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    SOUTH KNOLL #2

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    Thank You Cliff for taking the time to gather and post all the above. It is certainly food for thought and does seem to fit a common thread of the time.

    You're welcome, Tosh. It's great to bounce this stuff to ya. There's more...Laos

    was one end of the teeter-totter. The other end was Cuba...

    Some years ago I saw a document that indicated that JFK was going to fire LBJ, or take him off the ticket in the next election. It seems some of the Texas questions about LBJ and his early illegal politics he engaged in had became known to the Kennedy administration and the DoJ. Mac Wallace was mentioned in that document. Does anyone have a copy of that document or information concerning the investigation into LBJ's activities done by Bobby Kennedy?

    i have no idea if this may be what you saw i do not recall such other than this that is available.fwiw..b

    http://www.ratical.com/ratville/JFK/Hoover.html

    The case of the missing man in black...

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    i'll try not to fumferr.....

    .....but for what reason/motive would the animators have for removing characters from the sidewalk on Houston?

    and I am not trying to disagree with the study (which is pretty good), just trying to understand the purpose of this alteration. Everything has a purpose.

    All these old films of the motorcade have strange things going on, it's 1963, the footage is of poor quality, so one should expect to see anomolies throughout.

    HI JOHN YES THEY ARE 63 FOOTAGE BUT MANY OF THE FILMS HAVE BEEN UPDATED AND DIGITALIZED...CHRIS COULD EXPLAIN MUCH IN THAT AREA FOR YOU..WHAT ARE SEEN TODAY IS MUCH BETTER THAN WHEN TAKEN...THEY ARE ALSO STABILIZED....THE THING IS THERE IS SIMPLY TOO MANY ANOMALIES AND ODDITIES FOUND AND SEEN TO HAVE BEEN A RESULT OF POOR FOOTAGE TODAY OR COINCIDENCE, THE WHY THEY WOULD CHANGE MEN STANDING ON HOUSTON...I REALLY DO NOT HAVE ANY SATISFACTORY ANSWER..EXCEPT THEY COULD SO IT APPEARS THEY DID...PERHAPS JACK MAY HAVE..THANKS B..

    South Knoll Shooter

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    tosh here you go..THIS BTW WAS TAKEN FROM THE SOUTH SIDE OVERPASS FOR DOUG WELDON'S DOCUMENTARY .b

    At the moment of impact, which way was the Presidents head turned.., and too was his body leaning to the left?

    Can anyone figure out the degree line of sight of the fatal head shot taking into account the slight curve in Elm street to the south and the leaning of the President to his left and the head turn and tell me what those degrees mean and how it effects the line of sight of a north knoll picket fence shot?

    TOSH IAM SINCERELY HOPING ONE OF THE FELLAS STEP IN WITH THE DEGREES ETC..NOT IN MY SCOPE AT ALL SORRY...I HAVE FOUND A PHOTO OF TWO OF YOUR PLANES, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE IT..THEY DO NOT APPEAR TO BE IN THE SAME TIME FRAME RE YOUR POST TO PETER BUT FWIIW...ALSO I FOUND A PHOTO THAT LEE FOREMAN TOOK ON ONE OF HIS MANY PHOTO ADVENTURES TO THE DEALEY AREA IT SHOWS A PATHWAY THAT WOULD DESCEND TOWARDS AND DOWN TO THE PARKING LOT BELOW...FROM THE SOUTH CORNER OF THE OVERPASS..END OF THE WALL IT APPEARS TO ME, NOW THOUGHT IF THIS PATH WAS THERE IN 63 AND I AM THINKING PERHAPS IT COULD HAVE BEEN AS I IMAGINE THE KIDS HAVE USED IT PERHAPS FOR YEARS JUST TO GET AWAY FOR AWHILE ON THE EMBANKMENT PERHAPS, WELL IT COULD HAVE BEEN USED PERHAPS FOR A SHOOTER HIDDEN AT THE END OF THAT SOUTH CORNER THAT JUTS OUT AS YOU AND HAS BEEN MENTIONED IN THE PAST TO HAVE HIDDEN, AND AFTER DOWN THE PATH SLOPE TO THE PARKING LOT OR THE OTHER WAY AROUND FROM THE PARKING LOT AND UP OVER THE TRACKS...??? JUST SOME RAMBLE...TAKE CARE B...PS THANKS LEE...ALSO ONE OF THE CANCELLARE ( tOO LARGE TO BE UPLOADED WILL MAKE SMALLER AND THEN POST...THAT LEE STUDIED AND MARKED FOR YOU...AND HIS OVERPASS SHOT..SORRY TOSH EVERY ONE OF THEM IS MUCH TOO LARGE TO UPLOAD I WILL DOWNSIZE THEM AND THEN BE BACK AND POST...B ALL PLEASE EXCUSE THE CAPS THANKS...PPS TOSH TAKE NOTICE IN DOUG WELDON'S PHOTO SHT FROM THE SOTH OVERPASS THE ACTOR HAS HIS HEAD TURNED TO THE LEFT AS YOU MENTIONED...THE PRESIDENT HAD...TA B NONE OF THE PHOTOS ARE UPLOADING NOT EVEN THOSE OF CORRECT SIZE THERE MUST BE A PROBLEM BETWEEN MY GREMLIN AND THE FORUM OR IT'S SETTINGS OR HARDWARE PERHAPS HELP... :):blink:

    HERE ARE THE PHOTOS TOSH NO PROBLEMS TODAY...BEST B

    Thanks Bernice. I just got back from Juarez and will try to catch. Does not seem like much interest so should not have much to do. Seems when I ask questions they are not answered, but I do bust my butt to answer any questions in detail. Present company excepted. Perhaps I have had too long a day. I was at the Juarez Morgue today it was a chilling sight. The Mexico matter is a very serious matter and effects our National Security along this border. However that is another matter.

    The DC-3 is the one used in Dallas. At one time I said I did not think it was the one used in Dallas, but found out later the tail number and resignation did match It had been repainted and used in Iran Contra operations when I found it some years ago at White Rock Aviation airport near Dallas Texas. At one time it had been registered. to Atlantic Richfield of Texas. The D-18 Twin Beach is the one Lester Murphy flew into the Dominican Republic in the late fifties. Thanks for posting these old pictures. I hope the one sent to Bud Finisterwald is of some use to you.

    Bud had a great thought that are should have been gone over with a metal detector...but the area was never treated as a crime scene...just as if another day in Dealey let the traffic through..btw not a pleasant place to visit any morgue...glad you are back and that is behind you for now...thanks...b

    South Knoll Shooter

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    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    tosh here you go..THIS BTW WAS TAKEN FROM THE SOUTH SIDE OVERPASS FOR DOUG WELDON'S DOCUMENTARY .b

    At the moment of impact, which way was the Presidents head turned.., and too was his body leaning to the left?

    Can anyone figure out the degree line of sight of the fatal head shot taking into account the slight curve in Elm street to the south and the leaning of the President to his left and the head turn and tell me what those degrees mean and how it effects the line of sight of a north knoll picket fence shot?

    TOSH IAM SINCERELY HOPING ONE OF THE FELLAS STEP IN WITH THE DEGREES ETC..NOT IN MY SCOPE AT ALL SORRY...I HAVE FOUND A PHOTO OF TWO OF YOUR PLANES, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE IT..THEY DO NOT APPEAR TO BE IN THE SAME TIME FRAME RE YOUR POST TO PETER BUT FWIIW...ALSO I FOUND A PHOTO THAT LEE FOREMAN TOOK ON ONE OF HIS MANY PHOTO ADVENTURES TO THE DEALEY AREA IT SHOWS A PATHWAY THAT WOULD DESCEND TOWARDS AND DOWN TO THE PARKING LOT BELOW...FROM THE SOUTH CORNER OF THE OVERPASS..END OF THE WALL IT APPEARS TO ME, NOW THOUGHT IF THIS PATH WAS THERE IN 63 AND I AM THINKING PERHAPS IT COULD HAVE BEEN AS I IMAGINE THE KIDS HAVE USED IT PERHAPS FOR YEARS JUST TO GET AWAY FOR AWHILE ON THE EMBANKMENT PERHAPS, WELL IT COULD HAVE BEEN USED PERHAPS FOR A SHOOTER HIDDEN AT THE END OF THAT SOUTH CORNER THAT JUTS OUT AS YOU AND HAS BEEN MENTIONED IN THE PAST TO HAVE HIDDEN, AND AFTER DOWN THE PATH SLOPE TO THE PARKING LOT OR THE OTHER WAY AROUND FROM THE PARKING LOT AND UP OVER THE TRACKS...??? JUST SOME RAMBLE...TAKE CARE B...PS THANKS LEE...ALSO ONE OF THE CANCELLARE ( tOO LARGE TO BE UPLOADED WILL MAKE SMALLER AND THEN POST...THAT LEE STUDIED AND MARKED FOR YOU...AND HIS OVERPASS SHOT..SORRY TOSH EVERY ONE OF THEM IS MUCH TOO LARGE TO UPLOAD I WILL DOWNSIZE THEM AND THEN BE BACK AND POST...B ALL PLEASE EXCUSE THE CAPS THANKS...PPS TOSH TAKE NOTICE IN DOUG WELDON'S PHOTO SHT FROM THE SOTH OVERPASS THE ACTOR HAS HIS HEAD TURNED TO THE LEFT AS YOU MENTIONED...THE PRESIDENT HAD...TA B NONE OF THE PHOTOS ARE UPLOADING NOT EVEN THOSE OF CORRECT SIZE THERE MUST BE A PROBLEM BETWEEN MY GREMLIN AND THE FORUM OR IT'S SETTINGS OR HARDWARE PERHAPS HELP... :):blink:

    HERE ARE THE PHOTOS TOSH NO PROBLEMS TODAY..you had mentioned a photo of the limo i believe taken at love with a stain on the carpet in the back perhaps this is the one you meant....and showing the thickness of the asphalt a few years back....BEST B

    PHOTOS NOT UPLOADING

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    Posted

    Bernice, perhaps you have reached your personal quota.

    Try deleting some old attachments. If I can recall this can be done in "My controls" towards the top right of the screen.

    Antti

    thanks antti i did some just the other day but thanks for the reminder i will check on my space ..b

    A shot fired through the front of the windshield- To Barb and Jerry

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    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    alt

    The most direct evidence we have concerning the windshield is photographic.... the undamaged windshield apparent in Altgens #6 and the windshield damage apparent in Altgens #7. The damage in Altgens #7 matches the location and character of both Frazier's notes and the photo he took of the windshield in the early morning hours of November 23rd. The results of Frazier's examination of the windshield is echoed in various reports from percipient witnesses including Secret Service agents who passed their fingers over the windshield to determine whether there was a perforation. All of this is very direct evidence from Noveber 22nd and 23rd and indicates the windshield was struck a glancing blow from the rear leaving a lead smear on the interior surface of the windshield. Are Altgens' photos to be disbelieved? Have they been altered? What about Frazier's photo? Was it altered or was it just faked up after the fact? Was Frazier and his crime scene search unit all part of some consiracy to hide the fact of a hole in he windshield?

    You say a lot about Whitaker but very little about the evidence from November 22nd and 23rd that has the most probative significance. Or does "probative significance" not matter anymore once we are in the hall of mirrors where ever widening conspiracy makes white black and black white?

    For starters, how about telling us what you make of Altgens #6?

    Josiah Thompson

    The real issue seems to be that there is a lot riding on a t+t hole in the windshield in the location of the *spiral nebulae*. To some in the Weldon camp, it defines conspiracy; without it, we might as well just cave in and say that LHO acted alone. So don't expect any sort of logic or objectivity. This is a matter of a fanatical religious faith, and can only be debated on that basis.

    I disagree. The gyrations and shenanigans and ordering of multiple windshields and all the secrecy regarding the limo

    would never have occurred unless there were a T&T hole in the windshield. If the windshield was undamaged, there

    would never have been all the secret activity regarding it.

    Jack: I think that is a valid point and can also be applied to other areas in reference to the assassination.

    Not only did the shenanigans of the ss control the windshield evidence that disappeared and the secrecy in regard to such but for another big sized illegal gem they pulled off that they had within their grasp.. the tv parkland press tapes of the news interviews taken of the doctors interviews especially DR.PERRY stating 3 times the throat wound was from the front..

    The w/c asked in writing of the secret service twice for the tapes and records of nbc abc and cbs networks none could be found .the DALLAS TV EXEC JOE LONG of radio station klif stated the original recordings had been seized by the SS Agents ss chief rowley in march of 64 twice stated that the transcripts of the malcolm perry press conference could not be located...

    this is one of the BIG LIES of the us government perpetrated about the assassination...on doug hornes copy of the w/h transcript 1327-C which ironically surfaced years later in the LBJ library is stamped the information with an automated us gov.date stamp time.......''RECEIVED U/S.SECRET SERVICE 1963 NOV 26AM 1140 OFFICE OF THE CHIEF ''.......WITH SAYS THAT THE TRANSCRIPT THAT COULD NOT BE FOUND BY ROWLEY WAS RECEIVED BY HIS OWN OFFICE THE DAY AFTER THE FUNERAL OF THE PRESIDENT...excuse caps thankyou...the ss conducted it's own investigation for about one month until it was forced to cease by the fbi so it would not to be believable if an apologist were to speculate that the tape was simply ''lost in the files''there was is no possible benign excuse worthy of belief for the letter Rowley signed out to J.LEE RANKIN..on march 25th 1964...THE US SS WAS INVOLVED IN THE COVER-UP OF THE TRUE NATURE OF president kennedy's death...and rowley's letter to rankin proves it...white house transcript 1327-C and rowley's march 25th letter together constitute a ''smoking gun'' documents in the cover-up of the kennedy assassination information ..from .doug p horne page 647 648 book 2 inside the arrb....THIS ALSO WOULD NEVER HAVE OCCURED IF THERE HAD NOT BEEN A DR.PERRY STATING THREE TIMES DURING THE TAPED INTERVIEWS THAT THE WOUND IN THE NECK WAS AN ENTRANCE WOUND.....b

    PHOTOS NOT UPLOADING

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    CAN ANYONE ELSE NOT POST ANY PHOTOS?????? HAVE WE PERHAPS RUN OUT OF SPACE POSSIBLY...IT DID NOT MATTER TOO LARGE OR SMALL I TRIED TO POST IN TOSH'S THREAD NOT EVEN THE SMALLEST UPLOADED OR IS IT MY VERY OWN GREMLIN...THANKS B... :blink:

    South Knoll Shooter

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    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    tosh here you go..THIS BTW WAS TAKEN FROM THE SOUTH SIDE OVERPASS FOR DOUG WELDON'S DOCUMENTARY .b

    At the moment of impact, which way was the Presidents head turned.., and too was his body leaning to the left?

    Can anyone figure out the degree line of sight of the fatal head shot taking into account the slight curve in Elm street to the south and the leaning of the President to his left and the head turn and tell me what those degrees mean and how it effects the line of sight of a north knoll picket fence shot?

    TOSH IAM SINCERELY HOPING ONE OF THE FELLAS STEP IN WITH THE DEGREES ETC..NOT IN MY SCOPE AT ALL SORRY...I HAVE FOUND A PHOTO OF TWO OF YOUR PLANES, YOU MAY OR MAY NOT HAVE IT..THEY DO NOT APPEAR TO BE IN THE SAME TIME FRAME RE YOUR POST TO PETER BUT FWIIW...ALSO I FOUND A PHOTO THAT LEE FOREMAN TOOK ON ONE OF HIS MANY PHOTO ADVENTURES TO THE DEALEY AREA IT SHOWS A PATHWAY THAT WOULD DESCEND TOWARDS AND DOWN TO THE PARKING LOT BELOW...FROM THE SOUTH CORNER OF THE OVERPASS..END OF THE WALL IT APPEARS TO ME, NOW THOUGHT IF THIS PATH WAS THERE IN 63 AND I AM THINKING PERHAPS IT COULD HAVE BEEN AS I IMAGINE THE KIDS HAVE USED IT PERHAPS FOR YEARS JUST TO GET AWAY FOR AWHILE ON THE EMBANKMENT PERHAPS, WELL IT COULD HAVE BEEN USED PERHAPS FOR A SHOOTER HIDDEN AT THE END OF THAT SOUTH CORNER THAT JUTS OUT AS YOU AND HAS BEEN MENTIONED IN THE PAST TO HAVE HIDDEN, AND AFTER DOWN THE PATH SLOPE TO THE PARKING LOT OR THE OTHER WAY AROUND FROM THE PARKING LOT AND UP OVER THE TRACKS...??? JUST SOME RAMBLE...TAKE CARE B...PS THANKS LEE...ALSO ONE OF THE CANCELLARE ( tOO LARGE TO BE UPLOADED WILL MAKE SMALLER AND THEN POST...THAT LEE STUDIED AND MARKED FOR YOU...AND HIS OVERPASS SHOT..SORRY TOSH EVERY ONE OF THEM IS MUCH TOO LARGE TO UPLOAD I WILL DOWNSIZE THEM AND THEN BE BACK AND POST...B ALL PLEASE EXCUSE THE CAPS THANKS...PPS TOSH TAKE NOTICE IN DOUG WELDON'S PHOTO SHT FROM THE SOTH OVERPASS THE ACTOR HAS HIS HEAD TURNED TO THE LEFT AS YOU MENTIONED...THE PRESIDENT HAD...TA B NONE OF THE PHOTOS ARE UPLOADING NOT EVEN THOSE OF CORRECT SIZE THERE MUST BE A PROBLEM BETWEEN MY GREMLIN AND THE FORUM OR IT'S SETTINGS OR HARDWARE PERHAPS HELP... :blink::blink:

    South Knoll Shooter

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    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    Bernice,

    Thanks. It is apparent from Foster's statement that a train passed soon after the shooting. White simply had the train arrive sooner to coincide with the shooting and block his view of it.

    I don't wish to make another thread. I just want an opinion as to how the 3 tramps were caught on a train. Did they want to get caught? Was this a ruse so the real shooters could get away? Apparently, they weren't on the train that passed after the shooting.

    Kathy C

    KATHY THE THREE TRAMPS WE HAVE PHOTOS OF FROM MY RESEARCH WHICH I ADMIT IS LACKING IN THIS AREA ARE THE THREE TAKEN OFF THE FREIGHT TRAIN SEE D.V HARKNESS..DPD FOR MORE INFO...THERE WERE I BELIEVE THREE OTHERS ARRESTED HAVE IT SOMEWHERE...FROM A BOX CAR ON THE SOUTH SIDE OF THE OVERPASS WHO WERE ALSO TAKEN IN, OTHERS WERE ARRESTED THAT DAY BUT NOTHING RECORDED IM MANY CASES THAT WE KNOW OF I DO BELIEVE..AND THEY WERE SIMPLY LET GO....B

    http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/harkness.htm

    South Knoll Shooter

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    I HAVE FOUND THIS PHOTO FROM A PAST THREAD ON THE EF DONE THE PHOTO I BELIEVE BY JOHN DOLVA IN REFERENCE TO THE GUNSMOKE ODOR..IS THIS ABOUT CORRECT AS IT GOES...THANKS B PS HOPE YOU DO NOT MIND THE POSTING OF SERGIO'S PHOTO IT HAS BEEN IN THE PAST ON HERE THAT'S HOW I SNAGGLED IT...

    South Knoll Shooter

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    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    TOSH YOUR WELCOME AND WHEN YOU GET A MOMENT..PLEASE ..IF AND WHEN...THE GUNSMOKE ODOR THAT LINGERED IN THE AREA AS I BELIEVE YOU MENTIONED IN A PAST THREAD AS YOU CLIMBED THE EMBANKMENT WOULD YOU HAVE THOUGHT THAT COULD HAVE BEEN LINGERING FROM THE PARKING LOT AREA SHOWN IN CANCELLARE...THANKS...B

    Why was this man carrying a toy dog...

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    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    Bernice,

    That is not his left arm.

    His left arm is folded across his waist.

    It is holding something which leads through his armpit and droops back behind his left leg.

    It looks like an arm and hand or is supposed to be an arm/hand, but is not, and can't be. (Anatomically speaking).

    It also seems as if the drooping hand attached to the drooping arm disappears for a few frames. Watch closely.

    See if this looped movie helps.

    chris

    i agree chris anatomically impossible that is why i posted such..like it is looney time in the films...but does it appear to you.that the hand appears to perhaps even move and scratch or something..i know blowing in the wind....really wierd...?????? thanks b :)

    Chris...that is my point...IT IS ANATOMICALLY INCORRECT!

    I must disagree with your assessment. Watch the entire sequence IN MOTION. You

    clearly see THE ARM SWING, THE THUMB EXTEND, ETC.

    What you see as his folded arm appears to be a broad black belt which goes around

    his waist and is seen in back.

    I will be glad to do a complete study of the man, but it is unnecessary if one watches

    IN MOTION as the "arm" swings and the thumb extends. It is ALL ANIMATION, and

    poorly done. The best way to view it is ONE FRAME AT A TIME.

    Jack

    Jack,

    I totally agree.

    It is anatomically incorrect.

    I do see the incorrect anatomic arm swing and extending thumb.

    But I also see his left arm folded across his waist. (red arrow) Which is a different color than the black waist stripe.

    I'm still with you on this and if others will look a bit closer, they might see a missing leg. (red box)

    chris

    F. Lee Mudd

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    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    hudson and the red shirt man got down the third man took off up the stairs you see him in his white shirt running up the stairs..also..but in one of the photos and it may be willis 5 he is just seen in align with the lamp post. if i can ever find it i shall...best.b

    F. Lee Mudd

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    Posted · Edited by Bernice Moore

    MUCHMOORE FRAMES

    BOND TOWNER MAN PEERING OVER FENCE .ON THE EXTREME RIGHT THAT WAS MENTIONED...

    .MAY HELP.SORRY THE LARGE TOWNER IS TOO BIG TO UPLOAD..SO A SMALLER VERSION HAS BEEN...B

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