Martin Blank

i'm from missouri. you'll have to show me. particularly shelley with lovelady

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=22417&hl= you're not alone kathy c

on november 7 of this year i took this matter further when i posted another picture of Lee Oswald in the Carousel sitting near William Shelley and Tan Jacket Man. That nightclub was a real crossroads for all types. Along with several other photos – one of which showed Shelley with Harvey Oswald as the latter passed out FPCC leaflets and others of Shelley (Post-assassination with some interesting people). you might want to combine these threads

http://news.yahoo.com/reinhard-gehlen-friendly-enemy-080000213.html this guy took the govt. to the cleaners

very good. as important as all this is, however, i still think it is a part of the matrix of forces and events that got jfk killed. another brick in the wall so to speak

yet despite all what's really there will never go away

so who is that sitting next to tan jacket man in the Carousel Club

dear Mr. Trejo -- please block me. please do not use my name in any post; i don't want anyone thinking i know you or that we would ever have a conversation. thank you

they look older than beckham, particularly the guy on the right

tan jacket man's hair cut was called a new yorker. flat top combined with long sides. when did we get into the fashion business?

well i'm here so you must be talking to me, too; it would be rude to ignore someone who started the thread and speak only to those who cannot speak for him. very poor manner. besides you unblocked me so you must be interested in reading my posts. as far as carrying on any sort of discourse with you i would prefer not to. so i am asking you to please block me again.

Mr. Trejo Please put me back on block. thanks. i do not wish to engage with you on any subject, any place, any time

i second that.

Thanks for the support, Paul B. ! Bear in mind that we're talking about two different Oswald leafletting incidents which happened one week apart in New Orleans in August, 1963. My "David Morales" was caught on film at the first one (August 9; the one at which Oswald and Bringuier were arrested at), and Martin Blank's "Bill Shelley" (or perhaps Gordon Novell??) was caught on film at the second one (August 16; in front of the Trade Mart). Interesting stuff indeed... --Tommy I am speaking of the August 16, 1963, incident. The fact that there is another incident is helpful but immaterial. All that matters is that Harvey was not hired to work at the TSBD until October 15, 1963, with his first official day of work on October 16, 1963. My question then is what was Harvey doing with William Shelley, six months or so before he would presumably have met him. Shelley worked in a supervisory role at the TSBD and had done so for almost 20 years. At the time of the assassination, he was supervising an outside work crew that was installing new flooring on the building's sixth floor. It might be useful to follow the threads that Shelley's presence weaves throughout events connected to JFK's assassination. He claimed to have left the TSBD and walked a short way and back with Billy Lovely (whom I am starting to think is some kind of code word and maybe not a real person or maybe one or more persons or maybe a communications channel). Anyway, this is him and Lovelady walking together. down the Elm Street Extension, I would guess. Here he is being taken in by the DPD following the shooting That's Danny Arce to his right in the first picture. All you need to know about Arce is to be found in this collage. remember as well that Fritz's notes of his interrogation of Harvey: Claims 2nd floor coke when Off came in To 1st floor had lunch Out with Bill Shelley in front Police evidence proves that both Lee Harvey Oswald and Bill Lovelady were at the doorway at the same time when Kennedy was shot, because they both identified Bill Shelley, who was standing in the doorway with them. Mr. BALL - Who was with you? Mr. LOVELADY - Bill Shelley and Sarah Stanton, and right behind me... Mr. BALL - What was that last name? Mr. LOVELADY - Stanton. Mr. BALL - What is the first name? Mr. LOVELADY - Bill Shelley. Mr. BALL - And Stanton's first name? Mr. LOVELADY - Miss Sarah Stanton. Mr. BALL - Did you stay on the steps Mr. LOVELADY - Yes. Mr. BALL - Were you there when the President's motorcade went by Mr. LOVELADY – Right. Say what. Did Lovelady almost say something no one wanted to hear? That leaves us at the beginning of the crime and here in Jack Ruby's Carousel Club are Lee Oswald, William Shelley and the tan jacket man. (My apologies but it's hard to find these pictures without circles and such on them.) that's all i know

Bill Shelley of the TSBD staff is circled in red In these photos of Harvey passing out FPCC leaflets in New Orleans. So what gives? Shelley also appears in several other photos of the leafletting. It was an a-ha moment for me this is all headed somewhere and I promise it will end with a bang and not a whimper. so bear with me. thanks

i read somewhere and for the life of me can't remember where (though i'll keep looking) that the cia always builds operations on or under other operations. will keep trying

ask eugene hassenfus about that

to me a pivotal player is something much different than a mastermind. the difference being that the latter would involve (all) planning, etc., more of an overall command position. a pivotal player may be needed in a certain major role in order to make the plan/plot of the mastermind to work. here lbj would be needed to run the cover up. you don't think these cockroaches didn't want someplace dark to scurry back under?

we have ways of making you "willing"!

i'll see talbot's dulleses and raise him a hoover building, which ought to be renamed the Robert Kennedy Justice Center

me too

no.

i used the word "incredible" for several reasons with the first being that the situation fits the definition of the word which is "impossible to believe." ​and it does strain my faculties to watch one individual try to dominate the forum and to see that people are trying to reason with him or prove him wrong. i find that incredible. it can't be done; the man is a broken record who reminds me of many fundamentalist christians who just hurl out bible verse after bible verse without understanding what they mean or their applicability to the situation at hand. it's all knee jerk. ​but the solution to the problem lies with us and not with him. all you have to do is stop listening and responding to him and he ceases to exist. simple as that. don't engage with him. it's what he wants because he craves the attention and the fact that he can get people angry and frustrated. in fact i think he wants these things more than he wants a solution to jfk's murder. you can almost see him preening as he shows everyone just how stupid they are and how great he is. ​you are not going to convince him of anything because he is smarter than everyone else. so why bother trying. it's just a waste of time and energy. ​that's my two cents. now i'm going to leave this cloud cuckoo land where the cuckoo is seemingly in charge and go back to ignore land where i can control who exists. incredible.

incredible