Tom Hume

A friend on this forum just pointed me toward Commission Document #365 which has some information on the McCurley Brothers and there are mug shots too (well, sort of). Pages 44 through 53 are the most pertinent, but the whole thing is only 64 pages and might be worth a look. http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=10766&relPageId=44 It turns out that James McCurley was identified by police on the WDSU-TV footage of Lee Oswald’s August 16th International Trade Mart leafleting. I can’t be sure, but I suspect that Oswald’s second helper, the guy in the Bermuda shorts, is James’s brother, Richard. I’m not sure what purpose it would serve, but an unedited copy of the WDSU film might clear up this issue. This all seems way off topic - sorry.

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Ah! So it’s more complex than I assumed. It was August 9th that Oswald, while handing out his leaflets, was confronted by Bringuier and his friends - everyone got arrested for disturbing the peace. As I understand it, FBI informant Charles Hall Steele Jr. was helping Oswald out on this day. A week later, August 16, Oswald, with two hired helpers according to some sources, again passed out his leaflets. This later event happened in front of the international Trade Mart and was filmed by WDSU TV. Bill, might I be correct in assuming that we would be looking at the McCurley Brothers assisting Oswald in the WDSU Trade Mart footage?

I can’t locate it right now, but I have seen what I believe to be the complete WDSU footage of Oswald’s leafleting in New Orleans. The edited youtube version I’m linking to here, while not complete, does briefly show the two men handing out flyers with Oswald. On the far right of the screen at 1:11 we see the back of one of the helpers very briefly – he’s wearing Bermuda shorts. The other helper has much more screen time, appearing in this version from about 1:13 to 1:21. So it might be reasonable to assume for now that these two big guys are the McCurley Brothers, 25 year-old James Farlow McCurley, and 27 year-old Richard Lee McCurley. And it might also be reasonable to suspect that the two of them are still alive and might remember important and interesting things. Richard Lee McCurley’s son, Richard 'Ricky' B. McCurley, Age 33, Captain of Engine 4 in New Orleans East, died in the line if duty on December 2, 2005, while responding to an emergency call. Obituary #003225 in the link below indicates that Richard Lee McCurley was alive in 2005. http://files.usgwarchives.org/la/orleans/obits/1/m-11.txt

Fascinating; Frankie Lynn Hydell, the Black Lamp, FPCC leaflets, and the McCurley Brothers (both of these guys could still be alive). In addition to James McCurley in Baton Rouge, there also seems to be a seventy five year old Richard McCurley in New Orleans/Jefferson, LA. Since Richard Lee McCurley was born in 1936, this might be James McCurley's brother. http://radaris.com/p/Richard/Mccurley/LA/ There's apparently a town of sorts in Iberville County near Baton Rouge called Hydell.

"...and I'd like to hear more from anyone who knows anything about McCombs or the McCurley brothers." BK JFKCountercoup.blogspot.com James Farlow McCurley and his 96 year old mother Ouida McCurley, seem to be alive in Baton Rouge. http://www.usidentify.com/james-farlow-mccurley/r/ouida-mccurley http://www.usidentify.com/o-mccurley http://www.usidentify.com/douglas-b-mccurley/r/ouida-mccurley James’s sister, Douglas Ann McCurley, married a man named David I. Roberts in 1961. A church called St. Agnes Parish in Jefferson, LA, has a David I. Roberts and Deeann (Douglas Ann?) as members. There is also a Jimmy McCurley on the membership rolls of this church. http://www.stagnesjefferson.org/archives/05-22-2011.pdf Also, there is a seventy five year old Richard McCurley (Richard Lee McCurley, James’s brother, was born in 1936) in New Orleans/Jefferson, LA. http://radaris.com/p/Richard/Mccurley/LA/

Ron, Interesting questions. If you have time, it seems fairly simple to test some other events. Kennedy's visit to Chicago was to be November 2, 1963. Chicago is 41 degrees, 51 minutes North latitude, and 87 degrees, 39 minutes West longitude. In Chicago’s time zone you need to subtract six hours from GMT to come up with the local standard time. Therefore, according to Len’s LST Calculator; http://www.iiap.res.in/people/personnel/reks/software/javascript/calclst.php - the deed would have been planned for 1:12 pm Central Standard Time in order for it to have occurred at 16:00 Local Sidereal Time. The next step I suppose would be to come up with the proposed itinerary for that day and see where John Kennedy was scheduled to have been between, say, 1:00 and 2:00 pm. By the way, the LST calculator needs decimal numbers; a time of 2:30pm would be entered as 14.5, and a longitude of 122 degrees, 30 minutes would be entered as 122.5, etc. So Len, there are five possible assassination attempts, four successful, all of which fall into a one hour window of sidereal time, and you indicate that the odds against this happening by chance would be 1:331,776. If one were to insist that the five events also needed to be centered around a particular sidereal hour, 16:00, would that raise the odds to 1:7,962,624?

Thanks Len, Your program worked much better than the one I was using (probably using it incorrectly) I came up with these times using your program link. Very interesting I must say. Joseph P. Kennedy Jr., 15:34 (Len, you and I differ on this time, you say 14:15, but I might be screwing up?) John F. Kennedy (Palm Beach) 14:52 John F. Kennedy (Dallas) 16:03 Edward M. Kennedy 15:58 Robert F. Kennedy 16:13 John F. Kennedy Jr. 16:30 Does this have meaning? Yikes!

Douglas, Don, and Michael, this is so strange and interesting, I want it to be true. And maybe it is, but using this tool; http://www.csgnetwork.com/siderealjuliantimecalc.html I’ve tested five of the six events with negative results (but of course I could be doing something wrong). (1) John Kennedy in Dallas, November 22, 1963, 18:30 GMT (12:30 local), 32 degrees, 47 minutes, 0 seconds, North Latitude, and 96 degrees, 48 minutes, 0 seconds, West Longitude. This works out to 5:01 Local Sidereal Time! (2) Robert Kennedy in Los Angeles, June 5, 1968, 7:16 GMT (00:16 PDT), 34 degrees, 3 minutes, North Latitude, 118 degrees, 14 minutes, West Longitude. This works out to 8:04 Local Sidereal Time. (3) John F. Kennedy in Palm Beach, 1960 = 01:36 Local Sidereal Time. (4) Edward Kennedy = 01:44 Local Sidereal Time. (5) John F. Kennedy Jr. = 02:02 Local Sidereal Time But like I say, I could be all wet here - maybe someone who's good at this sort of thing could take a look at this. Tom

Lee, Thanks for the kind words. David, Several of us looked into this topic last year on a thread started by Lee Farley called "The Decision to Assassinate". Bernice Moore got us started with her post #79. Read through to the end and you'll at least see what we were able to dig up. On my final post on that thread, I wrote: "It has been pointed out that the Oswald package is probably one more example of the waters being intentionally muddied and this may be true. But learning more about this piece of evidence still has the potential to help answer some basic questions: Was the package and its contents designed, like other pieces of evidence, to implicate Oswald? Was Oswald aware of a trap he was falling into and created the package as protection insurance? Or is it merely a red herring? A better photograph may be in the offing and this might clarify what appear to be strange markings on the label. A hand’s-on look at the package, back and front, might tell us a lot. Some expert opinion as to the authorship of the address label is fundamental to any hypothesis. And if John Armstrong is correct, many employees at the Irving Post Office got a good look at the package - some may be still alive and even remember what information the package originally bore. In reference to a similarly puzzling topic, Bill Kelly wrote: “There may be dozens of possible scenarios, based on what we know, but it only happened one way, so instead of trying to figure out all the possibilities and picking one you like, I like adding more pieces to the puzzle until it figures itself out.” For those wanting to know more about the Oswald package, Michael Hogan, Bernice Moore, Lee Farley, Bill Kelly, Jim DiEugenio, and John Dolva contributed the following sources and links: The Lee Oswald Package (AKA; D-60, Q265 & Q266), and the possibly relevant Postage Due Notices (AKA #209) BOOKS: A1) Accessories After the Fact, by Sylvia Meagher - p. 63 and 64. She paraphrases CD 205, p. 145, and gives her analysis and speculations. A2) Harvey and Lee: How the CIA Framed Oswald, by John Armstrong – pgs. 782 to 784. A3) Conspiracy - Anthony Summers, Paragon House Edition, pgs. 71-72. A4) Murder from Within - Fred Newcomb & Perry Adams, Chapter 7: Scapegoat. (Probe, 1974) Soon to be re-released on CD LINKS TO DOCUMENTS AND TESTEMONY: B1) FBI photo of Oswald package – original source unknown at this time. http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_YwYqFBoL3ZA/S0nxNLG3A0I/AAAAAAAAAI8/Urm8NzsEjkg/s1600-h/PaperBagPackage.jpg B2) Small photo of package label from The Undeliverable Package by Gary Murr. http://jfkresearch.freehomepage.com/murr.htm B3) Commission Document 735 p.50 #288) Oswald possessions from Paine house (FBI) –“A blue composition suitcase, 28 inches by 16 inches by 8 inches.” http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=11133&relPageId=59 B4) Dallas Police Saturday inventory of Paine house (Nov. 23, 1963) (by Moore, Rose, and Stovall) “1 notice of attempt to deliver mail, card dated November 20, 1963, to Mr. Lee Oswald, 2515 West 5th, Irving, Texas – a parcel to be picked up.” http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/01/0117-001.gif B5) Dallas Police Department, Property Clerk’s Invoice or Receipt (Nov. 26, 1963) Item #209 - “Postal Form, label bearing name George A Bouhe, 4740 Homer St. Dallas, Tex., Postal Form bearing name Lee Oswald dated 11/20/63”. http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/26/2689-010.gif B6) FBI 62-109090 Warren Commission HQ File, Section 28. This is FBI inventory of Paine residence showing NO exhibit No. 209 (#209 being postage due notice found by Dallas Police) http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=62240&relPageId=90 B7) Warren Commission Hearings Volume XXIII page 420 - “On November 25, it was determined that a postage due parcel had been on hand in the Irving post office for Mrs. or Mr. Oswald earlier in the week of the assassination and was delivered about November 20 or 21.” http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh23/html/WH_Vol23_0226b.htm B8 Commission Document 735 –FBI Gemberling Report of Mar 1964 (p. 42) Item No. 209: “A U.S. Postal Form “Notice of Attempt to Deliver Mail” bearing the name LEE OSWALD and dated 11/20/63.” http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=11133&relPageId=51 B9) From: Richard Gilbride HSCA Collection, scroll down to Gus Rose Interview Transcript pgs. 23 to 25 (Conducted 4/13/78) http://www.reopenkennedycase.net/richard-gilbride-hsca-collection.html B10) Warren Commission Hearings, Volume XXV p. 578. FBI Laboratory information concerning Q265 and Q266. The package containing paper sack found at the Irving Post Office addressed to Lee Oswald, 601 West Nassaus St, Dallas Texas. http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh25/html/WC_Vol25_0304b.htm B11) FBI 62-109090 Warren Commission HQ File, Section 28. FBI Exhibit No. “D60” description: “Brown envelope and paper bag from Irving, Texas, Post Office” http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=62240&relPageId=120 B12) Memorandum dated 12/16/63, from S.F. Latona to Mr. Trotter, about Q265 and Q266 – lack of fingerprints mentioned. http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=62279&relPageId=75 B13) FBI 105-8255 Oswald HQ File, Section 156, page 55. Another FBI description of D60, AKA Q265 and Q266. http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=717097 B14) FBI 62-109090 Warren Commission HQ File, Section 28, p. 26 and 27. tp://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=75221818 B15) “Dallas Postal Inspector Roy Armstrong was interviewed by the FBI on February 24, 1964 and said that a package…” http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=752218 B16) Richard S. Stovall's letter briefly describing the Paine house search on 11/25/63 - lists personnel involved. http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh21/html/WH_Vol21_0314a.htm B17) Commission Document 205, p. 148. "On December 12, 1963, Dallas T-2 furnished information to SA Charles T. Brown reflecting a brown paper parcel had been located in the "Nixie"...18 inches in length...” http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=10672&relPageId=151 B18) From CD 735, p. 255, dated 2/25/64. With minor differences, the wording of this document was later added to a larger document, WC HQ File, Section 28, p. 26 (B15 of bibliography). http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=11133&relPageId=264 B19) This document is from CD 735, p. 254, (undated) it is similar in content to others. http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=11133&relPageId=263 B20) CD 1546, p. 102 & 103. These have to do with Ruth Paine, Marina Oswald and her children were being at the dental clinic on Nov. 20 when the postage due package might have arrived at the Paine house. http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=11941&relPageId=108 B21) CE 2060 (Vol. XXIV, p. 479. Secret Service agent Kelley speaking privately to Oswald. (scroll to CE 2060) http://mysite.verizon.net/a1eah71/NumberedExhibits.htm ARTICLES: C1) John Armstrong’s “November In Dallas 1997” presentation “Harvey & Lee” Transcribed by Jerry Robertson. Scroll down 2/3 way. Discusses postage due notice and package. http://www.acorn.net/jfkplace/03/JA/JR-JA.html C2) Article about package by George Bailey. http://oswaldsmother.blogspot.com/2010/01/mysterious-package.html C3) Article about package by Michael T. Griffith written 1996 http://karws.gso.uri.edu/jfk/the_critics/griffith/Suspicious_undelivered_package.html C4) The Undeliverable Package, by Gary Murr http://jfkresearch.freehomepage.com/murr.htm C5) Michael Hogan, Post #177 on this thread quoting John Armstrong on package. http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=16665&st=165 OTHER: D1) Lots of examples of Oswald's handwriting - CE 780 and following. http://www.history-matters.com/archive/contents/wc/contents_wh17.htm D2) Documentation - the making of the replica paper sack at the TSBD. http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/html/WH_Vol22_0028b.htm D3) CE 2064 - FBI report concerning memorandum furnished by Postal Inspector HD Holmes, Dallas. http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh24/html/WH_Vol24_0253b.htm D4) Odum/Truly interview concerning packaging materials at TSBD and constructing a replica paper bag. http://www.aarclibrary.org/publib/jfk/wc/wcvols/wh22/html/WH_Vol22_0028b.htm D5) Hoover's 3/19/64 letter to Commission- paper bags Q10, K53, and paper/tape K2 (confusion) http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?docId=1142&relPageId=138 D6) The Paper Sack, by Jerry McLeer, March 15, 2000 http://jfkresearch.freehomepage.com/papersac.htm D7) Oswald orders Ogonek Magazine and others. http://books.google.com/books?id=tfJBrSFNUNkC&pg=PA271&lpg=PA271&dq=oswald+%22the+worker%22+jfk+subscription&source=bl&ots=KO91-kcqZT&sig=qxGzPvobk58EMZuPr44_HnQFI0k&hl=en&ei=gtnNTImKDYyCsQOx16nkDg&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CB8Q6AEwAQ#v=onepage&q&f=false

Hi David, It might be a matter of opinion whether that is the postage due notice for the package in the FBI photo, the package found in the “Nixie” section of the Irving Post Office after the assassination, or whether the notice in question refers to “a newspaper or a magazine” with insufficient postage, for this is what Ruth Paine told Postal Inspector Roy Armstrong: http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/viewer/showDoc.do?mode=searchResult&absPageId=752218 Lee Farley (and others including me) find it intriguing that this postage due notice was reportedly found in Oswald’s suitcase at the Paine house, and was initially associated with, or possibly attached to, another postal form bearing the name and address of George A. Bouhe: http://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/26/2689-010.gif Tom

Jack, I went through this profound and weighty adventure a month and a half ago. Now, six weeks later, I can honestly say that I have not felt this good in years. I hope and trust my experience will be yours as well – get well soon. Tom

Bill, Associated with a Betty J. Martin and a Debbie (Debra) Martin, there is a 60-year-old married couple, Glen K. Martin and Lorita (AKA Rita) K. Martin (maiden name - Lorita K. Wing) apparently now living in Allen, Texas. They were married August 3rd, 1973 when they were both 22 years old, so it seems this Glen K. Martin would have been twelve or thirteen in 1963. http://usidentify.com/lorita-martin/allen+tx http://usidentify.com/glen-k-martin/allen+tx http://www.google.com/search?q=%22Glen+K++Martin%22+lorita&hl=en&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=ivnso&filter=0

Aug 14, 1967: “Howard Dodgen, executive secretary of the Texas Game and Fish Commission, said, "If the dredgers are given the go-ahead, the oyster industry will be destroyed for all time to come." In the summer of 1963 Texas Governor John Connally asked the legislature to combine the nine-man Texas Game and Fish Commission with the five-man Parks Commission. Sportsmen's clubs agreed, with the understanding that fishing-license fees would go to fishing facilities rather than into the parks, of which Texas has pitifully few. The legislature went along with Connally. A new Parks and Wildlife Commission was created. The three members were Will Odom of Austin, a geologist, engineer and independent oil and gas producer; James M. Dellinger of Corpus Christi, a road contractor who has used much oyster shell in construction; and A. W. Moursund, a Johnson City lawyer who serves as trustee for President Johnson's personal business affairs, has a direct telephone line to the White House and claims it is his job to keep the President's affairs secret from the President to avoid conflict of interest. Moursund's name is one of those, along with White House staffers and secret service agents, that appear on a mimeographed passenger list used on presidential helicopters.” http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1080169/2/index.htm JAMES M. DELLINGER: Also, in 1946 James M. Dellinger was Superintendent of Brown and Root, Corpus Christi. http://www1.tshaonline.org/publications/journals/shq/online/v050/n1/issue_print.htmlanniversary. WILL ODOM also sat on the Board of Directors of the multi-billion dollar Coastal Corporation along with Leon Jaworski. http://google.brand.edgar-online.com/EFX_dll/EDGARpro.dll?FetchFilingHTML1?ID=1297197&SessionID=WHiYHWQXC5UvL27 A. W. MOURSUND: http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,897372-1,00.html “It is hardly a secret that President Johnson likes Texans—and has imported a fair number of them to work in Washington. Yet the Texan that Lyndon probably likes best of them all is one he has left behind. He is A. W. (for Albert Wadel) Moursund, 45, who lives in a modest ranch house in the hills of central Texas, works out of a small brick building off Johnson City's courthouse square, has a passion for anonymity, and insists to inquiring newsmen that "I don't give interviews. I just practice law, that's about all." Moursund practices more than a little law: he is recognized as a highly respected authority on the law of real property in a state where such expertise counts heavily. He is also the principal trustee of all the Johnsons' land, cattle, municipal bonds, radio and television holdings. Elected Blanco County judge, a largely administrative post, in the mid-'50s, he quit politics after five years, but still is known as "the Judge" around Johnson City. Through Prickly Pear. Moursund is an all-round man in the best Texas tradition. He controls a local bank. He can survey land, brand cattle, ride a horse through prickly pear cactus, steer his Lincoln Continental through cedar brush in pursuit of game, drop a deer with unerring aim, then gut and skin the animal. To the Judge ranching is more of a pleasure than a source of income. Explains an associate: "He gets a real kick out of manipulating cattle from one pasture to another." He also enjoys food in quantity. When he speaks of a "couple of hamburgers" for lunch, it turns out to be thick chunks of roast round steak, rolls, iced tea, jalapenos, peas, fried potatoes, fruit cake, and cottage cheese salad. Johnson's admiration of Moursund knows no bounds. Shortly after he became President, he boasted to newsmen that Moursund, who stands 6 ft. 3 in., and weighs 230 Ibs. with no fat, could "whup Sonny Listen tonight, right now." According to Lyndon, Moursund keeps a six-shooter in the glove compartment of his Lincoln and is fast on the draw. A few months after Jack Kennedy's death, Johnson declared: "If anybody tried to do anything to me, the Judge would get him before anybody." Moursund also keeps a .30-caliber rifle with a nickel-plated barrel clipped under the front seat of his car. Explains he: "When you have to shoot a rattlesnake, pistols aren't worth a damn." The Judge is also at home on water. Once Lyndon developed a craving for a cruise up the narrow, treacherous Llano River on a winter night so pitch-dark that Moursund stepped right off the end of the pier into hip-deep water. Yet A. W. took the wheel of the cruiser, while Lyndon unconcernedly ate shrimp in the cabin below. Said Johnson: "He'll get us there. I wouldn't trust anybody else." An Extra Million. Moursund's business acumen is held in awe, particularly by those who recall such feats as his 1958 sale of 631,000 acres on three ranches owned by the West-Pyle Cattle Co. for almost $3,000,000—a cool $1,000,000 more than the owners had expected. He did it by rounding up the biggest cattle buyers in the Southwest, carefully sorting the cattle by breed, size and quality, insisting on sealed bids for each pen. “It was a land deal that brought Johnson and Moursund, who had been neighbors and friends for years, closer together. In the early '50s Johnson sought the lawyer's help in putting the LBJ Ranch together from land held by Lyndon's grandfather, Samuel Ealy Johnson. Moursund handled the legal work efficiently, also proved a sharp adviser on new grasses, breeding and pasture planning. As Lyndon rose in Washington politics, he came to rely more and more on A.W. to tend to business matters at home. oursund comes naturally by such talents. His father, A. W. Moursund Jr., had developed ranch holdings in Blanco County, founded Johnson City State Bank (it survived the Depression but closed in the late '30s), and married Mary Frances Stribling. The Striblings, largely through Mary's mother, Lurania, who had a knack for acquiring land and stocking it profitably with cattle, sheep and goats, owned some 100,000 acres near the Pedernales River. Lurania was once asked how much land she thought was "enough." "Just what's mine," she said, "and that which joins mine." The Judge worked as a boy on his grandmother's ranch, earned a law degree from the University of Texas and learned practical law from his uncle, Anton N. Moursund, who at 88 is still a respected circuit judge in San Antonio. After 42 months' duty as an Air Force staff sergeant in World War II, A. W. set up practice in Johnson City. He also gradually expanded his inherited lands into a millionaire's fortune of his own. "More Little Places." It was a land deal that brought Johnson and Moursund, who had been neighbors and friends for years, closer together. In the early '50s Johnson sought the lawyer's help in putting the LBJ Ranch together from land held by Lyndon's grandfather, Samuel Ealy Johnson. Moursund handled the legal work efficiently, also proved a sharp adviser on new grasses, breeding and pasture planning. As Lyndon rose in Washington politics, he came to rely more and more on A.W. to tend to business matters at home. Two ranches, now part of the Johnson trust, are jointly owned by Johnson and Moursund. Acquired in 1961 and 1962, they are the 2,186-acre Three Springs Ranch along the Pedernales in Blanco County and the 4,500-acre Haywood Ranch in the lake region of nearby Llano County. They consist chiefly of pastureland on which cattle, sheep and Angora goats thrive. Moursund explains his interest in such land acquisition with typical understatement. Says he: "The more little places you have, the better off you are." Nowadays, when Lyndon is at the LBJ Ranch or even taking one of his patented auto tours of his property, Moursund can reach him by radiotelephone either from the Moursund office, his car, or from the Moursund house. And when Lyndon is in Washington, all Moursund has to do is pick up a white telephone on a counter in his kitchen. A small blue White House symbol on its face indicates that it is a special, direct line to the President."

Hi Robert, Does this mean that it's now released, or am I confused? (and who's Otto Crimes?) http://cryptome.org/jya/jfk080597.txt Notice of Additional Releases After consultation with appropriate Federal agencies, the Review Board announces that the following House Select Committee on Assassination records are now being opened in full: "...180-10080-10169..." ASSASSINATION RECORDS REVIEW BOARD Formal Determinations, Releases, and Assassination Records Designation Reconsideration AGENCY: Assassination Records Review Board. ACTION: Notice. ----------------------------------------------------------------------- SUMMARY: The Assassination Records Review Board (Review Board) met in a closed meeting on July 9, 1997, and made formal determinations on the release of records under the President John F. Kennedy Assassination Records Collection Act of 1992 (JFK Act). By issuing this notice, the Review Board complies with the section of the JFK Act that requires the Review Board to publish the results of its decisions on a document-by- document basis in the Federal Register within 14 days of the date of the decision. FOR FURTHER INFORMATION CONTACT: T. Jeremy Gunn, General Counsel and Associate Director for Research and Analysis, Assassination Records Review Board, Second Floor, Washington, D.C. 20530, (202) 724-0088, fax (202) 724-0457.

Bill, I asked a question in this post and then removed it. I'm going figure out a better way to put the question and then re-post. Tom.

Hi Bill, This sounds interesting - I'll pay attention.

Yes - Mike Robinson’s story ties in so well with Ricky and Geneva White’s (son and wife of Roscoe White) story, told and seemingly debunked here by David B. Perry: http://davesjfk.com/roscoew.html I’m new here, so please excuse my conspiratorial tendency, but one could imagine Ricky and Geneva White telling factual stories to their friends and neighbors, stories that needed to be “handled”. Once the “handlers” started working with mother and son, they might have said, “You have a great story here - why, there could a major motion picture, a best seller, and oodles of money in this for the two of you. It needs a little punching up however - a little bolstering here and there.” Once the “new and improved” story gets presented, it’s so full of holes that it’s easily debunked, deemed a hoax, and quickly forgotten. Or not. But if there is any truth to be discovered in either the Mike Robinson story or the Ricky/Geneva White tale, much light could be shed on the events of that day.

On September 20, 2010, Robert Howard listed the members of the State Parks and Wildlife Commission that included its Chairman, Will Odom. This would appear to be William E. Odom who was on the “Board of Directors and member of the Executive Committee of Coastal States” (Gas Producing Company) and he is also called a “Petroleum Engineer” (not to be confused with Lt. Gen. William E. Odom). www.ci.austin.tx.us/edims/document.cfm?id=41268 “In 1963, the State Parks Board and the Game and Fish Commission were merged to form the Texas Department of Parks and Wildlife (House Bill 21, 58th Legislature, Regular Session)” and Will Odom remained a Chairman. www.lib.utexas.edu/taro/tslac/20137/tsl-20137.html In 1993, The Coastal Corporation listed Will Odom as on the Board of Directors: Name Mailing Address ---- --------------- Oscar S. Wyatt, Jr. . . . . . . . Post Office Drawer 521 Corpus Christi, Texas 78403 Harry G. Fair . . . . . . . . . . Post Office Drawer 521 Corpus Christi, Texas 78403 Norman S. Davis . . . . . . . . . 1515 National Bank of Commerce Building San Antonio, Texas 78205 H. T. Capelle . . . . . . . . . . Post Office Drawer 521 Corpus Christi, Texas 78403 Tracy N. DuBose . . . . . . . . . Lincoln Liberty Life Building Houston, Texas 77002 Roy L. Gates . . . . . . . . . . Post Office Drawer 521 Corpus Christi, Texas 78403 Leon Jaworski . . . . . . . . . . Fulbright, Crooker & Jaworski Bank of the Southwest Building Houston, Texas 77002 Will E. Odom . . . . . . . . . . Post Office Box 595 Austin, Texas 78767 Harold Vance . . . . . . . . . . 1429 Bank of the Southwest Building Houston, Texas 77002 Jack Ware . . . . . . . . . . . . Post Office Drawer 1827 Uvalde, Texas 78801 http://google.brand.edgar-online.com/EFX_dll/EDGARpro.dll?FetchFilingHTML1?ID=1297197&SessionID=WHiYHWQXC5UvL27 Will’s family and LBJ’s family seem to have been close. http://cfdrm.fr/Lettres_Papiers.htm http://www.lonestarautographs.com/CATALOG(lv)_files/Presidents%20&%20First%20Ladies.htm

My name is Tom Hume, I'm from Washington State, and I have degrees in music and social science. I was drafted in 1967 and, having quickly joined the Air Force, I spent 5 1/2 years as a C-141 Navigator. After thirty-five years as a piano technician, I'm retired now. My hobbies are writing fiction, song writing, playing jazz bass, and history. Along with others, I played Taps at my little college on November 22, 1963.