Martin Blank

um, she could have lied through her cia teeth. Your problem, Martin, is that you have no material evidence of any kind that Ruth Paine was a CIA Agent. But like I say -- haters gonna hate. Sincerely, --Paul Trejo and people break promises. i don't think cia people wear id badges. and where was nixon's quaker sense of mercy. i'm sure ruthie would have no trouble taking a lie detector test. and francis gary powers was flying a weather plane! you have no facts for anything just a rubiks cube of speculation

I'm looking forward to seeing how John gives credit to Ruth (and not Linnie Mae Randle) for suggesting Oswald apply for a job at the TSBD. Accusing Ruth Paine of placing LHO at the TSBD to be blamed for the murder of JFK has been a favorite pastime of CTers for decades. There's no way to dissuade the prejudiced, however. The facts from testimony are these: 1. LHO was out of work for the second time in 1963, and his wife was about to have another baby. 2. Marina was embarrassed to be sponging off of Ruth Paine, a new friend, when her husband should be supporting her -- or at the very worst, her husband's own family should be putting her up. 3. But Marina brought this upon herself when back in March, 1963, she began complaining to a friendly person she had only met a week ago, that she was pregnant and LHO was threatening to send her back to the USSR without him. 4. Marina might have known that this would enrage Ruth Paine, and set Ruth on a course of Quaker Charity to "save Marina Oswald" from her lazy, irresponsible husband -- and to keep Marina Oswald in the USA, where she urgently wanted to stay. 5. On 23 April 1963, Ruth went to visit Marina as scheduled, only to find LHO out of work, and planning to go to New Orleans alone -- leaving Marina only a bus ticket and a promise to write her a letter when he got a job and a place to stay. Marina was worried because a normal husband would have at least placed her at his mother's house before leaving the State, leaving her alone with a baby and $10 to her name, not speaking English. 6. So, Ruth Paine -- in Quaker Charity -- offered to keep Marina Oswald at her house for a few days until LHO got on his feet and he could call on the phone instead of writing a letter, and besides that Ruth Paine would drive Marina and June to New Orleans personally. LHO jumped at the offer. 7. Seventeen days later, LHO did call, and Marina was so excited she exclaimed to baby June, "Papa loves us!" She wasn't sure if she was being abandoned or not. Now she believed LHO again. So, Ruth Paine packed them up and drove her two kids, baby June and Marina Oswald to New Orleans. 8. Ruth and Marina continued to exchange letters during the summer. Marina said she was getting along better with LHO now. After Ruth's summer vacation back East, she drove home in late September and stopped off at New Orleans to visit Marina. SHE WAS SURPRISED TO LEARN THAT LHO WAS OUT OF WORK AGAIN. 9. Worse, this time Marina was eight months pregnant and waddling. Plus, Marina had no health insurance. She could literally drop any day. 10. So, again, because of her Quaker Charity, Ruth Paine offered to take Marina Oswald back to Dallas, to register her at Parkland Hospital, so that Marina Oswald could have her new baby in a healthy medical environment. Ruth said that after the childbirth, Marina was welcome to stay at her home through January 1964, as her mother was coming to stay with her in February 1964. Again LHO jumped at the offer. 11. LHO said he was going to Houston to look for work there. 12. LHO packed up their station wagon (without a rifle) and sent them away to Texas on 23 September 1963. 13. On October 7, 1963, LHO appeared at Ruth Paine's doorstep -- STILL WITHOUT A JOB. He was also low on cash, and had checked into a room in Dallas. Marina was EXTREMELY embarrassed. 14. Marina was frantic that LHO was still OUT OF WORK. One day, as the neighborhood mothers were having a coffee gathering, they got to talking about LHO being OUT OF WORK. They talked about how they might help. Linnie Mae Randle was there with perhaps five women. Ruth translated for Marina. One of the things that Ruth brought up was that LHO had no car -- and even if he did, he had little driving experience and no driver's license. Then Linnie Mae said that her teenage brother just got a job at TSBD, and he drives a car. She heard they were hiring. 15. MARINA'S EYES LIT UP. After the meeting, when they got home, Marina Oswald asked Ruth again and again to please call the TSBD about a job. Remember that Ruth Paine liked Marina Oswald a lot. She was good Russian conversation, kind and patient with Ruth's Russian grammar errors, was a hard worker, and called her Auntie Ruth to baby June. Ruth had lots of time for Marina Oswald. 15.1. So, because MARINA WAS INSISTENT, Ruth Paine not only called the TSBD and got Roy Truly, but she gave Roy Truly the hard sell. This was a good Marine, she said, who needed a job because his wife had one baby and the other was on the way. Roy was basically sold, but of course had to see LHO with his own eyes. 16. The next day LHO applied for the job -- he was well-groomed and very polite, very eager and looked like an honorably discharged Marine to Roy Truly. He got the job on the spot. He would report to work in the morning. 17. As we see in WC testimony, on the day that LHO was interviewing with Roy Truly, the TEC was trying to call Ruth to tell her they had a baggage handlers job at the airport. But there was nobody home. 18. The next morning LHO appeared for work at the TSBD. That day the TEC called Ruth Paine about this baggage handler's job, but Ruth didn't bother to talk with him -- she just said, "Lee already has a job, thanks," hung up, and forgot about it. OK, Sandy, those are the facts. Now, if a person is prejudiced against Ruth Paine, or wants to convict her of a CIA plot to kill JFK (like some here do) then there's no way to convince them otherwise, because the fact is that Ruth Paine was the single most active person in getting LHO that job in the TSBD. But consider this -- if Ruth Paine was totally innocent of any CIA plot to kill JFK -- all the facts that I cited above would still stand without alteration. In other words -- haters gonna hate. People who want to find some sacrificial scapegoat for their political paranoia are going to blame Ruth Paine for the fact that LHO was working at the TSBD when the Conspiracy to kill JFK came to fruition six weeks later. Ruth Paine can only repeat what she's repeated for 52 years -- IT WAS A COINCIDENCE. Ruth says that because IT'S THE TRUTH. What else could she possibly say except the Truth? Regards, --Paul Trejo um, she could have lied through her cia teeth.

Good question, Jon. I'll send Ruth Paine an email right away. I'll let you know the result on this FORUM. Regards, --Paul Trejo Jon, Ruth Paine responded to your question on Thu 25 Feb 2016 at 4:24 PM. She wrote: Hi. I took no photos of Marina in New Orleans. Paz. Ruth My question to her implied both Marina and June, and I take it that her reply also implied both Marina and June. Regards, --Paul Trejo it implied no such thing

Well, Jon, I think I presented some interesting and verifiable facts about the JFK assassination. Yet you're asking about facts WHICH HAVE NEVER BEEN VERIFIED. We even have a MOVIE of the JFK murder -- and yet we still can't answer in any VERIFIABLE way: "When was JFK first struck; From where? By what?" We have a thousand guesses. The umbrella of "Umbrella man" was a dart-thrower! Yes, even that is one of the guesses. But we have a major obstacle -- the decision by Hoover and LBJ on 11/22/1963 to insist upon a Single Lone Nut who killed JFK, and their willingness to use the entire US Government to twist all evidence -- eye-witnesses, photographs, film, ballistics, medical, X-ray, crime scene, fingerprints, palm prints -- to make an Unbelievable Case that a single madman killed JFK with the precision of a coordinated Military Ambush. Because of the twisting of Evidence -- ostensibly for National Security during the Cold War (e.g. the USSR must not be allowed to crow about our shame) -- how in the world can we VERIFY today -- a half-century later -- that which those closest to the events had failed to verify back then? Regards, --Paul Trejo fact: a thing that is indisputably the case ​so there is no such thing as an unverified fact since by definition a fact has been verified by actual real evidence and not mere speculation like your entire last two paragraphs

i think they are non-trejo-isms. a trejo-ism by definition has no facts of any kind involved. they are mere speculation with no factual support

Underhill also said "This country is too dangerous for me. I've got to get on a boat. Oswald is a patsy. They set him up. It's too much. The bastards have done something outrageous. They've killed the president! I've been listening and hearing things. I couldn't believe they'd get away with it, but they did. They've gone made! They're a bunch of drug runners and gun runners - a real violence group.I know who they are. That's the problem. They know I know. That's why I'm here.'' interestingly, several of the cia guys implicated or associated with jfk's murder were sent to vietnam, shackley and morales among them. ​also i can't believe that the kuomintang and corsican mob didn't take hefty cuts along with s. vietnamese officials

John Armstrong might have the answer

Everyone here knows all about intelligence operations, I know. So please respond, based on your training and experience as a military intelligence officer in a war zone. Since we taxpayers paid for your training please enlighten us and help us out of the darkness of ignorance and enlighten us

There is no proof he was in the employ of the CIA. Maybe he was. Maybe he wasn't. i'll bow to allen dulles on this matter Allen Dulles: This is a hard theory to disprove, you know. How do you disprove a fellow was not your agent? How do you disprove it? Hale Boggs: You could disprove it, couldn't you? Allen Dulles: No...I never knew how to disprove it.

i recommend battling wall street as well

thanks. ​more than anything else i think he was a visionary

lee was a traitor who should have been executed for treason

he was quite simply our last real president and maybe one of the few in our history

Norm – Something that is usual, typical, or standard; A standard or pattern, especially of social behaviour, that is typical or expected: "Nonetheless beating and even raping one's wife was pretty much the norm in this country into at least the 1980s. Certainly it was the norm in the early 1960s." ​Seriously? Where is the statistical proof. Facts, etc. Let me get this straight you are saying that I (given your dates) most likely have beaten my wife and raped her? I find your insinuation about men in general to be reprehensible, shameful, inexcusable and disgraceful.You tar a lot of good and innocent men (who have never raised a hand or committed another crime of violence against a woman). So put your brush away and think about it. ​Lately, it seems you are becoming trejo-lite and deal out trejo-isms with no regard for the truth. btw was it the norm in your house to beat and rape your wife? tell the truth. Yikes.

this should be priceless

another one bites the dust: from the undefeated champion of the forum in the super hevyweight class. you know hims as paul trejo: Ruth and Michael Paine knew NOTHING then, and still today know NOTHING about the plot to kill JFK -- nor anything at all about the Cover-up. Another suspicious event involving the Paines occurred on the day of the assassination. At 1:00 pm on November 22. 1963, Michael Paine placed a collect call to his wife to discuss Oswald's involvement in the assassination. While the telephone operator remained on the line, Michael Paine told his wife that he “Felt sure Lee Harvey Oswald had killed the President but was not responsible.” Rather ominously he added, “We both know who is responsible.” (FBI report of Robert C. Lish, November 26, 1963, JFK Document No. 105-82555-1437) The most extraordinary thing about this call is that it took place one hour before Oswald's arrest. For obvious reasons, the Warren Commission wanted to sweep this little problem under the rug as swiftly as possible. During Michael Paine's testimony, the ever resourceful commission attorney Wesley Liebeler changed the date of the call to the following day: LIEBELER: Did you talk to your wife on the telephone at any time during Saturday, November 23? PAINE: I was in the police station again, and I think I called her from there. LIEBELER: Did you make any remark to the effect that you knew who was responsible? PAINE: And I don't know who the assassin is or was; no. So I did not. (2H428) As researcher John Armstrong pointed out, “Liebeler had phone company records and an FBI report in hand which showed the collect call was placed on November 22 and not on November 23. By intentionally asking Michael Paine about a non-existent telephone call Liebeler was obstructing justice and colluding with a witness to falsify testimony.” all hail the new champion!!!!!!!

i think it's 99.9 % of each individual who is counted in the majority. you know like a pound of flesh from each of these people adjusted for their height and weight

oh so girls don't count. "likely?" you know this for a fact?

what does any of what he says mean?

statistics please. just because you want (need) something to be true doesn't mean that it's true. also any other refereed articles about the effect of military school on a person's later personality.

see how sneaky they are

Two questions, Jon. (1) How can you be so certain what these Army officers didn't know? (2) Were any of these Army officers also raised in Military School as children, and also West Point graduates? It makes a difference. Regards, --Paul Trejo how so? if you make the statement you have to tell us how USMA graduates are all political assassins and those junior and high schoolers are assassins, too. thanks, i know how important the facts are to you. also i didn't realize that roger staunch an NMMI and Annapolis graduate was a political assassin. i knew that chuck barrios, his of the gong show, claimed to have been a via assassin. wrote a book about it

must have had some temps or kgb working that day

I get your point, Jon, but I beg to differ. Walker didn't just get Army boot-camp training. Walker was a LIFER. Walker studied warfare as a CHILD and then he went to COLLEGE to study it further. Then, at about the age of 22, Edwin Walker entered SPECIAL FORCES. I gather that with your military background you know that that can entail. I reckon that Edwin Walker -- a true patriot until 1961 -- was one of the most dangerous men alive. By the way, if (and only if) Edwin Walker needed or wanted extra advice on assassination, IMHO he could have obtained this from David Sanchez Morales, a rogue CIA officer who IMHO had joined Guy Banister's "Kill Fidel" operation in 1963 there at 544 Camp Street in New Orleans. Joan Mellon says that SOMEBODY in the CIA around August 1963 gave Guy Banister's team Top Secret CIA information that JFK was seeking outreach to Fidel Castro. For Guy Banister -- and for Edwin Walker -- as well as for David Morales, this was TREASON and worthy of a firing squad -- not for money, but for the sake of honor and (however misguided) patriotic duty.. The JFK murder wasn't a simple Mafia hit. It was a well-orchestrated military-style ambush. CIA officer William Harvey had already made similar plans for the assassination of Fidel Castro in a motorcade. Odd how an identical plan happened to come to Dallas... Regards, --Paul Trejo yeah william harvey planned both

walker's initial field of specialty and training was artillery