Robert Prudhomme

Darn. I was afraid of that. I'll see if I can find where I saw that gif. Sorry about that.

Here is what is likely the best gif ever made of the Couch film. Baker's motorcycle can clearly be seen, and Baker running to the TSBD is also very clear.

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It is a bit tricky to get to this gif. I found I had to c/p this title and enter it as an address.

If we ignore Baker for a second, and look only at the steps of the TSBD, we can see a man near the foot of the steps who turns around as Baker runs by. This may very well be Truly, as he is wearing a dark fedora.

More interesting, though, is if we look at the steps, just up from where we see Truly. There is a man who looks very much like Lovelady, and he is bent over speaking to what appears to be a lady in a dark top and a light coloured skirt.

Does she sound familiar? No? Who did Lovelady claim returned to the steps with news of the assassination, before he and Shelley made their way to the rail yard?

If you guessed Gloria Calvary, you're right! Now, how did she get to the steps before Baker, considering she was standing down by the Stemmons Freeway sign?

A more likely location to find Truly and Campbell was directly below the traffic light, seen in this still from the Couch film below:

Baker's motorcycle can be seen parked at the left of the photo, approximately 45 feet from the front steps of the TSBD. This would place Truly and Campbell about 30 feet from the steps.

We get a slightly earlier view of this scene in this still from the Wiegman film:

Interestingly, we see only one man wearing a fedora by the traffic light. Considering this man is wearing a light coloured fedora, and Truly's fedora was dark, we have to assume this man to be none other than Ochus V. Campbell. Where is Truly? Has he already headed back inside the TSBD?

That is the whole point, Thomas. If Ms. Adams testified she was stopped, by a policeman in the rail yard, it could not have been Barnett.

Now, read this excerpt from Ms. Adams' WC testimony:

"Mr. BELIN - East is here. East is towards Houston, and west is towards the railroad tracks. You went east or west? Towards the railroad tracks or towards Houston Street?

Miss ADAMS - I went west towards the tracks.

Mr. BELIN - How far west did you go?

Miss ADAMS - I went approximately 2 yards within the tracks and there was an officer standing there, and he said, "Get back to the building." And I said, "But I work here."

And he said, "That is tough, get back." I said, "Well, was the President shot?" And he said, "I don't know. Go back." And I said, "All right."

Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do?

Miss ADAMS - I went back, only I went southwest."

Notice she says the officer told her to get "back to" the building and not "inside" the building? This is merely another uninformed assumption on Mr. Weston's part.

As there were no office buildings other than the TSBD adjacent to the rail yard, it is understandable for the officer to assume Ms. Adams had come from the TSBD. Or, thinking the assassin was in the rail yard, the police may have decided the area around the TSBD was safer than the rail yard, and were directing everyone back to there.

So what's your final, bottom line take on all this, Robert? Was it Baker or Barnett running towards the TSBD in Darnell/Couch? Or neither?

Hmmmm?

OK then. What's your most current tentative conclusion?

--Tommy

It's a bit early to begin drawing conclusions, Thomas. In this case, it's more a matter of continuing to eliminate the impossible, and seeing what remains after we are finished.

Barnett cannot be the cop we see running in the films as, by his own testimony, he was assigned to crowd control at Elm and Houston.

Going over the story of Romack again, and his testimony, several more problems arise. By his own testimony, he was 100-125 yards from the NE corner (rear) of the TSBD and walking toward the TSBD at the time of the shooting. Here is his testimony describing his actions, following the shots:

"Mr. BELIN. Well, you heard the shots, and then what did you do?

Mr. ROMACK. Well, I knew something was wrong. I mean, I could sense that with in my own self.

Mr. BELIN. All right.

Mr. ROMACK. And I looked up and I felt kind of chilly looking down towards the which I am facing the Houston entrance, and I looked down toward where all the people were standing along, the motorcade was passing by, and just immediately after I heard the shots, I saw a policeman running north towards me. He was running to look to see if somebody was running out of the back of this building.

Mr. BELIN. What building?

Mr. ROMACK. Texas School Book Depository Building. And he didn't stay but just, oh, he was just there to check and he runs back.

Well, sensing that something is wrong, I automatically take over watching the building for the man.

Mr. BELIN. What part of the building were you watching?

Mr. ROMACK. The back."

Further testimony from Romack:

"Mr. BELIN. How long did you stay after that watching that back door?

Mr. ROMACK. Well, we were all there watching it then.

Mr. BELIN. How long a period of time?

Mr. ROMACK. Pardon?

Mr. BELIN. Did you see a policeman go up there?

Mr. ROMACK. I saw policemen up in there. I didn't see anyone come up the back. They came in the front, all---most of them.

Mr. BELIN. Did you see any employees walk up the back way?

Mr. ROMACK. There was two other gentlemen which I never said anything.

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about, that taken over. They were FBI or something standing right here at the very entrance, and just stood there.

Mr. BELIN. You are pointing again to the back stairway that leads up from the street to the dock on the north side of the building?

Mr. ROMACK. Right.

Mr. BELIN. See anyone else?

Mr. ROMACK. No, sir; other than all the motorcycle officers and squad cars. They started coming in, I would say, in 4 minutes from the time that this happened. They were swarming the building, which naturally. I quit watching anything particular.

Mr. BELIN. In other words, about 4 minutes after the shots came you quit watching it? Would that be accurate, or not?

Mr. ROMACK. Well, I would say somewhere in the neighborhood of 5 minutes, 4 or 5 minutes. That would probably be true. I stayed there, but I wasn't particularly watching.

Mr. BELIN. In other words, then as I understand your testimony, you said that from about the time of the shots until about 5 minutes after the shots, you watched the back door of the building?

Mr. ROMACK. Right."

Next, here is Barnett's testimony:

"Mr. LIEBELER - What did you do when you concluded that the shots were coming from that building?

Mr. BARNETT - I ran to the back of the building.

Mr. LIEBELER - Ran down Houston Street?

Mr. BARNETT - Yes, sir.

Mr. LIEBELER - There is a door in the back of the Texas School Book Depository. Does it face on Houston or around the corner?

Mr. BARNETT - It is around the corner from Houston Street.

Mr. LIEBELER - Did you go in the building?

Mr. BARNETT - No, sir; I didn't get close to it, because I was watching for a fire escape. If the man was on top, he would have to come down, and I was looking for a fire escape, and I didn't pay much attention to the door. I was still watching the top of the building, and so far as I could see, the fire escape on the east side was the only escape down.

Mr. LIEBELER - Since you surmised that the shots had come from the building, you looked up and you didn't see any windows open. You thought they had been fired from the top of the building?

Mr. BARNETT - That's right.

Mr. LIEBELER - So you ran around here on Houston Street immediately to the east of the Texas School Book Depository Building and watched the fire escape?

Mr. BARNETT - I went 20 foot past the building still on Houston, looking up. I could see the whole back of the building and also the east side of the building.

Mr. LIEBELER - Did you see anybody coming off the fire escape up there, or any movement on top of the building?

Mr. BARNETT - Not a thing.

Mr. LIEBELER - What did you do after you went around behind the building?

Mr. BARNETT - I went looked behind the building and I saw officers searching the railroad cars. I looked around in front towards the front of the building and I saw officers going west.

Mr. LIEBELER - Going west down the little street there in front of the School Book Depository Building?

Mr. BARNETT - Yes; but there was no sign they were going into the building or watching the building, so I decided I was the only one watching the building. So since this was the only fire escape and there were officers down here watching the this back door, I returned back around to the front to watch the front of the building and the fire escape. Then I decided maybe I had been wrong, so I saw the officers down here searching."

Officer Barnett is a little hard to follow but, his last utterance definitely tells us there were "officers down here watching the this back door". How these officers got to the back of the TSBD so quickly is a bit of a mystery, but Barnett gives us a clue a little further back in his testimony. "I went looked behind the building and I saw officers searching the railroad cars." Once again, we have a slight timing problem. If Barnett made a mad dash for the back of the TSBD IMMEDIATELY after the third shot, how could there already be officers searching rail cars by the time he got to the back of the TSBD? It is possible Barnett got to the back of the TSBD somewhat later than he claimed, and this may be the very reason he did not see Styles and Adams exiting the rear of the TSBD.

However, getting back to Romack, we now have another timing problem. By his own testimony, Romack was 100-125 yards from the rear of the TSBD at the time of the third shot, and walking toward the TSBD. He claimed to see Barnett run to the back of the building, and then run back to the front of the building. It is a little hard to believe Barnett would not spend at least 30 seconds at the rear of the TSBD before returning to Elm St. How long did it take Romack to cover the 100 yards to the TSBD, from where he heard the shots? At a brisk walk, it should take a 39 year old man no more than 30 seconds to cover this distance on flat ground. How could Romack arrive at the rear entrance after Barnett left?

Now, if we consider again that the rapid Barnett viewed officers searching rail cars immediately upon his arrival at the rear of the TSBD, I believe it safe to assume both Barnett and Romack heavily embellished the truth about their actions that day.

P.S.

Romack makes no mention of Styles and Adams or the officers Barnett claimed were watching the rear door.

"And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

As I said, where did the hair go?

Does no one else notice a distinct horizontal boundary in the BOH photo? About level with the top of his right ear, we see wet one inch long hair above this boundary, and what appears to be some kind of weird fuzz below it.

This photo is as fake as the back yard photos.

P.S.

John "the researcher" Mytton's comical "3D" display only makes the fakery easier to see.

One question about the BOH photo.

Where did JFK's long hair go?

John Mytton is a buffoon.

That is the whole point, Thomas. If Ms. Adams testified she was stopped, by a policeman in the rail yard, it could not have been Barnett.

Now, read this excerpt from Ms. Adams' WC testimony:

"Mr. BELIN - East is here. East is towards Houston, and west is towards the railroad tracks. You went east or west? Towards the railroad tracks or towards Houston Street?

Miss ADAMS - I went west towards the tracks.
Mr. BELIN - How far west did you go?
Miss ADAMS - I went approximately 2 yards within the tracks and there was an officer standing there, and he said, "Get back to the building." And I said, "But I work here."
And he said, "That is tough, get back." I said, "Well, was the President shot?" And he said, "I don't know. Go back." And I said, "All right."
Mr. BELIN - Then what did you do?
Miss ADAMS - I went back, only I went southwest."

Notice she says the officer told her to get "back to" the building and not "inside" the building? This is merely another uninformed assumption on Mr. Weston's part.

As there were no office buildings other than the TSBD adjacent to the rail yard, it is understandable for the officer to assume Ms. Adams had come from the TSBD. Or, thinking the assassin was in the rail yard, the police may have decided the area around the TSBD was safer than the rail yard, and were directing everyone back to there.

"Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles had been on the fourth floor, watching the parade from one of the windows.10 They heard gunfire as JFK's car disappeared behind a tree. To learn what happened, they ran down the back stairs and went out the back door. Adams estimated that she and her friend were going outside about a minute after the shooting. They were stopped by a policeman. "Get back into the building," he said.

"But I work here," Adams pleaded.

"That is tough, get back."

William Weston is not a very thorough researcher, and if he had taken the time to read Victoria Adams' testimony, he would know that, according to Ms. Adams, the incident with the officer took place down at the rail yard, and not at the rear door of the TSBD.

Here is the full text from Weston, in which we can see how he attempted to connect Barnett to Adams and Styles:

"Victoria Adams and Sandra Styles had been on the fourth floor, watching the parade from one of the windows.10 They heard gunfire as JFK's car disappeared behind a tree. To learn what happened, they ran down the back stairs and went out the back door. Adams estimated that she and her friend were going outside about a minute after the shooting. They were stopped by a policeman. "Get back into the building," he said.

"But I work here," Adams pleaded.

"That is tough, get back."

"Well, was the president shot?"

"I don't know. Go back."

The two women obeyed, yet they complied not by returning the way they came, but rather by going all the way around the west side to reenter the TSBD through the front entrance--talking to people along the way. Technically, they were disregarding the instructions of a police officer, and Barnett should have stopped them, but he must have had too many other things on his mind than to chase two young ladies determined to satisfy their curiosity. His main worry was the front entrance. As he looked in that direction, he saw police officers and sheriff's deputies all running towards the Triple Underpass. No one seemed to realize that shots came from the building itself, putting Barnett in a quandary. Should he stay in place and hope that another officer would do likewise at the front door? Or should he, Barnett, go to the front door and alert someone to take his vacated back door spot? He decided on the latter and ran toward the front of the building."

Rule Brittania, Brittania rules the waves.....

Sometimes it's "Brittania waives the rules...", Bob

Something else I find a bit odd. Roy Truly was a fairly short man. We know this because, in his testimony, he stated that some of the coloured boys were having trouble seeing over the crowd, due to them being very short. He then stated he wasn't doing much better in that department himself.

If we compare Baker to Truly, we see he is not much taller and, in other photos, Baker can be seen to be quite chunky with a double chin.

Can this be the tall lanky cop we see running in the Couch film?

Rule Brittania, Brittania rules the waves.....

Hi Bob

Imagination, plus Truly's testimony, Baker's testimony, Oswald's reported comments and from what we can see on Weigman.

Do you think that is not Truly in Weigman? The man is standing where Truly (and others) said he stood and he does what Truly said he did (mostly) and he has a Truly-like look about him. How can he not be Truly?

So, Bob, how are you going to get those 2 gents, Baker and Truly, into the TSBD as per their testimonies and from what we can see in Weigman. Did they do a lap of the TSBD and come back in the front door?

Tell me where you see Truly in the Wiegman film.

We in Canada are a sort of cross between the King's English and that "rebel slang" from just south of us. We still spell words with an "ou", such as "colour" and "flavour", and most of us can still remember to type "centre" instead of "center", but most of us fell prey decades ago to the American habit of using a "z" instead of an "s" in words such as "realize" and "criticize". I've noticed, though, that Australians and New Zealanders are strict adherents to the British rules, and drink "draught" beer instead of "draft" beer.

I think I may have made a mistake about where Baker parked his motorcycle. I assumed he had parked it on the Elm St. extension, in front of the TSBD, but, looking at Don Roberdeau's map, it seems he may have parked it on Elm St. itself, right where the sidewalk begins after the little concrete island.

The reason for this is simple, and also explains why he did not ride past Elm St. down Houston St., if that was his intended destination.

There would have been a solid line of bystanders blocking access to Houston St. and the Elm St. extension. The spot he chose was the first piece of curb (kerb, as my friend Ray would spell it) he had access to without having to ride through a line of onlookers.

I think I may have made a mistake about where Baker parked his motorcycle. I assumed he had parked it on the Elm St. extension, in front of the TSBD, but, looking at Don Roberdeau's map, it seems he may have parked it on Elm St. itself, right where the sidewalk begins after the little concrete island.

The reason for this is simple, and also explains why he did not ride past Elm St. down Houston St., if that was his intended destination.

There would have been a solid line of bystanders blocking access to Houston St. and the Elm St. extension. The spot he chose was the first piece of curb (kerb, as my friend Ray would spell it) he had access to without having to ride through a line of onlookers.

Hi Bob

But that still leaves us with the problem of Truly. He testified he ran up the steps behind Baker. We can see in Weigman that Truly turns and goes after Baker towards the TSBD steps. In your scenario if Baker ran around the side of the TSBD and got in by the back entrance did Truly run after him all that way?

Baker is not even seen running up the Elm St. extension until the camera cars come to a stop on the corner, as seen in the Couch film, In the Wiegman film the press car, a 1960 Chevrolet, can still be seen in motion going around the corner. The camera cars have not made it to the corner yet.

Truly testified to several things, and I will be examining them in detail in the thread on Baker. I can see Truly turn at the approach of Baker in the Couch film, i that is indeed Truly, but it requires imagination to state that Truly followed Baker up the stairs.

I'm sure Wade and the boys would have wrung a "confession" out of LHO eventually.

"As a devout reader of your posts I was certain you had it all calculated down to the size of a gnat's arse...but I wanted to be sure that both angles were measured relative to the same reference plane."

LOL With colourful language like that, you would have made a good logger.

I think I may have made a mistake about where Baker parked his motorcycle. I assumed he had parked it on the Elm St. extension, in front of the TSBD, but, looking at Don Roberdeau's map, it seems he may have parked it on Elm St. itself, right where the sidewalk begins after the little concrete island.

The reason for this is simple, and also explains why he did not ride past Elm St. down Houston St., if that was his intended destination.

There would have been a solid line of bystanders blocking access to Houston St. and the Elm St. extension. The spot he chose was the first piece of curb (kerb, as my friend Ray would spell it) he had access to without having to ride through a line of onlookers.

First, we should establish exactly where Roy Truly was during the shooting. Truly testified that he was on the little concrete island, directly in front of the TSBD steps, and on the other side of the Elm St. extension.

I consulted Don Roberdeau's Dealey Plaza map, and found he had located them in this precise position. He and his boss Ochus Campbell are identified by Roberdeau as standing one person to the west of "stetson hat man".

Can this possibly be Roy Truly, as seen on our right, and Ochus Campbell to our left of him? They hardly seem dressed like management, especially when you consider these photos of Roy Truly, in suit, tie and fedora, were supposedly taken later on that day on the main floor of the TSBD.

Is Roberdeau correct? Are the two fellows who are dressed like tradesmen really manager Roy Truly and his boss, Ochus Campbell?

To the best of my knowledge, only three witnesses saw Officer Marion Baker run up the front steps of the TSBD, and only one of these witnesses actually testified to seeing Baker enter the front door of the TSBD. The two witnesses who only saw Baker ascend the steps were Billy Lovelady and Bill Shelley, while their boss, Roy Samson Truly, actually testified to seeing Baker enter the front door.

As Truly then is the only witness to recall seeing a white helmeted motorcycle cop enter the front of the TSBD, perhaps it is time I give Shelley and Lovelady a rest, and concentrate on Roy Truly for a bit. Analysis of photos, timing and testimony to begin tomorrow.

The 23° angle, from right to left through JFK's neck, is measured from a line running lengthwise through the limo at z224, and assumes JFK to be facing forward at the moment the Magic Bullet was fired, with a 5° allowance for the possibility JFK may have been turned 5° to his right.

Arriving at the figure of 23° (actually closer to 28° if JFK's shoulders and head were perpendicular to the limo centre line) required careful study and measurement of many anatomical cross sectional diagrams of the human neck at cervical vertebra C7. These diagrams were drawn after careful study and measurement of many CAT scans of the human neck and, using these diagrams, I feel the accuracy of my measurements to be within at least a couple of degrees. Considering the vast difference between 9° and 23-28°, I would say there is room for a very broad margin of error here.

I should point out that, according to the WCR, the Magic Bullet passed to the outside of the extreme right tip of the C7 right transverse process, yet passed over and grazed the upper surface of the right transverse process of thoracic vertebra T1, directly below C7. This ties the WC into one precise location for the entrance wound, plus the path of the bullet. The passing of the bullet through the extreme right side of JFK's trachea, also noted by the WCR, completes the picture and allows us to draw a very precise track of the bullet.

As in most cases, the WCR's own evidence is the WCR's worst enemy.

If Baker was going up the front steps of the TSBD, why did he park his motorcycle 45 feet down the Elm St. extension? Why not park right at the steps?

One more time, for the literacy challenged among us, how did the bullet get through JFK's neck without hitting any vertebrae?

You know it couldn't have happened, I know it couldn't have happened, everybody else knows it couldn't have happened. That makes it u-nan-i-mous.

Give up. Go back to selling used cars.