Martin Blank

Dulles and Angleton were trained by the Brits in... black magic? Please stop with this horse _ _ _ _. It doesn't help "the cause" which should be a rational examination of the evidence. go back and read it again; he never said dulles & angleton were trained by the brits in black magic. what he said was they were trained by british intelligence who were "masters of the arts of assassination and black magic." those are two very different statements. one might be tempted to suppose that because they were masters of black magic they would have trained the pair in them but there is no support in the statement for that. i need more to make the jump than i have been offered The way I see it, why insinuate. If you knew it for a fact, then you would report it as such. Insinuating things is only a convenient way of attacking without justification and putting forward a hypothetical as truth without any substantiation. If you told me “Dulles and Angleton were trained by Julia Child, a master of french cooking?” I wouldn’t insinuate anything. I would investigate further. Without knowing it, you have picked the perfect person for me to make my point, and I thank you for that. I would certainly ask the question: What did Julia Child teach them? (Did she teach them the art of French cooking?) I wouldn’t jump to conclusions. But knowing that Dulles and Angleton were CIA and that Julia Child had been OSS (top secret researcher for Wild Bill himself), I would certainly not jump to the conclusion that she was teaching them French cooking (although she may have done so but as I pointed out that would need to be verified). She could have been teaching them how to conceal microfilm in turkey stuffing, how to put coded messages in macramé, or who her network of agents in France consisted of. We don’t know until we ask and do more digging. My 35 years as an editor, writer and writing teacher have taught me that if the meaning isn’t there in the language, i.e., the words, then it isn’t there despite what we may or may not want something to mean. To assume or insinuate on this basis is dishonest. Build a foundation of facts. My education as a journalist has taught me to question everything and assume nothing. So I would ask questions until I was satisfied that I had learned everything I could. I’m not asking you to make a leap but to build a bridge of facts and then walk over to the other side. It’s easier, safer and more durable and convincing. If you would rather not, that’s fine but don’t ask me to believe you about anything.

Dulles and Angleton were trained by the Brits in... black magic? Please stop with this horse _ _ _ _. It doesn't help "the cause" which should be a rational examination of the evidence. go back and read it again; he never said dulles & angleton were trained by the brits in black magic. what he said was they were trained by british intelligence who were "masters of the arts of assassination and black magic." those are two very different statements. one might be tempted to suppose that because they were masters of black magic they would have trained the pair in them but there is no support in the statement for that. i need more to make the jump than i have been offered

i like john armstrong's account of the interrogation sessions; i think his work in general is beyond groundbreaking

i found interesting the possibility that when oswald may not have been at the zoo all those days he was perhaps at a nearby mk-ulltra affiliated facilty. any idea of what they may have been interested in doing to or with the young man, just in general struck by the pervasivenss of mk-ultra in all of this.

i've got a set of those; they're actually quite good. as for oglesby, he is one of those people who should ultimately have occupied a leadership position in this country but took too hard a swat from the powers that be in the 1960s. i especially liked his essay that linked the assassination to the closing of the frontier. Rest in Peace

"I started with the aim of focusing on McNamara and Bundy and why they recommended escalation to LBJ after McNamara worked on the withdrawal plan, but am now also focusing on the JCS and am shocked by it." the answer is easy: mcnamara was now serving a new leader and as a bureaucrat only the master's wishes mattered, his own were of no consequence in carrying out policy or orders

classic chicken or the egg conundrum; what came first the evidence or the flaws?

chicken or the egg quandary; what came first the flaws or the evidence?

The two biggest lessons that JFK conspiracy theorists need to learn are these: 1.) "Flaws in the evidence" do not automatically equal "All The Evidence Is Fake". and 2.) "Flaws in the evidence" do not automatically equal "Oswald Was An Innocent Patsy". A lot of Internet conspiracy theorists do not seem to agree with either one of the above two statements. But each of those statements is 100% true nonetheless. define flaws

he was ordered to become a part of the conspiracy to inform/report on it (or so he thought)

i personally believe he was infiltrating a group and happened on to a/the plot and was told to stay in place and participate and report. this of course pushed him in deeper and stuck him on the tarbaby of looking like he was involved. his contacts either were unsecure or running him in this direction once he had taken the bait

here's my take: Who killed JFK? That question is the Gordian Knot of modern America. Undo it and we shall have the answer to the question that still haunts us almost 50 years later. Sadly, we have been unable to unravel it ourselves and have not yet found an Alexander the Great to complete the task for us. As we have sought to untie this knot and recover what its fashioning has robbed us of as a society and a country, we have pulled many threads that proved to be false and misleading and meant to deter us from our course. Through the years, we have been thwarted by planted, faked, altered and disappearing evidence; misinformation; media manipulation; intelligence agency shenanigans; shoddy investigations; mountains of shredded and withheld paper; preconceived notions and presumptions of guilt; coerced statements; falsified statements; witness tampering; official blindness; murder; and more. From this mix we have been left with the failed concoctions of the Warren Report and the HSCA report. And yet amidst all of the chaos and confusion that has been sown, we have found hope. Several of the threads we have pulled have been connected to the truth. We have been able to follow some to their ends, a process which has yielded a complete piece of the puzzle. I believe we now have enough pieces of the puzzle to give us an honest and accurate – though incomplete – picture of what happened on November 22. That picture though is still unfinished in many respects. There’s a fuzziness to it that can only be sharpened through the discovery of additional threads that lead to the truth. It will take more painstaking work to discover their secrets. I believe that when enough additional pieces are found and added to the puzzle we will clearly see the word “Conspiracy” along with the faces of men such as Allen Dulles, James Jesus Angleton, Carlos Marcello, Curtis LeMay, E. Howard Hunt, David Phillips, Santo Trafficante, Guy Bannister, David Ferrie, Lyndon Johnson, David Morales and more. Patience, while often lauded as a virtue, may be our enemy in this endeavor. Mortality is daily thinning the ranks of witnesses, suspects and others with information to share. Agencies remain recalcitrant in releasing files they have been ordered to hand over. Something must be done and done soon if we are to mount a legitimate investigation of the crime even at this late date. If the country is to be saved by the light of truth, true patriots must be preared to soldier on even while awaiting the appearance of Alexander and his purposeful sword.

no reports of gunpowder smell on 6th floor of tsbd that i am aware of

what if it was the other oswald's phone

now put off until march 2013. what gives? i'm going to be dead by the time i get to read this!

now moved back to sept from june? i think i originally ordered it last fall. would love to hear him; would also love to read him. thought his frank olson book was excellent

Around 1962, Hunter was an early volunteer test subject (along with Ken Kesey) for psychedelic chemicals at Stanford University's research covertly sponsored by the CIA in their MKULTRA program.

if i remember correctly life magazine backed at least one of wasson's overseas mushroom hunting expeditions and, i believe, printed a story.

Anyone know why this keeps getting pushed back? it's the third time it's been delayed i believe.

I've had this thought in the back of my mind for awhile; i even think a case might be made for the U-2 affair being a joint operation. although i can't remember who said it, i can remember someone saying at some level the same people were working for both sides or both sides were using the same people.

thank you but i'm not sure thats it. it was two figures standing together and i remember trees. don't think it was a frame rather a photo

I came across a b&w photo the other day that showed a view of the railroad yard behind the grassy knoll. there appear to be two figures (one a hatles policeman) at the rear of the yards. i forgot to bookmark it. anyone seen this and able to help? thanks in advance

god only knows what happened to the other mrs. oswald (not marina). the whole thing is weird. it's like the oswalds are the modern spy age family (apologies to the flintstones)

he distinctly said harvey lee oswald. i'm going to watch the whole thing this weekend. so i don't know if he attributes the info in any way

I was flipping back and forth between a basketball game and the documentary “JFK: Beyond Conspiracy” last night (Nov. 22) when I heard something startling. Robert Oswald was being interviewed and was talking about finding out that his “brother” had been arrested for Kennedy’s murder. He said something along the lines of “Lee Harvey Oswald or Harvey Lee Oswald” had been arrested, I was recording the show so I wasn’t paying that much attention figuring I’d watch it later, which I haven’t had time to do. But I did hear him clearly say both names. It left me wondering whether it was a slip or deliberate. I have long had the suspicion that Robert knows the difference between Lee Harvey Oswald and Harvey Lee Oswald. He knows as well that it was his brother Lee who was involved in the assassination and is telling the truth when he says things such as “Lee shot President Kennedy” and knows he’s telling the truth. He knows as well that Harvey was innocent. But without the Rosetta Stone that John Armstrong’s work provides, people just shake their heads and say, “See!” It’s as if Robert feels comfortable or protected just leading people to the bridge but not taking them across. DNA testing of him and Oswald’s daughters might just clear the matter up. Will that happen? I don’t believe so.