Martin Blank

ok. fair enough. he mentioned tan jacket man in his site's discussion of prayer person. hope my sin is just a venial one there is nothing to discuss about lee odom and tan jacket man

Etc., etc... have you never seen the photo of tan jacket man with bill shelley and lee oswald at the carousel club? Tan Jacket Man with a comb over covering the car park filmed hair highlight or bald head patch section? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RkJkpQ9rkuA i said carousel club

citation |sīˈtāSHən| (abbr.: cit.) noun1 a quotation from or reference to a book, paper, or author, especially in a scholarly work: there were dozens of citations from the works of Byron | recognition through citation is one of the principal rewards in science.• a mention of a praiseworthy act or achievement in an official report, especially that of a member of the armed forces in wartime.• a note accompanying an award, describing the reasons for it: the Nobel citation noted that his discovery would be useful for energy conversion technology.• Law a reference to a former tried case, used as guidance in the trying of comparable cases or in support of an argument. 2 N. Amer. a summons: a traffic citation. i know what it is; some here don't. i was being facetious and basically saying don't hold your breath

Then Jeanne DM came in. Jeanne DM spoke fluent Russian, so Jeanne and Marina talked and talked, talking rings around Ruth Paine. Ruth married and settled in Irving, Texas. Her husband, Michael Paine, found employment as a research engineer with the Bell Helicopter Company, whereas Ruth was employed as a part-time teacher of the Russian language at St. Marks School in Dallas. source spartacus educational

citation?

so i guess you've never seen it. signed archy

e.e. cummings buffalo bill's defunct you really don't want to star a grammar war so i guess you've never seen it.

DAVID VON PEIN SAID: Gee, that sure sounds familiar. Where have I heard stuff like that before? The pot/kettle irony that emanates from CTers nearly every day is unparalleled. Badge Man. Prayer Man. Black Dog Man. Tan Jacket Man. Etc., etc... have you never seen the photo of tan jacket man with bill shelley and lee oswald at the carousel club?

Answering your questions in order. 1./The neckline, and sleeves for that matter,are obviously made of a movable and flexible material, that's a no brainer. obviously? how so? she sure got those sleeves which seem rather high down in a hurry especially with all she was supposedly carrying. spectral schmectral, i know skin when i see it. those sleeves are fairly tight despite whatever material they were obviously made from. remember this was 1963 and stuff was cotton (in the south) and wool up north) we didn't have modern flexible fabrics yet. 2./ If you look at the Darnell film, and many other Nov 22nd Dealey Plaza films and photographs, you will see lots of ladies with their arms exposed below the elbows, that's also a no brainer. proves nothing about the person in question. 3./I didn't say that the other woman was "Prayer Man". A./ because Prayer Person is a woman, and B./ because I only made a comparison between the buttons on both individuals and not a match specific identification linking both individuals. 4./ The clue to that is in the second line of my opening post.

ain't buying it. more like a "miss"-deal than a winning hand. the sleeves

which oswald and which mother

we thought we won, though. we killed way more of them and by our rules were victorious

Well, Cliff, I find your argument interesting -- and I'd like to see how it might apply to the unfounded but harsh attacks upon Ruth Paine over the years. Let's take this question as presented by A.J. Weberman about Gerry Patrick Hemming again, please. According to Weberman, Hemming confessed to him that he offered LHO twice the price of his rifle if LHO would bring it to the TSBD building on 11/22/1963. Now -- in my reading, this is a conspiracy to make LHO a Patsy in the JFK killing. (And thus, makes Hemming's contacts, like General Walker and Interpen, into the Ground Crew of the JFK killing, instead of the CIA, and so removes the motive for the nonsense that Ruth Paine was in the CIA.) Again -- Weberman's claim about Hemming's offer of twice the price of his rifle to bring it to the TSBD on 11/22/1963 is, IMHO, part of an obvious conspiracy to make LHO a Patsy in the JFK killing. What does it mean to you? Regards, --Paul Trejo what's more important was what weberman found in bob dylan's garbage

documented hearsay? that doesn't substantiate anything next we'll have the variable constant.

Well, Cliff, I wonder if we are really very far apart at all. Consider my theory, please, and then tell me if you think I'm conflating the JFK murder with the LHO murder. (1) General Walker (in conjunction with Guy Banister, Joseph Milteer and the Radical Right in the South) plotted to kill JFK in Dallas along with his followers in Dallas, who included Radical Right wing Dallas Police officers. source? (2) As substance for this, I offer "Power on the Right" by Wm. Turner, 1971. need specific citations (3) Turner affirms that all DPD officers in the early 1960's had at least one membership in a Radical Right wing organization. again, need specific citation (4) Various DPD members signed on to Walker's plot (just as they had signed on to Walker's plot to humiliate Adlai Stevenson in Dallas one month before, holding Walker blameless). source? (5) Two of these members were Roscoe White and J.D. Tippit. (6) The DPD had full control of Dealey Plaza on 11/22/1963 source? (7) The space behind the picket fence was a parking lot for Dallas Sheriff and other City officials, including Dallas police. There was only one locked entrance and exit by car -- it was SECURE. source? (8) After the DPD and their confederates killed JFK, they turned to General Walker for the next step -- to capture the Patsy -- who had been set-up FOR MONTHS. source? (9) The DPD also prevailed upon Jack Ruby -- a good friend of JD Tippit -- to murder the PATSY, who had also been framed as Tippit's killer. (At least two witnesses say Roscoe White was Tippit's killer). source? (10) Jack Ruby, who would do almost anything for the DPD, accepted that task on the assurance that he would really be a HERO -- at least to THEM -- and perhaps to the USA. So, Ruby did it. source? (11) This is why Jack Ruby suggested to Earl Warren that he could only talk openly when OUTSIDE of the clutches of the DPD. source? There, in a nutshell, Cliff, is my theory. Notice that I've linked the JFK murder and the LHO murder into the same plot, manned by the same people. all without substantiation Notice, too, that Ruth Paine had absolutely nothing to do with it. May I please have your opinion about my theory? unsubstantiated speculation is my opinion. Regards, --Paul Trejo pure fiction. not properly sourced. no factual basis. i would have to give it an F if i had to grade it. where's the beef unsubstantiated speculation is my opinion.

Well, Cliff, I wonder if we are really very far apart at all. Consider my theory, please, and then tell me if you think I'm conflating the JFK murder with the LHO murder. (1) General Walker (in conjunction with Guy Banister, Joseph Milteer and the Radical Right in the South) plotted to kill JFK in Dallas along with his followers in Dallas, who included Radical Right wing Dallas Police officers. (2) As substance for this, I offer "Power on the Right" by Wm. Turner, 1971. (3) Turner affirms that all DPD officers in the early 1960's had at least one membership in a Radical Right wing organization. (4) Various DPD members signed on to Walker's plot (just as they had signed on to Walker's plot to humiliate Adlai Stevenson in Dallas one month before, holding Walker blameless). (5) Two of these members were Roscoe White and J.D. Tippit. (6) The DPD had full control of Dealey Plaza on 11/22/1963 (7) The space behind the picket fence was a parking lot for Dallas Sheriff and other City officials, including Dallas police. There was only one locked entrance and exit by car -- it was SECURE. (8) After the DPD and their confederates killed JFK, they turned to General Walker for the next step -- to capture the Patsy -- who had been set-up FOR MONTHS. (9) The DPD also prevailed upon Jack Ruby -- a good friend of JD Tippit -- to murder the PATSY, who had also been framed as Tippit's killer. (At least two witnesses say Roscoe White was Tippit's killer). (10) Jack Ruby, who would do almost anything for the DPD, accepted that task on the assurance that he would really be a HERO -- at least to THEM -- and perhaps to the USA. So, Ruby did it. (11) This is why Jack Ruby suggested to Earl Warren that he could only talk openly when OUTSIDE of the clutches of the DPD. There, in a nutshell, Cliff, is my theory. Notice that I've linked the JFK murder and the LHO murder into the same plot, manned by the same people. Notice, too, that Ruth Paine had absolutely nothing to do with it. May I please have your opinion about my theory? Regards, --Paul Trejo pure fiction. not properly sourced. no factual basis. i would have to give it an F if i had to grade it. where's the beef

sometimes the information they want show someone like oswald would be handled. who knows what his mission in russia really was? maybe john paisley knows but he ain't taking. some people here have the idea that if someone doesn't look and act like james bond they can't be an agent. but as jefferson airplane sang: look further on past the surface

good luck. he doesn't understand what a fact or evidence is. verbal diarrhea

It's worth a discussion. IMHO, Lee Harvey Oswald did get into a Green Rambler at the TSBD immediately after the JFK murder -- but also IMHO Lee Harvey Oswald lied to Roger Craig when he told her that the car belonged to Ruth Paine. If somebody has better evidence one way or the other, I want to hear it. i see no evidence here under the legal definition: In law, various things presented in court for the purpose of proving or disproving a question under inquiry. Includes testimony, documents, photographs, maps and video tapes. Trial evidence consists of: 1. The sworn testimony of witnesses, on both direct and cross-examination, regardless of who called the witness; 2. The exhibits which have been received into evidence; and Any facts to which all the lawyers have agreed or stipulated. Arguments and statements by lawyers are not evidence. The lawyers are not witnesses. What they say in their opening statements, closing arguments, and at other times is intended to help you interpret the evidence, but it is not evidence; Questions and objections by lawyers are not evidence. Attorneys have a duty to their clients to object when they believe a question is improper under the rules of evidence; Testimony that has been excluded or stricken, or that the jurors have been instructed to disregard, is not evidence and must not be considered.

As for what I consider to be fact -- I regard sworn testimony that has not been contradicted to be FACT. That is also a universally accepted legal definition. I also regard material facts to be facts. legal definition of fact: A thing done; an action performed or an Incident transpiring; an event or circumstance; an actual occurrence. In the earlier days of the law “fact” was used almost exclusively in the sense of “action”or “deed;” but, although this usage survives, in some such phrases as “accessary before the fact,” it lias now acquired the broader meaning given above.A fact is either a state of things, that is, an existence, or a motion, that is, an event.1 Benth. Jud. Ev. 48.In the law of evidence. A circumstance, event or occurrence as it actually takes or took place; a physical object or appearance, as it actually exists or existed. An actual and absolute reality, as distinguished from mere supposition or opinion; a truth, as distinguished from fiction or error. Burrill, Circ. Ev. 218.”Fact” is very frequently used in opposition or contrast to “law.” Thus, questions offact are for the jury ; questions of law for the court. So an attorney at laic is an officer of the courts of justice; an attorney in fact is appointed by the written authorization of a principal to manage business affairs usually not professional. Fraud in fact consists in an actual intention to defraud, carried into effect; while fraud imputed by law arises from the man’s conduct in its necessary relations and consequences.The word is much used in phrases which contrast it with law. Law is a principle; factis an event Law is conceived; fact is actual. Law is a rule of duty; fact is that which has been according to or in contravention of the rule. The distinction is well illustrated in the rule that the existence of foreign laws is matter of fact. Within the territory of its jurisdiction, law operates as an obligatory rule which judges must recognize and enforce; but, in a tribunal outside that jurisdiction, it loses its obligatory force and its claim to judicial notice. The fact that it exists, if important to the rights of parties, must be alleged and proved the same as the actual existence of any other institution. Abbott. The terms “fact” and “truth” are often used in common parlance as synonymous,but as employed in reference to pleading, they are widely different. A fact in pleading is a circumstance, act, event, or incident; a truth Is the legal principle which declares or governs the facts and their operative effect. Admitting the facts stated in a complaint the truth may be that the plaintiff is not entitled, upon the face of his complaint to what the claims. The mode in which a defendant sets up that truth for his protection is a demurrer. Drake v. Cockroft, 4 E. D. Smith (N. Y.) 37. fact: noun 1. something that actually exists; reality; truth:Your fears have no basis in fact. 2. something known to exist or to have happened:Space travel is now a fact. 3. a truth known by actual experience or observation; something knownto be true:Scientists gather facts about plant growth. 4. something said to be true or supposed to have happened:The facts given by the witness are highly questionable. 5. Law.. Often, facts. an actual or alleged event or circumstance, asdistinguished from its legal effect or consequence. Compare question of fact, question of law. sso a fact doesn't necessarily have to be true, i take from this: something said to be true or supposed to have happened: The facts given by the witness are highly questionable. universally accepted? do we know if all legal systems accept this? at the present time we don't just subjecting your facts to close scrutiny. i made no ad hominem attacks.

thank you

it's from a song by burl ives (and good philosophy too) [Chorus] When you walk the streets you'll have no cares, If you walk the lines and not the squares, As you go through life make this your goal Watch the donut, not the hole It's written on the rainbow In letters made of gold Written on the rainbow There's wisdom to behold My friends the little sparrow Flew close enough to see Written on the rainbow Is this philosophy [Chorus] It's written on the rainbow In letters made of gold Written on the rainbow There's wisdom to behold My friend the little sparrow Agrees it must be so Little angels wrote it So folks on earth would know [Chorus] Watch the donut, not the hole I'm off to jolly England Where bulldogs all wear pants Off to Pango Pango Where alligators dance My friend the little sparrow Will take me when he flies Even to the rainbow To read with my own eyes [Chorus] It's written on the rainbow In letters made of gold Written on the rainbow There's wisdom to behold My friend the little sparrow Flew close enough to see Written on the rainbow Is this philosophy [Chorus] Watch the donut, not the hole! Fantastic! now i know TWO Burl Ives songs (the other was about that reindeer). Wait - are you saying Burl Ives was in on the conspiracy to kill the President? Which President? Does Paul Trejo know about this??? oh yes he was. you do know that the reindeer you speak of was a red. enough said

it's from a song by burl ives (and good philosophy too) [Chorus] When you walk the streets you'll have no cares, If you walk the lines and not the squares, As you go through life make this your goal Watch the donut, not the hole It's written on the rainbow In letters made of gold Written on the rainbow There's wisdom to behold My friends the little sparrow Flew close enough to see Written on the rainbow Is this philosophy [Chorus] It's written on the rainbow In letters made of gold Written on the rainbow There's wisdom to behold My friend the little sparrow Agrees it must be so Little angels wrote it So folks on earth would know [Chorus] Watch the donut, not the hole I'm off to jolly England Where bulldogs all wear pants Off to Pango Pango Where alligators dance My friend the little sparrow Will take me when he flies Even to the rainbow To read with my own eyes [Chorus] It's written on the rainbow In letters made of gold Written on the rainbow There's wisdom to behold My friend the little sparrow Flew close enough to see Written on the rainbow Is this philosophy [Chorus] Watch the donut, not the hole!

Yes, Martin, but Osborne/Bowen was a crackpot racist NUT. In no way was he a CIA officer, nor did he claim to be. HOWEVER -- there two others I can name who were close to the JFK murder and who used Religion as a cover, and also brazenly lied about being officers of the CIA, namely: (1) David Ferrie (2) Jack S. Martin Both of these street-level mercenaries who were "outed" by Jim Garrison, were both Fake Ministers of some Fake Church, and they also claimed (to young boys like Tommy Beckham) to be with the CIA. But NEITHER was an officer of the CIA -- they were both street-trash mercenaries, bent on Military Overthrow in Cuba for money. To blame the CIA for their twisted behavior is REACHING. Regards, --Paul Trejo Paul, You are missing the donut because you are concentrating your focus on the hole. How do you know he was a crackpot racist NUT and not some intelligence agent who is using that identity as a cover? you don't and probably can't. As it is right now your understanding of the world of intelligence is non-existent now as for english professors and the catholic church, i am waiting and am prepared to wait until hell freezes over. until such time i am holding you in contempt of the truth