Larry Hancock

It seems to Steve, he did stay in Dallas for some time and then moved to Puerto Rico...can't tie down a definite date but it seems a pretty good fit. -- Larry About the only name I've run across is a guy named George F. Parrel. SS Rowley Memorandum of 4/24/64 CD 853 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...250&relPageId=2 1/16/64 Frank Ellsworth was interviewed about Orcarberro. Ellsworth had been working undercover gathering evidence against John Thomas Masen. Masen told Ellsworth that Orcarberro had been trying to buy guns and bazookas from Masen. Masen told Ellsworth that Rodriguez and George F. Parrel were leaders of the local DRE and also members of Alpha-66 Masen told Ellsworth that George Parrel, an associate of Orcarberro, had also been trying to buy guns from him. They had made purchases from him and that they presently have a large cache of arms located somewhere in Dallas. Parrel was a student at Dallas City College. Agent Ed Coyle was also contacted about Orcarberro. Steve Thomas

Steve, there are a few other names that come up in regard to the weapons shopping…I cover that in obnoxious detail in my book in the section on Ellsworth, Masen, Nonte et. al. The reference documents are all provided as exhibits. However there is good reason to suspect that there never was any weapons cache or necessarily even the money to pay for them if they had been located. As far as a list goes, there are a variety of FBI documents which essentially provide an index to various organizations and reports on Dallas exiles and exile organizations – but none of the actual data documents themselves. The FBI did not volunteer actual data to the WC or the HSCA and apparently nobody ever asked for any details. About the only name I've run across is a guy named George F. Parrel. SS Rowley Memorandum of 4/24/64 CD 853 http://www.maryferrell.org/mffweb/archive/...250&relPageId=2 1/16/64 Frank Ellsworth was interviewed about Orcarberro. Ellsworth had been working undercover gathering evidence against John Thomas Masen. Masen told Ellsworth that Orcarberro had been trying to buy guns and bazookas from Masen. Masen told Ellsworth that Rodriguez and George F. Parrel were leaders of the local DRE and also members of Alpha-66 Masen told Ellsworth that George Parrel, an associate of Orcarberro, had also been trying to buy guns from him. They had made purchases from him and that they presently have a large cache of arms located somewhere in Dallas. Parrel was a student at Dallas City College. Agent Ed Coyle was also contacted about Orcarberro. Steve Thomas

Robert, there is a nice photo of 3126 Harlandale, rented by Salazar and Rodriquez, in Tagg's book on Walthers. The CIA never could locate the place, they searched for Hollandale and Harlendale and could find neither....not noticing Harlandale in the listings it appears. Walthers himself has mistakenly listed it as 3128 Harlandale in his report. For reference, the reason Walther's was aware of the place was that his mother in law who lived in the area...which is why he did not name her. And apparently no agency ever asked him for the information nor tried to contact his informant first hand, reflecting a pretty serious lack of interest. The FBI did go to their local informant on Alpha 66 who "cleared" the house of any suspicion and they dropped the whole matter at that point. They never attempted to construct a list of actual residents or visitors. -- Larry Place this in the 'trust me' but find out for yourself if it makes you feel better category, for years I alway's believed it was 3126 Harlandale, until I really studied the documentation. You will find that there was a lot of stumbling and bumbling by the investigatory agencies ala Inspector Jacques Closeau that appear as if they could not have found it on mapquest. When you look at the ascending chronology of the reports you will find that it is indeed 3126 Harlandale, Anthony Summer's muddled the waters a bit by linking the Buddy Walter's 'Oswald at Cuban meeting' to 3128 Hollandale, which is in Farmer's Branch which I attribute to not being familiar with Dallas in the geographical sense, if someone can produce evidence to the contrary, I would very much like to made aware of it.

Robert, you have the name of the owner of the house but he was renting it to a man named Salazar so its likely that if it did have a phone listing it was in his name. Orcarberrio and others lived in it, apparently with Salazar's permission. On another note, I can't prove it for sure but there is some reason that the informant that the DPD used to write off their investigation and certify that Oswald and nobody else suspicious had ever been there may have been Orcarberrio himself.

Steve, my memory will be faulty but I think this is covered at some length in the LaFontaines book. My benchmark on the FBI inquiry is that they were trying to minimize the Odio incident and even had instructions from Hoover to position her as mentally ill....they tried to get her Uncle to go along with that and he refused. So did her Doctor. Add that to the fact that she wrote her father in Cuba (before the assassination) about two unknown men who had visited her and who she was worried about and I have a difficult time accepting that she knew either of her visitors. Of course, as with how many shots came from where, there are innumerable ways to spin the Odio incident and to marginalize its significance.

Pat, I suspect the liklihood that Sanchez actually left CIA is slightly less than zero. Morales operated under a State Department and later an AID cover for most of his career. ....probably a promotion... Larry

James, at this point the documents tell us that Quintero was involved in the French trips and that Jenkins was doing some support for them although there is no mention he himself went. And of course Wheaton does specifically say that Jenkins introduced him to Nestor Sanchez among others (suggesting JM/WAVE involvement for Sanchez as Jim mentioned). One of the problems is that most of the documents from that period use crypts extensively so without knowing what Sanchez crypt may have been its going to be hard to locate him. Now if somebody tells me he was called Segundo we might have something going. -- Larry Well OK, so I should look first next time...anyway, I think the following would give James a yes to his question and likely confirm Jim's comment as well: AGENCY INFORMATION AGENCY : CIA RECORD NUMBER : 104-10102-10026 RECORDS SERIES : JFK AGENCY FILE NUMBER : 80T01357A DOCUMENT INFORMATION ORIGINATOR : CIA FROM : SANCHEZ, NESTOR D., SAS/EOB TO : THE RECORD TITLE : AMLASH/1/DAINOLD DATE : 11/13/1963 PAGES : 2 DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER - TEXTUAL DOCUMENT SUBJECTS : JAMES CLARK CLASSIFICATION : SECRET RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL CURRENT STATUS : OPEN DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 07/19/1993 COMMENTS : JFK34 : F7 : 1993.07.19.16:39:58:280270 The following pretty well firms up the answer...yes Sanchez was part of AM/WIRLD, yes he was working with Atime, Quintero and Jenkins circa 1963 and certainly out of the JM/WAVE complex. AGENCY : CIA RECORD NUMBER : 104-10215-10169 RECORDS SERIES : JFK AGENCY FILE NUMBER : 80T01357A DOCUMENT INFORMATION ORIGINATOR : CIA FROM : DIRECTOR TO : PARIS, LONDON, HAMBURG, FRANKFURT. TITLE : CABLE:MR NESTOR SANCHEZ ETA PARIS 3 OCT CONTINUE MEETS AMLALSH/1. DATE : 09/30/1963 PAGES : 1 DOCUMENT TYPE : PAPER - TEXTUAL DOCUMENT SUBJECTS : JFK ASSASSINATION; MHAPRON PROGRAM; SANCHEZ NESTOR CLASSIFICATION : RESTRICTIONS : OPEN IN FULL CURRENT STATUS : OPEN DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 06/17/2004 COMMENTS : JFK64-50 : F24 : 20040311-1057057 :

Herb, Lamar's research is meticulous and you will see that in his documents, references and index. I can vouch for that as Lamar and I've been in communication on this sort of material for some time now. And there is no particular reason that Harry Williams would be making up a story on a very private, potential coup agreement with a high Cuban revolutionary official. All the documents show that Williams was where he described to Lamar, doing what he described. And the fact that Robert Kennedy made one of his very first post assassination calls to Williams is pretty significant in my book. Given that, the book is a significant work of cold war history irrespective of anything else. Where matters get more complex is tieing all that to a plan originated and driven by the three mob bosses Lamar identifies. I'll have to leave it to Lamar and the book to support those connections. I think its possible to make a very good case they were aware of a plot, encouraged it and supported it. But whether the were the originators and "operators" of it remains an open question for me... I tend to take a bit of a different slant on it. Hopefully this year in Dallas, Lamar and I will both get behind a table and let folks toss questions at us for a lively discussion. Larry, What's your take on the book and theory? Thanks, Herb

Antti, I think you're confused on this info. The name "Saul" was given to the mystery man by Hugh McDonald in his book "Appointment in Dallas." McDonald was a former Los Angeles County Chief of Detectives and claimed a relationship with military intelligence and the CIA. Hemming's calling this man "Saul" is just him being cute. "Saul" was not his real name. McDonald did indeed claim to have tracked down the man and to have spoken with him. The story recounted by Saul is not all that believable, however. There is reference to McDonald in the HSCA's report on De Mohrenschildt, indicating that McDonald did indeed conduct his own investigation and that his story is not all b.s. McDonald eventually came to theorize that LBJ cut a deal with Russian hard-liners, and that the Russians, with Oswald's Mexico City travel companion Albert Osborne as operative, set up the assassination. I think McDonald was well-intentioned but was misled by "Saul" and some of his CIA contacts. I was just browsing this thread again when I came upon Pats post here. I just want to say that I have just finished reading this book and nowhere in it did I read a part saying that LBJ cut a deal with the Russians. McDonald does not in fact speculate as to wh ordered the assassination. I think Pat may have been mistaken or thought of a different book. I posted this just in case someone stumbled upon this thread in the future. John

Hi James, actually I have.... I have a June 21, 1972 memo of a conversation of Morales in which he relates that Barker was recruited as a support agent in Havana in 1959. Barker was used to provide information on police and political matters and also to transport agents to various harbors for exfiltration. Barker himself was exfiltrated to Tampa in 1959. Morales expressed the opinion that Barker was such a loudmouth and talked to so many people that he considered him a security risk and had recommended that he be terminated in 1962. In addition a CIA Biography on Barker, prepared in 1973 mentions that Barker recruited agents for the CIA while in Cuba in 1959. Barker was recruited because his police position had detailed him to be liason with a number of US agencies in Havana; the FBI is not specifically mentioned but its pretty obvious that the Bureau would have Havana police liason. For reference, Barker went on full contract as a CIA employee in April 1960 ... his first assignment was to a group working on "psychwar" projects against Castro. Unfortunately his primary Havana contact is not identified other than as A-1.

There's a copy of it on the document CD that goes with the first edition of Someone Would Have Talked.....we will be putting allt those documents up on a WEB site in support of the second edition.

DISCOVERY CHANNEL, "Conspiracy Files: JFK", scheduled to air in March 2006, produced by NBC Primetime feature based on the thesis of Ultimate Sacrifice

Fancesca, I know that there are plans to make it available in the UK but I'm not sure about Amazon/UK. I'll try to find out. It should have broader distribution than the first edition, partially because the format for the second edition will be that of a standard size and bound commecial book. That makes it far easier to ship overseas. We will also be moving all the original and the new documents onto a WEB site, as well as the new charts. That should make the reference documents much easier to browse than on the CD and allows for easier update as well. I expect there will be a variety of support material on the WEB site that simply won't fit in the size constraints of the print book....the charts and some of the photo pages just don't work well when you squeeze them onto a book page. So in reality it gets to be two pieces of work, not just one. In any event, both the book and WEB site will hopefully be available this summer. -- Larry Great news, June is not too far off! Look forward to reading the new research, do you know yet if the book will be sold on the UK amazon?

Hi Francesca, well first I certainly would not write off Barker from being of interest. If nothing else he was in the ideal position to circulate information among some truly suspicious folks in 1963. However that's a far cry from making him part of the tactical team in DP - unless you want to posit that he was willing to take the fall as a Castro double agent in case he got caught. Otherwise he would be pointing at some people in Miami that would not have been all that happy coming under scrutiny. I imagine his photo was being shown because of Weberman's focus on Howard Hunt as being one of the three tramps and Barker having worked with Hunt prior to the BOP. On a side note, I ran across an interesting memo in which Morales remarks that Barker had a real problem keeping anything confidential and was known to talk about way too many things to too many people. Which doesn't seem to give him the right credentials to be pulled into a serious conspiracy of serious people (and given Hunt's reputation for poor tradecraft and his screw ups at Watergate, well Barker seems more like a Hunt type than the sort of folks I belive put Dallas together). Thanks for asking about the book, I'm deep in doing proffing of the publishers first layouts and things are going resonably well. I'm still thinking that June availability is possible, the one thing I can say is that the delay has given a bit more time to include brand new information from archives document research.

This was from an interview conducted by either Weberman or Canfield when Weitzman was in a rest home/sanitarium ...several years after the assassination. Weitzman refused to sign a statement to the effect and later others interviewed one of his Doctors who said that he had been terribly stressed by the interview and willing to say virtually anything to get the interviewer satisfied and to leave. One of those things that is just what you want to hear...and then starts to fall apart. -- Larry

Thank you Mike and Tom for the kind words, I do appreciate it and it helps during those deadly hours sorting through the galley's and endless edits. One thing that I did want to mention is that the second edition will contain appendices which present documents/analyses beyond what could be addressed in the body of the book without totally defocusing the reader. They will include (among other things) new information on: The FBI Odio investigation The Rose Cheramie remarks and drug investigation The mysterious death of Garrett Underhill Mitch Werbell's contacts with the CIA The Kirknewton incident and pre-assassination leaks Suppressed CIA Castro assassinatation activities Henry Hecksher's CIA career Richard Case Nagell's activities in Mexico City -- Larry

Hi Mike and thank you. Certainly it should be available this summer, hopefully as early as June. It has slipped a bit, among the reasons way my decision to add a good deal of information which came out in 2005 including some significant work by other authors. I wanted it to be as current as possible for 2006 and not the "last book of 2005". I've pledged to restrian myself from further editions and that should help meet the new target. We do plan to start sharing some of the content in advance of publication, especially for folks who didn't get the first edition. -- Larry

I would agree with Tim and indeed it needs to be said that Gary Mack requested a review copy of my first edition - however the first edition was developed primarily as a source document for researchers (hence on the CD exhibits rather than putting it into other areas). Also, we didn't feel that the "form factor" was right for a retail sales environment. For those reasons we didn't pass a copy to Gary. The second edition has been professionally edited, has been fact checked, will have an index and expanded bibliography and will be bound for retail sales - so we do anticipate submitting it to him. On the other hand, I'm still not going to gurantee that the reader won't find a typo or a bad use of grammar on my part. They will however find a great quantity of new material, a streamlining of the presentation, easier reading (well some easier at least due to the editor's persistance) and appendices running through "J" to accomodate peripheral material. -- Larry

Lamar Waldron be giving a his first talk and signing since the Lancer conference in New York City on April 4, 2006. At 7pm at McNally Robinson bookstore, 50 Prince St. (between Lafayette and Mulberry)., Waldron will be talking about how the operations revealed in "Ultimate Sacrifice" set the stage for many of today's government secrecy problems. He'll explain why one million JFK files are still withheld from Congress and the America people, and why others were destroyed in 1995. Waldron will also show how new information in "Ultimate Sacrifice" finally clears framed ex-Secret Service agent Abraham Bolden, as well as what people can do to get justice for Bolden and get all the remaining JFK files released. Waldron's discussion will be hosted by noted author Mark Crispin Miller, as part of his "First Tuesday" series at McNally Robinson. Following the discussion, Waldron will answer questions and sign copies of "Ultimate Sacrifice." For bookstore directions or info call (212) 274-1160 or go to: http://www.mcnallyrobinsonnyc.com/ Also on April 4, from 10pm to 11pm (Eastern), Waldron will be a guest on New York's "Joey Reynolds" radio program, heard on WOR and other cities in the US. He'll be talking about "Ultimate Sacrifice" and taking questions from callers. Later in the show, they will be joined by long-time JFK researcher Jones Harris.

Richard, thanks for the detailed clarification...I'm definitely printing this off and saving it with your sheet on the prints!! You bring up a good point on the number of matches, perhaps someone decided that would be an issue - but I too have read of cases taken to court with fewer than the twelve points. And given the higher point match on the primary print it makes the others much more likely IMHO. Very important information, thanks again! Larry

Not to my knowledge, I've heard something about April but nothing more specific. -- Larry

http://www.nypost.com/gossip/liz/liz.htm EXPECT TOP-SECRET JFK DOCUMENTS by Liz Smith, New York Post March 14, 2006 -- 'IN AMERICA there are factions, but no conspiracies," wrote a French statesman about the United States back in the 1800s. Times have changed. LAST NOVEMBER we told you here about a book titled "Ultimate Sacrifice" that purported to offer new details about the death of President John F. Kennedy. It's too complicated to go into all the revelations in this massive work by Lamar Waldron, but suffice to say that the San Francisco Chronicle recently ran a rave review written by Ronald Goldfarb. He was the Mafia prosecutor under Attorney General Bobby Kennedy, and this is the first time anyone closely associated with either brother has offered praise for a JFK assassination book. Now we can tell you that NBC has completed an hourlong documentary focusing on the information in "Ultimate Sacrifice," and this top-secret project will air soon on the Discovery Channel. It is to be titled "Conspiracy Files: JFK" and will include material withheld from the Warren Commission and from congressional investigations as well. Such material has never been seen on TV before. Some of the protagonists are Mafia kingpin Johnny Rosselli and other godfathers telling how they tried to kill the president first in Chicago, then in Tampa and later in Dallas, where they ultimately succeeded. This documentary will offer the only TV interview in more than 40 years with the first black presidential Secret Service agent, Abraham Bolden. Framed by Rosselli's gang, he was arrested on the day he went to appear before the Warren Commission. He has fought for a very long time to clear his name. Discovery will offer us a few startling realities about how the Secret Service destroyed crucial files covering the Tampa and Chicago attempts in January 1995. And how there are still "well over one million CIA records" about the assassination that remain secret even to this day. "Sunshine Week" (March 12-18) - when the media presses for more access to all things shadowy - is an apt moment to focus on government secrecy, and with this documentary, it takes on even more importance.

Thanks Richard, that's most helpful. And as usual the cover-up comes across as very consistent, no need to really alter anything, just make it disappear by "managing" the information in the reports. Leave something out here, renumber something there......just a little careful editing... I guess the only thing that surprises me is that Darby doesn't seem to have intimated to anycone includeing Barr that there were multiple fingers involved in his ID? -- Larry

Richard, I'm probably being dense on this chart but the way I'm reading it is that the additional Wallace prints are not formerly unidentified prints nor prints attributed to someone else but actually prints totally missing out of the FBI count and talley. Please correct me if I'm getting that wrong. -- thanks, Larry In reading this thread it seems that some "insiders" know a good deal more than some of the rest of us. There is reference in this thread to an article by Richard Bartholmew on the "Mac Wallace" print(s). Could Mr. Bartholmew please post this article (or a link)? I am sure it would help the rest of us get up to speed on the status of this controversy. Larry Hancock was referring to my monograph, "Conflicts In Official Accounts of the Cardboard Carton Prints". Larry has the version ordered abridged by J. Harrison to hide the existence of matches to other Wallace fingers. The abridged version was part of the press packet at the failed Mac Wallace press conference. I have now posted the original, unabridged version, which has never been seen until now except by the late J. Harrison, and the late Mike Blackwell. Here is the link: http://www.bartholoviews.com/bibliography/mew/conflicts_.htm Richard

Jack, its almost certainly a Murrey photo. In Trask's second book, That Day In Dallas, there is a very similar view probably taken within half a minute or less shown on page 84. It's taken from a little further up the knoll but shows essentially the same scene but with different vehicles in view as traffic continues to flow. -- Larry