David Von Pein

Only if you promise to get me one of Ruby's twistboards the next time you, Lee Harvey, and Sparky get together for your next all-night elbow-bending party at the Carousel. Deal?

You weren't out drinking with Jack Ruby and LHO at the Carousel last night, were you Dean? You'd better be careful being seen with those guys, or else somebody will be accusing you of planting a bullet on the wrong stretcher at Parkland, or planting a bullet shell in the Sniper's Nest that couldn't possibly have been fired from the patsy's rifle on Nov. 22. Hey! Maybe that's the answer! The goofball plotters were hungover and/or drunk on Assassination Day! That might help explain their incoherent and idiotic-beyond-belief "Multi-Gun, One-Patsy" scheme.

What in the world are you talking about, Dean? You'd better re-read my post. It's the CTers who love to prop up Markham's 1:06 timeline--not me. Tippit was shot at approx. 1:14 to 1:15. (Bugliosi likes 1:12 and Myers likes 1:14:30.) Did you really think I was endorsing Markham's incorrect 1:06 time? BTW, in an FBI report, Markham also claimed the shooting occurred at "around 1:30". So much for her accuracy on the time.

I'll bet you love her "1:06" time for the Tippit shooting though. Right, James?

Good one, Lee. I feel exactly the same way about conspiracy theorists: http://www.Box.net/shared/scraumujf7 "The above audio link contains 26 minutes of a JFK-assassination question-and-answer session conducted by "Reclaiming History" author Vincent Bugliosi. "These audio segments are culled from an hour-long program featuring Bugliosi that was held at the Free Library of Philadelphia on June 7th, 2007, three weeks after Vince's JFK book was published. "Maybe it's just me, but whenever I hear a conspiracy theorist open his mouth at one of Bugliosi's Q&A events, I have a strong desire to reach inside my computer and slap the daylights out of him. "I know I'm probably exhibiting a built-in "pro-LN" bias by saying what I just said, but there's just something very irritating and grating (and quite obnoxious) about the people I've heard ask questions of Vincent Bugliosi during his 2007 book-promoting tour--especially the men, who are always much more obnoxious-sounding than the women who ask questions. And that fact is amply illustrated in the Q&A session linked above." -- David Von Pein; March 23, 2010

This is more laughable than I originally anticipated. Farley is citing passages from John "Two LHOs & Two Marguerites" Armstrong to bolster his claims about the wallet. Hilarious. Quiote obviously, to a conspiracy theorist named Lee Farley, NO conspiracy author is too outlandish and ridiculous to use as a source in his never-ending quest to find a conspiracy in the JFK murder case. Hence, we find Farley quoting an author who thinks that LHO and his mother were being impersonated YEARS prior to 11/22/63. Next up on Lee Farley's "citation" list: Brian "JFK Was Wearing A Pyrotechnics Device On His Head" Andersen.

Just as I thought. There is no proof for your claims re: an "Oswald" wallet being found next to J.D. Tippit's body on Tenth Street. I already knew there was no such "proof" for your ridiculous claims re: an "Oswald" wallet from 10th St. being handed over by Fritz to the FBI, because it couldn't be more obvious that no "Oswald" wallet was found on 10th Street at all. You pretty much said that same thing yesterday, Lee. I guess you changed your mind: "I've had my fill of Dave [Von Pein] to be honest. Nothing I pose gets addressed by him. He just takes you in circles." -- L. Farley; 08/15/10 Footnote--- I'm still waiting for the day when a conspiracy theorist (ANY conspiracy theorist) can explain all of their theories and suspicions and speculations about all the so-called "fake" evidence in the JFK case in a logical, coherent, believable, and reasonable fashion. Am I expecting too much when I ask for some conspiracy believer to attempt such an explanation? I was kind of hoping I could find at least a few CTers at The Education Forum who were willing to place on the table some semblance of such "CT coherence". But, thus far, my hopes are just that....hopes. And I truly think the reason that no CTer can provide such "coherence" to their conspiracy plots and theories is due to the fact that their theories are TOTALLY WORTHLESS when anyone tries to fit them into the BIG PICTURE of the assassination of President Kennedy. With a perfect example of such worthlessness being something I've been talking about for years -- which is the built-in INCOHERENCE and ABSURDITY that exists when trying to piece together two of the biggest pro-conspiracy points that CTers try to pass off as the truth (in tandem with one another!): 1.) Lee Harvey Oswald was being set up and framed as a LONE PATSY for JFK's murder months in advance of November 22, 1963. and: 2.) There were 2, 3, or maybe 4 gunmen firing at JFK from various directions in Dealey Plaza. Attempting to reconcile the inherent absurdity, complexity, insanity, and sheer impossibility of the above two things (which are things that many conspiracists actually think DID occur in conjunction with one another) is just about an impossible (and futile) task. Maybe that's why I rarely get an answer whenever I dare ask conspiracy theorists why they believe in both #1 and #2 above.

Citation please. BTW, any such wallet you're referring to (if it existed at all and if it was really Oswald's) would have to be LHO's spare wallet that he kept at the Paine house, or the wallet LHO had on him when he was arrested. Marina testified to the existence of Oswald's spare wallet at the Paine home. In any event, we can know with nearly 100% certainty that any wallet turned over to the FBI by Captain Fritz on Nov. 27th was not an OSWALD wallet that was found by Tippit's body on Tenth Street.

Brother! What a nice tidy batch of pure nonsense by Lee Farley in his last post. Pure crap, riddled with nothing but speculation, including this: Citation please. Can you provide me with a link to anything that comes close to corroborating the above hunk of tripe, Lee. And you think that Fritz AND the FBI had OSWALD'S wallet (from 10th St.), but then they STILL didn't say a word about it to the WC or in ANY of their reports--even though they were, in effect, FRAMING OSWALD? Yeah, that makes a whole lot of sense, Lee.

What "FBI receipt"? Are you talking about the DPD inventory sheet of Tippit's effects previously posted, Lee? Is there supposedly an "FBI receipt" that specifically states that Tippit's wallet was taken off of his body at Methodist? Can you link to that please?

LOL. So what? It's still a quote from the REA VP. Probably because the Warren Commission knew that the question of "How Did LHO Pick Up His Revolver?" was merely a side/peripheral matter (at best). IOW--Who cares how he got the gun? The WC knew for a FACT that Revolver V510210 was Oswald's gun and that that same gun was in Oswald's hands at 1:50 PM on Nov. 22 and that that same gun was the gun that killed Tippit. Case closed on this issue. And it doesn't make a damn bit of difference which precise method was utilized by Oswald to obtain that gun in March. And it also doesn't make a bit of difference WHERE and WHEN he purchased the four bullets that he pumped into Tippit's body with that V510210 revolver. Only in the world of "Anybody But Oswald" conspiracy mongers is such trivial information the slightest bit important. But to reasonable people--no.

Citation please? Citation? McAdams put that silliness to bed in your Sep/Oct '09 debate. Naturally, you think McAdams is full of xxxx. But the protestations of an Anybody-But-Oswald CTer couldn't possibly matter less when compared with the evidence that says those CTers are really the ones who are full of excrement.

Lee, We can know that the wallet on Tenth Street was not Oswald's. How? Because if it had been Oswald's, then that fact would have been provided by SOMEBODY on the DPD in their reports AFTER THE SAME GUY (OSWALD) WAS CHARGED WITH TIPPIT'S MURDER. Don't you think a piece of evidence like THE KILLER'S WALLET BEING FOUND RIGHT NEXT TO THE MURDER VICTIM would be a pretty valuable and solid piece of evidence for the cops to mention? But they didn't--even though (per many CTers) those SAME COPS were actually trying to FRAME Oswald for Tippit's murder! In a situation like that one, the crooked cops would have certainly been propping up the fake Oswald wallet for everybody to see. And yet they STILL said not a word about it. And the reason they didn't say a word about it is because the wallet being examined by the police in Reiland's film was COMPLETELY IMMATERIAL to the Tippit murder investigation. It might not have been "found" on the ground at all. But if it was, it certainly was not Lee Oswald's wallet (or a fake variation thereof).

Yes, he did. And you know he did. But that won't stop you from repeating your nonsense for a 14th time tomorrow will it Jim? And yet BOTH the WC and the HSCA didn't have a problem with that money order going through the system in 24 hours, did they Jim? BOTH Govt. committees were filled with nothing but rotten liars and cover-uppers, right Jim? BOTH of them--14 YEARS APART FROM ONE ANOTHER! You're living in a dream world of conspiracy/cover-up fantasy, Jim. And you surely must realize that fact. Plus: If what you're saying is true (which it obviously isn't)--i.e., that there's no way Oswald's money order could have done what it did in about 24 hours in 1963--then it only shows that the people who were trying to make it look like it DID do those things in 24 hours WERE TOTAL IDIOTS AND DIDN'T HAVE THE SLIGHTEST IDEA WHAT THEY WERE DOING WHEN THEY ATTEMPTED TO FAKE THE MONEY ORDER AND SEND IT TO CHICAGO IN JUST 24 HOURS! Boy, what a bunch of goofball plotters you've got there, Jimbo! Including the dunceheads at DPD who made Buell Frazier & Linnie Mae create from thin air a paper bag--and then the Goober Pyle-like cops apparently told them TO SAY THAT THE BAG WAS ONLY 27 INCHES LONG! Even Ernest T. Bass wasn't this stupid, Jim! But evidently the DPD was, right? And then there's the goofiest part of DiEugenio's theory of all: The plotters are setting up ONLY OSWALD from the TSBD....but these plotters (with a combined I.Q. of dirt) decide it would be a great "single patsy" plan to go ahead and shoot President Kennedy FROM SEVERAL DIFFERENT LOCATIONS in Dealey Plaza. Luckily, though, the plotters with IQs of really dumb dirt didn't need to worry about their multiple NON-OSWALD bullets striking any limo victims--because, thank the Maker, the US Government AND the Dallas Police were right on the scene to buttress the one-patsy, multi-gun plot....with the DPD and the Warren boys, luckily, WANTING TO FRAME THE EXACT SAME PATSY NAMED OSWALD THAT THE PLOTTERS (with IQs of dirt) WERE TRYING TO FRAME PRIOR TO NOV. 22! Those goofball plotters must have cleaned up in Vegas, because they were the luckiest plotters ever to conspire to kill a President. Bar none.

Yes, he did. And I have pointed out that additional information to Jim DiEugenio on several occasions since Dale provided that info on August 5, 2010 (which was actually a reprinted article of Myers' from 1998, but I certainly had not seen it until this month). Myers cited a quote from the REA Vice President re: how packages are picked up via the REA Express system of delivery. But Jim D. is apparently never going to get tired of saying that I backed Myers merely because an LNer (Myers) said the same thing a CTer (DiEugenio) had been saying all along. But that's simply not true. And I've told Jimmy D. this several times. [see my "EDIT" about 40% of the way down THIS WEBPAGE.]

I guess perhaps Jim and everyone else missed this quote from Marina's HSCA testimony (even though Michael H. quoted it above): "But when I gave testimony to the Warren Commission, it was all the truth." Is the above quote another lie from the lips of Marina?

Quoting Ron Reiland (from the afternoon of 11/22/63): "This is the officer's billfold that was found lying on the ground right alongside of the car." http://dvp-potpourri.blogspot.com/2009/12/reiland-film-november-22-1963.html

Yeah, and the person who shot that film (Ron Reiland) told everybody on live TV within hours of filming the scene that the wallet was Tippit's. Reiland's exact quote: "This is the officer's billfold that was found lying on the ground right alongside of the car." Watch Ron Reiland's Film Here So, where did Reiland get the idea that the wallet was Tippit's, do you think Jim? Did he just pull that out of his ass? Your favorite author of all-time, Vincent T. Bugliosi, has the likely answer (which makes all kinds of common sense): "If I had to wager, I’d conclude it was Tippit’s wallet, and the reason Reiland stated, on WFAA film, that it was Tippit’s wallet is that the police had informed him at the scene that it was [emphasis added by DVP]. Quite apart from Barrett, it makes no sense to me that the Dallas police and detectives, several of whom were Tippit’s friends, would keep from the world that his killer’s wallet was found near his body." -- VB; Page 456 of "Reclaiming History" (Endnotes)

When did I ever suggest such a foolish and stupid thing, Jim? Answer: Never. But you have no proof that a DPD officer didn't take Tippit's wallet from 10th Street to either Methodist or Parkland between the time Tippit was shot and the time Captain Doughty signed-off on the document which catalogues all of Tippit's personal belongings at 3:25 PM. Allow me to quote Jim DiEugenio's favorite author of all-time, Vincent T. Bugliosi: "But whose wallet was it? Dallas WFAA-TV cameraman Ron Reiland, narrating the silent footage for his viewers, said it was Tippit’s wallet. Apart from [Dale] Myers saying that Reiland’s reportage over the assassination weekend contained numerous factual errors, the main reason why Myers rejects the possibility that the wallet was Tippit’s is that “1 Black Billfold” was listed among Tippit’s personal effects, and Myers says, “The only item known to have been brought to the hospital [Methodist, and later Parkland] and added to Tippit’s personal effects was Tippit’s revolver, which by all accounts was left behind at the murder scene” (Myers, With Malice, pp.299–300). "But we know that several officers went to Methodist Hospital, where Tippit’s body was brought into the emergency ward, and they could have brought Tippit’s wallet from the murder scene to either there or Parkland. There certainly was plenty of time to do so before Tippit’s personal property was inventoried, at 3:25 p.m. [emphasis added by DVP] (Document titled “Identification Bureau Crime Scene Search Section, Police Department, Dallas, Texas,” box 9, folder 2, item 3, DMA; Myers, With Malice, p.301). "Certainly, the mere absence of any statement or documentary evidence that an item of personal property (the wallet) was added to Tippit’s personal effects would not be strong evidence that such an event never took place. "But if, indeed, it was Tippit’s wallet, why didn’t civilian witnesses like Jack Tatum, Ted Callaway, and the two ambulance attendants, Eddie Kinsley and J. C. Butler, see the wallet lying next to Tippit’s body? Nor did Joe Poe and Leonard Jez, two of the first officers to arrive at the scene. (Myers, With Malice, p.300) "One thing we can be reasonably certain about: the wallet was not Oswald’s. Myers closely compared a close-up photo of Oswald’s arrest wallet (FBI Exhibit B-1) with the wallet found at the murder scene and found definite physical differences, causing him to conclude that “the Oswald arrest wallet is not the same billfold seen in the WFAA newsfilm” (Myers, With Malice, pp.298–299). "Furthermore, a Dallas police officer had just been slain. It is inconceivable that members of the Dallas Police Department like Captains Westbrook and Doughty and Sergeant Hill would suppress and keep secret the fact that Tippit’s killer had left his calling card at the murder scene. That simply would not, could not, have happened. If Oswald’s wallet had been found at the murder scene, it is inconceivable that nowhere in the testimony or the reports of Westbrook, Hill, Doughty, Poe, and so on, would they bother to mention this extremely important fact." -- Page 454 of "Reclaiming History" (Endnotes)

It's been pointed out to Jim D. before (by me, just yesterday) that Oswald mailed his rifle order form and money order via air mail, which is why it travelled from Dallas to Chicago in just one day. Simple. Oswald also most likely mailed the Klein's order very early in the morning on March 12th, which would have made it even easier for an AIR MAIL letter to start out in Texas on March 12 (AM) and arrive in Illinois sometime on March 13. Naturally, Jim D. ignores the "Air Mail" notation on CE785. Will I have to repeat this for a ninth time tomorrow, Jim?

~sigh~ How many times do I have to repeat this, Jim?: Dale Myers provided additional information from the REA Vice President on this matter. Will I have to repeat this a fourth time for you tomorrow, Jim?

MORE WALLET TALK: Even though I have stated in the past that I think the "mystery wallet on 10th Street" was J.D. Tippit's wallet (and I do still think that is the best guess), I'm not even sure there was any wallet found on the ground next to Tippit's body at all on 11/22/63. There's not a single witness at the scene of the crime who said they saw a wallet lying by Tippit's body (or even UNDERNEATH his body after Tippit was taken from the scene by ambulance). And I think Vince Bugliosi makes a small error in his endnotes of "RH" when he says that Dale Myers proves that a wallet was "found at the murder scene" (via the unearthing of the WFAA/Ron Reiland film). Yes, a wallet might have been "found" next to Tippit's body, but the witness testimony from those people who were there would indicate that no wallet was on the ground at all. And just because Reiland filmed Sergeant Bud Owens of the DPD holding a wallet, that fact doesn't have to mean the wallet in the film was "found" on the ground at the scene of the murder. That's leaping to a conclusion that hasn't really been proven beyond a reasonable doubt, IMO. Bottom Line (and Vince Bugliosi admits this in his book too, with Vince calling the wallet incident a "true mystery" [RH; p.453 of endnotes] -- Nobody knows for sure who owned the wallet that is seen in Ron Reiland's WFAA-TV film.

Read the document I posted above from the Dallas Municipal Archives, Jim. It doesn't prove what you think it proves about the wallet.

Never mind, Jim. I found it myself, via the files of the Dallas Municipal Archives (Box 9; Folder 2; Item 3), shown below. And (just as I suspected) this document showing Tippit's personal property most definitely does NOT prove that Tippit's wallet was taken off of his body at Methodist Hospital (or at Parkland, where he was taken for his autopsy). How can I know? Because Tippit's service revolver is ALSO listed on this inventory of Tippit's personal property ("1 SW Rev Ser # 138278"). And we know that Tippit's revolver was LEFT AT THE MURDER SCENE after Tippit was shot, being picked up by witness Ted Callaway. Therefore, the "Black Billfold" listed in this document didn't necessarily have to be taken off of Tippit's body at Methodist or Parkland.

It's very difficult to get all the way through one of Jim DiEugenio's "Everybody's A xxxx" type of posts without laughing or vomiting. (Or both.) Jim, in what document can I find the info about Tippit's wallet being taken off of his corpse at Methodist Hospital? Thank you. http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/07/wallets-part-1.html http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/07/wallets-part-2.html http://jfk-archives.blogspot.com/2010/07/wallets-part-3.html --------- From Part 3 of the above "Wallets" series: "If the cops (or whoever) had actually planted the wallet on Tenth Street to incriminate Lee Oswald, then the DPD would certainly have been propping up that wallet for everybody to see! "The fact that NO POLICE REPORT mentions anything about a wallet being found near Tippit's body is, all by itself, proof that the wallet that is seen in Ron Reiland's TV film is not Lee Harvey Oswald's wallet. "And even conspiracy theorists like Jim DiEugenio (who thinks the DPD was up to its collective necks in conspiracy and plotting and planting evidence all over Dallas on 11/22/63) should realize the built-in common sense and truth that exists in the last sentence I just wrote above. "BTW, one of those "three" Oswald wallets that DiEugenio was talking about is a wallet that Oswald was known to keep his "savings" in (vs. his regular wallet that he carried with him every day). That fact is proven by way of Marina Oswald's Warren Commission testimony below: "MARINA OSWALD -- "In my room at Ruth Paine's there was a black wallet in a wardrobe. Whenever Lee would come he would put money in there, but I never counted it." [1 H 69] "In addition to the above Warren Commission testimony, the "spare wallet" fact is confirmed in another official document as well -- a November 28, 1963, FBI interview with Marina Oswald (which is part of CE1781): " "She [Marina] said [Lee] OSWALD had a wallet which he kept in the apartment in New Orleans with this money that he was saving." [CE1781; at 23 H 387] "And since we know beyond all reasonable doubt that the wallet seen in Ron Reiland's film is not Oswald's wallet, the final tally of wallets known to be owned by Lee Harvey Oswald on 11/22/63 is two -- his regular wallet that he carried with him (which was removed from Oswald's pocket by police immediately after his arrest), plus the wallet that he used to store larger sums of cash." -- DVP