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    South Knoll Shooter

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    I must agree, your information re the south side shot imo is entirely a different subject in it's own in the area of tosh and his observations in being there that day etc.but are ..two separate fields but similar and relating to each other in a very important way... and we need it to come together but not if tosh leaves though he has always been very open and wanting such looked into and released so it could have been time for the researchers to have had both side in otherwards but not if his bag has been packed, imo tosh i cannot understand your doing so, in the past i have broken a thread with other info and have been asked the same to start a new thread, and have done so, so have many others so you could also. it's no big deal....if you do want all out there so it can possibley be worked on and connected..sorry to repeat myself but this kind of thing cheeses me off and it shows as a rule...take care all i shall too...best b..

    a couple of others b..the second one if from tosh's approximate area...of view ...

    South Knoll Shooter

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    imo doug and all that would be a great source if we could have threads of both tosh's info of a south side of elm thread and this one to continue..there has been much information being released and offered by doug in this thread am i now surprised it has been halted to some degree..no not in the least it really was going too well, seems that happens not faultng anyone but that does seem to happen often...please continue tosh if possible.and if you do want your information out there if not it cannot be looked into any further can it..??.tosh thanks for your information it is always of great interest to many others....why pack up your bags so quickly AND LEAVE STAY AND stART A NEW THREAD COPY AND PASTE all YOUR INFO AND TEACH THOSE WHO DO WANT TO ACCESS SUCH, or let them down, your call..best b..please excuse the caps and muddled typing..txs

    Mr. and Mrs. Hester...who were they

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    Thanks Bernice,

    That would be my work.

    As I have stated many times before, the same photo method which brought Charles Hester out of the shadows (or whoever it is) in Bell, shows this stranger inside the pergola.

    chris

    thanks chris appreciated i almost mentioned your name again but thought i should not too often for all that comes up, but i shall now will mark it...it appears there may have been something serious to that old pergolman research, that thread may still be on here, i shall have a look many thanks again...b :lol:

    Mr. and Mrs. Hester...who were they

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    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    I have been off the web since last friday, in trying to play catch up,and going through files, i have found this copy of a bell frame..david you poise some good thoughts why there is so little known and the why of charles actions that day all in relation to the zapruder film being taken , that immediate area also including in relation to the little known marilyn sitzman from the researchers the investigations and so on..one wonders why...jack this frame copy from bell i have found reminds me of the pergolaman in some ways...i must say i do not know where it came from sorry bout that if anyone recognizes it as their work please step up...whatever or whomever it is,or if anything...please have a go all,with your thoughts.someone is already in the pergola awaiting the others it would appear...if.....thanks b...

    Mr. and Mrs. Hester...who were they

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    Jack.

    I have been looking at Beatrice Hester in Bronson.

    I beleive that the white object she is holding in Bronson, which can also be seen lying on the ground in Weigman and Bell may be a white coat.

    If you look at the clearer frame i posted from the start of the Zapruder film, there appears to be a coat behind Beatrice thrown across the back of the park bench.

    coat in the shadow on her left, coat seen in sunlight on her right.

    Also Sitzmans large black hand back can be seen sitting on the bench in front of Beatrice's right hand.

    IN THE GIF AS MARILYN TURNS HER BLACK BAG IS ON HER LEFT ARM..RIGHT ON JACK..B

    siz_zap.jpg

    Sitzman's handbag is hanging on her arm.

    Jack

    Mr. and Mrs. Hester...who were they

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    thanks robin another good clear frame, i agree marilyn sitzman's actions as seen within the films taken after do not coincide with what she stated she had done ..no matter how some may want to twist it, that simply no longer works...take care b

    thanks chris for showing up very appreciated to try to make sense within all this...best b..

    Mr. and Mrs. Hester...who were they

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    thanks robin great clear Murray...problem another with Marilyn in her info nowhere ever have i come across her mentioning that she ever dropped by the first pergola...she says the two men followed her back to the office and she was scared she also says i believe she thought when she first spoke to them after running down the knoll and talking to them on the south side, that they were fbi....b

    ps todd yes it is the bell...ta

    Mr. and Mrs. Hester...who were they

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted

    Harry Holmes (looking through binoculars from the fifth floor of the Terminal

    Annex building, on the other side of Dealey Plaza, two blocks south of

    Elm Street), April 2, 1964: “I saw many people down on the ground, and I

    have one particular couple in mind hat I had watched on a bench, sitting

    on a park bench that the man had this woman down. I remember my

    impression at the time that he was trying to take a gun away from her, or

    something, and by that time I decided maybe there was a gun involved in

    it instead of firecrackers. He had her down on the ground. But then it

    later developed that he was trying to protect her from the shots. But then

    I didn’t know that at the time. And I did watch her as they got up.” [Warren

    Commission testimony: 7H291]

    b

    Mr. and Mrs. Hester...who were they

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    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    It seems that nobody is interested in discussing the Wiegman Hesters and Zapruder Hesters

    except Bernice. Why is that?

    Jack

    hi jack , well it was dixie that brought this thread back to life so i know she is interested . and really i have been watching for info on them for years and picking up what bits and typing out from books etc i have read or whatever wee gems may appear on the sites, because of the connection to marilyn that day and the peggy burney info to the contrary that she was with zapruder and filmed from the street......but there is very little there not much and only in the Livingstone book was anything new that came out in ages of which i was grateful if it is not out there or is known by say the dallas people and is not released for others by them then it is that continuing brick wall..i mention at times....many thanks for your input this thread turned out to be informative and a saver...best b..if i have doubled with any photos below that have been posted so far i will check and delete to save resources...take care all best ..two did not take so you must open them...

    Thanks, Bernice, for the Hester stuff. See attachment with questions. A little progress.

    I still think that WiegHester and ZapHesters are not the same couples, based on the

    dress Beatrice is wearing.

    Jack

    PS. I need to clarify "where is her husband?" by comparing this image to others.

    Obviously there is a black shape that is supposed to be him. I intended to rework

    that sentence.

    jack contact chris davidson seems to me that he did research on the black shape with some and came to the conclusion it was wiegman himself look in that direction the thread may be here on the f but is so i have no idea the title perhaps he will come along or and will find it...best b..

    is this any help bell...

    Mr. and Mrs. Hester...who were they

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    It seems that nobody is interested in discussing the Wiegman Hesters and Zapruder Hesters

    except Bernice. Why is that?

    Jack

    hi jack , well it was dixie that brought this thread back to life so i know she is interested . and really i have been watching for info on them for years and picking up what bits and typing out from books etc i have read or whatever wee gems may appear on the sites, because of the connection to marilyn that day and the peggy burney info to the contrary that she was with zapruder and filmed from the street......but there is very little there not much and only in the Livingstone book was anything new that came out in ages of which i was grateful if it is not out there or is known by say the dallas people and is not released for others by them then it is that continuing brick wall..i mention at times....many thanks for your input this thread turned out to be informative and a saver...best b..if i have doubled with any photos below that have been posted so far i will check and delete to save resources...take care all best ..two did not take so you must open them...

    Mr. and Mrs. Hester...who were they

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    yes jack charles died in 67 from a heart attack post #32 when two researchers one Jaynes went to the town where she had moved to after remarrying they could not find her...that is about all i have other than the earlier info i posted...I think the 5'10" for Marilyn came from me from rich's in a post going by the info that beverly had told me...I am still looking for that to be sure of what exactly she said but the i think she said her height was 5.'8" and she always wore the highest of heels at least two inches then she mentioned seeing marilyn eye to eye when they met so that would make her approx 5'10 " well both of them .but it also appears in the photo i posted that marilyn has sandals on flats and bev did tell me she had on very high heels...which would then make her taller than bev if bev had not had the high heels on..2 inches taller possibly....for now..FWIW b..

    Why do I have to do all of the photo analysis?

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    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    thanks John i recall that thread conversation i have i believe yours a photo showing what you thought could be possible shot lines coming at the limo..from that specific area......it was always a possible site for a shooter...with quick access to a get away vehicle..and dpd pouring up behind into the area the motorcylists re sitzman i believe as well as zapruder definetly mentioned...and Bowers mentioning also how many dpd were there so quickly after...thanks b..

    Why do I have to do all of the photo analysis?

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    Hi John question do you really think that when they built the cement pergolas they would over humps in the ground i would think the grounds would be made as evenly flat as possible before pouring any cement foundations.or beginning any other updatings.....thoughts..thanks or do think someone perhaps dumped something along there.??..thanks take care b

    Mr. and Mrs. Hester...who were they

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    chris here is one showing both marilyn and bev oliver at a symposium in dallas some years back 1993 i was in contact with bev to ask how tall marilyn was as she was a big girl, both were big texan girls... :wacko: she said bev, that she always wore very high heels and she recalls that marilyn was about the same height as she eye to eye.when they met...i will look up bev's height that she told me she was and she also mentioned i think the height of the heels you will see other witnesses there thay day in the photo, her height can be compared to theirs also..if known .for now b..ps in another photo of marilyn taken at the dallas symposium it appears she marilyn wore flats notice her shoes also in this photo..see what you think..to me they appear to be sandals.... pps in the third photo m.s it at the first pergola whicch she never mentioned...b

    Mr. and Mrs. Hester...who were they

    in JFK Assassination Debate

    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    i have no idea right now of the measurements will need to dig one out unless dixie's are readily handy...the kerchiefs we wore of the silken material were large squares that you then folder into a triangle placed over your head and tied under your chin.now and again they are stillused....it would appear that she had perhaps taken it off and replaced it back on her head if so and the corners did not meet exactly that could account for the ties appearing of different lengths...there are two more of marilyn i believe i will find and post...thanks chris muches... :wacko: b

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