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Bill; i have read of late that the Zapruder camera was a wind up one, if true, how could he possibly start and stop the film...any information will be appreciated anyone...thanks...b
The type of camera that Zapruder used has been on more threads than I can count and most of them you also was active. The camera had a start and stop switch. The camera was spring wound and could be stopped at any time before the wind tension ran out. The camera could also be wound tighter between pauses when filming sequences.
I had three such cameras and found their running time on a full winding to be between 60 to 65 seconds.
The Zapruder film has two start up frames during the parade. A start up frame is brighter than the frames that follow because the camera isn't up to running speed when it first starts, thus it has a longer exposure time. One such frame comes when the film starts with the lead cycles coming through the intersection and the other when the limo is actually coming down Elm Street. This leads me to believe that Zapruder probably became aware that he might run out the tension on his camera, so he simply stopped it momentarily and then started it again causing the other over exposed film frame.
Bill
thank you Snarky, you just have to don't you, not in your make-up to not to,,i forgot, omg,neener neener, i do not have the Gary on my right arm, attached so that all info is readily at hand, nor reminded if ,whether forgotten or not,and there are other things on hand on a daily basis that are much more important than the operation of the crappy zappy camera, well to some i suppose, it the zap info has never been the be all front and centre, as it appears with some, aw willie your day will come, and god help you when you forget anything, do you not realise now that some will be watching you for such, no, well gee perhaps you forgot...you only get what you give out in this world, and you still have not learnt, i guess you forgot...sheesh...have a good day snarky..sorry i asked you anything, i will not make that mistake in the future ....b
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Bill; i have read of late that the Zapruder camera was a wind up one, if true, how could he possibly start and stop the film...any information will be appreciated anyone...thanks...b
The type of camera that Zapruder used has been on more threads than I can count and most of them you also was active. The camera had a start and stop switch. The camera was spring wound and could be stopped at any time before the wind tension ran out. The camera could also be wound tighter between pauses when filming sequences.
I had three such cameras and found their running time on a full winding to be between 60 to 65 seconds.
The Zapruder film has two start up frames during the parade. A start up frame is brighter than the frames that follow because the camera isn't up to running speed when it first starts, thus it has a longer exposure time. One such frame comes when the film starts with the lead cycles coming through the intersection and the other when the limo is actually coming down Elm Street. This leads me to believe that Zapruder probably became aware that he might run out the tension on his camera, so he simply stopped it momentarily and then started it again causing the other over exposed film frame.
Bill
Overview
The Abraham Zapruder film is acknowledged to be the definitive view of the death of President Kennedy, for it is the only known movie showing the entire assassination sequence. Experts still debate over exactly what it does show and what is not clearly revealed. The film reel begins with family scenes of Zapruder’s grandchildren (not seen here), then shows his office assistant, Lillian Rogers, at her desk the morning of the assassination. After filming two of his coworkers in Dealey Plaza, Zapruder filmed the approaching motorcade from a pedestal above and to the right of the parade route. A U.S. Congressional committee confiscated the original film from the Zapruder family in 1997; after being compensated by the U.S. government, the family donated copies of the film and color transparencies of each frame, as well as the film’s copyright, to The Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza in 1999. (Note: two extremely short pre-assassination scenes, one in Zapruder’s office and one in Dealey Plaza, are not included here until film restoration work has been completed.)
Date
1963-11-22
Collection
Zapruder Collection
Object Number
1999.042
How much of the Film roll does this use up. ?
How much film on the roll was left unexposed. ?
Total running time of all "exposed film" taken on the roll ?
Stabilized GIF ( Credit: Rick Needham )Frames provided by Robin Unger.
thanks robin, for your kind reply, here is the other frame from zappy, of his grandson from the beginning of the film...b
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And Robert Harris has stated that I and other alterationists are crazy
How can you say we are crazy when you can see the limo turn taken out of the Z-film with your own eyes Robert?
How can you push crazy theories like a shot at Z285 yet call an alterationist like myself crazy?
Interesting remark ... start a thread on that one ... I'd like to hear why you say that.
Bill
What part?
Robert calling me crazy or the Limo turn being taken out?
I do not want to start another thread on Harris
We have debated the limo turn (It either being taken out or Zappy stopping and then starting filming again) in an older thread, I will try to find it and give it a bump
Bill; i have read of late that the Zapruder camera was a wind up one, if true, how could he possibly start and stop the film...any information will be appreciated anyone...thanks...b
Well, there was a stop/start button or trigger on these old cameras. They only ran when you wanted them to.
THANK YOU ROBERT FOR THE POLITE REPLY, B
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Thanks Robert and Jack
Dave
HI DAVID; LONG TIME; IS THIS PHOTO I FOUND POSSIBLY ONE OF THEM ?YOU SEEK...TAKE CARE B
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hi david;
i believe this is one frame from the film of lho possibly siteing ruby....b
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Sorry Bill no can do...b
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Hi Bill; imo I'ts another alibi another excuse, to blame the victim,many other excuses have been set forth and many more will follow, but one by one they are being found and disposed of,here is another disposed of, imo, on page 27 of the book, they are in New York for the evening, in the past in many threads there has been many a post made about how the SS Queen Mary could not manouveur quickly to help in anyway, as there was only 5 feet distance between her and the XP 100, and also that perhaps Greer was in shock , not trained. slow to react or whatever else could be used, to extricate him, but now, i quote Blaine, ''Art Godfrey in the lead car and ATSAIC Emory Roberts in the Secret Service follow-up car received the transmission, and the three cars began moving out at a uniform pace. The object was for the driver of the President's car to remain between five and ten feet behind the lead car --just close enough to impede another car from coming between them, but far enough away if he needed to make a fast break. he could step on the gas and swerve left or right .The Secret Service follow up car was to remain a consistant five feet behind the President's car, no matter what, Maintaining this formation in traffic was sort of like flying a Blue Angels maneuver.''.end quote; .WHICH MEANS To ME THAT BLAINE'S INFORMATION IS STATING THAT GREER AS WELL AS ALL DRIVERS OF THE 100 WAS TRAINED TO PULL OUT IMMEDIATELY AT THE FIRST SIGN OF TROUBLE,THOUGH NOT FROM ANOTHER CAR THIS TIME IN DALLAS, BUT FROM RIFLE FIRE, BUT DID NOT, but imo the first time it has been admitted...in a book.. yes it is the why i buy these books, to look for the truth that contradicts whomever's previous alibis and excuses, and finally admits, what was really known all along.thanks b
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And Robert Harris has stated that I and other alterationists are crazy
How can you say we are crazy when you can see the limo turn taken out of the Z-film with your own eyes Robert?
How can you push crazy theories like a shot at Z285 yet call an alterationist like myself crazy?
Interesting remark ... start a thread on that one ... I'd like to hear why you say that.
Bill
What part?
Robert calling me crazy or the Limo turn being taken out?
I do not want to start another thread on Harris
We have debated the limo turn (It either being taken out or Zappy stopping and then starting filming again) in an older thread, I will try to find it and give it a bump
Bill; i have read of late that the Zapruder camera was a wind up one, if true, how could he possibly start and stop the film...any information will be appreciated anyone...thanks...b
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I went over my transcript and compared it to the audio tape that Rex has posted at Mary Ferrell and I was missing the entire Reel 2, Side 1 Tape, which I have now trancribed and added to the transcript, along with an updated list of call signs and their designations.
I also broke the conversations into Patchs and numbered them so they can be discussed, if anyone so desires.
I also reconfigured the transcript to the way it is listed here
as Reel 1, Sides 1 & 2 and Reel 2, Sides 1 and 2
so you can listen in and follow along with the transcript.
http://www.maryferre...p/Audio_-_Other
Transcript:
This is an interesting part of the Coup D Etat and show "mens rea" among other things.
Bill.....Regarding original post # 6 in this thread.....
Has anyone ever noticed, or checked out?
CROSS, JIM (MRS.)
Sources: CD 7 (128-29) on maryferrell.org pages 129 and 128 are reversed so the continuity of the page is detroyed, page 129 will show as two pages later.
On November 29, 1963, Mrs. Jim Cross, Apartment 16, Burdick Apartments, 3519 Fairmount Avenue, advised she has lived here for eight months,
during which time she has heard rumors from other tenants that Oswald lived in one of their apartments for a short time approximately one year ago.
She stated that all tenants except Paul Lawther have moved into their apartments since October of 1962. She advised she does not recognize the pictures
of Lee Harvey Oswald and Jack Ruby that were displayed to her.
http://www.maryferre...8&relPageId=135
BTW That is Dallas, Texas.
That's interesting Robert,
Jim Cross, LBJ's pilot was from Gatesville - I guess that's in Texas.
And since Mrs. Cross' real name wasn't Jim, I take it that was her husband's name.
Though they are probably different people and not related, I wonder if they bothered to check out the rumor that Oswald lived at the Burdick Apts. 3519 Fairmount Ave.,
in Oct. 1962, which just happens to be the time when Oswald was working at Jaggers/Chiles/Stoval six days a week, his wife was living with the White Russians (Taylor,
Hall, et al), and they never could figure out where Oswald was staying before he moved into the YMCA.
Who else lived in those apartments, and did Oswald have any contact with any of them?
That was probably a task for Gemberling.
BK
The only thing i can think of regarding where "Oswald was staying before he moved into the YMCA," is an article somewhere that references the Cozy-8 Apartments,
it's on maryferrell.org somewhere....
Regarding Information below it is a work in progress....
and still has some areas to sort through...
1964 Dallas Telphone Directory
Jas U Cross 1422 Adelaide FR 1-9843
Cross Roads Aviation Inc, FL 1-6738
2638 Myrtle Springs
In the Summer of 1959, Special Air Missions (SAM) accepted the delivery of three identical Boeing 707 (VC-137A) Intercontinental aircraft. Ike used these aircraft interchangeably while maintaining Columbine III as his presidential aircraft. In December 1959, Ike used the new VC-137A on his 11 nation tour to Europe and Russia but it was during the Presidential years of J.F.K. that presidential travel officially entered the jet age.
In 1962, SAM took delivery of a Boeing 707 (VC-137C), aircraft tail number 26000 piloted by Colonel Jim B. Swindal. It was delivered with a striking new exterior designed by Raymond Lowey. This new paint scheme captured a strong tasteful sense of national purpose and the American Presidency. In June 1963, Kennedy used this aircraft on his historic trip to West Berlin where U.S.-German relations were strengthened and strong support of German democracy was established.
During the Johnson years, SAM 26000 was piloted by J.B. Swindal, Jim U. Cross, and P.L. Thornhill.
http://www.orwelltod...otswindal.shtml
Robert
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Dean,
I know you are a staunch supporter of Judyth Baker and her story. And I am not out to pick a fight. But as I'm sure you are well aware by now, I don't believe her story is anything but fiction.
So therefor it would be interesting to know, having in mind what you are saying above, how you've reached your conclusion? In this thread alone - and especially in the "exile thread - many things have been pointed out as incorrect/changed or all together removed from her current version.
Does these changes mean anything to you when evaluating what she now says? You don't find these never ending changes to have at all a negative effect on JVBs credibility? Or, as another example, the way she told the "political asylum" story before I told the correct version does nothing to her credibility?
Or if you, for instance, would comment on the subjects Barb has shown in this thread I would appreciate it.
Thanks,
Glenn V.
Glenn,
I will take you at your word that you are not trying to pick a fight.
I have answered as to why I believe Judyth before, such as when I wrote my essay "Why I Believe Judyth Vary Baker" and my recent review of Me and Lee. Both of these writings and my thoughts on the debate on the Education Forum thread are here:
http://deanhartwell....%20baker/1.html
I acknowledge that many people have written on threads here and in other places reasons why they do not believe her. I do not feel the need to respond every time someone says something with which I disagree. None of the negative statements that I have read have convinced me that Judyth has deliberately misstated the truth as to her experiences.
If I thought she was lying, I would follow some other subject. I do not understand why you and others continue to call her work "fiction" and insinuate that she is lying. It seems that you have stated your case and I can respect though not agree with it.
Dean
Dean; May i ask you a question, please, How many years ago did you begin to follow Judyth's work on the web,,....thank you b.
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1,harry connick sr.on the left 2.below ..jim garrison...b
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Wiegman 35mm slide (Crop) Credit: John Woods
robin; in that one
wiegman frame charles hester still looks like a guy in a bear coat.
..thanks for the frames...best b -
Very nice summary, Martin.
Thank you Duncan
Thanks Martin / Chris
Very nice work as always.
Chris
In your Bronson GIF i noticed two things.
(1)- the Toni Foster "side step" as can be seen in the nix frames.
(2)- something happening in the East pergola area,just near the Hesters
looks like a man walking out of the left side of the pergola, possible Charles Hester on the move ?
Click on Attachment:
Thanks Robin,
I'm a little more interested in the red box and surrounding area.
That looks like the guy in Z.
Should we also see at least one of the three down closer to the street? Altgen's being one of them.
chris
P.S.
I believe Martin has it correct in that, it is a newspaper reflection, which is held by Beatrice Hester.
If that is the area you are describing.
Chris / Martin
What is see is a small BLACK shape appearing in frame 8
Click on thumbnail
hi robin; upper right hand corner square is that not the hesters getting up from their bench and beginning their run down the knoll......best b
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From: Lisa Pease [mailto:lpease@frontier.com]
Sent: Saturday, November 06, 2010 5:15 PM
To: 'Lisa Pease'
Subject: Looking for info on www.indiadaily.com
When I saw Michele Bachmann claiming that Obama’s trip to India was costing $200 million a day, that sounded inflated beyond any reality. (The White House won’t release the official numbers, but say this is way off the actual cost.) So I wondered, as did Anderson Cooper who asked, where she got her information. She cited an Indian news site, and I thought immediately, I’ll bet I know which one.
How could I possibly know which source in India she had used?
Because there’s a site called “India Daily” that seems to carry stories that might well be deliberate disinformation. I learned of this site while watching emails between people connected with the intelligence and military establishment fly by me in private correspondence over the last few years. More than once I’ve thought, this site can’t be ‘real.’
So when Bachmann’s story surfaced, I tracked down the early stories on the Web. Sure enough, it appears India Daily was the original source, and others picked it up from there.
India Daily is a strange site. There’s no way to submit articles. There’s no contact information. There’s a generic form to submit if you want to advertise on the site. (I wonder if anyone ever answers?) Given the strange nature of the articles that appeared there over time, in the back of my mind, I’ve always suspected that site was not run by anyone in India. While there appear to be stories about India, those were never the links and stories sent to me. I’m wishing now I had saved the links so you could see what I mean.
The site is a .com domain, which is also odd, because all countries have their own domain. Indian sites end with .in for India, just as UK sites end with .uk. Der Spiegel, the famous German magazine, is in the .de (Deutschland) domain.
In the wake of the Bachmann slur, I decided to put this to the test. I used a whois server to find out who owned the domain. It’s registered under GoDaddy.com, a US company headquartered in Arizona and indeed, the server is definitely located in Arizona.
Is IndiaDaily.com a CIA site? Who really runs this site?
I’m sharing this around in case others know more. I would NEVER cite anything published on this site as fact, from what I’ve seen of it. I’d not be impressed by others who did.
Who is behind this site? Who sent Bachmann a link to it? (I can hardly imagine her reading that site as part of her daily browsing.)
If someone sends YOU a link to India Daily, I’d love to know who that was. I’m very interested in who is behind this site. In the past, the CIA had to work hard to plant a story and hope it would blowback to the United States. Now, it might be as easy as posting to an Arizona server….
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Military historians will note that it is not an original Italian military issue intended for this rifle; in fact, it is the shoulder strap from a rare U.S. Air Force shoulder holster issued during the 1950's. These holsters were withdrawn from military use is (sic in) short order and sold as war surplus. Look in a copy of the Warren report or any of the numerous books about this event and you will see the same strap on Oswald's Manlicher-Carcano. More information about this strap is on page 297 in the book Kennedy and Lincoln by Dr. John K. Lattimer.
Mr. Eisenberg.
Now, I would like to draw your attention for a moment to this sling on Exhibit 139, and I would like to state for the record that this sling is not thought to be actually a rifle sling, but some type of homemade sling, that is, the firearms expert has so testified.
Does this sling appear in either Commission Exhibits 133A or 133B?
Mr. Shaneyfelt.
It is my opinion that it does not. Commission Exhibit 133A has such a small portion of the sling showing that it--you cannot establish that it is or is not the same sling that is presently on the, rifle.
However, Commission Exhibit 133B does show the sling, since it shows the bottom of the rifle, and I find it to be different from the sling that is presently on the rifle. It has the appearance of being a piece of rope that is tied at both ends, rather than a leather sling, and it is my opinion that it is a different sling than is presently on the rifle.
Mr. Eisenberg.
Just again a homemade simulated sling, is that it?
Mr. Shaneyfelt.
It has that appearance, yes.
Mr. Eisenberg.
You testified that you have a much smaller view of the sling, or what passes for a sling, on 133A than on 133B. Is the sling or simulated sling on 133A, that portion of it which is visible, consistent with the sling on 133B?
Mr. Shaneyfelt.
Yes; it is entirely consistent.
Mr. Eisenberg.
Also looks like a piece of rope, is that it?
Mr. Shaneyfelt.
Yes; it has that appearance.
…and a sling consisting of two leather straps, one of which had a broad patch, which apparently had been inserted on the rifle and cut to length. 10. The sling was not a standard rifle sling, but appeared to be a musical instrument strap or a sling from a carrying case or camera bag. 11. A basis purpose of a rifle sling is to enable the rifleman to steady his grip, by wrapping the arm into the sling in a prescribed manner. The sling on the rifle was too short to use in the normal way, but might have served to provide some additional steadiness. 12.
The sling on the TSBD rifle was a part of a U.S. Air Force holster and</SPAN> <BR sb_id="ms__id9809">> > > harness set, patented by Norris N. Murray, on March 6, 1956, patent <BR sb_id="ms__id9810">> > > No. 2,819,830. ( see U.S. Military Holsters and Pistol cartridge <BR sb_id="ms__id9811">> > > Boxes By Edward Scott Meadows, 1987 , 376.)http://groups.google...onspiracy.jfk/mThe sling on the TSBD rifle was a part of a U.S. Air Force holster and</SPAN> <BR sb_id="ms__id9809">> > > harness set, patented by Norris N. Murray, on March 6, 1956, patent <BR sb_id="ms__id9810">> > > No. 2,819,830. ( see U.S. Military Holsters and Pistol cartridge <BR sb_id="ms__id9811">> > > Boxes By Edward Scott Meadows, 1987 , 376.)
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Bill; would any of these views help...b
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Synopsis
Tackling head-on the most controversial and debated _what if_ in U.S. foreign policy, this provocative work explores what President John F. Kennedy would have done in Vietnam had he not been assassinated in 1963. Drawing on a wealth of recently declassified documents, frank oral testimony of White House officials from both the Kennedy and Johnson administrations, and the analysis of top historians, this book presents compelling evidence that JFK was ready to end U.S. involvement well before the conflict escalated. With vivid immediacy, readers will feel they are in the president's war room as the debates raged that forever changed the course of American history_and continue to affect us profoundly as the shadows of Vietnam stretch into Iraq.
Karl Helicher - Library
Karl Helicher - Library
http://search.barnesandnoble.com/Vietnam-If-Kennedy-Had-Lived/James-G-Blight/e/9780742556997
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Washington, DC, November 4, 2010 - President Obama's new Executive Order on "Controlled Unclassified Information" issued today builds on recommendations from open government groups and the findings of the National Security Archive's 2006 audit of "Pseudo-Secrets" that uncovered 28 different and uncoordinated policies on marking and restricting official unclassified information.
"Over the years, government officials came up with more than 100 creative acronyms like LOU or UCNI or SHSI or SBU to stamp as secret those records that did not qualify for the normal national security classification system," remarked Tom Blanton, director of the Archive. "The new Order will bring some much-needed standards and restrictions to this out-of-control bureaucratic process - and help fulfill President Obama's pledges for a more open government."
Patrice McDermott, director of the OpenTheGovernment.org coalition, commented that "The [previous] Bush policy and earlier drafts could have created a fourth level of classification. Instead, this Order is a victory for openness, for both our community and the Administration. We applaud the Administration for the time, effort, and thoughtful consideration of input from inside and outside government it took to make this the outcome."
The Archive carried out in 2006 the first government-wide audit of sensitive-but-unclassified information policies, sparking Congressional hearings on the subject. At the time, Archive director Blanton testified to the U.S. House of Representative Committee on Government Reform that "We believe the diversity of policies, the ambiguous and incomplete guidelines, the lack of monitoring, and the decentralized administration of information controls on sensitive unclassified information - all of which is evident in our Audit results - means that neither the Congress nor the public can really tell whether these sensitive unclassified information policies are actually working to safeguard our security, or are being abused for administrative convenience or coverup."
Subsequently, then- Archive general counsel Meredith Fuchs worked with OMB Watch and OpenTheGovernment.org to lead a process of developing policy recommendations for the Presidential transition of 2008-2009, including specific limits on the sensitive-but-unclassified category - limits that now have found official expression in the new Executive Order.
Visit the Archive's Web site for more information about today's posting.
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THE NATIONAL SECURITY ARCHIVE is an independent non-governmental research institute and library located at The George Washington University in Washington, D.C. The Archive collects and publishes declassified documents acquired through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA). A tax-exempt public charity, the Archive receives no U.S. government funding; its budget is supported by publication royalties and donations from foundations and individuals.
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thank you Don for all you continue to do, always appreciated, carry on take care..b
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THANKS DAVE..for your videos and links.....b
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By HILLEL ITALIE
AP National Writer
NEW YORK — Of the courtiers to Camelot's king, Theodore C. Sorensen ranked just below Bobby Kennedy. He was the adoring, tireless speechwriter and confidant to President John F. Kennedy, whose term was marked by Cold War struggles, growing civil rights strife and the beginnings of the U.S. intervention in Vietnam.
Soaring rhetoric helped make Kennedy's presidency a symbol of hope and liberal governance, and the crowning achievement for Sorensen, who died Sunday, was the inaugural address that was the greatest collaboration between the two and set the standard for modern oratory.
With its call for self-sacrifice and civic engagement - "Ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country" - and its promise to spare no cost in defending the country's interests worldwide, the address is an uplifting but haunting reminder of national purpose and confidence, before Vietnam, assassinations, Watergate, terrorist attacks and economic shock.
But to the end, Sorensen was a believer.
He was 82 when he died at noon at Manhattan's New York Presbyterian Hospital/Weill Cornell Medical Center from complications of a stroke, his widow, Gillian Sorensen, said.
Sorensen had been in poor health in recent years and a stroke in 2001 left him with such poor eyesight that he was unable to write his memoir, "Counselor," published in 2008. Instead, he had to dictate it to an assistant.
President Barack Obama issued a statement saying he was saddened to learn of Sorensen's death.
"His legacy will live on in the words he wrote, the causes he advanced, and the hearts of anyone who is inspired by the promise of a new frontier," Obama said.
Kennedy's daughter, Caroline Kennedy, called Sorensen a "wonderful friend and counselor" for her father and all of her family.
"His partnership with President Kennedy helped bring justice to our country and peace to our world. I am grateful for his guidance, his generosity of spirit and the special time he took to teach my children about their grandfather," she said in a statement.
Hours after his death, Gillian Sorensen told The Associated Press that although a first stroke nine years ago robbed him of much of his sight, "he managed to get back up and going."
She said he continued to give speeches and traveled, and just two weeks ago, he collaborated on the lyrics to music to be performed in January at the Kennedy Center in Washington - a symphony commemorating a half-century since Kennedy took office.
"I can really say he lived to be 82 and he lived to the fullest and to the last - with vigor and pleasure and engagement," said Gillian Sorensen, who was at his side to the last. "His mind, his memory, his speech were unaffected."
Her husband was hospitalized Oct. 22 after a second stroke that was "devastating," she said.
Some of Kennedy's most memorable speeches, from his inaugural address to his vow to place a man on the moon, resulted from such close collaborations with Sorensen that scholars debated who wrote what. He had long been suspected as the real writer of the future president's Pulitzer Prize-winning "Profiles in Courage," an allegation Sorensen and the Kennedys emphatically - and litigiously - denied.
They were an odd but utterly compatible duo, the glamorous, wealthy politician from Massachusetts and the shy wordsmith from Nebraska, described by Time magazine in 1960 as "a sober, deadly earnest, self-effacing man with a blue steel brain." But as Sorensen would write in "Counselor," the difference in their lifestyles was offset by the closeness of their minds: Each had a wry sense of humor, a dislike of hypocrisy, a love of books and a high-minded regard for public life.
Kennedy called him "my intellectual blood bank" and the press frequently referred to Sorensen as Kennedy's "ghostwriter," especially after the release of "Profiles in Courage." Presidential secretary Evelyn Lincoln saw it another way: "Ted was really more shadow than ghost, in the sense that he was never really very far from Kennedy."
Sorensen's brain of steel was never needed more than in October 1962, with the U.S. and the Soviet Union on the brink of nuclear annihilation over the placement of Soviet missiles in Cuba. Kennedy directed Sorensen and Bobby Kennedy, the administration's attorney general, to draft a letter to Nikita Khrushchev, who had sent conflicting messages, first conciliatory, then confrontational.
The carefully worded response - which ignored the Soviet leader's harsher statements and included a U.S. concession involving U.S. weaponry in Turkey - was credited with persuading the Soviets to withdraw their missiles from Cuba and with averting war between the superpowers.
Sorensen considered his role his greatest achievement.
"That's what I'm proudest of," he once told the Omaha (Neb.) World-Herald. "Never had this country, this world, faced such great danger. You and I wouldn't be sitting here today if that had gone badly."
Robert Dallek, a historian and the author of "An Unfinished Life: John F. Kennedy, 1917-1963," agreed that Sorensen played a central role in that crisis and throughout the administration.
"He was one of the principal architects of the Kennedy presidency - in fact, the entire Kennedy career," he said Sunday.
Of the many speeches Sorensen helped compose, Kennedy's inaugural address shone brightest. Bartlett's Familiar Quotations includes four citations from the speech - one-seventh of the entire address, which built to an unforgettable exhortation: "Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country."
Much of the roughly 14-minute speech - the fourth-shortest inaugural address ever, but in the view of many experts rivaled only by Lincoln's - was marked by similar sparkling phrase-making:
- "Let every nation know, whether it wishes us well or ill, that we shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty."
- "If a free society cannot help the many who are poor, it cannot save the few who are rich."
- "Let us never negotiate out of fear. But let us never fear to negotiate."
As with "Profiles in Courage," Sorensen never claimed primary authorship of the address. Rather, he described speechwriting within Kennedy's White House as highly collaborative - with JFK a constant kibitzer.
In April 1961, weeks into the Kennedy presidency, the Soviet Union launched the first man into orbit. Less than a month later, Alan Shepard became the first American in space with a 15-minute suborbital flight. The idea of a moon landing "caught my attention, and I knew it would catch Kennedy's," Sorensen recalled. "This is the man who talked about new frontiers. That's what I took to him."
Shortly after Shepard's landmark flight, Kennedy said: "I believe this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before the decade is out, of landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to Earth." U.S. astronauts met that deadline in July 1969.
Kennedy reinforced the Eisenhower administration's commitment of sending advisers to South Vietnam, but Sorensen maintained that the president, had he not been assassinated, would eventually have withdrawn American troops. Sorensen also believed that the president would have passed the civil rights legislation that successor Lyndon Johnson pushed through.
On the afternoon of Nov. 22, 1963, Sorensen was leaving his home in Arlington, Va., where he had stopped briefly after lunching with a newspaper editor, when he was summoned to the White House.
There, his secretary told him that the president had been shot in Dallas.
"Sometimes," Sorensen told an interviewer in 2006, "I still dream about him."
Sorensen's youthful worship never faded, even as he acknowledged Kennedy's extramarital affairs. "It was wrong, and he knew it was wrong, which is why he went to great lengths to keep it hidden," Sorensen wrote in his memoir. "In every other aspect of his life, he was honest and truthful, especially in his job. His mistakes do not make his accomplishments less admirable; but they were still mistakes."
Sorensen would witness a brief revival of Camelot with the presidential election of Obama, whom Sorensen endorsed "because he is more like John F. Kennedy than any other candidate of our time. He has judgment as he demonstrated in his early opposition to the war in Iraq."
A year after Obama's election, Sorensen said he was disappointed with the president's speeches, saying that Obama was "clearly well informed on all matters of public policy, sometimes, frankly, a little too well informed. And as a result, some of the speeches are too complicated for typical citizens and very clear to university faculties and big newspaper editorial boards."
Theodore Chaikin Sorensen was born in Lincoln, Neb., on May 8, 1928. His father, C.A. Sorensen, was a lawyer and a progressive politician who served as Nebraska's attorney general.
His son described the elder Sorensen as "my first hero." Growing up, Sorensen once joked, "I wasn't involved in politics at all - until about the age of 4."
He graduated from Lincoln High, the University of Nebraska and the university's law school. At age 24, he explored job prospects in Washington, D.C., and found himself weighing offers from two newly elected senators, Kennedy of Massachusetts and fellow Democrat Henry Jackson, from Washington state.
As Sorensen recalled, Jackson wanted a PR man. Kennedy, considered the less promising politician, wanted Sorensen to poll economists and develop a plan to jump-start New England's economy.
"Two roads diverged in the Old Senate Office Building and I took the one less recommended, and that has made all the difference," Sorensen wrote in his memoir. "The truth is more prosaic: I wanted a good job."
At the 1956 Democratic National Convention, the charismatic Kennedy attracted wide attention as a candidate for vice president. He eventually withdrew, but his exposure at the convention led to a flurry of invitations to speak around the country.
During the next four years - the de facto beginning of Kennedy's presidential run - he and Sorensen traveled together to every state, with Sorensen juggling various jobs: scheduler, speechwriter, press rep.
"There was nothing like that three-four year period where, just the two of us, we were traveling across the United States," Sorensen told The Associated Press in 2008. "That's when I got to know the man."
After Kennedy's thousand days in the White House, Sorensen worked as an international lawyer, counting Anwar Sadat among his clients. He stayed involved in politics, joining Bobby Kennedy's presidential campaign in 1968 and running unsuccessfully for the New York Senate four years later. In 1976, President Carter nominated Sorensen for the job of CIA director, but conservative critics quickly killed the nomination, citing - among other alleged flaws - his youthful decision to identify himself as a conscientious objector.
Besides "Counselor," his books included "Decision Making in the White House" (1963), "Kennedy" (1965) and "The Kennedy Legacy" (1969). In 2000, Hollywood turned the Cuban missile crisis into a movie called "Thirteen Days." Actor Tim Kelleher played Sorensen.
His role, according to Sorensen? To "think and worry. ... often bent over."
Gillian Sorensen said a public memorial service would be held for her husband in about a month, but the exact date has yet to be set. She said there would be no formal funeral. Survivors also include a daughter, Juliet Sorensen Jones, of Chicago; three sons from his first marriage, Eric Sorensen, Stephen Sorensen and Philip Sorensen, all of Wisconsin; and seven grandchildren.
Associated Press writers Verena Dobnik, Mike Stewart and Cristian Salazar contributed to this report.
Read more: http://www.star-telegram.com/2010/10/31/2591308/theodore-sorensen-top-jfk-aide.html#ixzz144vde7Yb
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This subject has come up off the board, so FWIW...b
''is an email confidentiality notice legally binding'', there are several other sites also, basically saying about the same, thanks the first site, i believe is in the states, the second site in england...b
http://www.expertlaw...ead.php?t=15429 hasEML = false;http://www.out-law.com/page-5536
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Kathy, I was going to reply to your post with the observation that the CIA had no need to kill Sorensen because they had long ago compromised him by maneuvering one of their agents, Steinem, into the role of his sexual partner.
But now, after reading that Sorensen and Steinem did a road tour together just last year, and assurances from a former CIA man that Steinem was one of the "good wingers". I don't know what to think, which is probably the motivation for Dr. Cumming's authorship of his book...so, mission accomplished, Dr. Cummings, CIA, and Ted Sorensen.
http://www.macomb.ed...960s+series.htmMacomb Community College - 1960s series
Feb 10, 2009 ... It features noted civil rights leader Andrew Young, March 5; feminist pioneer Gloria Steinem, April 16; Ted Sorenson, an advisor to ...
http://www.africancr...le.php?ID=11102An alert reader in the UK found this. This article is the follow on by Dr Cummings to his book, "The Pied Piper" (1985).
Dr Cummings was a CIA agent in the Middle East. This is an extremely important article and it explains what went on behind the scenes in this country. Jan]
From International Journal of Intelligence and Counterintelligence, Summer 1995:
...15. Interview with Harris Wofford, supra. Other CIA
"good wingers" of that generation included the Rev. William Sloane
Coffin, Jr. (See Coffin, Once To Every Man (New York, Atheneum,
1977); author and naturalist Peter Matthiessen, for whom the Paris
Review was his cover and who, according to James Linville, the
Managing Editor of The Paris Review, is "haunted by the CIA."
Conversation with James Linville, Oxford, MS, April 1993, at the
40th anniversary celebration of The Paris Review (The New York
Times first reported Matthiessen's CIA employment); Gloria
Steinem, who worked for three years for the Independent Research
Service, an organization totally supported by the CIA and whose
purpose was to disrupt Communist youth festivals. This was first
disclosed by Ramparts and later reported in The New York Times
in 1967. See Press Release, 9 May 1975, Redstockings of the Women's
Liberation Movement; letter from Jane Barry of Redstockings, 19
February 1987, and ultra liberal author/activist Robert Sam Anson
(Interview with Robert Sam Anson, May 1985). The theoretical
intellect behind "good wing" ideology in the CIA was Harry
Rositzke, who argued that democracy and capitalism were not
necessarily synonymous and that the United States should support
progressive social democratic or democratic socialist approaches in critical countries. See Rositzke, supra, p. 268.
A correction.: Steinem and Sorensen appeared last year on the same stage, as part of a series of lectures, but their appearances were two weeks apart.
Sorensen 2008...looking great...
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your welcome Robin, there should be other frames also but,they have not been made available, i hope your gremlin does not disolve or eat your photos as i suspect mine does at times,he gets voracious,it seems ,even for pdfs , have a good day, thanks best b...