel 2:

"I have Judge Johnston here with (illegible) Parkland. Was there just one (illegible) from the shooting from the Presid… party?"

The following exchange takes place:

Dispatcher (illegible) I had on it 18

Dispatcher: 18, There were some more injured, but I don't know who they were, or how severe.

Dugger: I didn't read you. You know anything about an injured Secret Service Agent?

Dispatcher: No, I do not. There were some more injured, but I don't know who they were.

Patrolman J.W. Brooks (174): One of the Secret Service men on the field – Elm and Houston; said that it came over his teletype that one of the Secret Service men had been killed.

Dispatcher: Well, 10-4. I don't have that information.

Dugger: I believe this is going to be incorrect. He's not at Parkland. Can you have someone canvas the major hospitals please?

Garbled

Patrolman L.H. Marshall (139): I have a man out here that doesn't know anything about that.

I believe that Patrolman Marshall was at Love Field.

And in her report of activities 11/22-11/24/63 SEPARATE from JFK and

Connally, found in 21H pp. 213-215, Nurse Bertha Lozano would write:

"A technician came to the desk and asked me to expect a private patient

who was bleeding…Blood technicians came to ask me who "Mr. X" was who did not

have an E.R. number. Hematology also came with the same problem and was told the

same thing."

also the older thread on the dead ss agent..where dons information was posted.

thanks for now b.

One more re-creation image.

I assume this guy is sighting in the snipers nest window.

thanks robin great clarity, these are from the fbi re-enactment may 64 are they not..? thanks take care..b

William; i think it may be a funeral home file t be filled out as towards the bottom it mentions coffin order..click it and it really enlarges,.i will try to find out positively...best b

William here isTom's written descriptions of the wounds he saw fwit..b

Thank you, Bernice. Am I wrong in assuming that the other document you have in the previous post is from the funeral home? Or is that a government document that the hospital uses for a death? That is what made me think that maybe the President's body was placed in the shipping casket after the autopsy, then removed from it by the funeral home personnel for the preparation work.

I find it interesting that Mr. Robinson stated he "thinks skull full of plaster of paris". I'm assuming that he means that he didn't do it himself. I wonder who did?

As for the time discrepancies, my statements wouldn't explain the 6:35/6:55 differences, but might explain the 6:55/8:00 time problem.

I'm not trying to say that there isn't something funny going on. Especially since there are at least two bodies being delivered. However, I also realize that people's emotions and excitement were running very high at the time, and sometime as simple as resetting a watch might be causing lots of confusion with us, now. Just trying to rule out simple human error so we can concentrate on the real issues.

One other thing, however. Early on, there were reports from Dallas about a Secret Service agent being killed. One station even said it was a "confirmed report". I've always dismissed this as confused reporting at the time, but now I'm wondering if that may have been the other casket?

JWK

hi william i really do not know good question, i will ask d.l..he should be able to set me straight, i have enlarged it and i cannot, before see the very top,but at the bottom it simply has a number, also will have a look at mfs it probably was found there or the history achive in the first place, i understand, human emotions especially under any type of a sudden death situation,one can become completely at a loss of even recall for some time after, and those involved do go about their duties as robots, but not funtioning on all levels consciously, but doing what needs to be on a form of automatic drive,that sets in, the subconscious takes over,...the ss death report was also in the newspapers as well as telly and radio, before it was found to be incorrect but there are still some and articles out there as well as research that still put it forth, it is after all in the end up to the individual what they believe , question and discard...here below i enlarged it for you, it may help in seeing a closer look, thanks take care b..ps here also is the bill for the coffin...fyi..

here is the coffin deep sixed information..info...http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/msg14235.html

Sat, 29 May 1999 02:26:08 -0700 -Caveat Lector-JFK's Casket Was Dropped in OceanBy KAREN GULLO.c The Associated PressWASHINGTON (AP) -- A bronze casket used to carry President Kennedy's bodyfrom Dallas to Washington is in a watery grave -- 9,000 feet down in theAtlantic Ocean, according to assassination documents.Materials to be released Tuesday at the National Archives will show that inearly 1965 the casket was dropped from a military plane into an area whereunstable and outdated weapons and ammunition are dumped, Kermit Hall, amember of the now-defunct Assassination Records Review Board, told TheAssociated Press.``The documents that will be released show it was dropped off theMaryland-Delaware border in 9,000 feet of water,'' Hall said Friday night.``There's actually a map in the documents that pinpoints the coordinateswhere it was dropped.''The revelation -- on the eve of what would have been President Kennedy's 82ndbirthday today -- that the casket was sunk resolves a lingering mystery aboutits whereabouts. But it also fuels speculation among assassinationresearchers that it was discarded to hide foul play.``The coffin is evidence just like the body is evidence,'' said David Lifton,who wrote a book about medical evidence in the Nov. 22, 1963, assassination.``You don't destroy evidence.''What happened to the bronze casket has been a lingering question over thepast three decades. Last year a document released by the archives showed thata General Services Administration truck picked up the coffin on March 19,1964.In its effort to ferret assassination-related documents and information fromvarious government agencies, the review panel asked the GSA where the casketwas. The agency said in the summer of 1998 that it didn't know.The documents from GSA and the Justice and Defense departments being releasednext week, however, describe the disposition in detail, Hall said.``Essentially what was going on was an effort to make sure the casket didn'tturn into a historic relic for the marketplace,'' he said.Kennedy was buried at Arlington National Cemetery in a mahogany coffin thathad been purchased in Washington to replace the bronze one, which was missinga handle and had been damaged.In September 1965, former Texas Rep. Earle Cabell wrote to then-AttorneyGeneral Nicholas Katzenbach recommending that the bronze casket be discardedso it could never become a relic.``It is an extremely handsome, expensive, all-bronze, silk-lined casket, andfortunately, and properly, was paid for by the General ServicesAdministration, and presently is in the possession of GSA,'' Cabell wrote.``This item has ... value for the morbidly curious. And I believe that I amcorrect in stating that this morbid curiosity is that which we all seek tostop.''Katzenbach said in an interview Friday that he doesn't recall details aboutthe disposition of the casket. If anyone had asked him if it should bedisposed of, ``I'd have said that's a good idea,'' he said.Lifton thinks there might have been a darker motive.In conducting his research, Lifton talked with witnesses who said Kennedy'sbody arrived at Bethesda Naval Hospital in a gray metal shipping casket, notthe bronze one obtained in Dallas. That the bronze casket was dumped in theocean -- after the Warren Commission issued its report in 1964 -- makes himwonder what clues it might have yielded to investigators.``If it had been an ongoing murder investigation, this would be obstructionof justice,'' Lifton said.Douglas Horne, who was the chief analyst for military records at thecongressionally created review board, speculated that the bronze casket wasdestroyed to end the two-coffin controversy.``I think the way to get rid of the problem is you get rid of the casket. Youthrow it out of an airplane,'' said Horne.DECLARATION & DISCLAIMER==========CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandicscreeds are not allowed. Substance—not soapboxing! These are sordid mattersand 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outrightfrauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effectsspread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers;be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial andnazi's need not apply.Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector.========================================================================Archives Available at:http://home.ease.lso...hives/CTRL.htmlhttp:/========================================================================To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:]

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Coffin used to transport Kennedy's body sunk at sea

June 1, 1999

Web posted at: 5:33 p.m. EDT (2133 GMT)

:blink:note one says 1965 the next 1966 ... :blink:

WASHINGTON (AllPolitics, June 1) -- At the Kennedy family's insistence, the polished bronze casket used to carry President John F. Kennedy's body from Dallas to Washington was dumped into the ocean in 1966, according to newly released documents from the National Archives.

Its whereabouts had long been a mystery and questions lingered about the casket after Kennedy's burial at Arlington National Cemetery in a mahogany coffin following his assassination in Dallas on November 22, 1963.

"I think it belongs to the family and we can get rid of it any way we want to," Robert Kennedy, the president's brother and the former attorney general, told Lawson Knott, the administrator of the General Services Administration, according to a memo recounting their February 1966 telephone conversation.

"What I would like to have done is take it to sea," Kennedy told Knott. "I don't think anybody will be upset about the fact that we disposed of it."

There were concerns that the casket was government property since the government purchased it from Dallas undertaker Vernon Oneal. The casket, lined with brushed satin, was replaced because it was damaged. It was also unclear whether it was covered by a law that made certain items of evidence related to the Kennedy assassination government property.

Researchers of President Kennedy's assassination consider the coffin evidence that should not have been destroyed, including author David Lifton.

"We are dealing with evidence," said Lifton, whose 1981 book detailed medical evidence in the Kennedy assassination.

Kennedy family spokeswoman Melody Miller said Tuesday that destroying the casket was appropriate and "in keeping with the tradition of President Kennedy's naval service and his love of the sea."

The new documents show that the casket was stored in the basement of the National Archives building in downtown Washington in February 1966 when Robert Kennedy, then a U.S. senator from New York, called the GSA, which oversees government property, and asked for it to be released to the military for destruction.

Knott told Kennedy that destroying the coffin might "raise loads of questions" in light of an upcoming book about the assassination and said the Justice Department would have to authorize release of the casket. Kennedy served as attorney general before he entered the Senate in 1965.

Kennedy said he would contact his successor as attorney general, Nicholas Katzenbach. Eight days later, Katzenbach wrote in a February 11, 1966 letter to Knott that he felt it was necessary to dispose of the coffin.

"I am unable to conceive of any manner in which the casket could have an evidentiary value, nor can I conceive of any reason why the national interest would require its preservation," Katzenbach wrote. "It is obvious that it could never be used for burial purposes and its public display would be extremely offensive and contrary to public policy."

"As long as the casket remains ... there is always the possibility that it could be misused or misappropriated," he added.

Documents show that Oneal, the Dallas undertaker, wanted to get the casket back and display it in his funeral home.

On February 18, 1966, an Air Force van picked up the casket at the National Archives building in downtown Washington and took it to Andrews Air Force Base.

The casket was loaded with three 80-pound bags of sand. Numerous holes were drilled in both the casket and the pine box it was encased in "to ensure that no air pockets would develop," according to a memo written by John Steadman, special assistant in the office of the Secretary of Defense.

Both casket and pine box bound with metal banding tape and the whole apparatus was rigged with parachutes to break the impact of hitting the water.The Defense Department had sought the advice of a submarine officer with special training in hydraulics to devise a way to airdrop the coffin at sea, according to the documents.

At 8:38 a.m., a C-130 airplane carrying the casket took off from the Air Force base and flew off the Maryland-Delaware coast. The plane descended to 500 feet and at 10 a.m., the 660-pound load was pushed out of the plane's opened tail hatch.

"The parachutes opened shortly before impact and the entire rigged load remained intact and sank sharply, clearly and immediately after the soft impact," Steadman wrote in a February 25, 1966 file memo.

"The aircraft circled the drop point for some 20 minutes at 500 feet to ensure that nothing returned to the surface," wrote Steadman, who was on the plane.

The drop point -- in 9,000 feet of water beyond the continental shelf -- was chosen because it was away from regularly traveled air and shipping lines and would not be disturbed by trawling and other sea-bottom activities, the documents said.

The document released were from the National Archives and Record Administration's records of documents relating to Kennedy. Congress passed a law in 1992 requiring that all assassination-related material be housed in a single collection at the National Archives with the intent of opening most of the records for research..

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