David Von Pein

Oh, good Lord! Now the Kaack report from 10/31/63 and the Quigley report from 8/10/63 are fakes too, is that correct? There was simply NO END to the number of people who were willing to frame this schnook named Oswald in '63, was there? If it took 10,000 people....then 10,000 it is. Ridiculous.

HIDELL ADDENDUM: I just now realized that there is additional evidence that proves the name "A.J. Hidell" was a name Oswald was using as an alias while in New Orleans during the summer of 1963 (apart from Marina Oswald's testimony and the documents linking the "Hidell" name to Oswald via the order forms for the guns). That additional evidence is CE826, which is an FBI report filed by New Orleans agent Milton Kaack on October 31, 1963, three weeks BEFORE the assassination. The name "HIDELL" surfaces numerous times in CE826, during FBI Agent John Quigley's report about his personal interview with Oswald in the New Orleans police station in August '63. (Quigley's report is a part of Kaack's report.) HERE'S the complete 17-page Kaack report. [An excerpt with several "Hidell" references is pictured below.] More About Commission Exhibit 826

You can save yourself the trouble, Lee. I know what your responses will be: Total conjecture and nothing of substance. As per usual. You're a JFK Conspiracy Theorist, so how could I expect ACTUAL EVIDENCE to back up a CTer's claims, when no such actual evidence exists in the first place? After all, you're not Houdini. And in the final analysis, a bunch of speculation and suspicions coming from a covey of Anybody-But-Oswald hobbyists couldn't possibly matter less when stacked up against the huge pile of evidence that proves Lee Harvey Oswald was a double-murderer.

So Cadigan and Cole are liars then, huh Lee? "A piece of piss"??? Oswald was both smart and stupid at the same time. (Not an uncommon blend of human traits, actually.) Oswald, of course, didn't purchase his mail-order rifle so that he could kill JFK. He bought the rifle to kill General Walker. (But, yes, it's a similar situation--i.e., buying a gun through the mail using an alias, and then using that gun to commit the illegal act of an assassination attempt. But he did it all the same.) I've often wondered why in the world Oswald didn't get rid of Rifle C2766 after his unsuccessful attempt at murdering Edwin Walker. LHO surely had to be following the Walker story closely, and probably knew the bullet had been recovered from Walker's house. Keeping the rifle after that point in time was stupid on Oswald's part. But he kept it all the same. Maybe his cheapskate nature played a part in it. Perhaps he said to himself: "I'm not spending $21.45 on a rifle just to fire one bullet from it." Oswald, however, was smart on 11/22/63, in that he was able to keep his rifle hidden all the way up to 12:30 PM. And the "curtain rod" lie was pretty smart too, because it gave LHO a double excuse for the "package" -- 1.) the excuse for riding to Irving with Wesley Frazier on Thursday night; and 2.) the curtain rod lie explained the physical package on Nov. 22. We can second-guess Oswald's motives and gun-purchasing actions all day long, but the best evidence tells us that Lee Harvey Oswald DID, indeed, order two guns via mail-order in early 1963. Stupid or not--he did it. Huh? What wallet? Are you suggesting there really WAS a "mystery wallet" that was turned over to the FBI by Captain J.W. Fritz "five days" after the assassination? I'd sure like to see that wallet. (Of course, it doesn't exist.) The wallet seen in Ron Reiland's film could have belonged to anyone at the scene of the crime--including J.D. Tippit. And I don't think there is any document that expressly says that Tippit's wallet was taken out of one of his pockets after Tippit was taken to Methodist Hospital (and then, later, to Parkland Hospital). If such a document exists, please post a link to it. This is more "conspiracy myth". If Fritz was made aware of Oswald's 1026 N. Beckley Avenue address at an "early" time on November 22nd, it very likely came about in a regular and ordinary manner. Are you suggesting that Fritz was "in" on a plot to frame Oswald on the afternoon of November 22nd? Why on Earth would Fritz and the DPD want to FRAME an INNOCENT Oswald for either JFK's murder or Tippit's murder? That's just plain silly talk. I know a lot of people believe that Fritz was part of some kind of "Let's Frame Oswald" plot. But, in my opinion, it's just nutty to believe such a thing in the first place. So the name "Hidell" wasn't mentioned by anybody prior to Jesse Curry's hallway interview on Saturday, November 23rd. Big freakin' deal! So what? What does it prove? Answer: It proves nothing. And we're only talking 24 hours or so after the assassination. Curry mentioned the name "A. Hidell" to the press and the world on live television on the afternoon (or early evening) of November 23. And I suppose you think Marina Oswald was a xxxx too, right? She testified that she first heard about her husband using the alias "Hidell" while she and LHO were still living in New Orleans in the summer of 1963, many months before the assassination. Footnote--- Both the Warren Commission and the HSCA concluded that Lee Oswald used the alias "Hidell" to order the C2766 rifle that killed JFK and the revolver that killed Officer Tippit. Can you, Lee, provide a good, solid, and reasonable explanation for why BOTH of those U.S. Government investigative committees totally blew it when it comes to Oswald using the Hidell alias (if, in fact, strong evidence actually points in the other direction--i.e., toward the direction of the name "Hidell" being invented by someone other than Lee Harvey Oswald)? And how is it possible for BOTH of those committees (the WC and the HSCA) to have gotten things so totally wrong (from the CTers' POV) with respect to their identical conclusion of Oswald being the person who killed JFK and Tippit? (Particularly the HSCA, which was an organization that desperately wanted to find a conspiracy in the case.) BOTH the WC and the HSCA were filled with liars, Lee? Do you really believe that? Really??

I don't want to harp on this too much more (I'll stop doing it after this post), but just "for the record" I wanted to show another document written by Lee Harvey Oswald that includes a combination of upper-case and lower-case Es in it (CE779). It looks more like a CHOICE Oswald is making regarding the Es he is printing:

LEE FARLEY SAID: >>> "What I meant by "turning it on and off" was that all of this is done unconsciously, Dave. There's a learning process that he has gone through on these examples you provide. He didn't sit and make a conscious decision to use an upper case E on his name and a lower case e on the word TeXAS, each time he wrote it. He "learned" to do it that way. He saw it in his head that way and that's what got transfered onto paper." <<< DVP SAID: You could be right, Lee. But I'd also say it's possible that Oswald CHOSE to print certain letters the way he did, vs. it being done "unconsciously" on LHO's part. LEE FARLEY SAID: >>> "The final point I'll raise on his handwriting is this. It's very easy to forge don't you think? Especially the way he seems to go over his own writing several times with the pen. Give me 20 minutes and I could provide you with handwriting very similar from my own hand. You did suggest sarcastically that Jack Ruby was forging Lee's handwriting. If you think I think this then think again. I believe it was one of your family members. RVP. But, I'd sooner you reply to my post regarding the name "Hidell" and the anomalies involved." <<< DVP SAID: No, it would not be easy to forge (according to the handwriting analysts who have studied Oswald's writing and printing). If a person's unique writing were easy to forge and fake, then no handwriting analyst in the world could say this: "Commission Exhibit No. 793 was written by Lee Harvey Oswald...based upon finding the same combination of individual handwriting and hand printing characteristics in both the questioned writing and the known standards." -- James C. Cadigan; Questioned Documents Expert for the FBI [7 H 426] http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0353b.htm http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh7/html/WC_Vol7_0217b.htm RE: HIDELL "ANOMALIES": Why would anyone frame Oswald by using the name "Hidell"? Just...why? Why not just use his own name--Oswald? That would certainly tie everything to the "patsy" much nicer, wouldn't it? Bottom Line--Nobody was using "Hidell" to frame Lee H. Oswald. Oswald invented the name, used it to order some guns in March, and then killed two people with those guns in November. Pretending Oswald was framed doesn't get anybody anywhere. It's easy to say that somebody was framed. But PROVING the frame-up is an uphill battle. And in this "Oswald/Hidell" instance, we'd have to have Oswald HIMSELF joining in the frame-up to set up himself as a patsy, given Oswald's own incriminating actions on November 22.

Oswald sent it AIR MAIL, Jim. As seen in Waldman Exhibit No. 8 [pictured below]. And I'd be willing to bet that Oswald also mailed the order form to Seaport Traders in Los Angeles (for the revolver) on the very same day (March 12, 1963), and that Oswald mailed that order form via Air Mail too. Which is why we find "March 13" dates on the internal paperwork for BOTH of those Oswald/Hidell gun orders at both Klein's in Chicago and Seaport in L.A.

LOL. Of course I am. And any rational, sensible, reasonable person would do the very same thing. Jim apparently thinks a key piece of evidence like the money order Lee Oswald made out to Klein's Sporting Goods is supposed to be IGNORED and/or DISMISSED. How nice and convenient for you, Jim, that you feel so comfortable merely dismissing the testimony of the handwriting experts. Of course, as we all know, Jim and his fellow Anybody-But-Oswald groupies don't have the slightest hesitation whatsoever in throwing ALL of the evidence that points to Patsy Oswald out the nearest window. My, how convenient. It means NOTHING to Jim D. & the ABO crowd that every official investigative committee who has ever looked into JFK's murder has determined that LEE HARVEY OSWALD killed President Kennedy. The irrevocable fact that has BOTH the Warren Commission AND the House Select Committee coming to the same conclusion about OSWALD being the only person in Dealey Plaza who hit any victim with any bullets on Nov. 22 is a fact that people like Jim DiEugenio will totally ignore. Mind-boggling....isn't it?

Jim DiEugenio said: I don't believe for a single solitary second that the FBI called up Darrell Tomlinson on the night of the assassination and told him to "shut up" about the bullet he found. I find it impossible to believe that the FBI actually said those two words ("shut up") to Tomlinson. My guess is that the conspiracy author who wrote about that FBI phone call to Tomlinson was putting a nice healthy layer of "conspiracy spin" on the whole thing. And it's possible that Tomlinson himself was putting a layer of CT spin on the story too. Tomlinson, after all, is a man who told the Warren Commission no fewer than TEN TIMES that he was not sure which stretcher he had taken off of the elevator at Parkland, and yet Darrell's memory improved greatly in the 24 years following his 1964 WC session, when he told the PBS-TV cameras in 1988 that he was absolutely positive that the stretcher he took from the elevator was the stretcher that did NOT have a bullet on it. What very likely happened is this: The FBI called up Darrell Tomlinson (which, I'll admit, is a telephone call that the FBI could have possibly made), and since it was very late on Nov. 22, it probably meant that Oswald had already been formally charged with the murder of President Kennedy (LHO was officially charged with the assassination at 11:26 PM CST on Nov. 22). The FBI, knowing that Tomlinson had found a bullet on a stretcher at Parkland Hospital, then told Tomlinson it would probably be a good idea not to discuss the details of his finding that bullet with anyone until Oswald's court trial could take place. Yes, the above scenario is just a guess on my part. But it makes a lot of (common) sense to me. And I certainly don't believe for a minute that the FBI was involved in any kind of a cover-up or a conspiracy in connection with the stretcher bullet that Tomlinson found at Parkland. And I'd bet the farm that the words "shut up" were never uttered by any FBI agent during the course of any telephone call between the Federal Bureau of Investigation and Darrell C. Tomlinson.

Well, in the case of the letter "e", I think you're wrong. Lee Harvey Oswald did, in effect, turn it "on and off", because he didn't always use a lower-case "e" when he was PRINTING. Below are two examples of what I mean -- when printing his own first name, Oswald would many times capitalize the two Es in "Lee". But at the same time, he would use lower-case letters for the L and D in "Oswald". But as far as the specific letter "E", Oswald would sometimes use upper-case and sometimes lower-case when PRINTING out his words. For example, in CE793/794, we see that Oswald used a mixture of lower-case and upper-case Es multiple times -- he used upper-case Es for "Lee", "New", and "Orleans". But he used lower-case Es for "Texas" and "Magazine". This indicates that he certainly had some control over the letters he was printing. In other words, his lower-case Es don't appear to be "involuntary" on his part.

Dyslexia Footnote---- I'll admit--I'm no "dyslexia" expert. And maybe I "jumped the gun" too, Lee. My apologies. Perhaps the mixing of lower-case and upper-case letters is, indeed, a form of dyslexia (even when the person is spelling the words totally correctly, as in Oswald's many "DALLAS, TeXAS" writings). Another thought on this point though: I really think that this particular "shortcut" of a lower-case "e" instead of an upper-case "E" is actually more akin to laziness than anything else. I said in a previous post that I, myself, tend to take such shortcuts with lower-case letters when I'm printing out words. And, come to think about it a little more, I think it's invariably the letter E that I most often take that shortcut with. It's much easier (and faster) to print a lower-case E than it is to take the time to print an upper-case E, with the upper-case version requiring four separate strokes of the pen/pencil, vs. just one single curly stroke with a lower-case "e". Perhaps Oswald felt the need to take this oft-used "E" shortcut too. Could be just plain laziness. Or wanting to write stuff out as fast as possible. My $0.02.

--- Deleted original message aimed at Lee Farley (after reading his last "jumped the gun" post). ---

BTW, Oswald's quirk of mixing lower-case and upper-case letters only occurred when LHO was PRINTING something. It didn't happen when he was writing in cursive style, such as the example [below] that Lee Farley was using previously when he was talking about Oswald's dyslexic tendencies. Except for the word "box" here (and the "A" in "A. Hidell"), everything Oswald wrote on the money order to Klein's was written in cursive. So, naturally, we're not likely to see the combination of lower-case and upper-case letters here, and we don't:

Farley thinks mixing lower and upper case letters is a form of dyslexia (even when Oswald spells the word correctly--like "DALLAS, TeXAS"). But I don't think that's really any form of dyslexia--because, as mentioned, Oswald spelled it correctly, without transposing letters around. I'd call it an Oswald quirk. Not dyslexia. Heck, I do the very same thing lots of times when I print something. DYSLEXIA -- (Merriam-Webster): "A variable often familial learning disability involving difficulties in acquiring and processing language that is typically manifested by a lack of proficiency in reading, spelling, and writing." http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dyslexia

LOL. This is a screamer. Farley posts something about dyslexia as it relates ONLY to something Oswald wrote down on a piece of paper (i.e., his writing/spelling)....but I guess I'm supposed to attach the OTHER meanings of dyslexia to Oswald's WRITTEN WORDS. Was I supposed to be able to magically HEAR Oswald talking to himself in a dyslexic fashion by way of studying his written words on a piece of paper, Lee?

Michael Hogan, Do you really believe Oswald's handwriting was faked on all 5 of the documents I mentioned above?

Yeah. Jack Ruby (the guy who obviously faked Oswald's handwriting on every document connected to the JFK murder case) should have deliberately misspelled some words, just to make the forgeries look more "dyslexic friendly". That silly Mr. Rubenstein. What the hell was he thinking when framing Patsy Oswald? You've solved the case, Lee! Congrats!

So, Martin, was somebody supposedly framing Lee Oswald for JFK's murder eight months in advance, via this money order made out in the name Hidell? Or is the March 12th date supposedly phony too?:

Oswald himself signed this phony card with the name "Alek J. Hidell": http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0354b.htm And Oswald himself wrote the name "A.J. Hidell" on this order form: http://i217.photobucket.com/albums/cc151/David_Von_Pein/MISCELLANEOUS%20JFK-RELATED%20PHOTOS/CE790.jpg And Oswald himself wrote the name "A. Hidell" on this money order: http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh17/html/WH_Vol17_0352a.htm And Oswald himself wrote the name "A. Hidell" on this order form and envelope: http://history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh21/html/WH_Vol21_0364b.htm In light of the above five documents, there can be no doubt that Lee Harvey Oswald utilized the alias A.J. Hidell in 1963, regardless of what the infamous Sylvia Meagher had to say in her book.

Hi Bill, Yes, DPD Detective Paul Bentley did tell WFAA-TV on Nov. 23rd that Oswald had a driver's license, which was obviously an error, since we know that Oswald had no driver's license at all. But you can tell that Bentley wasn't exactly sure what cards and ID were pulled from LHO's wallet. Bentley didn't closely examine every one of the documents in Oswald's wallet. Bentley also said that there were "credit cards" pulled from Oswald's wallet, too -- which is another obvious mistake, because we know that Oswald had no credit cards either. So, Bentley's examination of all the cards found in Oswald's possession after his arrest at the Texas Theater was obviously not a very detailed one. Paul Bentley 11/23/63 Interview As for the fake "Hidell" Selective Service card that Oswald created, the forgery I suppose could be looked upon as being sophisticated to some degree, but the Warren Commission's experts certainly weren't fooled by the forgery attempt. The WC goes into quite a bit of detail about how the fake Selective Service System card was made [see WR, p. 571-576]:

So, Martin Hay, you don't think the Hidell signature in CE795/796 was penned by Oswald? See CE3105 and the testimony of Alwyn Cole (questioned documents expert for the Department of the Treasury) at 4 H 392, verifying that the "Alek J. Hidell" signature on this Selective Service card was written by Lee Harvey Oswald:

Bullxxxx. There were two pieces of "Hidell" identification taken out of Oswald's wallet by the police after LHO's arrest. And the signature of "Alek J. Hidell" that appears on the Selective Service System card (CE795 and CE796) is in the handwriting of Lee Harvey Oswald, without a shred of a doubt. So, unless Oswald was framing himself, then it's quite obvious that the name "Hidell" wasn't just made up from whole cloth by the police after the assassination. Certain conspiracy mongers, as usual, will try desperately to mold the evidence into something it is not....just as Lee Farley is attempting to do in this forum thread when he uttered this outlandish and ridiculous statement (for which there is ZERO credible evidence to offer up as support for it): "The whole "Hidell" situation is beyond bizarre and I don't buy for a second that Oswald had this ID on him in the patrol car." Of course, all reasonable people who aren't lifetime members of the "Anybody But Oswald" fan club also know that the name "Hidell" was written BY OSWALD HIMSELF on the two order forms that Oswald filled out for the revolver and the rifle. There is no question about that irrevocable fact (despite the constant protests coming from the ABO members). There's also this testimony from Gerald Hill: GERALD L. HILL. I asked Paul Bentley, "Why don't you see if he has any identification." Paul was sitting sort of sideways in the seat, and with his right hand he reached down and felt of the suspect's left hip pocket and said, "Yes, he has a billfold," and took it out. I never did have the billfold in my possession, but the name Lee Oswald was called out by Bentley from the back seat, and said this identification, I believe, was on the library card. And he also made the statement that there was some more identification in this other name which I don't remember, but it was the same name that later came in the paper that he bought the gun under. DAVID W. BELIN. Would the name Hidell mean anything? Alek Hidell? Mr. HILL. That would be similar. I couldn't say specifically that is what it was, because this was a conversation and I never did see it written down, but that sounds like the name that I heard. Mr. BELIN. Was this the first time you learned of the name? Mr. HILL. Yes; it was. ==================== There is also Marina Oswald's Warren Commission testimony regarding the name Hidell. Marina, however, must have been confused about when she first heard the fictitious name "Hidell", because she couldn't possibly have heard the name "Hidell" on either one of Lee Oswald's WDSU radio appearances, because the name "Hidell" is never mentioned once during either of those two New Orleans radio programs in August 1963. Lee Harvey Oswald On The Radio I suppose conspiracy theorists think that the name "Hidell" was placed into Marina Oswald's mouth during the Warren Commission testimony excerpted below (due to the fact we know she's wrong about when she first heard the name). But regardless of Marina's confusion about the radio programs, it's fairly obvious that Marina herself knew that her husband was using the name Hidell as an alias at some point well prior to the assassination of JFK: J. LEE RANKIN. Have you ever heard that he used the fictitious name Hidell? MARINA OSWALD. Yes. Mr. RANKIN. When did you first learn that he used such a name? Mrs. OSWALD. In New Orleans. Mr. RANKIN. How did you learn that? Mrs. OSWALD. When he was interviewed by some anti-Cubans, he used this name and spoke of an organization. I knew there was no such organization. And I know that Hidell is merely an altered Fidel, and I laughed at such foolishness. My imagination didn't work that way. Mr. RANKIN. Did you say anything to him about it at that time? Mrs. OSWALD. I said that it wasn't a nice thing to do and some day it would be discovered anyhow. [...] Mr. RANKIN. Except for the time in New Orleans that you described, and the time you called to Dallas to ask for your husband, do you know of any other time your husband was using an assumed name? Mrs. OSWALD. No, no more. Mr. RANKIN. Did you think he was using that assumed name in connection with this Fair Play for Cuba activity or something else? Mrs. OSWALD. The name Hidell...was in connection with his activity with the non-existing organization. Mr. RANKIN. Did you and your husband live under the name Hidell in New Orleans? Mrs. OSWALD. No. Mr. RANKIN. You were never identified as the Hidells, as far as you knew, while you were there? Mrs. OSWALD. No. No one knew that Lee was Hidell. Mr. RANKIN. How did you discover it, then? Mrs. OSWALD. I already said that when I listened to the radio, they spoke of that name, and I asked him who, and he said that it was he. Mr. RANKIN. Was that after the arrest? Mrs. OSWALD. I don't remember when the interview took place, before the arrest or after. Mr. RANKIN. But it was in regard to some interview for radio transmission, and he had identified himself as Hidell, rather than Oswald, is that right? Mrs. OSWALD. No--he represented himself as Oswald, but he said that the organization which he supposedly represents is headed by Hidell. http://mcadams.posc.mu.edu/russ/testimony/oswald_m1.htm

I'm well aware of that fact, Jim. But I've also noticed that you, just like me, have posted messages at all hours of the day and night. It's not an observation that means a darn thing. It's merely an observation that I find interesting. (Probably because I keep very odd hours as well.) In fact, James DiEugenio, over a short period of time, has posted messages at The Education Forum during every single hour of the 24-hour day (linked below). I'm fairly certain that I have also completed the "24-hour circle" of posting messages too (when combining all of the forums I've posted on). But Jim's "24-hour" feat has been accomplished within just one forum, and in less than two months, as illustrated by the 24 posts linked below. (Yes, I had a little extra time on my hands today, so I compiled this "24-hour" list just for kicks. [Which, of course, is now a useless list, since all of DiEugenio's pre-2015 Edu. Forum posts have been deleted by EF for some silly reason; therefore, none of the links below point to the Jimmy D. posts they originally did point to]).... 12:31 AM Pacific Daylight Time 1:35 AM PDT 2:30 AM PDT 3:21 AM PDT 4:55 AM PDT 5:30 AM PDT 6:39 AM PDT 7:26 AM PDT 8:01 AM PDT 9:41 AM PDT 10:27 AM PDT 11:34 AM PDT 12:40 PM PDT 1:16 PM PDT 2:49 PM PDT 3:51 PM PDT 4:21 PM PDT 5:49 PM PDT 6:43 PM PDT 7:29 PM PDT 8:29 PM PDT 9:39 PM PDT 10:12 PM PDT 11:08 PM PDT

Speaking of Gerald Hill, here's a 7-minute NBC-Radio interview with Sergeant Hill from 11/22/63: Gerald Hill Interview (11/22/63) More police interviews: Six interviews with Jesse Curry (11/22/63 & 11/23/63) Interviews with Nick McDonald and Paul Bentley (11/23/63 & 1964)

Well, Jim DiEugenio and I have at least one thing in common -- we never seem to sleep. In my case, it's probably because "DVP" is really 13 different LNers posing as just one (as some conspiracy theorists have suggested). That way, the CIA-sponsored LN/WC/SBT/LHO disinfo can continue unabated around the clock.