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  1. I worked for a company that had around 180 employees in the same building and I knew every single person by first and last name.

    For Gary to say they probably didnt know each other after 7 years of working for the same company is crazy

    So before anyone starts a conspiracy theory based on Nardis, they need to research the company.

    For Gary to assume to tell anyone what or what not that they should do is his own conspiracy....

  2. Friday, Mar. 12, 1965

    The "FBI Report"

    Last Dec. 1, in closed hearings held by the Senate Rules Committee investigating the Bobby Baker case, Mary land Insurance Agent Don B. Reynolds leveled a barrage of charges against Democrats in high office, testified to parties where "beauties and whisky and money flowed freely." Only last week was the substance of Reynolds' testimony made public — along with the release of a 30-page document rebutting Reynolds' charges, one by one, which the Rules Committee chairman, North Carolina's Democratic Senator B. Everett Jordan, pretentiously called "the FBI report."

    Among the charges and rebuttals:

    > Reynolds said that Bobby Baker had told him that "the leader" —meaning then Vice President Lyndon Johnson— had "interceded" to make sure that the controversial $10 billion TFX fighter-bomber contract was awarded to General Dynamics Corp. The so-called FBI report quoted Defense Secretary Robert McNamara as saying that any claim of official pressure brought to bear about the TFX contract was "definitely and categorically" wrong.

    > Reynolds said that a Grumman Aircraft official, anxious to land a fat TFX subcontract, visited Baker's Capitol office, left behind a bulging blue flight bag containing $100,000 in "hundred dollar bills that were bound in brown paper or some sort of thing." The report quoted the Grumman official as saying that he had never been in Baker's office and had never paid Bobby so much as a penny "for any purpose whatsoever."

    > Reynolds said that in 1949 Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield, then a Democratic Representative, while on a European junket used counterpart funds—local funds accumulated by the U.S. abroad and often used to meet official Government expenses—to buy "many articles," including a statue called Dawn. The report quoted Mansfield as saying that if he had indeed spent counterpart funds, it was only for such legitimate expenses as hotel bills, and that his wife had bought the controversial statue with $110 of "her own personal funds."

    >Reynolds said that in 1961 Vice President Johnson, while in Hong Kong, spent 150,000 Hong Kong dollars in counterpart funds "in a period of 14 hours in buying personal gifts for people." The report says that at the time Johnson was there, the counterpart fund was down to 37,642 Hong Kong dollars.

    The Rules Committee's six-man Democratic majority promptly seized upon the report to try to bring an end to the Baker investigation. "I think it's over," said Chairman Jordan, explaining that the report "makes it obvious beyond a doubt that the testimony of Don B. Reynolds is unworthy of belief."

    But did it? In fact, the report was not written by the FBI at all, but rather by a team of Justice Department functionaries who boiled down hundreds of pages of raw FBI interviews. Unlike Reynolds, none of the persons interviewed by the FBI were under oath. The only part of Reynolds' testimony that has at any time been tested by a sworn statement from an adversary witness turned out to be true: that was Reynolds' claim that he had purchased advertising time on a Johnson-owned Austin TV station in return for selling insurance on Johnson's life. The claim was recently corroborated in substance by former White House Aide Walter Jenkins.

    Click to Print

    Find this article at:

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...,839360,00.html

  3. Friday, Mar. 12, 1965

    The "FBI Report"

    Last Dec. 1, in closed hearings held by the Senate Rules Committee investigating the Bobby Baker case, Mary land Insurance Agent Don B. Reynolds leveled a barrage of charges against Democrats in high office, testified to parties where "beauties and whisky and money flowed freely." Only last week was the substance of Reynolds' testimony made public — along with the release of a 30-page document rebutting Reynolds' charges, one by one, which the Rules Committee chairman, North Carolina's Democratic Senator B. Everett Jordan, pretentiously called "the FBI report."

    Among the charges and rebuttals:

    > Reynolds said that Bobby Baker had told him that "the leader" —meaning then Vice President Lyndon Johnson— had "interceded" to make sure that the controversial $10 billion TFX fighter-bomber contract was awarded to General Dynamics Corp. The so-called FBI report quoted Defense Secretary Robert McNamara as saying that any claim of official pressure brought to bear about the TFX contract was "definitely and categorically" wrong.

    > Reynolds said that a Grumman Aircraft official, anxious to land a fat TFX subcontract, visited Baker's Capitol office, left behind a bulging blue flight bag containing $100,000 in "hundred dollar bills that were bound in brown paper or some sort of thing." The report quoted the Grumman official as saying that he had never been in Baker's office and had never paid Bobby so much as a penny "for any purpose whatsoever."

    > Reynolds said that in 1949 Senate Majority Leader Mike Mansfield, then a Democratic Representative, while on a European junket used counterpart funds—local funds accumulated by the U.S. abroad and often used to meet official Government expenses—to buy "many articles," including a statue called Dawn. The report quoted Mansfield as saying that if he had indeed spent counterpart funds, it was only for such legitimate expenses as hotel bills, and that his wife had bought the controversial statue with $110 of "her own personal funds."

    >Reynolds said that in 1961 Vice President Johnson, while in Hong Kong, spent 150,000 Hong Kong dollars in counterpart funds "in a period of 14 hours in buying personal gifts for people." The report says that at the time Johnson was there, the counterpart fund was down to 37,642 Hong Kong dollars.

    The Rules Committee's six-man Democratic majority promptly seized upon the report to try to bring an end to the Baker investigation. "I think it's over," said Chairman Jordan, explaining that the report "makes it obvious beyond a doubt that the testimony of Don B. Reynolds is unworthy of belief."

    But did it? In fact, the report was not written by the FBI at all, but rather by a team of Justice Department functionaries who boiled down hundreds of pages of raw FBI interviews. Unlike Reynolds, none of the persons interviewed by the FBI were under oath. The only part of Reynolds' testimony that has at any time been tested by a sworn statement from an adversary witness turned out to be true: that was Reynolds' claim that he had purchased advertising time on a Johnson-owned Austin TV station in return for selling insurance on Johnson's life. The claim was recently corroborated in substance by former White House Aide Walter Jenkins.

    Click to Print

    Find this article at:

    http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/...,839360,00.html

  4. I thought researchers would be interested in reading this email I received last night:

    I've been reading through you web site and believe that I can add one of the final jigsaw puzzle pieces that affect the timing of JFK's Dallas trip and the nervousness of LBJ during the weeks preceding the killing At the time I was the 27 year old Editorial business manager and assistant to Life Magazines Executive Editor. Beginning in later summer 1963 the magazine, based upon information fed from Bobby Kennedy and the Justice Department, had been developoing a major newsbreak piece concerning Johnson and Bobby Baker. On publication Johnson would have been finished and off the '64 ticket (reason the material was fed to us) and would probably have been facing prison time. At the time LIFE magazine was arguably the most important general news source in the US. The top management of Time Inc. was closely allied with the USA's various intelligance agencies and we were used ofter by the Kennedy Justice Department as a conduit to the public. Life's coverage of the Hoffa prosecution, and involvement in paying off Justice Department Memphis witesses was a case in point.

    The LBJ/Baker piece was in the final editing stages and was scheduled to break in the issue of the magazine due out the week of November 24 (the magazine would have made it to the newsstands on Nov.26th or 27th). It had been prepared in relative secrecy by a small special editorial team. On Kennedy's death research files and all numbered copies of the nearly print-ready draft were gathered up by my boss (he had been thetop editor on the team) and shredded. The issue that was to expose LBJ instead featured the Zapruder film. Based upon our success in syndicating the Zapruder film I became Chief of Time/LIFE editorial services and remained in that job until 1968.

  5. I thought researchers would be interested in reading this email I received last night:

    I've been reading through you web site and believe that I can add one of the final jigsaw puzzle pieces that affect the timing of JFK's Dallas trip and the nervousness of LBJ during the weeks preceding the killing At the time I was the 27 year old Editorial business manager and assistant to Life Magazines Executive Editor. Beginning in later summer 1963 the magazine, based upon information fed from Bobby Kennedy and the Justice Department, had been developoing a major newsbreak piece concerning Johnson and Bobby Baker. On publication Johnson would have been finished and off the '64 ticket (reason the material was fed to us) and would probably have been facing prison time. At the time LIFE magazine was arguably the most important general news source in the US. The top management of Time Inc. was closely allied with the USA's various intelligance agencies and we were used ofter by the Kennedy Justice Department as a conduit to the public. Life's coverage of the Hoffa prosecution, and involvement in paying off Justice Department Memphis witesses was a case in point.

    The LBJ/Baker piece was in the final editing stages and was scheduled to break in the issue of the magazine due out the week of November 24 (the magazine would have made it to the newsstands on Nov.26th or 27th). It had been prepared in relative secrecy by a small special editorial team. On Kennedy's death research files and all numbered copies of the nearly print-ready draft were gathered up by my boss (he had been thetop editor on the team) and shredded. The issue that was to expose LBJ instead featured the Zapruder film. Based upon our success in syndicating the Zapruder film I became Chief of Time/LIFE editorial services and remained in that job until 1968.

  6. 2) "Fair Play" (Richard Bartholemew), in the middle of

    review of "Assassination Science": I would be remiss if

    I did not mention another oversight by Fetzer: his

    complete omission of the digital photographic

    photometry experiments of former U.S. Steel scientist

    Tom Wilson. Those experiments, completed and presented

    years earlier, but never published, reached many of the

    same conclusions as Fetzer's contributors (Harrison E.

    Livingstone, High Treason 2, [New York: Carroll & Graf,

    1992], pp. 338-39).

    I saw both of Wilson's initial public presentations.

    The first was at the Assassination Symposium on John F.

    Kennedy (ASK) in Dallas in 1991. It was a presentation

    involving charts of mathematical calculations and color

    slides of computer-processed images.

    That debut of Wilson's work was videotaped by South by

    Southwest, the conference organizers, but the quality

    of the presentation and the video was compromised by a

    loud party in the next-door ballroom. The two ballrooms

    were separated by a non-soundproof, movable partition.

    In what is at best an amazing coincidence, that party

    was part of a reunion of U.S. Secret Service agents,

    some of whom had served on Kennedy's Dallas trip. That

    was learned about three years later by Vince Palamara

    while interviewing some of those former agents.

    Shortcut to: http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/03/VP/0052-VP.TXT

    b...

  7. I have just finished reading this amazing book

    Anyone who has wanted to know about Tom Wilson's work needs to get this book ASAP

    Like Jack said it has tons of pictures and most of Tom's work is explained in detail with pictures

    I myself have been waiting for 10+ years to see Tom's work published, and all I can say is that this book has made it worth the wait

    This is a must have for any serious JFK researchers library

    It's too late.

    Tom said that his work could be replicated by any high school physics student, but nobody bothered, and now, over a decade after his death, nobody has still bothered to replicate his experiments and create the type of evidence he claimed he had.

    He could have shared his work and overseen the peer review, but none were done, and none are being done, and until it is, this is all words on paper.

    God Bless Tom Wilson.

    BK

    It is more than a bit of an exaggeration that any high school physics student could have done the same, but despite that, behind the scenes there has been [and continues to be] an effort to replicate his technique and validate his methodology. It was stalled (unbeknownst to some involved) by the book. I just finished the book myself. Much I know about Tom's work is not included, but what is there goes a long way to vindicate his work, despite the many errors he made in working [or is that not working] with others in the research community and his naivete about being able to work within the 'system' to right the wrongs of the events of 11/22/63. Here, I'm referring to his little-known lawsuit and the fact he gave his best findings to the FBI, not to the research community, and other matters. Nevertheless, it is a book that belongs in every serious researchers bookshelf, IMO. When others first made new claims [that the BYP were fakes; about Badgeman and others behind the fence; that the Z film might have been tampered with, et al.] most didn't 'buy' it and others had to repeat the attempts to look and confirm....]. It is my belief Tom will not be proven correct on all his findings, but will come out in the end with a great 'batting average' and a unique technique we can use on other photos. The expertise needed is somewhat sophisticated, but not beyond the level of those with a good science and computer background. I'm informed that the Borg within the USG were well aware of this book and are prepared with a counter-attack. That alone should clue those in the know that it contains information 'dangerous' to those who would have us believe in the fairytale of Dallas.

    -------------------- "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" ------------------

    The show was simply superb - one of the best done documentaries on the

    assassination I've seen in some time. It was actually done as the 6th in

    the Nigel Turner (BBC) series: 'The Men Who Killed Kennedy' and this was

    entitled (appropriately): 'The Truth Shall Set You Free'.

    The presentation opened with brief excerpts from Marina Oswald, and

    others - as to how the subsequent coverup has corrupted and undermined

    the country - giving rise to an ongoing and fundamental cynicism that is

    unrelenting. Particular anger emanated from a Mr. Tannenbaum - who had

    been one of the counsels working with the House and Senate

    Assassinations Committee in 1978, and who had left when it became

    obvious the Committee was 'kowtowing' to the executive intelligence

    agencies (CIA, FBI) whom he referred to as resisting their requests for

    information every step of the way.

    There followed a series of vignettes - each featuring a person who -

    through their investigations, research, released information - have shed

    light on the dark corners of this event/

    The first was Tom Wilson - with 30 years experience using imaging and

    photonics techniques in the stell industry. He has now applied this

    techniques - along with computer enhancement - to examine again the

    Zapruder film. What was revealed - using high resolution pixel imaging

    and Fourier analysis - was nothing short of amazing. In the head shot

    frame - for example - one could actually see, with Wilson's techniques-

    the image of the bullet, inside JFK's skull and its *track* moving from

    the FRONT to the REAR of the skull. Undeniable high level, high quality

    evidence that the shot did indeed come from the front - as we have been

    maintaining all along. Showing the detailed iamgery, Wilson himself

    found his eyes welling with tears. One could sense his painful awareness

    of the lies and distortions we've been fed all these years, co-mingling

    with his frustration that up to now none of 'officialdom' has taken his

    work seriously or at least tried to replicate it.

    He also indicated that on going to Dealey Plaza and attempting to

    reconstruct the placement of all key people, etc. he could not get

    things to fit - with the motion of the bullet seen in his imagery.

    However, on further inspection - and on locating a storm sewer cover at

    the side of Elm St. - he found that the problem was solved and indeed

    the shot could only have been made from that location (the fatal head

    shot).

    This was confirmed by Jack Brazil and a military team he put together in

    1992, who found:

    a) a man could easily fit inside the storm sewer drain and have an openh

    view onto Elm St. and a good shot at the motorcade.

    :o the man could easily make his escape (in something like 20-23

    minutes) by following out the storm sewer to the Trinity River - making

    his way clear and free.

    The scenes tracing the sewer escape route were sobering indeed - and

    show that indeed, the killing could be carried out as a perfect crime,

    with the perpetrators getting away scott free.

    After the Brazil demo, Tom Wilson was seen again - now examining the

    autopsy photos with his techniques and comparing them with the

    photonic/pixel densities in the head of JFK as disclosed in the pristine

    Mary Moorman photo (aimed toward the GK, JFK's head visible from the

    rear).

    His imaging analysis showed where genuine human tissue was located in

    the autopsy film- by comparing it with pixel densities in the

    pre-autopsy condition (as exposed from the Moorman film). What was

    revealed was nothing less than startling: massive sections of 'fake'

    material covering nearly the entire rear of JFK's head (Wilson referred

    to it was Mortician's plaster). This same material was also used in the

    front of the head, to cover the entrance wound there.

    Wilson's fine work, and detailed analysis, showed also what many of us

    have been saying all along - that the autopsy photos are indeed fakes.

    Attention then shifted to Lt. Col. Dan Marvin, with 15 years experience

    as a paratrooper and eight combat campaigns. He has 21 awards and

    decorations and servied in the Elite Special Forces, the Green Berets.

    He had volunteered for Special Forces Guerilla Training at Fort Bragg,

    NC only several weeks after the assassination. He noted also that nearly

    all the instruction techniques at the 'Guerrila Warfare School' was

    classified. The most secret of all - conducted within an enclosed and

    wire fence perimeter - was that dealing with terrorism and

    assassinations.

    His instructors in this phase noted how the JFK assassination was "a

    classic example of the way to organize a program to eliminate a head of

    state while 'pointing the finger' at a lone assassin" (His words). He

    noted that this also included a mock layout of Dealey Plaza indicating

    where all the shooters were located. He indicated that he and other

    trainees had also been told point blank that 'Oswald was not involved-

    he was set up'. He also recalled the remark in passing of one of the CIA

    instructors to another : "Things really did go well in Dealey Plaza that

    day, didn't they?"

    Marvin's segment ended by recalling how in 1965 he was asked to kill a

    Naval person in the States- a William Bruce Pitzer. He refused, of

    course, but suspects that someone else he knew took the job. Not long

    thereafter- Pitzer (who was a Visual Aids officer at Bethesda - and had

    the actual film footage of the autopsy) was found dead with a .38 in his

    right hand and a gunshot wound to the head. (A later climp interviews

    Pitzer's Petty Officer assistant who noted that this was odd since

    Pitzer had always been left-handed, and indeed had been kidded in card

    games for 'dealing the wrong way around'.)

    The presentation concludes by interviewing two other researchers who

    have - based on released documents- shown how the original assassination

    plots directed at Castro, were re-directed at JFK in something called

    'Operation Freedom'. They even have documented evidence that RFK called

    one of the leaders of this group and said to his 'you did this to my

    brother.'

    Daeron

    Link long gone...

    *******************

    See.....

    The Basics of Photogrammetry b..

    http://www.geodetic.com/whatis.htm

    « Reply #2 on: Yesterday at 09:48 PM »

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Part Six, The Truth Shall Set You Free..Tom Willson

    Tom Wilson, for 30 years a top consultant for U.S. Steel for discovering product defects through computer enhanced photography, shows his state-of-the-art computerized analysis of the photos of the wounds to JFK's head. Using over 6000 pieces of mathematical information, he constructed a large model of the projectile of the right temple wound which prove that the bullet came from below upwards, from inside the manhole cover at the bottom of the steps in Dealey Plaza and not from "badge man."

    The autopsy photos released by the government are proven to show that morticians' wax had filled in the right temple entrance wound and that photo retouching had masked and disguised the rear head exit wound.

    http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=58659498316845631

    B....Testimony of Thomas Wilson

    http://jfkassassination.net/arrb/index68.htm

    Witnessess scroll down his testimony to the ARRB

    http://jfkassassination.net/russ/wit.htm#u

  8. National Security Archive Update, November 3, 2009

    JFK Library Releases New Evidence on Diem Assassination

    For more information contact:

    John Prados - 202/994-7000

    http://www.nsarchive.org

    Washington, DC, November 3, 2009 - The John F. Kennedy Presidential Library has just released new evidence on United States collusion in the late 1963 coup d'etat in South Vietnam that ended in the assassination of Saigon leader Ngo Dinh Diem. This is a crucial new piece of the puzzle, for the release includes actual tape recordings of White House meetings several months earlier when President Kennedy initially considered requests from South Vietnamese generals for U.S. backing in a coup attempt. The tapes reflect both Kennedy's doubts and U.S. determination to change the game in South Vietnam, and decisions made here, in August, led directly to the November coup.

    Later this month the Archive will post an Electronic Briefing Book reflecting upon the new evidence. For the present we are re-posting our earlier commentary presentation, documents and tapes directly pertinent to the American role in the Saigon coup.

    http://www.nsarchive.org

    ________________________________________________________

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  9. David Quote...''The head-on shot on Houston would have prevented the limo from entering the true kill zone, where David Ferrie's vaunted "triangulation of fire" would be in effect, and the combination of multiple silenced and unsilenced weapons would insure confusion over shot direction, down to conflicting witness testimony.

    Maybe a useful question is, why would triangulation and multiple shooters be necessary, if it was all to be pinned on one man with a matchable "pristine bullet?" To provide options for explanation? To guarantee total confusion? If the latter, it surely succeeded.''

    The triangulation of fire made damn sure JFK did not get out of Dealey alive.....they knew they would and did have control of all evidence etc..all was controlled they therefore would have no concerns pinning it on just the one chosen patsy...the rest they could and did cover and confuse..and why we still go round the bush that was deliberate.and it worked...imo..B :blink:

  10. Good point reminding us that Mary and Jean strayed into the no-spectators zone, Bernice. The opposite side of Elm didn't seem forbidden, though - so one wonders what might be being concealed from whom. The knoll fence from center-mall spectators?

    THE NORTH SIDE IT WAS REPORTED I BELIEVE THAT TWO OFFICERS WERE BEHIND THE FENCE AREA.AFTER THE SHOTS ZAPRUDER WHO MADE A STATEMENT TO THE FBI AFTER...THAT A SHOT OR SHOTS CAME FROM BEHIND HIM TO HIS RIGHT OVER HIS SHOULDER I DO BELIEVE RIGHT NOW WOULD HAVE TO CHECK... HE MENTIONS IN HIS TESTIMONY ALSO....HOW MANY,MANY OFFICERS SOME ON MOTORCYCLES CAME UP BEHIND HIM INTO THE PARKING LOT AREA...NOT MUCH GOOD AFTER THE FACT WERE THEY....DAVID ALSO THIS IS MORE SUPPORT OF WHAT ROGER CRAIG HAD TO SAY........THAT THE SHERIFF'S MEN WERE TOLD NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN ANYWAY IN THE MOTORCADE NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENED I THINK HE SAID...SEE HIS BOOK ON THE WEB '' WHEN THEY KILL A PRESIDENT'' ALSO SEE ROBINS NEW THREAD ON BOND AND MUCHMORE WHERE HE HAS POSTED THE INFORMATION FROM THE ONLY THREE OFFICERS WHO WERE ASSIGNED TO THE THREE MAJOR CORNERS.....SO WE HAD ONLY THOSE 3 AND I BELIEVE 2 ON THE OVERPASS......THE PROTECTION WAS DISABLED....WHAT PROTECTION AS SO MANY HAVE ASKED.......IT HAS LONG APPEARED THAT NOT ONLY DID THE THE SS SEE PALAMARA...STEP DOWN BUT THE DPD AS WELL THOUGH THERE ARE SOME WHO WILL DEFEND THEM TO THE END AS THEY WERE ONLY ACTING ON ORDERS BUT THESE WERE TRAINED OFFICERS THEY KNEW WHAT HAD AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE THEY WERE NOT BRAND NEW RECRUITS DALLAS HAD HAD A PRESIDENTIAL VISIT IN THE PAST...SO IT WAS NOT THE FIRST TIME....THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THE BASIC ROUTINE....OF WHAT WAS NEEDED BUT THAT WAS IT....AS FAR AS ANY PROTECTION....IT WAS DISABLED........THE BOYS IN BLUE WERE CERTAINLY NOT VISIBLE....THOUGH APPARENTLY THEY WERE ACTING ON ORDERS....

    THE CENTURIONS THAT HAD BEEN ASSIGNED THE SS AND ALL MAINLY AND OR WERE CALLED OFF......OR DELIBERATELY STEPPED DOWN AND THE ASSN PLAN WAS ON TRACK.....NONE ON ORDERS IT APPEARED IN THE WAY THAT MIGHT HAVE AT LEAST TRIED TO AID THE PRESIDENT AND OR CAPTURE ANY SUSPECTS WERE MADE AVAILABLE.....RECALL ALSO HOW SO MANY MEN WITH SS IDS WERE MENTIONED AS SEEN AND CONTACT MADE WITH AFTER IN THE AREAS OF THE BACKDOOR OF THE TSBD THE FRONT DOOR AND AS WELL AS BEHIND THE FENCE AND ALSO PARKED IN A VEHICLE ON HOUSTON......ALL WAS IN PLACE.....CARRY ON GENTS THANKS , IT HAS BEEN INTERESTING AND INFORMATIVE// BEST TAKE CARE.......B..

    THE ZAP INFO ...Abraham Zapruder ..SS interview: "According to Mr.Zapruder, the position of the assassin was behind him .39 Lane, Rush to Judgement page 41..citing National Archives, Basic Source Materials in Possession of Commission No.87, Folder No.1, Secret Service Control No.66

    Abraham Zapruder believed that one or more shots came from behind him . 40 Summers page 60, citing CD 87.15566, and HSCA page 89..

    The quality of the National Archives' photographic copy of this hand written report is so poor that many of its words cannot be made out in a scanned copy. Consequently, we have provided below a typed copy ]

    CD - 87 Folder 1

    CO2 34030 11/22

    9:55

    To: Chief Rowley

    From: Max D. Phillips

    Subject: 8mm movie film showing President

    Kennedy being shot

    Enclosed is an 8mm movie film

    taken by Mr. A. Zapruder, 501 Elm St., Dallas

    Texas (RI8-6071)

    Mr. Zapruder was photographing

    the President at the instant he was shot.

    According to Mr. Zapruder, the position of

    the assassin was behind Mr. Zapruder.

    Note: Disregard personel scenes

    shown on Mr. Zapruder’s film. Mr. Zapruder

    is in custody of the "master" film. Two prints

    were given to SAIC Sorrels, this date.

    The third print is forwarded.

    Max D. Phillips SPECIAL AGENT PRS

    http://www.conspiracybomb.com/killapresident.htm

    FROM ROGER CRAIG WHEN THEY KILL A PRESIDENT

    The security had been arranged by the Secret Service and the

    Dallas Police--our boys in blue. The final touch was put on by

    Sheriff James Eric (Bill) Decker. On the morning of November 22,

    1963 the patrolmen in the districts which make up the Dallas County

    Sheriff's Patrol Division were left in the field, ignorant of what

    was going on in the downtown area, which was just as well. Decker

    was not going to LET them do anything anyway.

    About 10:30 a.m. November 22, 1963, Bill Decker called into his

    office what I will refer to as his street people--plain-clothes

    men, detectives and warrant men, myself included--and told us that

    President Kennedy was coming to Dallas and that the motorcade would

    come down Main Street. He then advised us that we were to stand

    out in front of the building, 505 Main Street and represent the

    Sheriff's Office. We were to take NO part whatsoever in the

    security of that motorcade. (WHY, JAMES ERIC?) So . . . the stage

    had been set, all the pawns were in place, the security had been

    withdrawn from that one vulnerable location. Come John F. Kennedy,

    come to Elm and Houston Streets in Dallas, Texas and take your

    place in history!

    The time was 12:15 p.m. I was standing in front of the court

    house at 505 Main Street. Deputy Sheriff Jim Ramsey was standing

    behind me. We were waiting for the President of the United States.

    I had a feeling of pride that I was going to be not more than four

    feet from the President but deep inside something kept gnawing at

    me. I said to Jim Ramsey, "He's late." Jim's reply stunned me.

    He said, "Maybe somebody will shoot the son of a bitch." Then I

    realized the crowd was hostile. The men about me felt that they

    were FORCED to acknowledge his presence. Although he was the

    President, they were making statements like, "Why does he have to

    come to Dallas?"

    Something else was bothering me . . . being a trained officer, I

    always looked for anything which might be amiss about any situation

    with which I was confronted. Suddenly I knew what was wrong.

    There were no officers guarding the intersections or controlling

    the crowd. My mind flashed back to the meeting in Decker's office

    that morning, then back to the lack of security in this area.

    Suddenly the motorcade approached and President Kennedy was

    smiling and waving and for a moment I relaxed and fell into the

    happy mood the President was displaying. The car turned the corner

    onto Houston Street. I was still looking at the rest of the people

    in the party. I was soon to be shocked back into reality. The

    President had passed and was turning west on Elm Street . . . as if

    there were no people, no cars, the only thing in my world at that

    moment was a rifle shot! I bolted toward Houston Street. I was

    fifteen steps from the corner--before I reached it two more shots

    had been fired. Telling myself that it wasn't true and at the same

    time knowing that it was, I continued to run. I ran across Houston

    Street and beside the pond, which is on the west side of Houston.

    I pushed a man out of my way and he fell into the pond. I ran down

    the grass between Main and Elm. People were lying all over the

    ground. I thought, "My God, they've killed a woman and child," who

    were lying beside the gutter on the South side of Elm Str

  11. Good point reminding us that Mary and Jean strayed into the no-spectators zone, Bernice. The opposite side of Elm didn't seem forbidden, though - so one wonders what might be being concealed from whom. The knoll fence from center-mall spectators?

    THE NORTH SIDE IT WAS REPORTED I BELIEVE THAT TWO OFFICERS WERE BEHIND THE FENCE AREA.AFTER THE SHOTS ZAPRUDER WHO MADE A STATEMENT TO THE FBI AFTER...THAT A SHOT OR SHOTS CAME FROM BEHIND HIM TO HIS RIGHT OVER HIS SHOULDER I DO BELIEVE RIGHT NOW WOULD HAVE TO CHECK... HE MENTIONS IN HIS TESTIMONY ALSO....HOW MANY,MANY OFFICERS SOME ON MOTORCYCLES CAME UP BEHIND HIM INTO THE PARKING LOT AREA...NOT MUCH GOOD AFTER THE FACT WERE THEY....DAVID ALSO THIS IS MORE SUPPORT OF WHAT ROGER CRAIG HAD TO SAY........THAT THE SHERIFF'S MEN WERE TOLD NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN ANYWAY IN THE MOTORCADE NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENED I THINK HE SAID...SEE HIS BOOK ON THE WEB '' WHEN THEY KILL A PRESIDENT'' ALSO SEE ROBINS NEW THREAD ON BOND AND MUCHMORE WHERE HE HAS POSTED THE INFORMATION FROM THE ONLY THREE OFFICERS WHO WERE ASSIGNED TO THE THREE MAJOR CORNERS.....SO WE HAD ONLY THOSE 3 AND I BELIEVE 2 ON THE OVERPASS......THE PROTECTION WAS DISABLED....WHAT PROTECTION AS SO MANY HAVE ASKED.......IT HAS LONG APPEARED THAT NOT ONLY DID THE THE SS SEE PALAMARA...STEP DOWN BUT THE DPD AS WELL THOUGH THERE ARE SOME WHO WILL DEFEND THEM TO THE END AS THEY WERE ONLY ACTING ON ORDERS BUT THESE WERE TRAINED OFFICERS THEY KNEW WHAT HAD AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE THEY WERE NOT BRAND NEW RECRUITS DALLAS HAD HAD A PRESIDENTIAL VISIT IN THE PAST...SO IT WAS NOT THE FIRST TIME....THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THE BASIC ROUTINE....OF WHAT WAS NEEDED BUT THAT WAS IT....AS FAR AS ANY PROTECTION....IT WAS DISABLED........THE BOYS IN BLUE WERE CERTAINLY NOT VISIBLE....THOUGH APPARENTLY THEY WERE ACTING ON ORDERS....

    THE CENTURIONS THAT HAD BEEN ASSIGNED THE SS AND ALL MAINLY AND OR WERE CALLED OFF......OR DELIBERATELY STEPPED DOWN AND THE ASSN PLAN WAS ON TRACK.....NONE ON ORDERS IT APPEARED IN THE WAY THAT MIGHT HAVE AT LEAST TRIED TO AID THE PRESIDENT AND OR CAPTURE ANY SUSPECTS WERE MADE AVAILABLE.....RECALL ALSO HOW SO MANY MEN WITH SS IDS WERE MENTIONED AS SEEN AND CONTACT MADE WITH AFTER IN THE AREAS OF THE BACKDOOR OF THE TSBD THE FRONT DOOR AND AS WELL AS BEHIND THE FENCE AND ALSO PARKED IN A VEHICLE ON HOUSTON......ALL WAS IN PLACE.....CARRY ON GENTS THANKS , IT HAS BEEN INTERESTING AND INFORMATIVE// BEST TAKE CARE.......B..

    THE ZAP INFO ...Abraham Zapruder ..SS interview: "According to Mr.Zapruder, the position of the assassin was behind him .39 Lane, Rush to Judgement page 41..citing National Archives, Basic Source Materials in Possession of Commission No.87, Folder No.1, Secret Service Control No.66

    Abraham Zapruder believed that one or more shots came from behind him . 40 Summers page 60, citing CD 87.15566, and HSCA page 89..

    The quality of the National Archives' photographic copy of this hand written report is so poor that many of its words cannot be made out in a scanned copy. Consequently, we have provided below a typed copy ]

    CD - 87 Folder 1

    CO2 34030 11/22

    9:55

    To: Chief Rowley

    From: Max D. Phillips

    Subject: 8mm movie film showing President

    Kennedy being shot

    Enclosed is an 8mm movie film

    taken by Mr. A. Zapruder, 501 Elm St., Dallas

    Texas (RI8-6071)

    Mr. Zapruder was photographing

    the President at the instant he was shot.

    According to Mr. Zapruder, the position of

    the assassin was behind Mr. Zapruder.

    Note: Disregard personel scenes

    shown on Mr. Zapruder’s film. Mr. Zapruder

    is in custody of the "master" film. Two prints

    were given to SAIC Sorrels, this date.

    The third print is forwarded.

    Max D. Phillips

    Special Agent - PRS

  12. Good point reminding us that Mary and Jean strayed into the no-spectators zone, Bernice. The opposite side of Elm didn't seem forbidden, though - so one wonders what might be being concealed from whom. The knoll fence from center-mall spectators?

    THE NORTH SIDE IT WAS REPORTED I BELIEVE THAT TWO OFFICERS WERE BEHIND THE FENCE AREA.AFTER THE SHOTS ZAPRUDER WHO MADE A STATEMENT TO THE FBI AFTER...THAT A SHOT OR SHOTS CAME FROM BEHIND HIM TO HIS RIGHT OVER HIS SHOULDER I DO BELIEVE RIGHT NOW WOULD HAVE TO CHECK... HE MENTIONS IN HIS TESTIMONY ALSO....HOW MANY,MANY OFFICERS SOME ON MOTORCYCLES CAME UP BEHIND HIM INTO THE PARKING LOT AREA...NOT MUCH GOOD AFTER THE FACT WERE THEY....DAVID ALSO THIS IS MORE SUPPORT OF WHAT ROGER CRAIG HAD TO SAY........THAT THE SHERIFF'S MEN WERE TOLD NOT TO PARTICIPATE IN ANYWAY IN THE MOTORCADE NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENED I THINK HE SAID...SEE HIS BOOK ON THE WEB '' WHEN THEY KILL A PRESIDENT'' ALSO SEE ROBINS NEW THREAD ON BOND AND MUCHMORE WHERE HE HAS POSTED THE INFORMATION FROM THE ONLY THREE OFFICERS WHO WERE ASSIGNED TO THE THREE MAJOR CORNERS.....SO WE HAD ONLY THOSE 3 AND I BELIEVE 2 ON THE OVERPASS......THE PROTECTION WAS DISABLED....WHAT PROTECTION AS SO MANY HAVE ASKED.......IT HAS LONG APPEARED THAT NOT ONLY DID THE THE SS SEE PALAMARA...STEP DOWN BUT THE DPD AS WELL THOUGH THERE ARE SOME WHO WILL DEFEND THEM TO THE END AS THEY WERE ONLY ACTING ON ORDERS BUT THESE WERE TRAINED OFFICERS THEY KNEW WHAT HAD AND SHOULD HAVE BEEN DONE THEY WERE NOT BRAND NEW RECRUITS DALLAS HAD HAD A PRESIDENTIAL VISIT IN THE PAST...SO IT WAS NOT THE FIRST TIME....THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOWN THE BASIC ROUTINE....OF WHAT WAS NEEDED BUT THAT WAS IT....AS FAR AS ANY PROTECTION....IT WAS DISABLED........THE BOYS IN BLUE WERE CERTAINLY NOT VISIBLE....THOUGH APPARENTLY THEY WERE ACTING ON ORDERS....

    THE CENTURIONS THAT HAD BEEN ASSIGNED THE SS AND ALL MAINLY AND OR WERE CALLED OFF......OR DELIBERATELY STEPPED DOWN AND THE ASSN PLAN WAS ON TRACK.....NONE ON ORDERS IT APPEARED IN THE WAY THAT MIGHT HAVE AT LEAST TRIED TO AID THE PRESIDENT AND OR CAPTURE ANY SUSPECTS WERE MADE AVAILABLE.....RECALL ALSO HOW SO MANY MEN WITH SS IDS WERE MENTIONED AS SEEN AND CONTACT MADE WITH AFTER IN THE AREAS OF THE BACKDOOR OF THE TSBD THE FRONT DOOR AND AS WELL AS BEHIND THE FENCE AND ALSO PARKED IN A VEHICLE ON HOUSTON......ALL WAS IN PLACE.....CARRY ON GENTS THANKS , IT HAS BEEN INTERESTING AND INFORMATIVE// BEST TAKE CARE.......B..

  13. Whenever I see William Holden play a CIA officer in the somewhat underrated spy spoof, "Casino Royale," I think of Phillips.

    Too bad no Hollywood-struck Cuban said, "Maurice Bishop? He looked like William Holden!" There should be more typology in identification.

    Holden made several films touching on the cold war or its anxieties. He would have made a great Graham Greene-style ugly American in a Caribbean adventure - he had that comic-absurdist executive/spy thing down cold.

    Phillips looks most like Holden in that photo of him under the CIA road sign. Though Phillips looks booze-hollow there - dessicated, as if secreting a load of bad teeth in the back of his mouth

    David i think this is the CIA sign that

    you mention within this comp by James' of phillips..b

  14. "Yes, the idea of a sophisticated hit team employing a man with an umbrella as a lookout is ridiculous. However, so are many other things that the conspirators did. Planting a nearly pristine bullet, for instance. Nobody would do that, unless they wanted to draw attention to the obvious incompatability of CE399 with any real bullet on the planet. Or using such an obvious low level mobster like Ruby to silence Oswald in the midst of all those police officers. Even as a seven year old, I instantly realized how absurd that was."

    "I have been accused of hijacking this thread, but would like to reiterate that "Chittybangbang" by side, the position taken up by the UM if he is signalling to a shooter then this is a valid argument in favour of the throat shot originating in a narrow field between the Stemmons sign and the limousine."

    >

    >

    Not to keep pushing, but TUM and DCM are indices of how connected and how disconnected the plotting is. People from disparate groups are working in DP. They're lucky if they all see each other beforehand, much less if they know each other. So many circles of opportunity had failed before to coalesce, in Miami, Chicago, Tampa.

    In the park-like center and north pergola areas of the Plaza, there is opportunity for crowds to bunch in the green areas and curbsides on the north and south of Elm Street, and for people to spill into the street. By chance, it didn't happen, but not because any plotters were shooing people away from the Stemmons sign.

    The shooter teams need a man at curbside at the beginning of the last optimum fire zone, to announce whether a fatal hit has been given yet. The fewer rounds fired, the better. This signaler has to be distinguished from others in a possible curbside throng. Not even the Cuban hitters have time to search for a familiar face. So he's announced as the guy in the white jacket, near the guy in the dark coat with the black umbrella. The umbrella may not have been a political statement at all - just an image overkill to make sure that the signaler was identified by proximity.

    Notice how, in his vicinity, DCM was the only person in the street, except for Jean Hill and Mary Moorman just west of him. No crowd was there, at that remove from the office buildings, to urge people forward - only purpose and desire.

    David you make sense and keeping in mind also that the DPD were under orders to keep people out of the little park area recall Mary and Jean sweet talked the officer into allowing them to be there...that to me also has always said much and is a sign that the assassination area was being controlled the officer may have only been following his orders but above him someone gave them such.....b

  15. Hi Bernice, I have seen Paul Rigby`s thread and admire and respect his resolve in defending his ideas. On the other hand, I accept that many of the arguments offered by Pauls opponents apply to my proposition, and particularly those which claim that maybe, such theorising undermines the investigation. More important though, Tim Gratz, questions the morality of accusing two deceased SS officers on the basis of a hunch or suspicion and considering that I can offer no evidence to support it, I unreservedly withdraw my accusation.

    I have been accused of hijacking this thread, but would like to reiterate that "Chittybangbang" by side, the position taken up by the UM if he is signalling to a shooter then this is a valid argument in favour of the throat shot originating in a narrow field between the Stemmons sign and the limousine.

    Regards to those members who have defended the right to free speech.

    Brian

    Hi Brian...\i would suggest that you get into the studies of vince palamara as far as the ss is comcerned there are many who appeared very possibly very tainted within the assassination.... I agree and within Paul's work.which many of the puts downers did and do not appear to realize as it wouls take studying....there is and was much presented information and well done research......also within his zapruder studies...also on this forum found within a search.........Sprague and Harris it appears were the first two reseachers to delve seriously into um and the dcm men many years back also see their book COVER UP they brought us such other good work seriously and also much that stands today that i find it somewhat difficult to simply and do not ignore their findings within the world of research these were very serious men...very.....after mack and thompson first noticed them within the photos.....and brought them to alls.....attention..and as we know now these type weapons do and did exist..........i agree with to each their own in all...studies...and will stand and hollar for everyone's right to their own theory and opinion....but the why as some call them neocons must to the extent do try to anihilate anothers work..i will never understand and i imagine now i shall not....a disagreement and or a difference of opinion....i can understand but the name calling that gets to the point imo of ignorant come backs even to the point of admonishing one others work with threats is beyond me ......and is uncalled for is to me rude, ignorant and immature as as all are called eventually at times they show they are a bully....and imo it should be put a stop to.when it first begins so the brakes are applied...before it gets to that point..but.......and i am afraid there are many who wallow seemingly within the research world just sitting and waiting to do so.from appearances they relish in attacking others to them it appears to be a game.,...i guess it gives them a thrill or a sudden burst of ego i have never figured out the reason..or just what........if there is a reason ...but ..i call it the AAM DISEASE.....WHICH MEAN ALL ABOUT ME...which is what some appear to strive for.....THEY HAVE AND are so wrapped up within themselves their egos and so positive that their only theory is correct that they imo appear tobe hardly able to stand themselves ..and really chase others away if they only realized....which they do not....and if so they do not care .........carry on Brian with your studies and work.....always and .....let none deter you.as imo such are inable to do so it appears let alone be able to communicate with others.....in any form of real civility....but they do not realize they nor anyone.....has that right......and also as seen within the photos if studied the umbrella does raise up and down not just twist and dcm does appear to signal with his arm and hand.....no matter how much they who would not admit to such..differ .......but then again that takes time.....and it takes all kinds and some need to grow what is called patience and or tolerance.........you will also notice that some spout but do not present any such research or work of their own.....and some will never though they may endeavour to get some kind of connection to others..... they are followers and go along to get alongs imo and or they think that to be a part of such a group they then think are important and or perhaps have been brain washed by such with their fine smooth words they in otherwards are gullible and evtually are throw awaya by such groups.....and theysome then become seeminlgy follow along like robots the yes men and girls they are called anyway more than enough..............so ...good luck with your studies and thanks for the thread i appreciated and enjoyed it we always learn something new from every book and every thred in the end......imo.....and take care.best B...
  16. Thanks for that Bernice.

    Martin explained to me that you had contacted John Simkin regarding Martin joining the forum.

    It makes it hard when i am posting our "Co-Research" and my research partner Martin, can't even see what i am posting on the Forum. :unsure:

    your welcome so what's the latest has martin tried to contact him again would you know i only ask as john has not replied about this in this thread....what is the problem i wonder...b.. :unsure:

  17. INTELLIGENCE: Of Dart Guns and Poisons - TIME

    CIA researchers also came up with an array of James Bond weaponry that ... the gun fires a toxin-tipped dart, almost silently and accurately up to 250 ft. ...

    www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,913459,00.html -

    scroll way way down...for article info..

    22 Dec 2008http://neveryetmelted.com/categories/history/

    New Book Claims OSS Assassinated Patton

    Conspiracy Theories, George Patton, History, Office of Strategic Services (OSS), WWII, William J. Donovan

  18. INTELLIGENCE: Of Dart Guns and Poisons - TIME<IMG style="VISIBILITY: visible" border=0> CIA researchers also came up with an array of James Bond weaponry that ... the gun fires a toxin-tipped dart, almost silently and accurately up to 250 ft. ....

    www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,913459,00.html sorry i cannot enable the link...b

    b..

  19. TOP NINE INSANE WEAPONS OF WAR...

    http://thecontaminated.com/top-nine-insane-weapons-of-war/

    B..

    3. Who, Me?:

    A bad odor weapon to humiliate the enemy

    Who Me? was a top secret sulfurous stench weapon developed by the American Office of Strategic Services during World War II to be used by the French Resistance against German officers. Who Me? smelled strongly of fecal matter, and was issued in pocket atomizers intended to be unobtrusively sprayed on a German officer, humiliating him and, by extension, demoralizing the occupying German forces.

    Who Me

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