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John Singlaub and the Chinese Connection
Larry Hancock replied to John Simkin's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
James, at this point the documents tell us that Quintero was involved in the French trips and that Jenkins was doing some support for them although there is no mention he himself went. And of course Wheaton does specifically say that Jenkins introduced him to Nestor Sanchez among others (suggesting JM/WAVE involvement for Sanchez as Jim mentioned). One of the problems is that most of the documents from that period use crypts extensively so without knowing what Sanchez crypt may have been its going to be hard to locate him. Now if somebody tells me he was called Segundo we might have something going. -- Larry Well OK, so I should look first next time...anyway, I think the following would give James a yes to his question and likely confirm Jim's comment as well: AGENCY INFORMATION AGENCY : CIA RECORD NUMBER : 104-10102-10026 RECORDS SERIES : JFK AGENCY FILE NUMBER : 80T01357A DOCUMENT INFORMATION ORIGINATOR : CIA FROM : SANCHEZ, NESTOR D., SAS/EOB TO : THE RECORD TITLE : AMLASH/1/DAINOLD DATE : 11/13/1963 PAGES : 2 DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER - TEXTUAL DOCUMENT SUBJECTS : JAMES CLARK CLASSIFICATION : SECRET RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL CURRENT STATUS : OPEN DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 07/19/1993 COMMENTS : JFK34 : F7 : 1993.07.19.16:39:58:280270 The following pretty well firms up the answer...yes Sanchez was part of AM/WIRLD, yes he was working with Atime, Quintero and Jenkins circa 1963 and certainly out of the JM/WAVE complex. AGENCY : CIA RECORD NUMBER : 104-10215-10169 RECORDS SERIES : JFK AGENCY FILE NUMBER : 80T01357A DOCUMENT INFORMATION ORIGINATOR : CIA FROM : DIRECTOR TO : PARIS, LONDON, HAMBURG, FRANKFURT. TITLE : CABLE:MR NESTOR SANCHEZ ETA PARIS 3 OCT CONTINUE MEETS AMLALSH/1. DATE : 09/30/1963 PAGES : 1 DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER - TEXTUAL DOCUMENT SUBJECTS : JFK ASSASSINATION; MHAPRON PROGRAM; SANCHEZ NESTOR CLASSIFICATION : RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL CURRENT STATUS : OPEN DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 06/17/2004 COMMENTS : JFK64-50 : F24 : 20040311-1057057 : -
Ultimate Sacrifice on Discovery Channel
Larry Hancock replied to Larry Hancock's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
Herb, Lamar's research is meticulous and you will see that in his documents, references and index. I can vouch for that as Lamar and I've been in communication on this sort of material for some time now. And there is no particular reason that Harry Williams would be making up a story on a very private, potential coup agreement with a high Cuban revolutionary official. All the documents show that Williams was where he described to Lamar, doing what he described. And the fact that Robert Kennedy made one of his very first post assassination calls to Williams is pretty significant in my book. Given that, the book is a significant work of cold war history irrespective of anything else. Where matters get more complex is tieing all that to a plan originated and driven by the three mob bosses Lamar identifies. I'll have to leave it to Lamar and the book to support those connections. I think its possible to make a very good case they were aware of a plot, encouraged it and supported it. But whether the were the originators and "operators" of it remains an open question for me... I tend to take a bit of a different slant on it. Hopefully this year in Dallas, Lamar and I will both get behind a table and let folks toss questions at us for a lively discussion. Larry, What's your take on the book and theory? Thanks, Herb -
Antti, I think you're confused on this info. The name "Saul" was given to the mystery man by Hugh McDonald in his book "Appointment in Dallas." McDonald was a former Los Angeles County Chief of Detectives and claimed a relationship with military intelligence and the CIA. Hemming's calling this man "Saul" is just him being cute. "Saul" was not his real name. McDonald did indeed claim to have tracked down the man and to have spoken with him. The story recounted by Saul is not all that believable, however. There is reference to McDonald in the HSCA's report on De Mohrenschildt, indicating that McDonald did indeed conduct his own investigation and that his story is not all b.s. McDonald eventually came to theorize that LBJ cut a deal with Russian hard-liners, and that the Russians, with Oswald's Mexico City travel companion Albert Osborne as operative, set up the assassination. I think McDonald was well-intentioned but was misled by "Saul" and some of his CIA contacts. I was just browsing this thread again when I came upon Pats post here. I just want to say that I have just finished reading this book and nowhere in it did I read a part saying that LBJ cut a deal with the Russians. McDonald does not in fact speculate as to wh ordered the assassination. I think Pat may have been mistaken or thought of a different book. I posted this just in case someone stumbled upon this thread in the future. John
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Bernard Barker on the grassy knoll?
Larry Hancock replied to Francesca Akhtar's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
Hi James, actually I have.... I have a June 21, 1972 memo of a conversation of Morales in which he relates that Barker was recruited as a support agent in Havana in 1959. Barker was used to provide information on police and political matters and also to transport agents to various harbors for exfiltration. Barker himself was exfiltrated to Tampa in 1959. Morales expressed the opinion that Barker was such a loudmouth and talked to so many people that he considered him a security risk and had recommended that he be terminated in 1962. In addition a CIA Biography on Barker, prepared in 1973 mentions that Barker recruited agents for the CIA while in Cuba in 1959. Barker was recruited because his police position had detailed him to be liason with a number of US agencies in Havana; the FBI is not specifically mentioned but its pretty obvious that the Bureau would have Havana police liason. For reference, Barker went on full contract as a CIA employee in April 1960 ... his first assignment was to a group working on "psychwar" projects against Castro. Unfortunately his primary Havana contact is not identified other than as A-1. -
David Ferrie Flight Plan
Larry Hancock replied to Francesca Akhtar's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
There's a copy of it on the document CD that goes with the first edition of Someone Would Have Talked.....we will be putting allt those documents up on a WEB site in support of the second edition. -
DISCOVERY CHANNEL, "Conspiracy Files: JFK", scheduled to air in March 2006, produced by NBC Primetime feature based on the thesis of Ultimate Sacrifice
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Bernard Barker on the grassy knoll?
Larry Hancock replied to Francesca Akhtar's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
Fancesca, I know that there are plans to make it available in the UK but I'm not sure about Amazon/UK. I'll try to find out. It should have broader distribution than the first edition, partially because the format for the second edition will be that of a standard size and bound commecial book. That makes it far easier to ship overseas. We will also be moving all the original and the new documents onto a WEB site, as well as the new charts. That should make the reference documents much easier to browse than on the CD and allows for easier update as well. I expect there will be a variety of support material on the WEB site that simply won't fit in the size constraints of the print book....the charts and some of the photo pages just don't work well when you squeeze them onto a book page. So in reality it gets to be two pieces of work, not just one. In any event, both the book and WEB site will hopefully be available this summer. -- Larry Great news, June is not too far off! Look forward to reading the new research, do you know yet if the book will be sold on the UK amazon? -
Bernard Barker on the grassy knoll?
Larry Hancock replied to Francesca Akhtar's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
Hi Francesca, well first I certainly would not write off Barker from being of interest. If nothing else he was in the ideal position to circulate information among some truly suspicious folks in 1963. However that's a far cry from making him part of the tactical team in DP - unless you want to posit that he was willing to take the fall as a Castro double agent in case he got caught. Otherwise he would be pointing at some people in Miami that would not have been all that happy coming under scrutiny. I imagine his photo was being shown because of Weberman's focus on Howard Hunt as being one of the three tramps and Barker having worked with Hunt prior to the BOP. On a side note, I ran across an interesting memo in which Morales remarks that Barker had a real problem keeping anything confidential and was known to talk about way too many things to too many people. Which doesn't seem to give him the right credentials to be pulled into a serious conspiracy of serious people (and given Hunt's reputation for poor tradecraft and his screw ups at Watergate, well Barker seems more like a Hunt type than the sort of folks I belive put Dallas together). Thanks for asking about the book, I'm deep in doing proffing of the publishers first layouts and things are going resonably well. I'm still thinking that June availability is possible, the one thing I can say is that the delay has given a bit more time to include brand new information from archives document research. -
Bernard Barker on the grassy knoll?
Larry Hancock replied to Francesca Akhtar's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
This was from an interview conducted by either Weberman or Canfield when Weitzman was in a rest home/sanitarium ...several years after the assassination. Weitzman refused to sign a statement to the effect and later others interviewed one of his Doctors who said that he had been terribly stressed by the interview and willing to say virtually anything to get the interviewer satisfied and to leave. One of those things that is just what you want to hear...and then starts to fall apart. -- Larry -
Gary Mack and the Sixth Floor Museum
Larry Hancock replied to John Simkin's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
Thank you Mike and Tom for the kind words, I do appreciate it and it helps during those deadly hours sorting through the galley's and endless edits. One thing that I did want to mention is that the second edition will contain appendices which present documents/analyses beyond what could be addressed in the body of the book without totally defocusing the reader. They will include (among other things) new information on: The FBI Odio investigation The Rose Cheramie remarks and drug investigation The mysterious death of Garrett Underhill Mitch Werbell's contacts with the CIA The Kirknewton incident and pre-assassination leaks Suppressed CIA Castro assassinatation activities Henry Hecksher's CIA career Richard Case Nagell's activities in Mexico City -- Larry -
Gary Mack and the Sixth Floor Museum
Larry Hancock replied to John Simkin's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
Hi Mike and thank you. Certainly it should be available this summer, hopefully as early as June. It has slipped a bit, among the reasons way my decision to add a good deal of information which came out in 2005 including some significant work by other authors. I wanted it to be as current as possible for 2006 and not the "last book of 2005". I've pledged to restrian myself from further editions and that should help meet the new target. We do plan to start sharing some of the content in advance of publication, especially for folks who didn't get the first edition. -- Larry -
Gary Mack and the Sixth Floor Museum
Larry Hancock replied to John Simkin's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
I would agree with Tim and indeed it needs to be said that Gary Mack requested a review copy of my first edition - however the first edition was developed primarily as a source document for researchers (hence on the CD exhibits rather than putting it into other areas). Also, we didn't feel that the "form factor" was right for a retail sales environment. For those reasons we didn't pass a copy to Gary. The second edition has been professionally edited, has been fact checked, will have an index and expanded bibliography and will be bound for retail sales - so we do anticipate submitting it to him. On the other hand, I'm still not going to gurantee that the reader won't find a typo or a bad use of grammar on my part. They will however find a great quantity of new material, a streamlining of the presentation, easier reading (well some easier at least due to the editor's persistance) and appendices running through "J" to accomodate peripheral material. -- Larry -
Lamar Waldron be giving a his first talk and signing since the Lancer conference in New York City on April 4, 2006. At 7pm at McNally Robinson bookstore, 50 Prince St. (between Lafayette and Mulberry)., Waldron will be talking about how the operations revealed in "Ultimate Sacrifice" set the stage for many of today's government secrecy problems. He'll explain why one million JFK files are still withheld from Congress and the America people, and why others were destroyed in 1995. Waldron will also show how new information in "Ultimate Sacrifice" finally clears framed ex-Secret Service agent Abraham Bolden, as well as what people can do to get justice for Bolden and get all the remaining JFK files released. Waldron's discussion will be hosted by noted author Mark Crispin Miller, as part of his "First Tuesday" series at McNally Robinson. Following the discussion, Waldron will answer questions and sign copies of "Ultimate Sacrifice." For bookstore directions or info call (212) 274-1160 or go to: http://www.mcnallyrobinsonnyc.com/ Also on April 4, from 10pm to 11pm (Eastern), Waldron will be a guest on New York's "Joey Reynolds" radio program, heard on WOR and other cities in the US. He'll be talking about "Ultimate Sacrifice" and taking questions from callers. Later in the show, they will be joined by long-time JFK researcher Jones Harris.
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Richard Bartolomew: Rambler Station Wagon
Larry Hancock replied to Robert Howard's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
Richard, thanks for the detailed clarification...I'm definitely printing this off and saving it with your sheet on the prints!! You bring up a good point on the number of matches, perhaps someone decided that would be an issue - but I too have read of cases taken to court with fewer than the twelve points. And given the higher point match on the primary print it makes the others much more likely IMHO. Very important information, thanks again! Larry -
Upcoming Discovery Channel Special
Larry Hancock replied to Larry Hancock's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
Not to my knowledge, I've heard something about April but nothing more specific. -- Larry -
http://www.nypost.com/gossip/liz/liz.htm EXPECT TOP-SECRET JFK DOCUMENTS by Liz Smith, New York Post March 14, 2006 -- 'IN AMERICA there are factions, but no conspiracies," wrote a French statesman about the United States back in the 1800s. Times have changed. LAST NOVEMBER we told you here about a book titled "Ultimate Sacrifice" that purported to offer new details about the death of President John F. Kennedy. It's too complicated to go into all the revelations in this massive work by Lamar Waldron, but suffice to say that the San Francisco Chronicle recently ran a rave review written by Ronald Goldfarb. He was the Mafia prosecutor under Attorney General Bobby Kennedy, and this is the first time anyone closely associated with either brother has offered praise for a JFK assassination book. Now we can tell you that NBC has completed an hourlong documentary focusing on the information in "Ultimate Sacrifice," and this top-secret project will air soon on the Discovery Channel. It is to be titled "Conspiracy Files: JFK" and will include material withheld from the Warren Commission and from congressional investigations as well. Such material has never been seen on TV before. Some of the protagonists are Mafia kingpin Johnny Rosselli and other godfathers telling how they tried to kill the president first in Chicago, then in Tampa and later in Dallas, where they ultimately succeeded. This documentary will offer the only TV interview in more than 40 years with the first black presidential Secret Service agent, Abraham Bolden. Framed by Rosselli's gang, he was arrested on the day he went to appear before the Warren Commission. He has fought for a very long time to clear his name. Discovery will offer us a few startling realities about how the Secret Service destroyed crucial files covering the Tampa and Chicago attempts in January 1995. And how there are still "well over one million CIA records" about the assassination that remain secret even to this day. "Sunshine Week" (March 12-18) - when the media presses for more access to all things shadowy - is an apt moment to focus on government secrecy, and with this documentary, it takes on even more importance.
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Richard Bartolomew: Rambler Station Wagon
Larry Hancock replied to Robert Howard's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
Thanks Richard, that's most helpful. And as usual the cover-up comes across as very consistent, no need to really alter anything, just make it disappear by "managing" the information in the reports. Leave something out here, renumber something there......just a little careful editing... I guess the only thing that surprises me is that Darby doesn't seem to have intimated to anycone includeing Barr that there were multiple fingers involved in his ID? -- Larry -
Richard Bartolomew: Rambler Station Wagon
Larry Hancock replied to Robert Howard's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
Richard, I'm probably being dense on this chart but the way I'm reading it is that the additional Wallace prints are not formerly unidentified prints nor prints attributed to someone else but actually prints totally missing out of the FBI count and talley. Please correct me if I'm getting that wrong. -- thanks, Larry In reading this thread it seems that some "insiders" know a good deal more than some of the rest of us. There is reference in this thread to an article by Richard Bartholmew on the "Mac Wallace" print(s). Could Mr. Bartholmew please post this article (or a link)? I am sure it would help the rest of us get up to speed on the status of this controversy. Larry Hancock was referring to my monograph, "Conflicts In Official Accounts of the Cardboard Carton Prints". Larry has the version ordered abridged by J. Harrison to hide the existence of matches to other Wallace fingers. The abridged version was part of the press packet at the failed Mac Wallace press conference. I have now posted the original, unabridged version, which has never been seen until now except by the late J. Harrison, and the late Mike Blackwell. Here is the link: http://www.bartholoviews.com/bibliography/mew/conflicts_.htm Richard -
Jack, its almost certainly a Murrey photo. In Trask's second book, That Day In Dallas, there is a very similar view probably taken within half a minute or less shown on page 84. It's taken from a little further up the knoll but shows essentially the same scene but with different vehicles in view as traffic continues to flow. -- Larry
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Richard Bartolomew: Rambler Station Wagon
Larry Hancock replied to Robert Howard's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
Richard, the paper I had in mind was: “Conflicts in Official Accounts of Cardboard Carton Prints”, a work I haverecommended. It uses as sources the WC Report (p. 566), Commission Exhibit 3131 pp 17-18 and WC Hearings Vol. XXVI, P. 809 plus testimony of Sebastian F. Latona, FBI Fingerprint section. -- I can't put my hands on a copy right now and don't recall the date, I think this is something you did even before the Wallace print came up and was a study of the obfuscation in the FBI's own work which pretty much covers up the issue that there were unidentified finger and palm prints. I referred to your work in an unpublished paper that I did in regard to a scenario for Wallace and Factor being in the TSBD. As far as the Rambler thing goes....I can tell you it is mentioned and referenced in Someone Would Have Talked but exactly where it is in there escapes me without going back through several chapters. I picked it up out of some readings on the early weapons dealing to Castro when folks like Sturgis and friends were coming into the US and picking up fairly small consignments of weapons to be shipped back to Cuba in small boat runs. -- Larry Thanks, Larry. I don't recall writing a monograph on the Wallace print. I wrote several e-mail replies to Mark Collum and Glen Sample defending Darby's ID against their so-called experts' critiques. Are those what you are referring to? Collum-Sample refused to publish most of them at the time. They were very biased against the print identification. Don't know if they ever posted my replies since changing their minds about the authenticity of the print. Do you have digital copies you could post here? My digital copies are long-gone, I'm afraid. I vaguely recall cc'ing them to you, Jay, and Barr. Nice work on the Rambler comment. Could you quote it here and cite the source? Richard -
Richard Bartolomew: Rambler Station Wagon
Larry Hancock replied to Robert Howard's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
Richard, I wanted to extend a warm welcome... great to see you here. Also wanted to thank you for the super work on the unidentified TSBD fingerprint monograph you did, it needs to get more visiblity in the research community. As a side note on Ramblers, in some of my work on Cuban gun running both to Castro and post-revolution I turned up an interesting comment that little Ramber station wagons were a vehicle of choice in carting moderate loads of weapons from sources in the U.S. to points where they could be taken by small boats into Cuba. Safer than putting them all in one big shipment. Perhaps we shouldn't be surprised to see several in the DP area... -- Larry -
Richard Bartolomew: Rambler Station Wagon
Larry Hancock replied to Robert Howard's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
Pat, strictly off memory, my recollection was that the confrontation with JFK was supposed to be the evening of the 22nd. That would seem to be impossible since the large Texas political dinner (with its seating issues) was to be that evening with a late arrival at the ranch. Hard to see Pearson sliding in for a private chat in the middle of a Presidential visit to the ranch... I don't recall how long the Kennedy family was to stay at the ranch so perhaps it was really to be sometime later. Bush had been in Texas for a week or more before the Texas trip not really doing anything and making a trip up to Fort Worth to address the Papsi convention. I'm sure the Manchester book would have the details on the planned Kennedy visit at the ranch. Was this meeting supposed to occur on the 22nd? Or was LBJ gonna stay on for a few days? Drew Pearson said that HE was gonna have a meeting with LBJ at the ranch on the 22nd. I suspect they were gonna strategize on how to smear Don Reynolds. I wonder if there was anything in Burris' briefcase on Reynolds... or Baker... or if LBJ just had a full plate... Ooops....sorry, that was "Johnson has been in Texas"...my mind obviously has begun to substitute one for the other.... Was this meeting supposed to occur on the 22nd? Or was LBJ gonna stay on for a few days? Drew Pearson said that HE was gonna have a meeting with LBJ at the ranch on the 22nd. I suspect they were gonna strategize on how to smear Don Reynolds. I wonder if there was anything in Burris' briefcase on Reynolds... or Baker... or if LBJ just had a full plate... -
Richard Bartolomew: Rambler Station Wagon
Larry Hancock replied to Robert Howard's topic in JFK Assassination Debate
Having spent much time on Col Burris I wish anyone going that direction a lot of luck. However, as they used to say on the Twilight Zone, "consider this": Col Burris flew down to Texas right before the assassination and back to DC immediately following (conflicting stories on exactly how he flew back). His explanation for the trip was that he carried down a briefcase full of briefing documents for LBJ - Johnson planned to have a head to head with JFK over international affairs while he was at the ranch and as his international/military advisor (not military aide) Burris was to prep him. So....show of hands....how many of you see LBJ having a major head to head with JFK over international affairs? And if so....to what purpose? -- Larry -
Dawn, I too think the way that the second expert pulled out from under Barr once he found out the implications is very critical. Heaven knows what expert would have the courage to stake a career on this ID. Richard's work on the unidentified prints is excellant and I wish it had wider distribution, I happened to get a copy and do reference it in the material I mentioned. This is one of those "tipping points" that could rewrite history officially, no wonder its so hot. I've been keeping my fingers crossed for a good while on this....Larry
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Following Glen's lead I've done a bit of work on Factor. Unfortunately the continuing issues with the print ID have led me keep the work unpublished....it's a continuation of the Estes/Carter study which John has in the seminar area. Anyone interested can email me and I'll send it along...it's pretty speculative, more so than what I would normally put in print. -- Larry