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The "Dead" Secret Service Agent Saga

and the Agent(s) on the Knoll

by Vince Palamara

This article by DPQ Associate Editor Vince Palamara originally appeared in the October 1997 issue of JFK Deep Politics Quarterly. Used by permission of the author.

All rights reserved.

In the July, 1997 JFK Deep Politics Quarterly article "Jim Fox and the Dead Secret Service Agent Story," Mark Crouch raised some fascinating possibilities. In fact, I was so inspired by that article that I finally decided to do something I should have done a long time ago: namely, detail every scrap of data concerning this mystery, as well as the one concerning the "agent(s)" of unknown repute spotted in Dealey Plaza immediately after the assassination.

First things first, however -- here is every known reference to the dead agent I could find as reported in the media on November 22, 1963. Eddie Barker, KRLD-TV, a CBS affiliate, noted, "The word is that the President was killed, one of his agents is dead, and Governor Connally was wounded." ABC News in Washington reported, "A Secret Service agent apparently was shot by one of the assassin's bullets." ABC's Bill Lord report included, "Did confirm the death of the secret service agent... one of the Secret Service agents was killed...Secret Service agents usually walk right beside the car." ABC Washington also noted, "One of the Secret Service agents traveling with the President was killed today."

The Associated Press (AP) was quoted on WFAA (ABC):"A Secret Service agent and a Dallas policeman were shot and killed some distance from where the President was shot." At 12:45 p.m. CST, KRLD-TV, a CBS affiliate, reported that a Secret Service agent had been killed along with the President.

At 1:23 pm, CST, CBS's Walter Cronkite reported, "A Secret Service man was also killed in the fusillade of shots." Seth Kantor, a reporter for Scripps-Howard, would write in his notebook, which was published by the Warren Commission [20H 410] "They even have to die in secret." At 2:14, the AP again made note: "A Secret Service Agent and a Dallas policeman were shot and killed today. The Dallas Police radio, channel two, also carried the story: (2:40 p.m.) "One of the Secret Service men on the field--Elm and Houston, said that it came over his Teletype that one of the Secret Service men had been killed." The Dallas Times Herald , dateline November 22, 1963, added, "From the Secret Service office in Dallas--a spokesman could neither confirm or deny the report: 'All I've heard is the same reports you've heard [sic]'." At 3:40 p.m. Assistant Secretary of the Treasury Robert A. Wallace reported, "No Secret Service man was injured in the attack on President Kennedy," a denial of sorts, but it does not indicate if one was killed, or if there was violence away from "the attack on President Kennedy."

Beyond this, several authors, this one included, have come upon information that, in one way or another, appears to corroborate the story to a certain extent. What follows is a listing of these findings. In High Treason 2 (p. 439), DNC advance man Marty Underwood said to Harry Livingstone-- "There were a couple of suicides in the thing, with the Secret Service and everything..." Livingstone: "Do you remember who committed suicide?" Underwood: "I don't remember. I think there were a couple...." [He is then cut off by Livingstone.]

Secondly, inthis author's book The Third Alternative (p. 36): "While all three major television networks reported that "A Secret Service agent and a Dallas policeman were shot and killed' on 11/22/63, only to be officially corrected later by Secret Service officials, this author learned from Crouch, [Mark Crouch,friend and confidante of PRS agent/photographer James K. "Jack" Fox] that Agent Fox stated that the story was true!! According to Crouch, Fox was working in theExecutive Office Building on 11/ 22/63 (where

the PRS office was), when he was asked by SAIC of PRS Robert Bouck to get ready a detail of four to six agents to assist in retrieving the body and casket of the unnamed Secret Service agent. Fox told Crouch, "We lost a man that day- our man ,' and qualified his remarks by stating that he was not referring to JFK! This was a deathbed confession of sorts, -- Fox died not long after telling Crouch this in the early 1980's [ed. note: Fox died in 1987]. (Interestingly, although having heard the news reports that stated that the President's limousine raced to Parkland Hospital after the shooting, Mrs. Bill Greer thought for several hours that her husband had perished that day! Since she knew that Greer was the driver of JFK's car, this appears to be a strange admission. See Death of a President, p. 354, 1988 edition; interview of Richard Greer, 10/7/91)";

Third, from Richard Trask's Pictures of the Pain, (p. 50): Mrs. Cecil Stoughton had similar concerns about her husband to those of Mrs. Greer cited above, no doubt due to these same reports.

These tidbits, seemingly corroborative data concerning this mysterious, unnamed "dead" agent, tantalize us with the sheer volume of their credibility. With this in mind, I decided to "get specific" and try to FIND this deceased Secret Service Agent. Initially, I thought I might have found him: ATSAIC Stewart G. "Stu" Stout , stationed at the Trade Mart on November 22, 1963, died--cause unknown--immediately after Dallas, according to Agents Sam Kinney and Floyd Boring (author's interviews, 1994). In fact, Boring initially doubted that Stout was even in Dallas ("Gee, I don't think so...then again, I guess I should have known he was there because he died shortly thereafter.") Ironically, S/A Stout rode in the hearse [JFK's] (presumably upright, and breathing) from Parkland Hospital to Love Field on November 22, 1963!! [stout had also been involved in protecting Truman at Blair House during the assassination attempt on November 1, 1950 along with Floyd Boring, as well as having been with Vice President Nixon in Caracas, Venezuela, in 1958.] However, three items of data appear to quash this initial identification of the "dead" agent: First, Stout's report of his activities, dated 11/29/63 (18H 785); secondly, Stout's report, dated April 29, 1964, concerning the infamous drinking incident (18H 680); finally, an actual film clip of Stout with LBJ in California in 1964 as depicted in the 1992 PBS video "LBJ." Reports of Stout's demise apparently were, at least initially, exaggerated.

So the use of the word "immediately" by Kinney and Boring appears to be a slight case of hyperbole on their part. So I then focused on the other two agents, Emory Roberts, and Henry Rybka, who always aroused my suspicions in regard to this matter.

Fellow ATSAIC Emory P. Roberts died of unknown causes, the very same time an unnamed agent took his life in the... "Sixties, in Washington, with his own weapon. There were signs he was beginning to buckle," as former agent Chick Rochner explained to fellow former agent Marty Venker ! ("Confessions of an Ex-Secret Service Agent," pp. 216-217) As for Agent Rybka, the only written confirmation of his appearance after November 22,1963, is his alleged report found on 25H 787. However, unlike every other report found in volumes 18 and 25, save Agent Greer's, it is undated. In addition, there is a strange lack of detail and content, and there is no approval stamp by SAIC Behn. Keeping in mind the three documents that place him in the follow-up car on November 22, when he actually was left behind at Love Field (see JFK/Deep Politics Quarterly , October, 1996), something appears to be amiss.

Unfortunately for this specific quest, Roberts and the "unnamed" agent died in the late 1960s, while Rybka's presence as late as November 27 is confirmed by S/A Roy Kellerman in his WC testimony (2H 86), ...so much for that. Still, there HAD to be something to these tales of the "dead" agent; I decided to look still further. After an exhaustive examination of EVERY agent even remotely associated with the Texas trip (using the Warren Report, the 26 volumes, the HSCA materials, newly released interviews, plus Secret Service shift reports as sources), I have come to the conclusion I feel I can state most firmly: the only agent who is a real viable candidate for possibly being the dead agent is Dennis R. Halterman, a White House Detail agent who, as the shift reports bear out, was in San Antonio with the President on November 21 but who, for all intents and purposes, "disappears" from the record after that date. In essence, there is no written record of if, when, how, or where he went after that stop on the Texas tour: to Houston? Dallas? Austin? Washington? Halterman's name was known to me before I obtained the shift reports last year, as he is listed as being a member of the WH Detail in an alphabetical listing provided by Fred Ciacelli of the traveling JFK Museum to me in late 1993. It was also from this list that I asked Sam Kinney if Halterman--along with several heretofore unknown agents of the WHD present on this list--were still alive back in March, 1994. Kinney told me Halterman was deceased, but did not say when or how he died, mainly because I did not ASK him at that time. I have since tried to ask the question to former S/A Kinney, but have not been able to contact him.

But that is it--no other reference is made to Halterman anywhere else, and he is the only agent who could possible be a candidate for the "dead" agent, based on my personal research.

Equally intense was my search for the "agent" of unknown repute who appears in Dealey Plaza on November 22, 1963. Was he real? Was he an illusion? Was it a case of mistaken identity? Was he a fake agent? Was he a real agent? These were the questions I had to answer, or try to, to the best of my ability. As we shall see shortly, I chose the last option as being the correct choice.

As a precondition, we shall discard the problematic "identifications" of Jean Hill, as she testified to being encountered by a Secret Service agent who was most likely Dallas Times Herald reporter Jim Featherstone; equally valueless was the statement of Lee Oswald (see 24H 479), as the "agent" he pointed to a phone booth in the TSBD after the shooting was most likely WFAA newsman Pierce Allman or the more commonly identified Robert MacNeil after all. We do not need to rely on these accounts, as there are other sources. The following people stated that they encountered an "agent" in Dealey Plaza, or they gave information that definitely tends to strengthen the accounts of others on this issue.

Law enforcement officers noted the presence of an agent in the plaza: Joe Marshall Smith, who even saw credentials (7H 535), D.V. Harkness (6H 312), Constable Seymour Weitzman (7H 107), and Deputy Sheriff Roger Craig (cited in Crossfire, 330). Spectators Malcolm Summers (quoted on "Nova," November, 1988), Gordon Arnold, (Dallas Morning News, August 27, 1978), and Ronald Fischer (6H 196), all saw or corroborated other "sightings."

What does the "official" record reveal about these alleged 'sightings'? Yeah, we know...or do we? Going back to the original "official" statement, or party line, was quite an

eye opening experience: "All the Secret Service agents assigned to the motorcade stayed with the motorcade all the way to the hospital. None remained at the scene of the shooting, and none entered the School Book Depository at or immediately after the time of the shooting." (Commission Document 3, p. 44--emphasis added)

So, in actual fact, this statement, drafted by Secretary of the Treasury C. Douglas Dillon and General Counsel G. d'Andelot Belin, only accounts for the sixteen agents traveling in the motorcade--two in the lead car (Lawson and Sorrels), two in the limousine (Greer and

Kellerman), eight in the follow up (Kinney, Roberts, Hill, McIntyre, Ready, Landis, Bennett, Hickey), one in LBJ's car (Youngblood), and the three in the VP follow-up car (Johns, Taylor and Kivett)!! Discarding the notion that "Lem" Johns was the agent (he was left behind VERY briefly on the ROAD and hitched a ride in one of the camera cars as verified by the film record), and stipulating that the other WHD agents assigned to the Trade Mart, Love Field, Austin, and other places, based on the "official" record, really were there the whole time, what does that leave us with?

For one thing, there were, "officially"speaking, seven agents in the Dallas field office of the Secret Service: SAIC Sorrels, as noted, in the lead car; Robert Steuart and John Joe Howlett, at the Trade Mart; Roger C. Warner, and William H. Patterson, both stationed at Love Field. But, as you note, that is only five of the seven agents. And there's the rub--the Secret Service reports in Volume XVIII alone confirm what five of the seven of the Dallas agents were doing on November 22--what about the other two--Charles E. Kunkel and James F. "Mike" Howard?

There are NO reports from these two men in the volumes (quite a strange departure), and NO testimony was taken from them either (although with no testimony taken from seven of the eight SS agents in the follow up, that should not surprise us). Coincidentally, both of these agents would go on to guard the Oswald family after the assassination and subsequent death of LHO; in fact, good old Marguerite Oswald felt that these agents were involved in the actual conspiracy itself (1H 169-170)! Howard, who would go on to join the WHD onMarch 29, 1964, was interviewed in an AP story related in the "Fresno Bee" on 11/22/93, the 30th anniversary of JFK's murder. Despite the obvious need to focus on the assassination, there was no mention in that interview of where either Howard (or Kunkel..) were during the critical time of the shooting in he middle of Elm Street! Are there any candidates from the WHD who are "eligible" to have been the "real agent" In Dealey Plaza on November 22? Yes, the aforementioned Dennis R. Halterman, and for the very same reasons, another new and obscure name: Ronald M. Pontius. Pontius, in Houston on November 21, also "disappears" from the detailed, written record and, like Halterman, this omission stands out noticeably from the shift reports and other documents--if one applies Peter Dale Scott's "negative template" hypothesis: if something is not there that SHOULD be there, something's amiss. Interestingly, during my interview of Houston DNC advance man Marty Underwood, he mentioned that the one agent I should contact about these matters was none other than Pontius himself, a completely unknown name to be then (Oct., 1992), and still a pretty obscure name now. Finally, as readers of my book, The Third Alternative, know, former agent Abraham W. Bolden, Sr., expressed much suspicion about fellow former agent Harvey Henderson as being a possible candidate for the "agent" in Dealey Plaza. At that time, Henderson was "removed" from the WHD-- if you believe Bolden, because he was extremely bitter towards JFK, and this removal happened shortly before Dallas. I have been unable to confirm or deny the story conclusively, as Henderson passed away in early 1994 just as I was seeking to interview him.

One final clue to both the mystery of the "dead" agent and the "unknown agent" in Dealey Plaza on November 22 may come from the statements of former Dallas agent Robert A. Steuart, as revealed in Bill Sloan's 1993 work, JFK--Breaking the Silence (pp 1-5). Although the agent who spoke to Sloan was unnamed in the book, Sloan confirmed to me the agent's identity based on my firm conviction that this agent HAD to have been Steuart. Why? Because, as I told Sloan, the agent used the identical language with me during my two "attempted" interviews with him in 1992 and 1993; in any event, Sloan confirmed my suspicions. So, just what did Steuart say to Sloan (and me)? Sworn to absolute secrecy about the "Kennedy thing," Steuart went on to say, "I can't talk about it...There are so many things I could tell you, but I just can't... I can't tell you anything... I'd like to, but I can't.... It

was a very heavy deal, and they would know. Someone would know. It's...too dangerous, even now."

This, from a local agent, stationed at the Trade Mart on November 22, 1963.

Were the stories about the "dead" Secret Service agent true? Quite possibly, for there is one viable candidate. What about the "agent" in Dealey Plaza? He most likely was a GENUINE agent, for there are five potential candidates: two local agents, two Washington agents, and one bitter renegade agent, whereabouts unknown, on that fateful day in Dallas. One thing is sure: if the man on the knoll was the renegade, it was one hell of a conspiracy, and if an agent was killed, why the silence?

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A special note and addendum from the author (November 28, 1997)

I have received a lot of acclaim for my article in the the October 1997 JFK/DPQ, which is very much appreciated. While I still stand behind all the documentation in the article (and feel especially strong about the agent-in-the-plaza info), one major correction and one addition should be noted. I just returned from the JFK/Lancer conference in Dallas to discover over 300 pages of Secret Service survey reports and many Secret Service agent letters in my mail!

One of the documents, RIF-154-10002-10424, eliminates Secret Service Agent Dennis R. Halterman as being a candidate for the "dead" agent (but not the agent in the plaza, along with the four other candidates). However, while at the conference, researcher John Armstrong gave me a Treasury Department document regarding a U.S. Customs Official's allegations that a "[fnu] Mr. Robertson" of the Secret Service disappeared on 11/22/63 (Robertson was stationed in the Dallas/Fort Worth area). I am currently checking up on this new lead.

Also, Mrs. Hazel Kinney wrote me, telling me that her husband Sam Kinney (the driver of the follow-up car on 11/22/63 and a member of the Secret Service from 1950 to 1967) passed away on 7/21/97 while they were traveling in Iowa. I am the only person to have gotten Sam on the record in detail (even more so than the 1996 HSCA release). I am in the process of developing a list of surviving Secret Service agents to bring to the Review Board; needless to say, this was a great loss. I am forever grateful to the extended time Sam gave me in 1992 through 1994.

Recently, I've received letters from agents Floyd Boring, Bill Livingood, G. d'Andelot Belin, and others; hopefully there's many more to come as the research continues...

Thank you.

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Birds of a Feather: Subverting the Constitution at Harvard Law

By Jim Fetzer

Madison, WI (OpEdNews) --As someone who has promoted the investigation of political events that appear to have involved "pulling the wool" over the eyes of the public, I must say that I have never read a more corrosive approach toward the Constitution than "Conspiracy Theories" by Cass R. Sunstein and Adrian Vermeule of the Harvard School of Law. The massive blunder at the core of their conception is to take for granted that all "conspiracy theories" must be false! That is about as gratuitous a begging of the question as I have ever encountered -- and I taught logic, critical thinking, and scientific reasoning for 35 years. No one can know which theories are true or false without investigating them. That this is coming from faculty at Harvard Law is simply stunning.

Conspiracies only require two or more persons collaborating together to bring about an illegal end. An obvious point apparently escaped their attention, since the official account of 9/11 posits that 19 Islamic fundamentalists hijacked four commercial airliners and outfoxed the most sophisticated air defense system in the world under the control of a guy in a cave off in Afghanistan. So the official account of 9/11 posits a conspiracy! If we follow their advice, we cannot even discuss 9/11 -- the pivotal event that changed the world, according to "W" -- since, whether the official account is true or false (because more was going on behind the scenes), it involved a conspiracy, which shows the absurdity of their position.

As a student of conspiracy theories ("Thinking about "Conspiracy Theories': 9/11 and JFK", http://assassinationscience.com, http://assassinationresearch,com, and http://911scholars.org ), the misconception at the heart of their position is to suppose that conspiracy theories-- virtually without exception -- are incapable of empirical investigation and hence beyond the scope of rational evaluation. This contention acquires a certain degree of plausibility by trading upon an equivocation between "theories" as mere rumors, guesses, or speculations and "theories" as empirically testable explanatory hypotheses. To appreciate the difference, consider the use of that term in relation to the atomic theory of matter, the theory of evolution, or the theory of relativity. Perhaps news of the existence of "scientific theories" hasn't made its way to Harvard Law!

They contend that conspiracy theories are "self-sealing" and products of (what they call) a "crippled epistemology". But while there may be some conspiracy theories that satisfy that description, it is certainly not true of all. My purpose in creating a JFK research group in 1992 was to take rumor and speculation out of the case and place its study on an objective and scientific foundation. Even Vincent Bugliosi, who has written a massive work, RECLAIMING HISTORY (2007) defending THE WARREN REPORT (1964), has described them as "the only exclusively scientific books ever published on the assassination", which he has exactly right, but I am still dismayed that he disregards our objective and scientific findings, which contradict the "official account" of the assassination.

The members of this group included a world authority on the human brain who was also an expert on wound ballistics, a Ph.D. in physics who is also an M.D. and board-certified in radiation oncology, a physician who participated in the treatment of JFK at Parkland Hospital and, two days later, was responsible for the care of his alleged assassin, a legendary photo-analyst who testified before the HSCA during its reinvestigation of the case in 1977-78 and later advised Oliver Stone in the making of "JFK", and another Ph.D. in physics, this time with a specialization in electromagnetism. We have discovered that the autopsy X-rays had been altered, that someone else's brain had been substituted for that of JFK, and that the Zapruder film was extensively altered to mislead the American people.

Those who may not have time to read the books I have edited, ASSASSINATION SCIENCE (1998), MURDER IN DEALEY PLAZA (2000), and THE GREAT ZAPRUDER FILM HOAX (2003), might benefit from the overview presented in my chapter, "Dealey Plaza Revisited", which appears in JOHN F. KENNEDY: HISORY, MEMORY, LEGACY (2009), which can be downloaded here. Our research has been corroborated by the five-volume study, INSIDE THE ARRB (2009), by Douglas Horne, who was the senior analysis for military affairs for the Assassination Records Review Board, which was created by an act of Congress with the authority to declassify documents, records, and studies held by the CIA, the FBI, the Secret Service, and other governmental entities, where its work has made an enormous important contribution of information about the assassination.

Insofar as THE WARREN REPORT (1964), THE HSCA FINAL REPORT (1979), and Gerald Posner, CASE CLOSED (1963), are all predicated upon the "magic bullet" theory -- of a single bullet entering the back of JFK's neck, traversing it without hitting any bony structures, and exiting at the throat to enter the back of Governor John Connally -- if that hypothesis is false, then, as Michael Baden, M.D., the chair of the medical panel for the HSCA has observed, there had to have been at least six shots from three different directions -- it may be even simpler to understand how we know the "magic bullet" theory is a fantasy.Try "Reasoning about Assassinations",a paper I presented at Cambridge, which was published in an international peer-reviewed journal, if you want to see scientific in practice.

More studies of the assassination are found at http://jamesfetzer.blogspot.com. In relation to "Conspiracy Theories", however, Paul Craig Roberts has observed that the rule of law-- perhaps humanity's greatest achievement -- has been lost. Sunstein,who is now Obama's head of the Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs, even recommends "that the U.S. government create a cadre of covert agents to infiltrate anti-war groups and groups opposed to U.S. government policies in order to provoke them into actions or statements for which they can be discredited and even arrested", as Roberts observes. "That this proposal comes from a Harvard Law School professor demonstrates the collapse of respect for law among American law professors themselves, ranging from John Yoo at Berkeley, the advocate of torture, to Sunstein at Harvard, a totalitarian who advocates war on the First Amendment."

Joseph Lawler has observed the profound irony of attacking conspiracy theories by proposing a conspiracy to defeat them! That Cass Sunstein is a member of the Obama administration in a regulatory capacity and has even been mentioned as a possible nominee for the Supreme Court reflects an astounding example of cognitive dissonance. Like other officials of the government, that would entail an oath to preserve, protect, and defend the Constitution of the United States from all enemies, foreign and domestic. Given his position on the First Amendment, not only could he not swear such an oath without committing perjury but his role in subverting the principles upon which this country was founded make him one of those who qualifies as an enemy of the document he was swearing to uphold.

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Right on Bernice

Not only do I agree with you, but I stand behind you as well

Dean

thanks dean to me it is such a creepy thing to do, to impose upon and use others to post his reply emails to be able toget back at someone else like it shows such an infantile mentality and he has been at it now for so very long like growup you darn old fool..he certainly appears to be loosing it and he does not seem to be intelligent enough or on the ball that when he does such as he has to me it is not i that run such as the tsbd it is his and their reputation he splatters whenever he des so like for god's sake wake up...if he values either just shut the hell up and stop sending out his trashy emails he has such an overwhelming get back at attitude it has gotten out of hand and he just may need to talk to someone about it it really has gotten sick..imo.. ..ta best b..

professor thompson....quote ''It would be stupid to fake them up because you could never know if yet another film or photo would show up to expose your fakery.''.....But please no one forget that a few years back the tsbd museum put notices in the newspapers and let it be known to anyone who had films or photographs taken of the assassination to be handed into the Museum for posterity's sake and to be cared for...and they have been how many i have no idea...so imo yes whatever has been handed in can be controlled...by the tsbdm..b

I am very reluctant to disagree with Bernice Moore, because along with EVERYONE here I greatly value Bernice's contributions.

But even though I disagree with Gary Mack's REASONING AND CONCLUSIONS on fundamental issues in the case, I do not see any valid grounds to question Gary's bona fides as a researcher or as Curator of the Sixth Foor Museum. In fact I think it is great that Gary has dedicated himself to collecting and preserving the film/video/photo evidence from Dealey Plaza.

I received this email from Gary, in response to Bernice's post:

[bernice] is against The Sixth Floor Museum's quest to find, preserve, and make available previously unknown films and photographs related to the assassination. All those images are freely available for viewing at the Museum and many are on its website; they have been used extensively for the past 15 years in numerous TV news and documentary programs watched by tens of millions world wide. Researchers often copy them and marvel at their clarity when studying events in Dealey Plaza. In fact, the visual quality of the Museum's original Dorman, Hughes, Bronson, Towner and Bell films far surpasses anything Robert Groden produced. Because it is so clear, the Museum's video of the Dorman film revealed two previously unknown photographers at the corner of Elm & Houston as the limo made the fateful turn.

Without the Museum's request for people to come forward, their pictures would remain completely unknown and would never be preserved. The previously unknown Skaggs photos were days away from being dumped in the trash and the spectacular Jefferies film of Jackie in the motorcade would never have been seen outside of his son's family. Several hundred hours of local news coverage from all four local TV stations and three radio stations have also been preserved, without which such programs as The Lost JFK Tapes and JFK: Breaking The News would not, and could not, have been produced. Those programs have provided researchers with hours of footage for personal study at no charge.

Tomorrow, the Museum will receive two original 8mm films of the Kennedy arrival at Love Field, and we an 8mm home movie of the Kennedy breakfast in Fort Worth has also been promised.

As I see it, by taking such an absurd position, Bernice is advocating cover-up and the potential loss of many more potentially important images.

Gary Mack

YOU KNOW GARY POO YOU GET WORSE THE OLDER YOU GET...YOU ARE REALLY BEGINNING TO SHOW JUST HOW P/O YOU GET WHEN YOU SEND SOMEONE AN EMAIL AND THEY CHOOSE TO DELETE AND IGNORE YOUR INSULTS, BY THEN SENDING A FURTHER EMAIL TO A GOFER TO HAVE THEM POST SUCH ON A FORUM SO YOU CAN GET BACK AT THEM THERE THAT REALLY APPEARS TO BE PATHETIC..AND HOW SMALL A PERSON YOU REALLY ARE AND SHOWING SUCH TO ALL..YOU ARE SO FOS I AM A PART OF A COVER-UP..WHO IS IT THAT DOES NOT SELL CONSPIRACY HISTORY BOOKS SUCH AS WEISBERG'S THAT HAVE BEEN TAUGHT IN COLLEGE..., PENN JONES JIM FEZER'S ETC IN THE BOOK STORE AT THE TSBD THAT IS WHAT YOU AND I HAVE BEEN SQUABBLING ABOUT FOR SEVERAL YEARS NOW..YOU SAY YOU DO NOT CHOSE SUCH TO BE SOLD YET YOU SAY YOU READ ALL THE NEW BOOKS AS AVAILABLE AND THEN RECOMMEND THEM SO WHICH IS IT WITH YOUR GOBBLEY GOOK...THIS ALSO HAS COME UP ON THIS FORUM IN THE PAST..AND OTHERS ..AND IT GOES NO WHERE YOU REPLY WITH THE SAME BROKEN RECORD EXCUSES.NOTHING CHANGES ONLY YOUR BRAVADO CRAP IN THE LATEST DOCUMENTARY B/S YOU GET INVOLVED IN AND THEN ARE TRASHED.......SO STICK IT GARY POO I HAVE NOT REPLIED TO ANY OF YOUR EMAILS FOR A LONG LONG TIME AND THAT WILL CONTINUE THEY ARE DELETED NO MATTER HOW MANY POISON PEN EMAILS YOU THEN CHOOSE TO SEND OUT TO YOUR GOFERS WHO WILL SEE TO IT THAT THEY ARE POSTED AND MANY DO THE DARN FOOLS IMO YOU USER YOU..AND WHEN YOU CONTINUE TO INVOLVE OTHERS AS YOU HAVE AGAIN HERE..YOU CONTINUALLY MAKE YOURSELF APPEAR AS SMALL AS YOU REALLY ARE AND PATHETIC ..NOT THEM....AN A/H RUNS THE TSBD AND SO MANY KNOW THAT ALREADY AND YET BY THIS BEHAVIOUR YOU CONTINUALLY LET PEOPLE KNOW YOU ARE AS WELL A DARN FOOL...STOP TRYING TO INVOLVE OTHERS IN YOUR GETTING BACK AT...CHILDISH GAMES..AND TO TOP IT OFF REPLYING FOR THE PROFESSOR..HE IS MORE THAN CAPABLE AND CAN SPEAK FOR HIMSELF WHEN AND IF HE CHOOSES.....B

SORRY FOR THE CAPS THAT TIME OF NIGHT BUT UNDER THESE CIRCUMSTANCS PERHAPS BEST THE ARE CAPITALS..TA B..

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The Sixth Floor Boycott

Some time ago I had submitted the Col. Prouty CD-ROM to the Sixth Floor Museum in Dallas, for review. To make a long story short, I have been told that because it does not conform to the "Lone Assassin" theory they will not look at it. (or stock it in the bookstore).

Gary Hack who represents the Sixth Floor will not even look at the CD-ROM.! He has not replied other than his repeated, "you will be notified if we accept it"

I have since found out the Sixth Floor has an agenda to support the Warren Report. I was not aware of this myself and was very surprised. This is more evidence of the continual cover-up. I suggest and urge that anyone thinking of visiting the Sixth Floor Museum in the near future to decline. At least until they change from the official "Lone Assassin theory" that Lee Oswald shot JFK, and at least show more that one side to the story. For those of you active on internet newsgroups, I hope that the topic be can brought up and discussed especially for anyone going to Dallas.

I also understand they have refused to stock (banned) the "Assassination Science" and "Murder in Dealey Plaza" by James Fetzer. And many other good honest books

Len Osanic

If you have any comments please E-mail Len Osanic at osanic@prouty.org

Well Duncans study is done with the image in Moorman

But when you look at Willis and see how far down the retaining wall BDM is its not a stretch to say that the woman and child moved down to the very end of the wall by the time Moorman took her picture

And it has always bothered me when it is suggested in Willis that Hudson is completly covered by CardiganMan, I have looked at Willis for years and I still think Willis only shows two people on the steps not three

Could CardiganMan have ran down the steps to join Hudson right before the head shot and in between Willis and Moorman? His shape, or his and his wifes shape making the BDM image in Willis/Betzner?

Remember Hudson said there was only one other person on the steps, even though CardiganMan stood next to Hudson the other man on the steps was right in front of Hudson and he is the one who sat down

I think CardiganMan was only standing next to Hudson for a second or two before he turned around and bolted up the steps

Hudson did not notice him because he was focused on the limo

I hope that clears up where i have taken Duncans study

Dean hudson pointed out three men...b

trouble is dean anything is possible...but as i have seen it correct me jack if in error, but sitzman only mentioned the black couple after the bdgmn had been found, and at first it was 1 coke bottle that then became two, also there are many differences within her stories recall...she ran down the slope spoke to two men she thought were fbi i believe, then ran back up none of this is seen within the films, zapruder got down off the pedestal and zapruder went back to his office leaving her staNDING ALONE ON THE PEDESTAL WE DO NOT SEE THAT EITHER sorry caps... we do have one photo of her speaking with one reporter after on the sidewalk.below the pergola...and a couple of them near the tsbd standing close to beatrice hester on their way back to the office...in the tape she says two men followed her back to the office and she was very frightened, but i have never found any men immediately near or watching her at the tsbd...the tape she made some years later with her doctor a psychatrist...that i believe is still for sale..in that she relates info that does not, well fit the picture...i have done as deep a study as i could on her as far as i could go...i hit a blank wall when i contacted dallas i had been informed there were two researchers there who had done studies on her information but they were not willing apparently to share release or print what info they had found it all ended there another endeavour on a sour note amongst some that perhaps did not or do not want her possible information being released as it still has not been.so it makes one wonder ...fwiw...b

Martin i think this is the old muchmore gif...not sure... the film cut also shows it is said right at the time of the head shot in the film..which you can see imo.b .

At the same time, isn't it the requirement of the CT community to be the ones to ask questions aout everything? It is the LNTs who fall into line and allow others to do their thinking for them.

Whereas we may not agree with every single position Jack has taken, he has consistently questioned *evidence* that otherwise we might just have assumed was authentic.

Well said Pamela, and Pat back atcha ... Quote '' and consider Jack's studies a needless distraction. '' and if not for Jack and others such as he with their on going down through the 46 years of needless study as you put it Pat...such as Jones, meagher, wiesberg, lifton, prouty, etc etc etc...and ,some who were also attacked...we would still be back with only the lying crap of a government report the W/C alias the Water Closet...thank god for those who continue to think and search..b

thanks robin now yes, and only one of those are what i posted this morning...but all 3 that i posted this morning..are gone with the wind...they are in my account to be seen by whomever checks..a mod..or..adm..the pc guy... one that was different was chris davidson's muchmore frames sheet and i have checked all the pages twice and they are not posted perhaps a glitch and by tomorrow morning give it time... b

''Jack, relax. While it is true that conspiracy theorists have been unfairly attacked over the years, you have been drifting further and further away from your fellow CTs for years now, to the point where you now assert as fact that all the autopsy photos and x-rays are fake, and all the films of the assassination have been altered to support a drastically altered Zapruder film. Do you not see how "far out" that is? Do you really think those "attacking you" are part of some vast conspiracy, and not just people unable to look through the world through your prism? ''

pat again we disagree this is a habit now,,, are you saying the autopsy photographs are not altered, and when they prove positively that the zappy is altered and that is coming very close now...and then hopefully the other films..are examined fingers crossed...whatcha gonnna say for yourself... i think jack is correct in his advice i think it is time you perhaps begin to wake up and pay closer attention,to what others like doug horne have and are uncovering ... not being nasty just our usual back and forth.....b

I posted these early today before noon, they are not posted yet they are in my controls showing as if they are, i have checked every page and they are not there...a mention to any of the mods perhaps one can check and see wha hoppened... so i shall post them again for wtaw..thanks b..

p.s mod i have only posted one that i did this morning...the other 2 are different but it will not change what is shown on my account that i posted this morning,,please check thanks...just letting you know...b gif by aqbat

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/columni...,2338732.column

www.chicagotribune.com/news/columnists/chi-trice-18jan18,0,2338732.column

chicagotribune.com

Secret Service agent Abraham Bolden of Chicago served President John Kennedy as the first African-American on the White House security detail

Retiree saw race relations at their best -- and their worst -- in the 1960s

Dawn Turner Trice

January 18, 2010

Like many African-Americans of his generation, Abraham Bolden used to have a large portrait of the Rev. Martin Luther King Jr., President John F. Kennedy and Sen. Robert Kennedy displayed prominently, reverently in his living room.

But unlike many blacks of his generation, Bolden, who is 74 and has lived in the same Auburn-Gresham bungalow for 47 years, had a special relationship with each of the men. How he met the Kennedy brothers and wound up writing a letter to King is a remarkable story that begins this way:

In April 1961, Bolden was working as a Secret Service agent based in Chicago when President Kennedy arrived for a political event at McCormick Place. Bolden was assigned to guard a restroom that had been cordoned off exclusively for the president.

"My colleagues kidded me about having bathroom detail," Bolden said. "Most agents liked to be shoulder to shoulder with the president. But as fate would have it, when the president arrived that morning, he had to use the washroom."

Bolden said the president stopped at the door of the restroom to ask Bolden if he was a Secret Service agent or a Chicago policeman. Bolden told him that he was an agent.

"The president said, 'Mr. Bolden has there ever been a Negro Secret Service agent on White House detail in Washington, D.C.?' " Bolden said. "I told him, 'Not to my knowledge, Mr. President.' And he asked me if I would like to be the first, and I told him, 'Yes, sir, Mr. President.' "

Two months later, Bolden, who was 26 at the time and married, was in Washington for the Secret Service's customary 30-day stint. It would become -- as the president alluded one day while Bolden was guarding the Oval Office -- his Jackie Robinson moment.

"Being the first at that time, I ran into some harsh racism," Bolden said. "The country was a hotbed of racism, and resentment against men like Kennedy and Dr. King had infiltrated itself among the agents."

Bolden said he was shocked by how lax Kennedy's security was in D.C. and the Kennedy compound in Hyannis Port, Mass., where he met Robert Kennedy. Bolden said many agents got drunk on duty, womanized and spoke openly of their disdain for the president. He said he complained to superiors, and that is when he became a target.

"I told the chief of the United States Secret Service that if an assassination attempt was ever made on Kennedy, it would be successful because either the agents wouldn't respond or would be slow to respond," Bolden said. "The chief told me he would look into it.

"But time passed and after the president was assassinated (on Nov. 22, 1963), I kept ringing the bell." His criticisms made headlines.

Bolden went to D.C. for a special training session in May 1964. While there, he said he'd planned to try to talk to someone on the Warren Commission investigating the assassination.

But the Secret Service suddenly escorted him back to Chicago, where he was charged with soliciting a $50,000 bribe from the boss of a ring of counterfeiters. Bolden said he believes he was set up by racist agents who wanted to silence his criticisms. His trial began July 6, 1964, before U.S. District Judge Joseph Sam Perry. According to court transcripts, when the jury was deadlocked 11-1 in favor of conviction, Perry amazingly told the jury that in his opinion, Bolden was guilty. Still, the lone holdout didn't change her vote, and that trial ended in a mistrial.

Bolden was convicted after a second trial with the help of testimony from a counterfeiter who would later admit to having perjured himself. Bolden was sentenced to six years in a federal prison.

"Shortly after my conviction, I wrote a letter to Dr. King saying that if this miscarriage of justice could happen to me, it could happen to him or anyone else," said Bolden, who's unsure if his letter ever reached King.

Bolden was in prison when King was assassinated. The entire prison was on lockdown. A year later, he left prison, returning to his wife and three children. Two times he asked President Richard Nixon for a pardon, and both times he was denied. He worked as an automotive quality control supervisor before retiring in 2001.

These days Bolden travels the country, dressed in his trademark bow ties and fez hats, telling his story and promoting his memoir, "The Echo From Dealey Plaza" (where Kennedy was assassinated in Dallas).

"There were people who wanted to change the country through great force rather than the constitutional process," Bolden said. The Kennedys and King "were revered by many Americans, not just blacks, because they stood for a hope and justice that sometimes still feels hard to come by."

dtrice@tribune.com

Copyright © 2010, Chicago Tribune

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Here is part of what his response will consist of, same as he says to everyone:

1. You are very misinformed

2. You need to do more research

3. You need to read insert author's name here essay on the assassination

4. You didn't know that such-and-such evidence/photo has been altered? You are so misinformed

Instead of backing up proof with facts and visual references, he'll quote 10,000 words from another post and tell you to read up.

Note to everyone looking at the previous posts...Paul and John are relatively young. This mirrors what I discovered in Dallas this past November. For the first time in quite a while, young people are taking an interest in the case, and are not content to be talked down to and told what to think by those thinking they've got it all figured out.

Hi Pat i recognize your point but another is imo they need to learn how to ask a question properly and not in an insulting prose and yet expect a civil reply..and if they do not receive such then whine about it..there are such things as forum manners which are constantly and seemingly thrown to the wind...and also by those who are in a position that should know better ....take care b..

professor thompson....quote ''It would be stupid to fake them up because you could never know if yet another film or photo would show up to expose your fakery.''.....But please no one forget that a few years back the tsbd museum put notices in the newspapers and let it be known to anyone who had films or photographs taken of the assassination to be handed into the Museum for posterity's sake and to be cared for...and they have been how many i have no idea...so imo yes whatever has been handed in can be controlled...by the tsbdm..b

HI JACK i think the forum is flooding somewhat from so many posts give it a few minutes and check that is what i do, though one of mine has still not shown up i am sure it will eventually it just needs the time to catch up from what i see and in the motorcycle thread yours appear to have caught up..just a suggestion..best b..

Perhaps some of these will aid in the studies any gifs i am quite sure all are chris davidsons..except the smoke that is by bill miller thanks for their efforts and your time..b if i have posted any dups i will delete them to save space...

does this help..the man on the right down by the sign getting up is wiegman i also think this is one of chris davidsons....sure is xrated jack... ..b thanks robin...i think most of these are his...

hesters in wiegman not positive but i believe this was from chris davidson thanks,,,b

thank you Robin that would be so appreciated....

Jack here is the info from Harry Livingstone's books... from the same source as mentioned on rich's...

Harrison E .Livingstone : "The Radical Right and the Murder of John F Kennedy"…2004

Page 193..Two Different Versions of the Zapruder Film….

Quote: "A film of the assassination was created for public consumption as a propaganda film. That film is known as the Zapruder film, named after Abraham Zapruder -----one of the amateur camera persons in Dealey Plaza who filmed portions of the assassination.

...The film was altered in haste, and later further alterations were made as needed upon discovery of problems with the films...... Zapruder points out in his testimony to the Warren Commission that he was concerned about altered frames as a book of pictures ostensibly from his film were shown to him.."

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Zapruder testimony :Warren Commission:

http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony/zapruder.htm

Shaw Trial:

1: http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony...ruder_shaw1.htm

2: http://jfkassassination.net/russ/testimony...ruder_shaw2.htm

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Quote :"We sure would like to know how his testimony was manipulated or excised..

“A major edit of the film occurs at 132 in the transition to frame 133. One half-block of the motorcade was removed as the limousine rounded the corner from Houston onto Elm. We do not see this. We do not see this and the portion is gone that would have shown how the shots began and the fact that the limo stopped. A similar phenomena occurs in at least six other films where the same journey of the limo has been removed."

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Zapruder Film:

http://www.john-f-kennedy.net/

Brent Filmster’s Zapruder Film

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w-rcdBNFnGs

Dr.John Costello …Single Zapruder frames..

http://www.assassinationresearch.com/zfilm/

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Quote: "My investigation has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that Zapruder never stopped his camera at that point, as he repeatedly told people , and that the film was cut and optically reframed so that there is no splice. Optical reframing is the method used when a film receives " special effects" or is altered. As is explained in my book on the film, "The Hoax of the Century", there are no flash frames or evidence of "first frame over exposure" at Z-133, the transition from the three motorcycles leading the motorcade to the limousine, and it is a jump cut. I have interviewed a leading film expert in the world as well as the inventors of the camera who were trying to prevent such flash frames, and it is a certainty that the camera always produced them when it was stopped and then restarted .We do not see them at this crucial transition from one scene to another in the film.

It is reasonable that there was another person operating a camera close by Zapruder with essentially the same perspective, perhaps in the "pill box" just behind Zapruder in the pergola. This film was the one that was flown to Kodak in Rochester N.Y, as testimony indicates, altered, and Zapruder's film disappeared later on. During the massive shell game that was played with Zapruder's film before it was developed in Dallas. the other film was already in the air. Or, as I elsewhere suggested, it was being developed in either the Hester’s lab, or in a mobil film lab somewhere”. Off Quote.

Marilyn Sitzman, Charles and Beatrice Hester were filmed by Abraham Zapruder shortly before the motorcade arrived…..the same Charles Hester owned “Commercial Photography”…….

A Robert and Pat Hester were part owners, along with Fritz and Helen Holland of a company called “The National Film Company”…… The daughter of Robert & Pat Hester, Vicky Mayne who worked in the lab, of TNFC, told Harrison Livingstone that they had actually developed numerous films and photographs, including photos taken of the President’s body at Parkland. ..upon which seeing, she threw up…She also mentioned that she helped develop the Zapruder film….

Below from “Killing The Truth” H.E Livingstone..

Vickie Mayne : Page 511

“ Vickie Mayne was sixteen on the day that John Kennedy died. She helped

do the work in her parents film lab when the Secret Service brought in

all the photos, films, and the Zapruder film they had rounded up in

Dealey Plaza. She told me that she had seen the photographs of

Kennedy's body taken at Parkland Hospital, a fact that no outsider was

aware of. She remembered this with great clarity because she threw up

upon seeing them. What else could make her throw up but pictures of a

dead body and terrible wounds?

Two couples owned the lab, the National Photo Company, and the Secret

Service supposedly allowed them to retain copies of all the pictures

they developed that day. If this is true, it would seem an unlikely

scenario that the Secret Service conspired to kill President Kennedy.

Another interpretation is that the passing of copies to outside

witnesses was for their S.Ss own protection. Some of

the Secret Service agents had testified to other guns and the sounds of

pistols. They must have known it was a conspiracy, and their later

descriptions of the wounds were not in line with the Warren Commission

story.

In any event, the home of Vickie Mayne's parents burned down some time

later, and the treasure trove in it---if that is where it was----burned

with it. "There were hundreds and hundreds of rolls of film," she told

me.Mayne said the fire was determined to be arson. Healey told me

that he knew of the trove and that Mayne's parents had, had this

material. Vickie told me that her family still had the materials when

her mother died in June 1987.

Her parents were Robert and Pat (Edna) Hester. The other couple was

Fritz and Helen Holland, both deceased and leaving no children.”

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Harry recalls information given to him in Dallas, by a confidential informant who seemed to have significant knowledge on all aspects of the case.

He uses the alias “George Healey” in the book...

from Page: 537.”Killing the Truth”.

“Healey told me something I had heard from others. I had asked him if

anyone knew the whole story who was alive.

There are only two people

left alive that have most of the story. Nobody has the whole picture

because that's not the way it was designed. It was the need-to-know

factor. Probably only two people still living that can corroborate what

you are seeking. Not myself."

"Who are they? Who knows what happened?"

"Lady Bird Johnson, I think, is one." He hesitated and said, "J.

Walter Moore, the CIA guy in Dallas, told me he'll never talk."

"Does he know anything?"

"Yes." Moore died in 1993.

"Was Mac Wallace one of the shooters?"

"Maybe, I don't know that he was or wasn't."

"The Zapruder film could very well be a forgery," Healey said with

a knowing tone in his voice.

If the original never left Dallas and the

forgery was done right there before Life and the Secret Service got

their copies that would explain a lot of things.

From Page: 540

“at the end of the plot, when John Kennedy was dead, power had passed to

the Secret Team, the operational hand of The Club. From that moment on,

elected government in the United States had a lot less meaning.

A keystone of the murder was faked evidence, and that included the films

and photographs. Not only were the autopsy pictures and X-rays forged,

but also the Zapruder and other films may have been tampered with. A

reliable source told me that he doesn't think Life ever had the original

Zapruder film. "Numerous copies were made," he told me.

The copies were distributed as follows:

1. FBI lab.

2. Dallas FBI office.

3. Washington, D.C., FBI office.

4. Henry Wade

5. Dallas Police

6. & 7. One copy each for the two couples who owned the film lab.

8. Secret Service copy.

9. Somewhere along the line, H.L. Hunt had his copy from the start.

That's ten.

Zapruder and ultimately, Life had what they thought was the original.

Anyone who doesn't think that law enforcement would copy and keep

copies

of such sensational evidence is naive.. The Zapruder film was obtained

at once by the conspirators and forged. The large hole extending into

the back of Kennedy's head was blacked out to mask this exit wound,

and

a large, fleshy exit wound was painted onto the film on Kennedy's face.

A new "original" was struck from the fake film. It took very little time to

doctor the few frames involved.

George Healey said that he SAW pictures in Washington, D.C., of John

Kennedy's body taken at Parkland before the body was taken to the

autopsy in Maryland.

This was the fourth person who told us he or she saw these pictures.

Along with Joe Cody, Vicky Mayne, and one other..

We know they were taken at Parkland because some saw them before the body

ever reached Washington.

Joe Cody later denied that he saw such photographs.

Somebody could have used a small spy camera a Minox to

take them, and Diana Bowron and others never saw the pictures being taken.

End of information from “Killing the Truth” Harry Livingstone

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