Bernice Moore

:oRowley on ss drinking w/c..b

I will wager that Rybka was not getting bombed at Kirkwood's the night before until three am.

Nor did he contribute to the fund to pay the local firemen to take the partygoers' place at the hotel.

Still waiting for your comments on that one Davey.

I mean the next day was just an average one anyway right? Why not tie one on, eh?

Jim also; ''One thing that does sort of jump out of the SS report on the drinking is that the one group of agents not participating were Johnson's detail, headed by Youngblood.'' b

''The "all windows closed" junk is nonsense too. Just look at how many times THAT (supposed) rule was broken during JFK's administration--on every motorcade I've ever seen in pictures -- including that Hawaii picture, plus Ireland, plus Florida, etc.

That's just one more example of the Dallas parade being no different whatsoever from other motorcades.

And the "press buses were in the back" is another silly one, particularly when we know that a network TV cameraman (Dave Wiegman) DID film the scene of the murder before Kennedy's car even cleared the Underpass. SS-100-X is even visible in Wiegman's film! And Mal Couch filmed the scene too. So it's not like there were no cameras rolling on Elm Street. There were.

quote; ''Bottom Line -- Even with tighter SS security on Elm Street, nobody could have prevented Lee Harvey Oswald from shooting JFK -- unless Clint Hill and John Ready had decided to become a human shield and hover over Kennedy's body during those eight seconds in Dealey''.

That was Kellerman's job at the first sign of trouble, which he did not do, as it was driver's Greer's job to immediately take precautionary diversionary tactics in his driving which he did not fulfill either..ps...within vinces's work is the information that rybka was a young ss agent, who had just returned from ss retraining...and it was he that was appointed to be jfk's shadow that day in the motorcade.,,in otherwards he was young, sharp, and just completed a retraining course, of course they left the best behind..but they made sure they took the hungovers along......b

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thankyou Pat for the information, it appears that mike has had a problem with telling stories for some time, i thought the same, wouldn't it have been grand if say vince had been sitting in that audience,but it appears they were all go alongs, interesting that both mike howard and charlie kunkel both ssa had been assigned to the dallas ss office kunkel had been transferred there in june, and it appears that they are somehow involved in the other paper bag package, information, see paul rigby's post chapter 7 ,from the book ''murder from within.'' and that in one story kunkel is in washington at the time of the assassination,i believe that is also from mike at that time, but there he was with the other package in dallas...thanks b

robin it looks like an old charter bourbon...:unsure:ad b

http://www.missionliquors.com/bourbon/old-charter.html

as far as rambling rather, he was shot down some years back, but a couple of years ago on Lancer some fellas went after his information, and proved he was never there,beyond a doubt, you would have to do a search it should still be on the site, it was a real eye opener...he lied again....b

antti i just added a link post to the thread and had no problem,it worked but then it has been at times, thanks b

Testing to see if posting here works.

here is a report on a mike howard talk, have a good read at this crap that is now being included b

http://www.ntxe-news.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=34&num=56336&printer=1:blink:

Posting here seems to work:

http://educationforu...pic=16835&st=20

I see that you have 2 posts on page 2. Is something still missing? I don't know what else I could do from my end to facilitate?

Antti

HI Antti; thanks for responding, the posting appears to work sometimes, i thought as i mentioned it was my crap lap, but when Doug Weldon said he was having the same problem i fet it needed to be reported, as you can see the post and photo on last Tues that was made is missing but you can see in my services in attachments where it still is the photo, of when that post was made, i think around 10.30 pm or so...

perhaps the gremlin has moved along or whatever the glitch was.thanks again, take care...b

http://www.ntxe-news.com/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi?archive=34&num=56336&printer=1

READ THIS CRAP; THEY MUST BE HARD UP TO BEGIN ADDING SUCH BALONEY...OR CONCERNED...

Here is a typical TV interview from the promotional tour for this book. Notice how the really STUPID things are said by the hosts--filling in the blanks that this is an anti-conspiracy book--and telling outright lies about the difficulty of the shooting. They just can't wait to "teach" their audience the 'official" dogma, and completely IGNORE Blaine and Hell's refutation of the most cherished chapter of this dogma: the single-bullet theory.

Blaine and Hill on Morning Joe

Evidently this is not to be discussed. While touching on the "grassy knoll" and the "magic bullet", the co-host who'd supposedly read the book (who is this guy anyway?)immediately jumps over the fact Blaine and Hill dismiss the SBT to ask Blaine about the grassy knoll, and Blaine uses (of ALL the people in the world!!!!) Gary Mack to suggest the belief there was a shooter on the knoll is nonsense. Truly amazing.

I don't think the TV hosts or anyone who has interviewed these guys has read the book, or even knows what is in there.

BK

The guy on Morning Joe who asked Blaine and Hill the questions claimed he'd read the book the day before. He also claimed the shots in Dealey Plaza were easy. He clearly read the book and rejoiced in its attacks on conspiracy theorists, while failing to note that the most important point in the book is that Clint Hill--the closest surviving Federal employee to the shooting, and a HERO to the vast majority of lone nutters--dismisses the single-bullet theory.

Here is a clip of Hill on Fox in which he makes his dismissal of the theory crystal clear.

Hill dismissing the single-bullet theory on Fox news.

Notice how the host is stupefied and has no follow-up question, such as "SO...you believe the single-bullet theory is nonsense?"

:oit's still the old ''there was nothing we could have done, we didn't know''' still the big lie...

when will Vince be invited on the coffee break to reply... :D i think they all needed something in their coffee, or perhaps someone had doused it, whatever they all appeared to have suffered from the identical memory loss. their grey cells appear to be very muddled.;)thanks b

Balma's Pieta is one of the great modern pictures.

I'm fond of this illustration, which I snagged from somebody's blog, who nicked it from...

It has that modern US postage-stamp look. Is it a stamp proof? Or just commenting on the genre?

nice one david and it does have that appearance, here are some stamps..of jfk...issued in 98..

the other below is of the statue at the entrance of the museum in hyannis port.which is very different...but fits imo...

thanks b..

i left a post for a mod, whomever a couple of days ago within that thread i had posted a reply and a photo, which is now totally gone, you can see in my services in attachments when that post and photo were put up on tues evening,it is there, but not in the thread, i had also mentioned in one of them replying hitting post and nothing showing, i felt it was perhaps my pc or something on my end, but this evening doug weldon was in touch and he has been trying to post replies also in that thread and his are not showing, either plus it just happened again i replied under cliffslast post letting you know the latest from Doug and nothing showed i tried twice, i thought i had better draw attention to this problem, thanks much b

Edited.

hi robin, i have this photo of bill shelley taken from a book if i recall, he attended dog shows, i have never read of him being portly, ..in fact those that have done research within the photos taken of the front of the tsbd showing the people out there, and naming them, where they have placed him shows a smallish man, he also stated he and whomever i do not recall now ,was it didn't he say they had gone down to the sidewalk divider in front and stood there to see them go by or perhaps that was after not sure, i will have to reread his testimony, ...fwiw.b

The day after an election in which he bested Nixon by a miniscule 113,000 votes out of more than 68 million ballots cast, president-elect Kennedy gave a brief victory speech at the Hyannis Armory. "The election," he said, "may have been a close one, but I think that there is general agreement by all of our citizens that a supreme national effort will be needed in the years ahead to move this country safely through the 1960s. I ask your help in this effort and I can assure you that every degree of mind and spirit that I possess will be devoted to the long-range interests of the United States and to the cause of freedom around the world. Now my wife and I prepare for a new administration and for a new baby." Above: Jackie and John Kennedy, with his mother Rose (left) and his sister Eunice Shriver, at the Hyannis Armory, Nov. 9, 1960. http://www.life.com/...id=weeklytopten

The day after an election in which he bested Nixon by a miniscule 113,000 votes out of more than 68 million ballots cast, president-elect Kennedy gave a brief victory speech at the Hyannis Armory. "The election," he said, "may have been a close one, but I think that there is general agreement by all of our citizens that a supreme national effort will be needed in the years ahead to move this country safely through the 1960s. I ask your help in this effort and I can assure you that every degree of mind and spirit that I possess will be devoted to the long-range interests of the United States and to the cause of freedom around the world. Now my wife and I prepare for a new administration and for a new baby." Above: Jackie and John Kennedy, with his mother Rose (left) and his sister Eunice Shriver, at the Hyannis Armory, Nov. 9, 1960. http://www.life.com/image/first/in-gallery/51881/jfk-unpublished-never-seen-photos?xid=weeklytopten

thank you david for your photos and videos, some information, i notice you have mark balmas painting '' pieta'' (an art term designating the representation of Mary mourning over the body of Christ )...

of the scene at parklands entrance in your photo section, just thought i would pass along who created that work, also here is a bit of further info...b. http://minnesota.pub...11/15/jfkpieta/

I wonder if [blaine] ever found out. . . whether it was true, as it was investigated, that a TV at the IBM office in Dallas showed a film or video of the assassination shortly after it occurred?

Bill,

Are you sure this happened in Dallas? It sounds just like an incident that took place in or around Detroit.

Ken

Hi Ken,

I don't have the document or its number handy, but I remember reading an investigative report - probably FBI where the agent goes to the IBM office in Dallas to check a report that the assassination was seen on a TV there on the afternoon of the assassination.

I'd like to know exactly where the Dallas IBM office was and its distance from the shoe store.

I'm not familiar with a Detroit incident.

I did check out the history of video though, and IBM did have some early experiments with it and there's that guy who testified before the ARRB that an Army video unit was in Dallas that day with a number of trucks.

Of course you would think Blaine, being an ex-SS guy in top echelon IBM for so long would have checked out the two IBM guys at the shoe store and would have known about the investigation into the video of the assassination, but he doesn't mention either, and probably wasn't interested.

BK

Bill,

Please check out this forum thread (post #177) from over two years ago:

http://educationforu...ic=12216&st=165

You brought up the same incident back then. You also mentioned the Golden Twenties Tavern and a tavern patron/IBM salesman named Jim Connors. Connors claimed to have seen an assassination film on television at the local IBM offices, probably sometime between 2:30 and 4:00 Dallas time. For some reason you thought this all took place in Dallas. In early 2008, Jerry Dealey tried to locate a Golden Twenties Tavern in Dallas for an "assassination researcher" with no apparent success. I don't know if you were that reseacher. But it wasn't Dallas. It was Detroit as you can see in the FBI memorandum below.

Ken

Thanks for keeping track of this Ken,

BK

moderators, i am signed in not on moderation, and have replied twice now in this thread and neither is showing what is going on...????? also here is the info from my attachments from tues evening when i also posted the info from page 27 of this new book, which is missing the post and the photo as well, help...;;;; thanks, anyone ?????? b

New book will posit Oswald acted alone AND JFK had it coming

Nov 09 2010 10:26 PM

Vince:

The book has Donald Lawton being waved off at Love Field, not Henry Rybka. Which is correct? Many thanks.

Doug Weldon

Hi Doug,I'll save Vince here, for a bit.. both stayed behind at Love see Emory Roberts statement... http://www.jfk-onlin.../emroberts.html

BTW ; I made a reply post in this thread a couple of days ago, re the ss distances held between cars quoted from page 27 of the book, i have looked and cannot find it within this thread i shall look once more, but..mod the reply i posted is gone....?? thanks b

Great article, Bernice. Thanks for posting it!

JFK's Journey on Bundy Footprints

http://www.historica...ndy-footprints/The relatively brief journey of the Kennedy presidency can be better understood by a careful analysis of Bundy's footprints. Of course the path may lead to Allen Dulles, the first director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

In the spirit of evidence based history, we should all thank Dulles, who left copious handwritten notes titled "Confessions" made public by historian Lucien S. Vandenbroucke (1). The Dulles strategy was plain to dictate foreign policy independent of the White House. A U.S. president could distinguish himself only by letting the American public think he was in support of Dulles. Before Kennedy, Dwight Eisenhower did yield to Dulles, although he bitterly protested with his farewell speech, "The dangers to American democracy by the military industrial complex.(2) A few year later, and soon after Kennedy's death, Harry Truman would voice similar concerns about secret allegiances threatening our democracy (3).

One gift of immense importance is rumored to be Dulles' ability to dictate strategic decisions unacceptable to the executive powers he was attempting to influence through indirect means; thereby, his target, boss, foe, enemy or friend would end up doing precisely what Dulles had wished him to do through complicit, often well-coordinated, chess-like moves forcing his adversary to eventually practice the Dulles foreign policy. Or Dulles' adversary would be neutralized or destroyed.

A good example of Dulles' destructive power was evident in the Bay of Pigs disaster.

James W. Douglass, the author of "JFK and the Unspeakable," writes: "Four decades after the Bay of Pigs, we have learned that the CIA scenario to trap Kennedy was more concrete than Dulles admitted in his handwritten notes. A conference on the Bay of Pigs was held March 23-25, 2001, which included ex-CIA operatives, retired military commanders, scholars and journalists. News analyst Daniel Schorr reported on National Public Radio that, "from the many hours of talk and heaps of declassified secret documents" he had gained one new perception of the Bay of Pigs:

"It was that the CIA overlords of the invasion, Director Allen Dulles and Deputy Richard Bissell, had their own plan on how to bring the United States into the conflict. It appears that they never really expected an uprising against Castro when the liberators landed as described in their memos to the White House. What they did expect was that the invaders would establish and secure a beachhead, announce the creation of a counter-revolutionary government and appeal for aid from the United States and the Organization of American States. The assumption was that President Kennedy, who had emphatically banned direct American involvement, would be forced by public opinion to come to the aid of the returning patriots. American forces, probably Marines, would come in to expand the beachhead. In fact, President Kennedy was the target of a CIA covert operation that collapsed when the invasion collapsed."

Even if President Kennedy had said "no" at the eleventh hour, the whole Bay of Pigs idea, the CIA, as it turned out, had a plan to supersede his decision.

Another well-documented aspect of the Bay of Pigs was, of course, General Maxwell Taylor's conclusion of the military operation. General Taylor, who chaired the Cuban Study Group to investigate the invasion, concluded: McGeorge Bundy's order to reverse President Kennedy's air strike was the single most important cause of the operation's failure. We know, by now, that Bundy then offered his resignation and the President declined, instead firing Allen Dulles as the director of the CIA.

Dulles' influence in international politics did not end after the Bay of Pigs. In retrospect, it is understandable that Dulles' membership on the Warren Commission was not by chance. It is equally unlikely that two Dulles pupils (the Bundy brothers) took the top jobs as National Security Advisor to the President and Undersecretary of Defense at the Kennedy White House. Both had established public service for the CIA. The incestuous connection among secret powers at times seems transparent. A good example is the McCarthy-Dulles communication regarding the Senator's demands for Dulles to fire William Bundy. The Senator claimed Bundy was a communist sympathizer. Dulles did not yield and Bundy kept his job.

The bloody events of the summer and fall of 1963 dating back to the infamous August 24 cable, to the Diem assassination and the coup d'état in South Vietnam witnessed the complicit sabotage of Kennedy's Southeast Asia policy by McGeorge Bundy and his two top aides, Michael Forrestal and Roger Hilsman. In the absence of Bundy, Forrestal and Hilsman had sent an unauthorized cable to instruct Ambassador Lodge to go ahead with a coup d'état in Vietnam. Other mishaps and conduct consistent with treason, such as a handwritten note by Hilsman suggesting open defiance of presidential orders, are all part of the bigger picture of a Bundy-led slow dismantling of the Kennedy White House. Some of these details have already been published in other articles and are beyond the scope of this article. However, in retrospect, all the secret and complicit battles lead to a major question. Did President Kennedy know of the Bundy brothers' allegiance to Dulles? Did he know of their loyalty to Dulles as he was trying dismantle the CIA after the Bay of Pigs? The brothers, of course, were to become the architects of the Vietnam War with a stronger and more formidable CIA.

Regardless of the answers, a common sense approach for democracy seems logical. Anyone working for the President and the White House or the U.S. government must disclose all his secret or not-to-secret affiliations, allegiances and obligations. Full disclosure of all past and present ties, including memberships of secret societies. History says the Bundy brothers and Dulles were all members of Yale's Skull and Bones.

A new paradigm for individual and institutional integrity must include total and unconditional disclosure of all allegiances and affiliations. No excuses, no exceptions.

Practical measures washing hands, boiling water may prevent catastrophic infections and save lives. Similar methods may enable us to enjoy democratic leadership in the White House without ordinary minds practicing simple crimes to silence democracy. The Bundy brothers help us understand how easy it is to harm and mislead billions for decades with infinite malignancy and yet appear so civil and sterile at the same time. For this, we must also thank them for their contributions to progress on Earth.

References

1. Douglass, J., JFK and the Unspeakable. Orbis, 2008.

2. Eisenhower, D., Farewell Address. January 17, 1961.

3. Filler, L., Editor, The President Speaks: From William McKinley to Lyndon B. Johnson. New York, Capricorn Press, 1965. Pp. 363-368.

4. Truman, H., A Threat to Democracy. Washington Post, December 22, 1963

Your welcome Greg, i found it so and was hoping others may as well,...take care...b

JFK's Journey on Bundy Footprints

http://www.historica...ndy-footprints/The relatively brief journey of the Kennedy presidency can be better understood by a careful analysis of Bundy's footprints. Of course the path may lead to Allen Dulles, the first director of the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA).

In the spirit of evidence based history, we should all thank Dulles, who left copious handwritten notes titled "Confessions" made public by historian Lucien S. Vandenbroucke (1). The Dulles strategy was plain to dictate foreign policy independent of the White House. A U.S. president could distinguish himself only by letting the American public think he was in support of Dulles. Before Kennedy, Dwight Eisenhower did yield to Dulles, although he bitterly protested with his farewell speech, "The dangers to American democracy by the military industrial complex.(2) A few year later, and soon after Kennedy's death, Harry Truman would voice similar concerns about secret allegiances threatening our democracy (3).

One gift of immense importance is rumored to be Dulles' ability to dictate strategic decisions unacceptable to the executive powers he was attempting to influence through indirect means; thereby, his target, boss, foe, enemy or friend would end up doing precisely what Dulles had wished him to do through complicit, often well-coordinated, chess-like moves forcing his adversary to eventually practice the Dulles foreign policy. Or Dulles' adversary would be neutralized or destroyed.

A good example of Dulles' destructive power was evident in the Bay of Pigs disaster.

James W. Douglass, the author of "JFK and the Unspeakable," writes: "Four decades after the Bay of Pigs, we have learned that the CIA scenario to trap Kennedy was more concrete than Dulles admitted in his handwritten notes. A conference on the Bay of Pigs was held March 23-25, 2001, which included ex-CIA operatives, retired military commanders, scholars and journalists. News analyst Daniel Schorr reported on National Public Radio that, "from the many hours of talk and heaps of declassified secret documents" he had gained one new perception of the Bay of Pigs:

"It was that the CIA overlords of the invasion, Director Allen Dulles and Deputy Richard Bissell, had their own plan on how to bring the United States into the conflict. It appears that they never really expected an uprising against Castro when the liberators landed as described in their memos to the White House. What they did expect was that the invaders would establish and secure a beachhead, announce the creation of a counter-revolutionary government and appeal for aid from the United States and the Organization of American States. The assumption was that President Kennedy, who had emphatically banned direct American involvement, would be forced by public opinion to come to the aid of the returning patriots. American forces, probably Marines, would come in to expand the beachhead. In fact, President Kennedy was the target of a CIA covert operation that collapsed when the invasion collapsed."

Even if President Kennedy had said "no" at the eleventh hour, the whole Bay of Pigs idea, the CIA, as it turned out, had a plan to supersede his decision.

Another well-documented aspect of the Bay of Pigs was, of course, General Maxwell Taylor's conclusion of the military operation. General Taylor, who chaired the Cuban Study Group to investigate the invasion, concluded: McGeorge Bundy's order to reverse President Kennedy's air strike was the single most important cause of the operation's failure. We know, by now, that Bundy then offered his resignation and the President declined, instead firing Allen Dulles as the director of the CIA.

Dulles' influence in international politics did not end after the Bay of Pigs. In retrospect, it is understandable that Dulles' membership on the Warren Commission was not by chance. It is equally unlikely that two Dulles pupils (the Bundy brothers) took the top jobs as National Security Advisor to the President and Undersecretary of Defense at the Kennedy White House. Both had established public service for the CIA. The incestuous connection among secret powers at times seems transparent. A good example is the McCarthy-Dulles communication regarding the Senator's demands for Dulles to fire William Bundy. The Senator claimed Bundy was a communist sympathizer. Dulles did not yield and Bundy kept his job.

The bloody events of the summer and fall of 1963 dating back to the infamous August 24 cable, to the Diem assassination and the coup d'état in South Vietnam witnessed the complicit sabotage of Kennedy's Southeast Asia policy by McGeorge Bundy and his two top aides, Michael Forrestal and Roger Hilsman. In the absence of Bundy, Forrestal and Hilsman had sent an unauthorized cable to instruct Ambassador Lodge to go ahead with a coup d'état in Vietnam. Other mishaps and conduct consistent with treason, such as a handwritten note by Hilsman suggesting open defiance of presidential orders, are all part of the bigger picture of a Bundy-led slow dismantling of the Kennedy White House. Some of these details have already been published in other articles and are beyond the scope of this article. However, in retrospect, all the secret and complicit battles lead to a major question. Did President Kennedy know of the Bundy brothers' allegiance to Dulles? Did he know of their loyalty to Dulles as he was trying dismantle the CIA after the Bay of Pigs? The brothers, of course, were to become the architects of the Vietnam War with a stronger and more formidable CIA.

Regardless of the answers, a common sense approach for democracy seems logical. Anyone working for the President and the White House or the U.S. government must disclose all his secret or not-to-secret affiliations, allegiances and obligations. Full disclosure of all past and present ties, including memberships of secret societies. History says the Bundy brothers and Dulles were all members of Yale's Skull and Bones.

A new paradigm for individual and institutional integrity must include total and unconditional disclosure of all allegiances and affiliations. No excuses, no exceptions.

Practical measures – washing hands, boiling water – may prevent catastrophic infections and save lives. Similar methods may enable us to enjoy democratic leadership in the White House without ordinary minds practicing simple crimes to silence democracy. The Bundy brothers help us understand how easy it is to harm and mislead billions for decades with infinite malignancy and yet appear so civil and sterile at the same time. For this, we must also thank them for their contributions to progress on Earth.

References

1. Douglass, J., JFK and the Unspeakable. Orbis, 2008.

2. Eisenhower, D., Farewell Address. January 17, 1961.

3. Filler, L., Editor, The President Speaks: From William McKinley to Lyndon B. Johnson. New York, Capricorn Press, 1965. Pp. 363-368.

4. Truman, H., A Threat to Democracy. Washington Post, December 22, 1963

Quote;Pamela Brown, on 10 November 2010 - 05:30 PM, said:

You position yourself as a Ferrie expert, which raises the bar.

My conclusions are based on an unusually deep knowledge of David Ferrie; I began gathering information on Ferrie many years ago for my own knowledge base. This eventually led to obtaining virtually every available document about or related to Ferrie in government collections and from other sources, and to contacts with many people who knew Ferrie.

Mr. Roy: THank you for sharing this. Based on your studies of David Ferrie, have you reached a conclusion on whether he was involved in the assassination of JFK?

page 552;''Assassination America'' ;book two;''The Masques of New Orleans'' Quote; '' ''However, as David Blackhurst, who has investigated the aviator's career as much as this author and in whose research he has the greatest confidence. ''quote off..Paris Flammone.2006..b

I wonder if gary mack as a set at the sixth floor museum

Now why wouldn`t that surprise anyone..b..

THANKS BILL THE BOBBY BAKER LBJ ASPECT OF the research is as alwAYS VERY INTERESTING, oops caps...hopefully as you mention there may be a copy saved and tucked away, awaiting to be given into your hands...b

hi david;

i believe this is one frame from the film of lho possibly siteing ruby....b

Ah Yes, this is the PROOF I have been waiting for. Excuse me while I kiss the sky!

and did it smooch back....??? i always thought it not a smile but a more or less recognition look, but then i'm in the sky......lordy help us all...we sure all could use it... b

Thanks Bernice, i am trying to locate all 14 photographs Reed took, yes its been a while hope you are ok ?

Dave

your welcome Dave, yes time flies, i wish you luck in your endeavour to find them, that would be a plus, many are still not available or if they are, let's say, they are still being sat on by some..and not shared, but omg never hint at that some do get upset, i always wonder why though...have a goodun....b