Larry Hancock

SOMEONE WOULD HAVE TALKED and http://www.larry-hancock.com The book can now be ordered through Amazon but there will be the regular distribution delay as JFL Lancer fills their requests. If you order through the book site below the book shouldl be shipped from stock in hand. If you are ordering from outside the U.S. it that may prove to be quicker and in some cases possibly less expensive. JFK Lancer will take travelers checks in payment if you have no other payment option and ship on receipt of the checks with your order. http://www.larry-hancock.com/order.html -- hope that helps, Larry

Chuck, given the second slip you posted - do you know any more about it - the reason I asked is it seems a bit strange to find a two year period mentioned as if it were part of the subject and not an actual date for the sheet itself. Which makes me wonder if it is really a post assassination effort to collect material on Oswald from the period in question? I agree it would be a good thing to see the material it refers to; just need more data to be sure this really shows GP/FLOOR (which appears to have been the crypt for a post assassination investigation of Oswald) before the assassination - which would be another ball of wax entirely. ...on the second point, my question on Alvarado has always been that since he willingly came to the U.S. and since his information was potentially so explosive - why wouldn';t they shove him on a US military aircraft and fly him to some highly secure base and not only polygraph him but do whatever was required. After all his story was being backed by CIA in MC and I can't think of a more explosive issue - unless somebody way up at the top knew it couldn't be true. I really don't think the Mexican government would have objected - why all these games about keeping him in Mexico, well fed and unstressed...?

James, I got your document; for reference the memo I'm looking at now is attached to a note written to Lansdale on July 3, 1962. The cover note mentions that Navy people at Guantanamo had been approached by people on the Joint Staff about trying to use Guantanamo for psych ops against Cuba and had responded negatively. The memo says that both State and Navy oppose any proposals to raise issues about the base. The attached note however, is from Special Plans and Ops (possibly Morales?) and summarizes a host of porvacative actions against Cuba - the reason for this however, seems to be that ONI has been given consistent intelligence about a pending Cuban air force plan to actually strafe Guantanamo (sounds amazingly stupid but that's what it says). In response to this several naval units are being dispatched to the area including the USS Forrestal with its entire airgroup and a variety of other fleet elements including transports to evacuate the base!! The base has been moved up to DEFCON 3. In conjunction with this then there is a list of 21 highly provacative actions that might be taken against Cuba....a very strange combination of content in the memo. Question is, was the ONI intel planted to assemble a major force around Cuba and then somebody thinks about something to justify using it once its there? -- Larry

Given Steve's document references it appears that this thread supports the view that GP/FLOOR does indeed refer to the post-assassination investigation of Oswald. If anyone has seen any pre-assassination use of the crypt please let us know; I do not recall any. It seems ironic that they are showing so much concern for Alavrado who had performed a highly inflammatory and dangerous hoax - compared to having Sylvia Duran picked up and treated pretty brutally by Mexican authorities, with no qualms at all. Bill, I've provided a number of additional crypts in the new book that you will want to add to your list......many of them relate to individuals. -- Larry

James, I have a Naval memo that itemizes the list of potential actions that apparently were generated by that meeting. All of them are extremely aggressive and some would have required fleet level action. The "exploding" paratroops item seems rather fascinating. All in all it sounds very over the top, any clue who would have given Morales authorization to approache the Navy at that level. If you could send me the document I will go ahead and get both that and the Navy document posted in the Morales section of the SWHT web site after the conference. -- thanks, Larry PS...for Francesca....on your question, they had the same travel agent book their November trips to Dallas (just kidding of course...for the moment at least).

This is a very interesting document and I think it should lead to some general discussion of GP/FLOOR. We have seen that crypt on documents having to do with Oswald but as with many crypts the question is whether or not it refers to a person, project or possibly process. This document suggests that GP/FLOOR might have been a process or asset for CIA moving people in and out of Mexico and avoiding certain customs procedures. We do have an early report from a Customs source that Owsald was under observation by a government agency and received special handling on his border transit - a report that was squelched very quickly. Could GP/FLOOR be a clue that Oswald went in or possibly out of Mexico with some sort of CIA assistance? .....Larry

Hello everyone, I wanted to let those coming or considering the conference to know that we have a last minute speaker addition. Jeff Morley will be speaking on Friday evening (Rex Bradford graciously made some of his secheduled time available). Jeff has some important new research he wishes to share and the implications are significant. ...now if that doesn't get your attention.. -- Larry

I wish I could offer something significant about William Bishop, in Mexico City or anywhere else. I've spent a good deal of time talking to those researchers who knew him best and in going through the materials he did make available. All with no more success than anyone else. The following is the best that I can make out. He did have military connections to Florida Guard and Reserve units and clearly had been given some sort of introduction to them, I suspect this was prior to the Bay of Pigs when so many actions had to be taken even within Florida and La. that had to be kept out of the press. He clearly did know the names and address of a number of anti-Castro, secret war participants... especially in Miami. There seems to be nothing to indicate that he was an official part of JMMARC or JMWAVE however and given his noted ability to run scams I suspect it would have been hard for him to ever pass an Agency security screen. My best call is that he was a back alley, deniable asset for either Morales or someone else very much like Morales who desired the ability to do things they needed to do without getting wrapped up in agency reporting or rules. The sort that claimed to be CIA when it suited their purposes but were never really affiliated, giving them the option to do lots of interesting things on the side... he certainly would not have been the only one playing that game. If he went to MC my guess there is that it was to do some rather violent actions against Cuban G2 or their fellow travelers, the sort of thing that never shows up in Agency memos. The sort of things that David Morales seems to have been able to organize very efficiently. -- I do wish I could be more helpful, Larry

I think Steve is on to something - this morning when I accessed the forum as I normally do it recognized me as a visitor and rejected my posting. But it was a simple matter of re-entering information as prompted. Perhaps the same thing happened to Jack? -- Larry The "refused" message is the same one I get when I try to reply to a thread or post a new topic. But, that's only the top half of the error message. The bottom half tells me that I have to log in first before I can post. Steve Thomas

Just wanted to post to let Myra know I had responded to her question and also to let John know that James has sent in a revised photo page with a corrected Bolden photo and that it should be posted on the book web site later today. -- thanks for the quick catch John, Larry

Hi Myra, based on John Martino's observations and my own studies I would consider Oswald to be an unwitting albeit not entirely innocent patsy. Certainly he knew that he was in contact with "subversives" and I would speculate that they may well have fed him a line which included some act which would have focused attention on the US assassination attempts on Castro. There is solid evidence that Owald had joined up to participate in some sort of act/demonstration in the DC area in September. However on November 22, Oswald was expecting to leave Dallas and head out for Cuba, most likely via Mexico. Something may have been said to him about some incident with JFK but clearly he was also told something which kept him "off the street" for the passage of the motorcade. As to informing, I do think Oswald passed on a variety of information to the FBI and may well have passed on talk against JFK in New Orleans while he was there. There was plenty of it going on among Bannister's crowd including Ferrie and Shaw. In any event, I hope that works as a quick response to your question, basically Oswald was just what he proclaimed himself to be, a "patsy" ....but certainly not a simple patsy who was doing nothing more that day than planning on going to work and ending up in his own room that evening. -- Larry

Thanks John, I'll check with James as to his source for the Bolden photo and change it accordingly... -- Larry

Hello all, just wanted to let you all know that the book is at the printers and the WEB site is live now at: www.larry-hancock.com I want to give a big thank you to Debra for her extensive work on the site and on the document uplaods; it was a massive project and indeed is still going on. New documents will continue to go up this week. I'd also like to thank James Richards for all the photo pages and Phil Hopley for his work in creating the social network charts - a number of people suggested diagrams to help relate all the names and events and Phil jumped in to create what you see on the site. One note, the resources on the site are organized to support the book and to support the reader as they proceed through it. New documents in the second edition have been designated separately from the first edition document exhibits and documents will be added for the new appendices as well. Orders for the book may be placed through the book web site now; for those wanting to buy from Amazon or from book stores its going to take a few more weeks to get it set up and available through those outlets. -- Larry

Thanks Franceska, you beat me to it. I was just about the post the welcome notice (which I will do below). One quick note, we've already changed the site to give Phil Hopley credit for the social diagram charts. He and James Richards share the honor for major contributions with James doing the photo pages and Phil the new charts - both being Australian researchers it should be noted! To save electrons, my invitation message is as follows: "Hello all, just wanted to let you all know that the book is at the printers and the WEB site is live now at: www.larry-hancock.com I want to give a big thank you to Debra for her extensive work on the site and on the document uplaods; it was a massive project and indeed is still going on. New documents will continue to go up this week. I'd also like to thank James Richards for all the photo pages and Phil Hopley for his work in creating the social network charts - a number of people suggested diagrams to help relate all the names and events and Phil jumped in to create what you see on the site. One note, the resources on the site are organized to support the book and to support the reader as they proceed through it. New documents in the second edition have been designated separately from the first edition document exhibits and documents will be added for the new appendices as well. Orders for the book may be placed through the book web site now; for those wanting to buy from Amazon or from book stores its going to take a few more weeks to get it set up and available through those outlets. -- Larry

Francesca, don't want you to feel worse but you will also be missing some very interesting presentations on David Ferrie by Stephen Roy and Stephen Taylor as well as a fascinating ongoing research update by Jim Olivier and Stu Wexler on participants in the Oswald leafleting incident in New Orleans. However, I know Deb has new recording equipment and is going to be going right to DVD so that will be one option for getting conference information. If you have any specific questions for Anne or the others on New Orleans email them to me direct and I'll try to make sure they get asked. -- we will miss you, Larry

John, the conference will be held at the Crown Plaza hotel off the Stemmons freeway in Dallas. It will run all day and into the evenings on November 17-19. Full details on the schedule, speakers, hotel, etc can be found at: http://jfklancer.com/Dallas.html Feel free to email me if you have any further questions. -- Regards, Larry

We would like to announce that Anne Dischler is the individual previously listed as our mystery guest for the November in Dallas Conference. We've gotten final confirmation from Anne and are very exicited to offer attendees a chance to hear from her in person and to ask her questions. The following is the description posted by Sherry on the Lancer forum: ..................... Mrs. Dischler worked as assistant investigator to Lt. Francis Fruge of the Louisiana State Police for the office of District Attorney Jim Garrison of Orleans Parish, Louisiana. She primarily worked in the areas concerning Rose Cheramie and interviews of citizens of Clinton, Louisiana as they concerned the Shaw\Ferrie\Oswald appearances in that Louisiana town prior to the assassination of President Kennedy. Dischler still has the three stenographic pads of field notes she accumulated during her tenure on the Clinton investigation in 1967. Anne Dischler interviewed many people in Jackson and Clinton Louisiana. Mrs. Dischler has first hand information concerning Shaw possibly being identified as traveling with Oswald; and the voting card Oswald is alleged to have signed in Clinton, LA. Her attendance at NID 2006 will be a rare opportunity for researchers to question someone with first hand knowledge of the investigation. This will be the first conference appearance for Anne Dischler and JFK Lancer is proud and happy to welcome her. She is a charming person and I know you will be pleased to meet and talk with her in November.

Hi Francesca, thanks for the kind words on the conference and we will miss you and other of our U.K. friends who are not able to attend this year. Unfortunately I don't know the details of the U.K. book availability yet, but Debra has a section on the book web site which will address all those details on where and how it will be available including international....its just not completed yet. She's hard at work on the WEB site this week though and I would think we would be ready to share it even while its under construction by next week. It is being constructed as an aid to the reader and I hope that on occasion people will read and refer to it simultaneously. ....Larry

Lee, about 50 copies of the soft cover galley proof went out to reviewers and to those who were willing to take a galley copy and make comments. It will not be in general distribution until feedback and final changes are incorporated and the first full hard cover print run is complete. We anticipate that will be the first week in November. The book will be available from JFK Lancer, from Andy at Last Hurrah and it will also go to Amazon and into general book distribution. The timing of all that won't be instantaneous I imagine but I'll ask Debra to post ordering information when its actually shipping. -- Larry

Will do John, we hope to have at least a partially populated site up sometime this coming week. For starters it will have all the exhibits for the first edition; the content which was on the CD. Then we will add a series of new exhibits to support some of the chapters as well as the new appendices. After that come the expanded photo sections and the social network diagrams. When it's complete we also play to have a mechanism add additional exhibits which are relevant to the book; with a little luck we may have the first of those in November or December (they are on order from NARA now). And that certainly goes for anything relevant that other researchers discover as well. We also hope to provide a FAQ relating to the book and a place to post responses to questions. I'll be providing a brief overview of the site late Sunday afternoon at the Lancer conference. -- thanks, Larry

As a note on the WEB site, there will be no charge for access so all the original and second edition documents plus the other content will be available to everyone. It will be referenced by chapter though so with the book as a guide it will be easier to find relevant content. Hopefully it will be one more significant content resource and we plan to continue adding relevant documents as we turn them up - or as other researchers locate them.

The status is that soft cover reviewers copies of the galley printing have gone out to 40 some individuals - they completed mailing by this last Monday. These copies do not have the index, they do not have absolutely final versions of the appendices and end notes which I continued to update as recently as last week. We are waiting for another week for comments back from these initial reviewers and readers and Debra is putting in all my final copy. The exhibits for the first edition are now on a web site and we will be working on this WEB site next week, it will contain new exhibits, photo sections and social diagrams. The current goal is to have the book printed and in circulation by the first week of November. Hopefully it will be worth the wait,

Steve, if memory serves, Plan Omega was discussed in a couple of press conferences by Alpha 66....it was part of their structured build up of off shore, sea borne assults which would hopefully trigger a larger scale movement against Castro within Cuba. Alpha 66 was very specifically raising funds for these projects. Fund raising and PR were very much part of their overall program....Omega was intended to take their effort to its hoped for conclusion e.g. Alpha to Omega... -- at least that's what jumps to mind, Larry In Rowley’s letter to Rankin dated 4/24/64, he says, “The basic document in this investigation is a memorandum from the CIA to the Federal Bureau of Investigation – Special Agent in Charge (Miami Office) dated November 25, 1963…Rodriguez is also mentioned in FBI Report of SA William Mayo Drew of the Miami Office. FBI file number 105-112098.” Go to the NARA Archives and do a standard search for 105-112098. Click on the entries of William Mayo Drew. Here is what you'll get: Mayo 10/24/63 RESTRICTIONS : 1A; DONOR RESTRICTION; REFERRED CURRENT STATUS : RELEASED WITH DELETIONS Moses Aleman 10/16/63 RESTRICTIONS : 4 CURRENT STATUS : RELEASED WITH DELETIONS DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 09/14/1998 OPENING CRITERIA : INDEFINITE Mayo 2/11/64 RESTRICTIONS : 4 CURRENT STATUS : RELEASED WITH DELETIONS DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 09/25/1998 OPENING CRITERIA : INDEFINITE Mayo 10/24/63 CLASSIFICATION : SECRET RESTRICTIONS : 1B; 4 CURRENT STATUS : RELEASED WITH DELETIONS DATE OF LAST REVIEW : 09/25/1998 OPENING CRITERIA : INDEFINITE, APPROVAL OF CIA Grrrrrrrrr... It looks like this file had something to do with Alpha 66 and the SNFE. Several times something called Plan Omega is mentioned. Steve Thomas

Good point John - although have to consider that there could well be two CIA camps in operation here. It could be that the Mexico City staff were doing their job quite well and became aware of Oswald and began investigating him on their own. This would explain the observation by the interpreter that the office was "hot" about Oswald even at the time the first call was being translated. Oswald may have come onto their radar screen independently from whoever was running the compartementalized opearation. Then you run into the conflict of the local office being hot about what he's really doing there and the covert faction trying to lower their attention so their compartmentalized operation doesn't get stepped on. Which probably explains a large amount of the apparant internal conflict and contradiction we see between different CIA elements immediately following the assassination. Talk about "conflicted"...

Rather than led this thread die off I would like to second John and Greg. The importance of Jeff and John's find here is immense. Working through it step by step we can generate the following: 1. More than one senior staff officer in the CIA signed off on a document knowing it to be false, this is not a minor incident. 2. More importantly, these individuals are signing off on an internal response being given to a foreign CIA station, a station at the forefront of counter intelligence activities against both the Cubans and the Russians. 3. The net restult of this response is an attempt to mis-direct Mexico City on Oswald's recent activities and particularly his pro-Castro and pro-Cuban visibility. 4. This makes absolutely no sense unless their is a "compartmentalized" operation going on within the CIA which somehow involves Oswald and somebody wants Mexico City staff not to interfere by minimizing Oswald's background. We know that this sort of compartmentalization did occur and in the fall of 1963 we have one concrete example of a project going on in MC that was to be rigorously comparmentalized, AM-WORLD. We have documents showing that project was to be totally concealed from local station staff - except for David Phillips. 5. The net of all of this can only be that Oswald was of very special interest to some small group of CIA staff or of some comparmentalized project and that this was being conducted outside the general knowledge of MC station - presenting the need to keep them jumping into the middle of it with both feet. Imagine the newspaper headlines on November 23 with only this one piece of information. -- Larry