Robert Prudhomme

C7 vertebra, showing left and right transverse processes.

Cervical vertebrae, again showing location of transverse process.

Cross section of neck and cervical spine again, showing cervical vertebra. The cervical vertebra includes the "Y" shaped piece of bone pointed out, plus the oblong piece of bone directly above it. Note the location of the trachea (windpipe) as pointed to and labelled in this diagram.

Now, Dave, let's put our thinking caps on, and go over what we are looking at here. Even if the tie did move to the right, and James seems to have some good evidence it did not, what do you think would make the upper section of Connally's tie jump to the right, in the space of one frame?

I mean, seriously, Dave, this is even harder to swallow than the lapel flipping out, simply because debris had hit the inside of his coat.

A tie is merely a piece of cloth, attached only at the collar of the shirt. It hangs down, completely independent of everything around it.

Explain to me how a bullet passing through Connally's coat and shirt, in the vicinity of his right nipple, can make his tie move sideways.

If the coat was bulging out, it would be pushing itself against the lapel, making it more difficult for the wind to catch the lapel. Exactly the opposite of what you think occurred.

No, I believe James is correct in surmising that Connally was turning to his left. There was a stiff breeze blowing through Dealey Plaza that day. At some point in his turn, the underside of the lapel was likely caught by the wind.

Some things are simpler than we make them out to be.

"The wind probably caught ahold of the lapel after the bullet passed through Connally's jacket, causing it to flip up more dramatically."

Sounds like you are contradicting your own argument, Dave. You are describing two independent events.

P.S.

What flavour of whupping do you prefer?

Or, the wind caught the lapel as Connally was turning to the left. Either way, you have to agree, though, that the lapel flip likely had nothing to do with a bullet, right?

Now, one more time, Dave. How does the lapel flip out from debris hitting the inside of Connally's jacket, WELL away from the lapel?

There seems to be a lot of very rapid movements in that film, such as Greer turning his head at super human speeds, and Connaly ending up in his wife's lap in a fraction of a second.

David,

I have spent today looking at the film image you posted on reply 68 with the ever so helpful comment "(And don't tell me you can't see it here, James. It's quite visible.)"

What you do appear not to have done, is to have analysed the imagery you present as proof of your position. I see you have yet to respond why the Z224 frame in your original gif has a white out half way through the frame. There is your answer as to why you see an anomaly that suggests you you that Connally has been struck.

But back to the film image you posted on reply 68.

Frame 224 is a reasonably clear frame.

Frame 225 is also a reasonably clear frame. That said - and I will return to this point - when 225 is run after 224 there is a clear suggestion that Connally's left shoulder rises.

Frame 226 is a reasonably blurred frame.

Frame 227 is a very blurred frame

Frame 228 is a reasonably blurred frame.

There is a serious problem here. You are suggesting that these frames - especially from 225 to 228 - demonstrate that Connally has been struck and is reacting to that. I agree something extremely strange is going on - but what is causing this reaction is very blurred frames being run one after the other. It is the consequence of the blurred frames that suggest Connally is wounded. It is not Connally, because basically in these frames it is impossible to see him clearly or indeed what he is doing.

Now 224 into 225 really did puzzle me. To be fair I did wonder if indeed we were seeing a reaction by Connally. And the truth is that you are seeing a reaction by John Connally between these two frames. Between 224 and 225 Connally turns around 20º to his left. That is what you are seeing. The change in the left shoulder - is not a reaction to the bullet - it is a movement by Connally to his left and a change in the position of Connally's shoulder. It may look like Connally's left shoulder is flinching, but actually it is being turned to Connally's left as he is turning his body left.

As I pointed out to you in an earlier post - and you did agree with me - between 224 and 230 John Connally is turning his body to his left. What allows you to think that Connally has been injured in these frames is:-

a) that 20º turn between 224 and 225

the total blurred distortion in frames 226 - 228

That is why it is being suggested that Connally has been wounded, when actually Connally is turning to his left.

I hope tomorrow to demonstrate this with the imagery.

James.

Wow, James, good work. Something puzzles me, though. Is the human body capable of making a 20° turn in 1/18th of a second?

Cross section of human neck showing cervical vertebra.

Cervical vertebrae, anterior view,

Cervical vertebrae, posterior view. Thoracic vertebra T1 seen below C7.

Cervical vertebrae, posterior view.

Cross section of human neck at cervical vertebra C7.

Boy, I sure got him in a panic, and I haven't even started yet! LOL!

I liked the first title better.

I have read DVP's propaganda long enough. Watch this thread closely, as I intend, over the next few days (if it takes all summer, General!), to show DVP that it was physically impossible for a bullet to travel through JFK, as described by the WC, and strike Connally in the right armpit.

Once again:

Did the bullet pass to the right of the tip of the right transverse process of JFK's C7 cervical vertebra?

I haven't the slightest idea.

(Happy now?)

Oh, I think you know the answer as well as I do. In fact, I've seen you discuss this several times. No matter, the whupping begins with or without your cooperation.

You know I'm going to tear the SBT to pieces in a few minutes, even if you don't answer the question, so be a good lad and play along, eh?

That is not an answer. Once again:

Did the bullet pass to the right of the tip of the right transverse process of JFK's C7 cervical vertebra?

I don't believe Davey wants to answer my question. Pity....

No answer, Dave?

Her being on Elm, near the sign, is more believable, as she testifies to being here to the WC. However, other than that, it is a good question.

Yes, the running woman cannot be Calvary. She is still running as the "Lovelady" figure is seen talking to the person just below him.

Dave

I know you don't like me asking you questions you have difficulty answering, or that lead to topics you are uncomfortable with but, here it is again:

Did the bullet pass to the right of the tip of the right transverse process of JFK's C7 cervical vertebra?

Dave?

DVP

Did the bullet pass to the right of the tip of the right transverse process of JFK's C7 cervical vertebra?

Who actually identified this woman seen in Darnell as Gloria Calvary?

DVP logic:

Kellerman had to be mistaken about hearing JFK say he was hit because, if he did have a throat wound at this point, he could not have said these words and the SBT would be a lie therefore; he had to be mistaken about hearing JFK say he was hit.

It's so simple, I can't see why we don't all see it.