Bernice Moore

Thanks Bernice, for the pics of OZ in front of the ITM.
The film i refer to has OZ handing a leaflet to a DCM coming from the left of the screen to the right in front of the light pole. Seemingly a normal passerby. And maybe he is.

But he looks a lot like the DCM in Dealy Plaza.

He is not shown in any of the pics you posted.

Looking at the pic showing the ITM, the film camera would have been located to the right of the doors pointing at the corner capturing OZ walking towards the light pole to give a leaflet to a DCM coming from across the street and just getting up onto the curb and walking out of the shot.

Maybe its nothing.

Thanks again for the pics.

jim

YOUR WELCOME JIM..IS THIS THE RUSH FILM THAT YOU ARE SPEAKING OF OR ?? ASTHERE WERE TWO TAKEN BY TOURISTS AND 3 BY WDSU TV..IS IT ON THE YOU TUBE AND OR AVAILABLE..HERE ARE A COUPLE MORE FRAMES BUT I DO NOT SEE HIM I DON'T BELIEVE I HAVE NOT FOUND ANY AS YOU DESCRIBE HIM STEPPING UP ON THE CURB AND LHO HANDING HIM A LEAFLET..I WILL EMAIL A CONTACT ONE NEVER KNOWS......BUT........BEST B..

October 15, 2009

peter i thought i had posted this for you but upon checking the thread i could not find such the study from sprague......complete with his comparisons to the zapruder frames included..to the actions seen i believe .....John if I have posted then if you do find please delete..though I shall check again........b ??

October 14, 2009

Here's another thing thats's kind of spooky.
Look at the film of Ozwald in N.O. handing out leaflets on the corner in front of the building where Clay Shaw worked.

You'll see a tall slender dark complected man walk up on the curb as OZ hands him a leaflet. He is wearing the same style hat as the DCM in Dealy Plaza.

Could these two be the same man?

I'm not saying they are but I wish someone could put their photos up besides each other in this thread so this suspicion of mine would go away or be confirmed.

jim

JIM I Took A look but could not find a man stepping up on the curb,, but then my eyes are certainly lacking sometime more than often..but here are two compilations re n.o frames perhaps if seen you could point him out.one is james' work...i know .the other ?? now sorry...and some photos from the past of possibles whose names have been mentioned not many but fwtaw..you may want to compare.......best b..if not I do have other frames from lho in n.os re the leaflet episodes..

October 14, 2009

here perhaps are also others opinions to contemplate........B

S. I said Bernardo de Torres (as possible DCM) in an earlier post. I meant to say Felipe Vidal Santiago. (Thomas Graves)

Hi Thomas,

It seems that researchers are split between DCM being Orlando Bosch or Felipe Vidal Santiago. I for one have swayed strongly toward Vidal for quite some time and his sidekick being Roy Hargraves.

I am going to be hard pressed to change my mind but over the last few months, another combination has been thrown into the mix, Evelio Duque and Jerry Buchanan. I present it here as just another possibility and as a combination of characters which are curious to say the least. These two guys worked together on a regular basis and the Agency had a keen interest in Duque.

Bottom line is that DCM was positioned right amongst the action and his behavior (pre and post shooting) was supicious to say the least.

FWIW.

James

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HI BRIAN....

THERE IS MUCH ON THE WEB AND HERE ON THE THROAT SHOT COMING FROM THE FRONT FROM THE SOUTH SIDE AREA OF THE OVERPASS..IF YOU HAVE ACCESS TO MARY FARRELL'S SITE THERE IS DOUG WELDON'S DEEP RESEARCH WITHIN..FYI......ALSO PUBLISHED WITHIN DR.FETZER'S BOOK ....WHICH CAN BE BOUGHT VERY REASONABLY USED....I DO HAVE THE MF LINK TO DOUG'S WILL FIND IT AND POST FOR YOU IF YOU CANNOT ACCESS......THE W/C S POSITION WAS ONLY 3 SHOTS ALL FROM THE TSBD AS YOU KNOW....AFTER IT PAST THE TSBD..ONE MISSING...ONE ENTERING THE BACK OF JFKS NECK AND EXITING HIS THROAT EVEN THOUGH THE TRAJECTORY WAS IMPOSSIBLE.....IT THEN ENTERED CONNALLY'S BACK SNAPPED OFF A RIB BROKE HIS RIGHT WRIST AND LODGING IN HIS LEFT THIGH...EVEN THOUGH CONNALLY DISAGREED WITHIN HIS TESTIMONY AND HE WAS THERE AND RECEIVED SUCH AND WAS A HUNTER.....THE 3RD SHOT THEN ENTERINGTHE BACK OF JFK'S HEAD CAUSING A FATAL INJURY.....AND NO SHOTS COMING FROM THE FRONT AS PER THE W/C.,SIMPLE NO..!! NO..IMO...THE EVIDENCE AS GIVEN WITHIN THE W/C THE TESTIMONY OF WITNESSES AND ALSO THOSE WHO ARE NOT WITHIN..POINTS TO AN AMBUSH OF MANY SHOTS FROM PERHAPS SEVERAL POINTS.......FORREST SORRELL'S THE SS AGENT IN CHARGE WHO DROVE THE ROUTE A FEW days before stated '' someone wanting to get the president of the united states could do it with a high powered rifle (which the m/c was not...)...could do it from some building or some hillside ; MARTIN A HERO FOR OUR TIME PAGE 387...SORRELLS WAS IN THE LEAD CAR...AND WITHIN HIS TESTIMONY TO THE W/C WHEN HE HEARD THE FIRST REPORT HE TURNED AROUND TO LOOK UO ON THE TERRACE BECAUSE THE SOUND , SOUNDED LIKE IT CAME FROM BACK UP THERE..''BUT THE REORT SEEMED SO LOUD THAT IT SOUNDED LIKE TO ME IN OTHER WORDS THAT MY FIRST THOUGHT ' SOMEBODY UP ON THE TERRACE'' AND THAT IS THE REASON I LOOKED UP THERE...CHIEF CURRY ALSO IN THE LEAD CAR STATED A SHOT CAME FROM THE FRONT..SORRELLS ALSO SAID AT THE TIME HE NEVER LOOKED BACK UP AT THE BUILDING..VOL 7 P 338...ROY KELLERMAN SSSA IN CHARGE OF THE W/H SECURITY FOR THE TRIP WHO RODE IN THE SAME CAR AS JFK...STATED HE HEARD A FIRECRACKER TYPE NOISE,,AND THAT HE HEARD A VOICE FROM THE BACK THOUGH THE DOCS THOUGHT IT IMPOSSIBLE,,,,SAY '' MY GOD I'M HIT '' AS HE TURNED AROUND TO LOOK HE SAW THE PRESIDENT'S HANDS GO UP TO HIS THROAT...IN A CHOKING GESTURE...HE THEN STATED ''A FLURRY OF SHELLS COMING INTO THE CAR,,''HE ALSO DESCRIBED THE SECOND AND THIRD SHOTS AS SOUNDING LIKE AS A DOUBLE BANG...LIKE THAT OF A PLANE BREAKING THE SOUND BARRIER.....HEARINGS PAGE 78 VOL 11 THEN ALSO THERE IS RR INSPECTOR SAM HOLLAND AND THE RR MEN ON THE OVERPASS...SEE MARK LANE'S VIDEO.....FRANK REILLY OVERPASS AND SEVEN OTHERS I THINK....BOTH THE NEWMANS..ABE ZAPRUDER HIMSELF WHO PUTS A SHOT FROM BEHIND HIM FROM HIS RIGHT STANDING ON THE PEDESTAL...THESE WITNESSES CO-ORDINATE WITH SO MANY OTHERS I DO NOT THINK WE CAN POSSIBLY IGNORE THEM ALL.....INCLUDING DPD OFFICER MARSHALL AS WELL AS ANOTHER SS LANDIS.......PERSONALLY DO I NOW THINK A DART HIT HIM IN THE THROAT NO.....BUT I HAVE BEEN PRESENTING OTHER'S RESEARCH WHICH .IS AVAILABLE FOR ANYONE'S PERUSAL...WAS SUCH A WEAPON AVAILABLE THROUGH THE CIA YES...DO I THINK HE WAS HIT BY A SS FROM WITHIN THE CAR NO.,BUT I DO WONDER IF THE UMBRELLA MAN AND DCM WERE SIGNALING FOR WHOMEVER WAS UP ON THE KNOLL OR WHEREVER TO FIRE....HE WAS THERE WITHIN RANGE AND A PRIME TARGET....FIRE AND THEY DID...ALSO SEE THE YELLOW PAINT MARKINGS ON THE CURB SIDES MARKING WITHIN THE AREA WHERE HE WAS HIT....FROM MORE THAN ONE SITE..IMO....THERE WERE ALSO OTHER EXAMPLES WITHIN DEALEY OF HITS THAT WERE IGNORED AND THEN COVERED UP ALSO....COUNTING MANY MORE THAN THE W/C'S FARCE OF JUST 3...PERHAPS YOU WOULD BE INTERESTRED IN PAUL RIGBY'S WORK....HE ALSO HAS A THEORY SIMILAR TO YOURS..THAT THE SS SHOT JFK.FROM WITHIN THE LIMO...WHICH IMO IS TOO EACH THEIR OWN AND I DO RESPECT WITHOUT THROWING CRUMMY OR NASTY REMARKS IN ANY WAY...PERHAPS SHOWING THEIR L.R BELIEFS..BECAUSE I DIFFER MEANS I SIMPLY HAVE A DIFFERENT OPINION AND I CERTAINLY COULD BE IN ERROR AGAIN..BUT I REALIZE YOUR WORK AND RESEARCH THAT YOU AND OTHERS HAVE PUT INTO SUCH AND I DO AND THAT SHOULD BE RESPECTED AS I ALSO DO WITH THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN THE DART THEORY......SO FOR NOW THANKS FOR THE COME BACK..THIS HAS IMO BEEN A VERY INTERESTING THREAD.....BEST B..

RON...SOME WILL DO AND HAVE ANYTHING FOR MONEY EVEN STAND AT A CURBSIDE AND WATCH A PARADE,,,THANKS JAMES FOR THE INPUT......PETER NO BOOK.....PERHAPS SOME DAY A CD OR SUCH I COULD NEVER AUTHOR A BOOK THE LANGUAGE IN PARTS WOULD BE SHALL WE SAY TOO COLOURFUL TO EVER PASS..

October 14, 2009

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October 14, 2009

A good article -- based on “Unspeakable.”LHO AND THE CIA

http://mwcnews.net/content/view/33737/26/

B...

October 14, 2009

I have no real problem with accepting Witt may not be the original UM. I just see no reason to believe there was anything sinister in that. Some people will confess to anything...even murder, to get publicity. I also dont accept there was anything sinister in the original UM actions on the day of the assassination for the same reasons I posted earlier i.e. A member of an assassins team would never act so conspicuously, why would he have to? A simple raising of the arm, waving a hat or lifting a placard welcoming the president would have done the job just as well and gone completely unnoticed. Can anyone explain that away? Because all I'm reading so far are post's from members saying they believe UM was part of the conspiracy. That's all very interesting and they are certainly entitled but without facts or reason to back it up its meaningless.

I stand by the fact stated in post #7, paragraph 2. Having grown up in the 1960s, I could elaborate - Lenny Bruce would have elaborated had he seen the tableau of these odd companions. I'm surprised that the image, if innocent, wasn't exploited in period magazines.

Unless photos were altered, and I don't believe these were, the radio and antenna on the "Latin" or "Cuban" look very compelling. Might there be facts proving this guy was a Kennedy protector, not a JFK-killer?

Scenario: The "Cuban" is there to give a "simple raising of the arm," telling Cuban hit team members or radio coordinators that a fatal wound is not delivered by that logistical point ahead of the front team. Umbrella man is there as a partner, to allow the non-Cuban hitters to discern the "Cuban" from any stray Mexican male in the Texas street - "He's the guy in white, next to the guy holding the black umbrella!"

The umbrella is a signature directed toward Kennedy and his crew, and supporters of the assassination: This coup is authored by the military and its partners in intel, who will not countenance appeasement in Cuba or SE Asia. SE Asia is especially connected to the umbrella by WW II. These guys see SE Asia as a policy hangover from the Japanese surrender and the subsequent lamented loss of China.

One fact is that we are responding to incongruities that we don't fully understand: A dark man in a light coat. A light man in a dark coat. Together.

So this is a theory of congruity based on a situational fact of xenophobia (post #7, paragraph 2) that, in its negative form, explains presence and propinquity in the curbside photos.

hi david again...... thanks for your input and opinion..it is what makes forums successful....i have been trying to present somewhat of a model simply attempting to account for the data.and research that has been done over time...I am simply trying to present what data has been processed on dcm and tum from in the past....all will make up their own minds.....to me the possibility of four men seen with radios before during and after the assassination raises questions..why at a presidential motorcade when they certainly were not fbi nor ss that day.......one of whom was with umbrella man..... see within photos that i have posted.thanks ..B ..robin...thanks for the photo..showing dcm in the street..

October 14, 2009

Here you go, Bernice.
The umbrella is in what position, when JFK first reaches for his throat???

chris

MANY THANKS CHRIS...I HAVE NO IDEA WHY YOURS THAT I TRIED TO UPLOAD WOULD NOT BUT THEN THAT IS ABOUT ALL I CAN DO WITH THEM BUT I DO ENJOY COLLECTING SUCH....I WOULD VENTURE TO THINK IT THE UMBRELLA APPEARS TO BE ON IT'S WAY AND STRAIGHTENING BACK UP......FROM A QUICK LOOK.......THANKS AGAIN YOU DO MAKE THEM THE BEST ALWAYS...IMO...TAKE CARE B...

October 14, 2009

Bernice,
I'm amazed! I had not seen that photo of JFK with Caroline and lambchop. I've seen another photo very like this one, maybe there were several taken that day. There's one on the cover of a big coffee table picture book.

Email me at joebackes@gmail.com, and tell me where you've got these images from. Thanks.

Joe

JACK ... Jean's lamb chop... ...B WHEN I THINK FOR ONE OF ALL THE CRUMMY THINGS THAT SOME WHOM KNOW WHO THEY ARE AND WHAT NASTIES AND INSULTS THEY HAVE HAD TO SAY ABOUT JEAN AND STILL DO IN CALLING HER A xxxx ETC RE THE WEE FLUFFY DOG THAT SHE REPORTED SHE SAW. ALL THESE YEARS AND WHOM WOULD NOT ACCEPT EITHER A FOUND FILM CLIP SHOWN SOME YEARS AGO SHOWING SUCH AT A JFK CONV.AND WAS ACCESSIBLE ON THE WEB...THAT THEY STILL CHOSE TO IGNORE, WELL NOW TO THOSE WHO THOUGHT THEY KNEW IT ALL...AND HAVE BEEN PROVEN THEY CERTAINLY DO NOT......EAT CROW..I HOPE YOU NEVER EXPECT THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT..THAT'S MORE THAN YOU DESERVE YOU CRUMMY BEGGARS...CROW CRAP..B..

Sunday, October 11, 2009

First Thoughts on the new History Channel Show JFK 3 shots that changed the World

The methodology is straight from all those 9/11 documentaries, real footage that is cut quickly and often to a black screen, a timer for the exact minute when things happen like those rolodex kind of clocks as the number flipped forward.

Yes, there are some new film clips here, largely out takes of pieces of film not used before. There has to be a great wealth of material that never made it into newscasts. We asked the ARRB to go after this stuff, but they couldn't be bothered. There is much more of the Ft. Worth breakfast, for example where the local news host, or whoever it was rambled on and on about assassination, and the previous assassinations. There was more at Love Field where a Secret Service man flings his hands into the air in a WTF moment as what he thinks is going to be his assigned spot, namely standing on the outside running board of the presidential limo is not where he is going to be. He's waved off. Vince Palamara found that. Somehow that still is not "newsworthy," for broadcast TV, or even cable TV. Also, Wallace Milam found where someone gave Jackie a white dog, probably a little stuffed animal, or perhaps the popular puppet, Lambchop, as a gift for her children when JFK and Jackie worked the fence shaking hands at Love Field. I believe that is from an NBC Black and White film. So, that means that Jean Hill was correct all along when she said she saw a little white dog between JFK and Jackie.

Posted by Joseph at 7:11 PM

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Bernice,

You've jumped the gun a bit here. I do not have images or video of this on my blog as yet. I merely wrote about Wallace Milam's discovery, but I was still looking for photographic material to demonstrate it. I'll show what you've got and posted here. BTW, if you know if this clip is online, youtube,com or elsewere let me know and I'll put that on my blog to.

Joe Backes

HI JOE..sorry if i jumped the gun somewhat but this was such good news, well to me anyway..so many witnesses are and continue to be attacked and as we now are seeing hopefully once more with new info coming to light.....she has been unfairly....HERE IS THE WEE GIF I HAVE SAVED THAT I HAVE OF LAMB CHOP THIS HAS BEEN OUT FOR MANY YEARS SINCE...93 AS REPORTED BY CONNIE....KRITZBERG

AND EVEN THOUGH THIS HAS BEEN POSTED IN THE PAST ON SEVERAL FORUMS THEY WHOMEVER, MAKE EXCUSES AND STILL CANNOT CHANGE THEIR PRE CONCEIVED IDEAS.....WHERE IT HAS APPEARED...THEY STILL ACCUSE HER OF MANY THINGS.......I DOUBT NOW, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO FIND AND POST AND MANY THANKS FOR SUCH...THEY WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO ADMIT THEY WERE IN ERROR.IMO..EAT CROW YOU PEOPLES WHOMEVER AGAIN.......MANY THANKS FOR YOUR WORK.TAKE CARE B

http://jfkhistory.com/whitedog.gif

I have watched it many times, now one thing I notice is that

no woman handles a small bouquet of flowers, by clutching it

in the middle of such, it is held by the stems,

and the last time we see whatever, it

appears to be a small bulky item, of perhaps the same thickness

and is squarish, ?? and if you notice as her left

thumb, grasps it in the middle...whatever gives as if

it was stuffed with something soft ? could be..?..well I imagine

flowers would also do that, but..??

Could it be she was not only given a small bouquet of white

flowers but also, a Lamb Chop, Dog or such......?? I realize it is

an aside, but Jean has been given such a hard time

over the years for her recollections, and one of the few that stood firm.....but they say because she lied

about this, she lied about all...b/s...imo..So whenever I come

across anything that may prove such, Ihave snaggled it.BELOW IS ALSO the information

From "Secrets from the Sixth Floor Window"..

1994.BY .Connie Kritzberg..

page.178..

Jean Hill

"A statement made to me by Jean Hill plagued her for years, and

bothered me as well. She said there was a "fluffy white dog" between

the President and Jackie. She was ridiculed by a number of people, she

related , in her story written by Bill Sloan entitled "The Last Dissenting

Witness". I found the statement somewhat embarassing, and I wished

I had considered omitting it,( Nov.22/63 for her newspaper story, I believe

she is referring to...bm..) but there was no time for reflection.

Copy boys were relentless in seizing the paragraphs almost before the

paragraph was typed..

Only in 1993 was television news coverage shown which portrayed Jackie

Kennedy accepting a small white "Lambchops" stuffed animal which she

showed to Jack and carried to the limousine with her.

Jean Hill was vindicated, and I was vastly relieved both of us when the

footage was shown to participants at the 1993 ASK symposium held in

Dallas.

Hill had been ill, her father had recently died, and she did not see the

comforting clip.

On what small and relatively insignificant points of fact

reputations rest...."end...

I guess the problem is, was that those in attendance at the 93 Ask, in Dallas

did not get the information out.......?? Too bad, as Jean is still ridiculed

on this subject, they still use it...on the web...

I believe I recall Jack White saying that he met Jean quite often over the

years, and spoke with her many times, and she never changed her story...I Think it was Jean that was called

the "cookie lady"...during Oliver Stone's filming the "JFK movie, or was that

Mary Moorman.....??

and looked forward to her arriving....with the treats...

The Lamb Chops and Jackie photos I posted are from Jack White's research ...work..TO WHOM THE SOME IMO THEY OWE AN APOLOGY TO ALSO....

B.M ...........P.S SEEN BELOW IS A PHOTO OF JFK AND CAROLINE WITH HER PUPPET LAMB CHOP THAT HAD BEEN SEEN PUBLICIZED PREVIOUSLY IN MAGAZINES..

HI JOE..YOUR WELCOME.AND NO SECRET WHO FROM ..I AM A PACK RAT AND SAVE TO MY COLLECTIONS..I CANNOT TELL YOU WHERE OR WHAT SPECIFIC MAGAZINE THAT PHOTO CAME FROM.......MANY OF THESE PHOTOS ETC AS I HAVE MENTIONED ARE FROM JACK WHITE'S RESEARCH WORK THAT HE HAS POSTED DOWN THROUGH THE YEARS THAT I SNAGGLED AND SAVED SO IT MAY BE FROM HIM AND IF SO HE MAY COME ALONG HERE AND BE ABLE TO LET YOU KNOW..I HAVE BEEN TRYING TO KEEP HOPEFULLY SOME INFORMATION THAT HAS BEEN POSTED DOWN THROUGH TIME...SAFE, AND AVAILABLE FOR THE RESEARCHERS ON THE WEB... AS SO VERY MUCH NOW HAS DISAPPEARED FROM THE WEB... B..ONR MORE BELOW FROM JACK'S WORK...

October 14, 2009

I would have no problem accepting Witt as UM if it was not for the fact that he lied about what he was doing when the limo came by. If he simply didn't know what he was talking about, then he must not have been there, so he was lying about being there. This raises the question of who would put Witt up to going to the HSCA and why. If there was nothing sinister about UM, whoever he was, why did someone go to the trouble of getting him falsely identified as innocent Mr. Witt? Unless that someone was Mr. Witt himself, just trying to get fifteen minutes of fame by perjuring himself before Congress. But if I were Mr. Witt and I was going to do that, I would make sure I knew something about UM's actions before I went testifying about being him. Whoever sent Mr. Witt didn't bother to give him any coaching.

thanks ron.......IF UM WAS NOT A PART OF SOMETHIMG THAT DAY..THOUGH I BELIEVE WITT STATED DCM WAS A STRANGER..WHOMEVER HE SITS BESIDE SOMEONE WHO HAD A RADIO ON HIM, WALKIE OR WHATEVER TYPE, AND DID SPEAK INTO SUCH SHOWN IN A PHOTO AFTER..THE ASSASSINATION AND THEN DCM WALKS AWAY WITH THE AERIAL IS SHOWING STICKING UP ON THE BACK OF HIS JACKET...SO I AM THINKING HE IN SOME WAY MUST HAVE KNOWN DCM OR OF HIM..AS A CONTACTAND WAS THERE AS A PART......B...

October 14, 2009

I would have no problem accepting Witt as UM if it was not for the fact that he lied about what he was doing when the limo came by. If he simply didn't know what he was talking about, then he must not have been there, so he was lying about being there. This raises the question of who would put Witt up to going to the HSCA and why. If there was nothing sinister about UM, whoever he was, why did someone go to the trouble of getting him falsely identified as innocent Mr. Witt? Unless that someone was Mr. Witt himself, just trying to get fifteen minutes of fame by perjuring himself before Congress. But if I were Mr. Witt and I was going to do that, I would make sure I knew something about UM's actions before I went testifying about being him. Whoever sent Mr. Witt didn't bother to give him any coaching.

thanks ron.......IF UM WAS NOT A PART OF SOMETHING THAT DAY..THOUGH I BELIEVE WITT STATED DCM WAS A STRANGER..WHOMEVER ......HE SITS BESIDE SOMEONE WHO HAD A RADIO ON HIM, WALKIE OR WHATEVER TYPE, AND DID SPEAK INTO SUCH SHOWN IN A PHOTO AFTER..THE ASSASSINATION AND THEN DCM WALKS AWAY WITH THE AERIAL SHOWING STICKING UP ON THE BACK OF HIS JACKET...SO I AM THINKING HE IN SOME WAY MUST HAVE KNOWN DCM OR OF HIM..AS A CONTACTAND WAS THERE AS A PART......B...

October 13, 2009

''And, like so many others, cast away, forgotten, refused.'' well imo you got that right except for them also perhaps being hounded, insulted, and so on...b

October 13, 2009

[quote name='Brian O Connor' date='Oct 13 2009, 05:30 PM' post='173202'

Dealy Plaza is such a big place, and all things considered, I wonder why the UM would choose that particlar place to stand rather than say, accross the road , well out of harms way, and in clear view of the Book depository, the grassy knoll, the Daltex building, somone down in the drains, the Stemmons freeway bridge etc.

Cause` the place he choose looks to me to be a pretty awful choice, if he were trying to signal someone say on on the knoll, or someone hunkered in the drains for example, obscured as he was, by a great big TRAFFIC SIGN! And, why do they erect traffic signs and where do they get placed? They give directions, and they are set up where they in clear view of the road and easily seen by the drivers passing by. So, pumping his umbrella in the air in front of a great big road sign, who would be most likely to see it first?

[/quote/b]

hi brian ...''who would be most likely to see it first?'' I imagine only those perhaps who were watching for the signal.if as some say lho could see from the tsbd 6th floor window past signs people and all i imagine those who were ready and waiting could also...you bring up another thought why was the sign taken down after, some did say a shot hit it..and it showed a bullet hole...B

[/quote/b]

October 13, 2009

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.ph...=126&t=9620

B..

October 13, 2009

I see that the discussion has moved on and maybe my original post would have been better placed elsewhere, but here is a little more info on Mr Douglas Bazata who claimed to have made a failed assassination attempt on Gen Patton.
His description of the device that he maintains to have used in the attempt was that it worked on a spring and compressed air mechanism and could fire almost anything, even a tea cup. They found that the best projectile was a small cube shaped missile. I mention it to show that 18 years before Dallas a weapon of this type may have been available.

"Bazata's confident claims that a special weapon made in Czechoslovakia was used to strike Patton in the head. The weapon was designed to propel seemingly innocuous objects like metal or rocks at terrific force. This weapon, fired at about 10 yards away, allegedly caused the severe head wound and broke Patton's neck."

Douglas Bazata from http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/6...g4.html?cat=37:

One of the most intriguing theories that Patton was the target of a plot comes from an ex-U.S. intelligence agent who claimed he was paid to kill Patton. Douglas Bazata started his espionage career in 1926 and continued it for over 50 years in the Marine Corps and OSS. Bazata told 450 guests at the Hilton Hotel in Washington D.C. on September 25, 1979, that he was solicited by OSS head Bill Donovan to kill Patton for money.

Bazata told the Hilton Hotel audience, "For diverse political reasons, many extremely high-ranking persons hated Patton. I know who killed him. Because I am the one who was hired to do it. Ten thousand dollars. General William Donovan himself, director of the O.S.S, entrusted me with the mission. I set up the accident. Since he didn't die in the accident, he was kept in isolation in the hospital, where he was killed with an injection."[ii]

The story was reported in the Washington Star and The Spotlight magazine.[iii] Bazata claimed he was commissioned to kill Patton in a series of eight meetings with Donovan. The Washington Star reported that Bazata's interview was analyzed by a Psychological Stress Evaluator (PSE), a polygraph machine that measures stress in the voice, and reported that Bazata is telling the truth. Bazata said he was paid a total of $10,800 on two occasions by Donovan. He accepted the money and told Donovan that he would kill Patton, but in reality had no intention of trying. He said he worked with Donovan on the surface only because he feared for his life if he didn't. Soon after he was paid, Bazata was confronted by a confident and told that he too had been contracted to kill Patton. Who had hired the other man, Bazata never knew. Why Donovan wanted Patton dead was unclear to Bazata. Donovan could have been the only instigator, or been the mouthpiece for another individual or group"

THANKS BRIAN FOR THE FURTHER AND VERY INTERESTING INFORMATION........SEE BELOW FROM CUTLER AND SPRAGUE ://jfkresearch.com/forum3/index.php/topic,3276.40.html

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October 13, 2009

B..

October 13, 2009

JACK ... Jean's lamb chop... ...B WHEN I THINK FOR ONE OF ALL THE CRUMMY THINGS THAT SOME WHOM KNOW WHOM THEY ARE AND WHAT NASTIES AND INSULTS THEY HAVE HAD TO SAY ABOUT JEAN AND STILL DO IN CALLING HER A xxxx ETC RE THE WEE FLUFFY DOG THAT SHE REPORTED SHE SAW. ALL THESE YEARS AND WHOM WOULD NOT ACCEPT EITHER A FOUND FILM CLIP SHOWN SOME YEARS AGO SHOWING SUCH AT A JFK CONV.AND WAS ACCESSIBLE ON THE WEB...THAT THEY STILL CHOSE TO IGNORE, WELL NOW TO THOSE WHO THOUGHT THEY KNEW IT ALL...AND HAVE BEEN PROVEN THEY CERTAINLY DO NOT......EAT CROW..I HOPE YOU NEVER EXPECT THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT..THAT'S MORE THAN YOU DESERVE YOU CRUMMY BEGGARS...CROW CRAP..B..

Sunday, October 11, 2009

First Thoughts on the new History Channel Show JFK 3 shots that changed the World

The methodology is straight from all those 9/11 documentaries, real footage that is cut quickly and often to a black screen, a timer for the exact minute when things happen like those rolodex kind of clocks as the number flipped forward.

Yes, there are some new film clips here, largely out takes of pieces of film not used before. There has to be a great wealth of material that never made it into newscasts. We asked the ARRB to go after this stuff, but they couldn't be bothered. There is much more of the Ft. Worth breakfast, for example where the local news host, or whoever it was rambled on and on about assassination, and the previous assassinations. There was more at Love Field where a Secret Service man flings his hands into the air in a WTF moment as what he thinks is going to be his assigned spot, namely standing on the outside running board of the presidential limo is not where he is going to be. He's waved off. Vince Palamara found that. Somehow that still is not "newsworthy," for broadcast TV, or even cable TV. Also, Wallace Milam found where someone gave Jackie a white dog, probably a little stuffed animal, or perhaps the popular puppet, Lambchop, as a gift for her children when JFK and Jackie worked the fence shaking hands at Love Field. I believe that is from an NBC Black and White film. So, that means that Jean Hill was correct all along when she said she saw a little white dog between JFK and Jackie.

Posted by Joseph at 7:11 PM

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Bernice,

You've jumped the gun a bit here. I do not have images or video of this on my blog as yet. I merely wrote about Wallace Milam's discovery, but I was still looking for photographic material to demonstrate it. I'll show what you've got and posted here. BTW, if you know if this clip is online, youtube,com or elsewere let me know and I'll put that on my blog to.

Joe Backes

HI JOE..sorry if i jumped the gun somewhat but this was such good news, well to me anyway..so many witnesses are and continue to be attacked and as we now are seeing hopefully once more with new info coming to light.....she has been unfairly....HERE IS THE WEE GIF I HAVE SAVED THAT I HAVE OF LAMB CHOP THIS HAS BEEN OUT FOR MANY YEARS SINCE...93 AS REPORTED BY CONNIE....KRITZBERG

AND EVEN THOUGH THIS HAS BEEN POSTED IN THE PAST ON SEVERAL FORUMS THEY WHOMEVER, MAKE EXCUSES AND STILL CANNOT CHANGE THEIR PRE CONCEIVED IDEAS.....WHERE IT HAS APPEARED...THEY STILL ACCUSE HER OF MANY THINGS.......I DOUBT NOW, NO MATTER WHAT YOU DO FIND AND POST AND MANY THANKS FOR SUCH...THEY WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO ADMIT THEY WERE IN ERROR.IMO..EAT CROW YOU PEOPLES WHOMEVER AGAIN.......MANY THANKS FOR YOUR WORK.TAKE CARE B

http://jfkhistory.com/whitedog.gif

I have watched it many times, now one thing I notice is that

no woman handles a small bouquet of flowers, by clutching it

in the middle of such, it is held by the stems,

and the last time we see whatever, it

appears to be a small bulky item, of perhaps the same thickness

and is squarish, ?? and if you notice as her left

thumb, grasps it in the middle...whatever gives as if

it was stuffed with something soft ? could be..?..well I imagine

flowers would also do that, but..??

Could it be she was not only given a small bouquet of white

flowers but also, a Lamb Chop, Dog or such......?? I realize it is

an aside, but Jean has been given such a hard time

over the years for her recollections, and one of the few that stood firm.....but they say because she lied

about this, she lied about all...b/s...imo..So whenever I come

across anything that may prove such, Ihave snaggled it.BELOW IS ALSO the information

From "Secrets from the Sixth Floor Window"..

1994.BY .Connie Kritzberg..

page.178..

Jean Hill

"A statement made to me by Jean Hill plagued her for years, and

bothered me as well. She said there was a "fluffy white dog" between

the President and Jackie. She was ridiculed by a number of people, she

related , in her story written by Bill Sloan entitled "The Last Dissenting

Witness". I found the statement somewhat embarassing, and I wished

I had considered omitting it,( Nov.22/63 for her newspaper story, I believe

she is referring to...bm..) but there was no time for reflection.

Copy boys were relentless in seizing the paragraphs almost before the

paragraph was typed..

Only in 1993 was television news coverage shown which portrayed Jackie

Kennedy accepting a small white "Lambchops" stuffed animal which she

showed to Jack and carried to the limousine with her.

Jean Hill was vindicated, and I was vastly relieved both of us when the

footage was shown to participants at the 1993 ASK symposium held in

Dallas.

Hill had been ill, her father had recently died, and she did not see the

comforting clip.

On what small and relatively insignificant points of fact

reputations rest...."end...

I guess the problem is, was that those in attendance at the 93 Ask, in Dallas

did not get the information out.......?? Too bad, as Jean is still ridiculed

on this subject, they still use it...on the web...

I believe I recall Jack White saying that he met Jean quite often over the

years, and spoke with her many times, and she never changed her story...I Think it was Jean that was called

the "cookie lady"...during Oliver Stone's filming the "JFK movie, or was that

Mary Moorman.....??

and looked forward to her arriving....with the treats...

The Lamb Chops and Jackie photos I posted are from Jack White's research ...work..TO WHOM THE SOME IMO THEY OWE AN APOLOGY TO ALSO....

B.M ...........P.S SEEN BELOW IS A PHOTO OF JFK AND CAROLINE WITH HER PUPPET LAMB CHOP THAT HAD BEEN SEEN PUBLICIZED PREVIOUSLY IN MAGAZINES..

October 13, 2009

thanks Tom..there may be something within these files on LEE HENRY OSWALD..THAT MAY PROVE INTERESTING..B

The Mary Ferrell Foundation has completed putting online the CIA's "201" (Personality) file on Lee Henry (sic) Oswald. This collection of roughly 50,000 pages of documents includes a small pre-assassination Oswald file, followed by a huge collection of post-assassination documents related to the Warren Commission and other investigations.

http://www.maryferrell.org/wiki/index.php/...201_File_Online

from ''the hidden history of the cia''

http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...sPageId=1290642

out of the loop winston scott chapter 15

b

October 13, 2009

LEE HARVEY OSWALD FBI 451-7

http://www.nybooks.com/articles/9131

The CIA's Mystery Man

By Peter Dale Scott, Reply by Bernard Fensterwald, George O'Toole

In response to The CIA and the Man Who Was Not Oswald* (April 3, 1975)

To the Editors:

October 13, 2009

JACK ... Jean's lamb chop... ...B WHEN I THINK FOR ONE OF ALL THE CRUMMY THINGS THAT SOME WHOM KNOW WHOM THEY ARE AND WHAT NASTIES AND INSULTS THEY HAVE HAD TO SAY ABOUT JEAN AND STILL DO IN CALLING HER A xxxx ETC RE THE WEE FLUFFY DOG THAT SHE REPORTED SHE SAW. ALL THESE YEARS AND WHOM WOULD NOT ACCEPT EITHER A FOUND FILM CLIP SHOWN SOME YEARS AGO SHOWING SUCH AT A JFK CONV.AND WAS ACCESSIBLE ON THE WEB...THAT THEY STILL CHOSE TO IGNORE, WELL NOW TO THOSE WHO THOUGHT THEY KNEW IT ALL...AND HAVE BEEN PROVEN THEY CERTAINLY DO NOT......EAT CROW..I HOPE YOU NEVER EXPECT THE BENEFIT OF THE DOUBT..THAT'S MORE THAN YOU DESERVE YOU CRUMMY BEGGARS...CROW CRAP..B..
Sunday, October 11, 2009

First Thoughts on the new History Channel Show JFK 3 shots that changed the World

The methodology is straight from all those 9/11 documentaries, real footage that is cut quickly and often to a black screen, a timer for the exact minute when things happen like those rolodex kind of clocks as the number flipped forward.

Yes, there are some new film clips here, largely out takes of pieces of film not used before. There has to be a great wealth of material that never made it into newscasts. We asked the ARRB to go after this stuff, but they couldn't be bothered. There is much more of the Ft. Worth breakfast, for example where the local news host, or whoever it was rambled on and on about assassination, and the previous assassinations. There was more at Love Field where a Secret Service man flings his hands into the air in a WTF moment as what he thinks is going to be his assigned spot, namely standing on the outside running board of the presidential limo is not where he is going to be. He's waved off. Vince Palamara found that. Somehow that still is not "newsworthy," for broadcast TV, or even cable TV. Also, Wallace Milam found where someone gave Jackie a white dog, probably a little stuffed animal, or perhaps the popular puppet, Lambchop, as a gift for her children when JFK and Jackie worked the fence shaking hands at Love Field. I believe that is from an NBC Black and White film. So, that means that Jean Hill was correct all along when she said she saw a little white dog between JFK and Jackie.

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More proof, if any more is needed, that the LN community and Dallas continuing cover-up gang will use anything to discredit witnesses with the truth or researchers trying to discuss or disseminate same. Thanks Bernice!

PETER IT DOES MAKE ONE WONDER OR PERHAPS SHOULD THAT WITHIN DALLAS AND THE TSBD THAT HOLDS SO I HAVE READ MANY A TIME, SO MANY OF THE PHOTOS AND COPIES OF THE FILMS THAT HAVE BEEN PERUSED BY THE ONE IN CHARGE ....WHY WAS THIS FILM RE JEAN NOT RELEASED LONG BEFORE NOW....PERHAPS BY ONE IN CHARGE IN PARTICULAR......OR WAS IT THE FAILURE OF BEING MISFILED OR SOME OTHER SORT OF AN EXCUSE LIKE SOMEONE PERHAPS GETTING LOST ON THE WAY TO WORK ON THE STAIRS.....LIKE THE MAN WHO WASN'T THERE .....AND OR WHY NOT SEEN TILL NOW...BUT I CERTAINLY AGREE IT APPEARS MORE OFTEN THAN NOT THESE DAYS ESPECIALLY THAT THE

BRICK WALL REMAINS SECURELY IN PLACE WITHIN DALLAS...I KNOW YOU HAVE RUN INTO THIS AS I AND OTHERS HAVE IN THE PAST.....THANKS..B

October 13, 2009

One thing is certain. Witt was not the man with the umbrella.
Jack

I agree. He had over a decade to get his story straight and got it completely wrong. As I pointed out earlier in this thread, Witt testified to the HSCA that he was walking toward the motorcade trying to get his umbrella open and didn't see the shooting.

Well, the photographic evidence available doesn't back up his story. Precisely the opposite. It reveals a man standing still with an umbrella open, well above his eyeline, an un-obstructed view just before the President was shot.

Umbrella Man had a perfect view.

I don't know what the man was doing with an umbrella but there's every reason to believe it isn't Witt. Which begs the question. Why did he come forward ?

If he was part of a conspiracy surely he would have been given a cover story that matched up with photos seen here in this thread ? Perhaps he was just seeking publicity. It's plausible that the 'anonymous phone caller' who named Witt as Umbrella Man was none other than Witt himself.

SOME FROM THE HSCA AND A COUPLE FURTHER OF JACK'S STUDIES.... B

October 13, 2009

hobrad.angelfire.com/umbrella.html

But there is a problem with Witt's HSCA testimony. The photographic evidence plainly contradicts Witt's description of his actions during the moments ...

CHRIS DAVISON'S GIF...SORRY CHRIS YOURS DID NOT WORK..PERHAPS YOU HAVE IT HANDY...

Umbrella Man & Dark-Complected Man .......AND JACK'S INFORMATIVE COMP..THANKS..IN BRONSON DCMAN IS OFF THE CURB..

Plus Jim Hicks....

http://au.youtube.com/watch?v=NB-TLTWAh6s&...feature=related

B..

October 12, 2009

RON IF OF ANY HELP...B :rolleyes:

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