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When you can't beat'em use a smiley face!
Your own words were enough. The smiley face was just the cherry on top.
Thanks.
Yes they were enough to show that your question was meritless which is why you are unable to show I was wrong.
It was your words that proved you wrong.
Point out any examples where I used “Jews” when Pastore and Fetzer weren’t clearly talking about Jews even if they used the word “Zionists”.
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When you can't beat'em use a smiley face!
Your own words were enough. The smiley face was just the cherry on top.
Thanks.
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One has to include in the picture wealth distribution, 'money' flow, market imbalance and also consider the necessity of imbalances to a capitalist economy. Nationalism serves usually the purpose of justifying division amongst the worlds wage slaves, prepping them for their masters wars that serve the purpose of destroying markets and rebuilding them, destroying infrastructure, disposing of excess labour and so on to keep market growth happening. At the moment markets are created that often are artificial such as the latest gadget and speculative formats that really have no real value .
Another factor is that a large underemployed section is more likely to scramble for economic viability, so these are merely symptoms of a repetitive cycle that capitalism must by its nature go through, ultimately it is also that which will bring about its downfall same as the first capitalist revolution in england ushered in the dictatorship of the bourgeisie and brought and end to feudalism there and kick started the industrial revolution.
Without the production of real physical wealth, there is no wealth. This includes modern infrastructure. Monetary values, financial values are all based on the production of physical wealth. Without the production of physical wealth all these financial numbers are fictitious. The quadrillion dollar derivatives market for example is completely fake, it's not real. The take down of our industrial centers in the United States since the assassination of President Kennedy has led to national bankruptcy.
$1 billion from the sale of derivatives contracts for example is not = $1 billion from steel production for example.
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Perhaps I could have been clearer but the post was aimed at Duane and anyone else following the thread, not someone who popped in because they’d seen that I had posted to see if they could find an error. Even so it should have clear from context that I believed Williams was guilty and killed the couple, thus I was being sarcastic when said “But apparently they never called the police to report having been robbed.”
His storey, which is so absurd only Duane could believe it, would entail them returning home alone (and presumably penniless) without calling the police, friends or family (and being murdered by someone else) after being robbed of car and cash cards by Williams.
Your question “If the defendant murdered the victims before they could report the crime then why not state that?” made little sense because I had written, “So yes they were murdered for a reason Scotland Williams wanted their money” and no one suggested he robbed them then came back later and killed them.
In the ended you helped make my point that the scenario Williams and his lawyer proposed is not plausible, I think Duane and perhaps his mom were the only people to buy it.
Your statement didnt make any sense to me, so that's why I asked.
Though perhaps I should have made clear I was being sarcastic you only got confused because you had not read the earlier posts and didn’t pay enough attention to the one you were replying to.
But thanks again for making my point, its probably due to you that Duane dropped pushing the nonsense about Trias.
Your sentence was jibberish and the fault is all yours. There is no indication you were using sarcasm. In fact you were not. You lacked care in your choice of words and therefore implied something you didnt intend to say.
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Ventura is a proponent of "self promotion".
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Point out any examples where I used “Jews” when Pastore and Fetzer weren’t clearly talking about Jews even if they used the word “Zionists”.
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I saw a documentary on BBC this week on the decline of Gary, Indiana. I was amazed by the way that this place had been destroyed by the recession.
Gary was destroyed LONG before the current economic downturn. It's been a dump for decades.
Intentional policy too, I might add. The same with Detroit and all the other "former" industrial centers in the USA.
Actually it's a form of warfare against the United States.
Sheesh.....
Awful isnt it? I am surprised you didnt attribute this contraction to "s-it happens".
Please do tell what you know about the dynamic driving our economy these past 40 years.
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Do you agree with Pastore that
- the Nazi's discrimination against Jews and invasions of their neighbors were justified?
- Jews were responsible for WWII?
Simple yes's or no's will suffice
I agree with Len. I think this questions should be answered.
Martin
He certainly should but almost certainly won't because he probablly realized there is no good answer and that the best tactic is to ignore it and hope people forget about it. Criticizing Israel and Zionists is one thing but pushing Antisemitism and justifying the acts of the Nazia are beyond the pale. Remembering Joseph Welch's rhetorical question to McCarthy, Fetzer has "no sense of decency".
Len,
In your criticism of Fetzer how many times did you take the word "Zionist" and replace it with "Jew"? I counted you doing this more than once.
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I saw a documentary on BBC this week on the decline of Gary, Indiana. I was amazed by the way that this place had been destroyed by the recession.
Gary was destroyed LONG before the current economic downturn. It's been a dump for decades.
Intentional policy too, I might add. The same with Detroit and all the other "former" industrial centers in the USA.
Actually it's a form of warfare against the United States.
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Re read my post genius.
Furthermore why would the victims not report their car and bank cards being stolen? If the defendant murdered the victims before they could report the crime then why not state that?
Here is what you wrote. Typical jibberish.
He admitted to forcing them to give him their bank cards and PIN numbers then using the cards and stealing their car. But apparently they never called the police to report having been robbed.
Now I could take your approach and ask: "How big a dim wit are you? How can dead people report their own murder"?
Perhaps I could have been clearer but the post was aimed at Duane and anyone else following the thread, not someone who popped in because they’d seen that I had posted to see if they could find an error. Even so it should have clear from context that I believed Williams was guilty and killed the couple, thus I was being sarcastic when said “But apparently they never called the police to report having been robbed.”
His storey, which is so absurd only Duane could believe it, would entail them returning home alone (and presumably penniless) without calling the police, friends or family (and being murdered by someone else) after being robbed of car and cash cards by Williams.
Your question “If the defendant murdered the victims before they could report the crime then why not state that?” made little sense because I had written, “So yes they were murdered for a reason Scotland Williams wanted their money” and no one suggested he robbed them then came back later and killed them.
In the ended you helped make my point that the scenario Williams and his lawyer proposed is not plausible, I think Duane and perhaps his mom were the only people to buy it.
Your statement didnt make any sense to me, so that's why I asked.
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Re read my post genius.
Furthermore why would the victims not report their car and bank cards being stolen?
Because they were dead!
If the defendant murdered the victims before they could report the crime then why not state that?
Really? Are you asking why the defendant didn't admit to murder?
No I was asking Len why he formulated his words in such a way as to cause confusion. The question was directed at Len and had nothing to do with anything the defendant did or didnt do.
And I see you "split" my question into two seperate parts to alter it's meaning. Here is what I wrote. Maybe it will clear up your confusion
Furthermore why would the victims not report their car and bank cards being stolen? If the defendant murdered the victims before they could report the crime then why not state that?
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Can anyone document this repeated assertion that the US shut down 42,000 factores in this decade? That seems unbelieveable, since 30,000 factories times 500 workers equals 15,000,000 workers, which seems impossible. It could be many of these factories had much less employees, like small machine shops.
http://www.economyincrisis.org/content/america-worlds-first-post-industrial-state
“All great economic empires eventually become fat and lazy and squander the great wealth that their forefathers have left them, but the pace at which America is accomplishing this is absolutely amazing,” he writes.
To illustrate his point, Snyder presents a whole host of facts “that will make you weep.”
For instance, since 2001, America has lost 42,200 factories. Roughly 75 percent of those factories employed over 500 workers.
“We are witnessing the deindustrialization of America,” he writes. “Tens of thousands of factories have left the United States in the past decade alone. Millions upon millions of manufacturing jobs have been lost in the same time period.”
In fact, the nation has lost 32 percent of its manufacturing jobs since 2000. That puts the number of American workers in the manufacturing sector at under 12 million for the first time since 1941.
http://www.businessinsider.com/24-statistics-about-the-united-states-economy-that-are-almo st-too-embarrassing-to-admit-2010-10
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Anytime Colby comes up with "evidence" attempting to prove me wrong, it's best to do some checking to see if it's really true or not.
Jose Trias was on a list of murdered micro biologists .. It was never mentioned on that list that he was not a scientist, but rather a lawyer who obviously knew too much about top secret programs and allegeldy decided to share that information with a "friend" the day before he and his wife were brutally murdered.
The fact that your sources research was so poor he did not know what Trias' profession was shows him not to be credible.
Then Colby decided to make the Trias murders appear to be just a run of the mill armed robbery, with a suspect already proven guilty .. NOT TRUE, as proven by the information he decided not to post here.Double-murder conviction of Arnold man is overturned New trial ordered in deaths of lawyers
July 31, 1996|By Scott Wilson | Scott Wilson,SUN STAFF
The Maryland Court of Appeals overturned yesterday the double-murder conviction of Scotland E. Williams, ordering a new trial for the condemned Arnold man in the May 1994 slayings of two prominent Washington lawyers.
The state's highest court ruled unanimously that Williams was unfairly convicted last year on charges that he murdered Jose Trias and his wife, Julie Gilbert. The two were found dead in their Annapolis weekend home, hand-cuffed and shot in the head.
"Mr. Williams is once again presumed to be innocent," said Michael Braudes, a public defender who argued the Williams case before the Court of Appeals.
"NEWS
Son said he had slaying victims' bank cards, mother testifies Williams being retried in 1994 double slaying
By Andrea F. Siegel | Andrea F. Siegel,SUN STAFF | May 14, 1998
Scotland E. Williams, accused in a double killing, told his mother he had bank cards belonging to the victims a day or so after their bodies were discovered, the woman testified yesterday. Rosezelma J. Williams told an Anne Arundel Circuit Court jury that her son, who was staying at her Arnold home, also said he had gotten a car from "a parking lot or something" and taken it to Baltimore.Prosecutors are trying to show that the automated teller machine cards belonged to Jose E. Trias, 49, and Julie Noel Gilbert, 48, lawyers who were found dead May 16, 1994, in their weekend home in Winchester on the Severn.
Much more here...
I was unaware of the conviction had been overturned. The decion was based on technicalities, Duane omitted the following from the 1st linked article:
The appeals courtruled that Anne Arundel Circuit Judge Eugene M. Lerner made three crucial mistakes during the trial:He did not allow defense attorneys enough latitude in challenging the credibility of DNA evidence.He allowed prosecutors to question a defense witness about his juvenile crime record.He should not have allowed the prosecution to admit a pry bar and a can of Mace into evidence.He was later found guilty again and that conviction withstood appeal:
An appeals court panel upheld yesterday the murder convictions and life without parole sentences of Scotland E. Williams, who was convicted of killing two lawyers in their waterfront retreat outside Annapolis in 1994.Anne Arundel County prosecutors, who had retried the high-profile case in which they had initially won the death penalty only to lose it on retrial, said they were pleased with the Court of Special Appeals opinion, which was not unanimous.Williams was convicted of fatally shooting and robbing Washington- area lawyers Jose E. Trias, 49, and Julie N. Gilbert, 48, his wife, in what police suspected was one of several burglaries Williams committed in the area around their Severn River-front home. He received two sentences of life without parole plus 70 years.He admitted to forcing them to give him their bank cards and PIN numbers then using the cards and stealing their car. But apparently they never called the police to report having been robbed.
And there was more evidence:
County police Detective Ed Stratton first recognized [scotland E. Williams] on a wanted poster, which police made from the bank surveillance video. After the suspect was arrested, Stratton discovered a key piece of evidence.He had obtained - and kept - a photocopy of Williams' shoe print after arresting him in a earlier burglary. It turned out that that shoe print matched one found in the victims' kitchen."We happened to be talking about [the shoe print in the kitchen]. Stratton went out to the trunk of his car and came back with the photocopy 30 seconds later," said [Jeff Cover], who described Stratton as the behind-the-scenes star of the case."So yes they were murdered for a reason Scotland Williams wanted their money.
These are some technicalities! That's funny, "technicalities"
I was unaware of the conviction had been overturned. The decion was based on technicalities, Duane omitted the following from the 1st linked article:
The appeals courtruled that Anne Arundel Circuit Judge Eugene M. Lerner made three crucial mistakes during the trial:
He did not allow defense attorneys enough latitude in challenging the credibility of DNA evidence.
He allowed prosecutors to question a defense witness about his juvenile crime record.
He should not have allowed the prosecution to admit a pry bar and a can of Mace into evidence
Then you write:
He admitted to forcing them to give him their bank cards and PIN numbers then using the cards and stealing their car. But apparently they never called the police to report having been robbed
The robbery victims "never" called the police to report their automobile, and bank cards stolen?! Is that what youre saying? I wonder why the defendant admitted to a crime never reported? Was he represented by an attorney? You have to wonder why a defendant would confess to a crime that was never reported by the victims. Furthermore why would the victims not report their car and bank cards being stolen? If the defendant murdered the victims before they could report the crime then why not state that?
Otherwise does this seem like reasonable behavior to you?
Just how dim are you? They were murdered, he killed them. Obviously some else reported the crime, obviously no one reports their own murder.
William's story is not only contradicted by the forensic evidence it makes sense he would have you believe he stole their car from a parking lot (which he seemingly could not remember the location of) and their bank cards and forced them to give him their PIN #'s and then they went home with out calling the police or anyone else (and presumably no money)and were killed there by someone else.
As for the 1st technicality, it is now moot it was one of the 1st cases where mitochondrial DNA was used, at the time the defense claimed it was controversial it is now now widely accepted.
Re read my post genius.
Furthermore why would the victims not report their car and bank cards being stolen? If the defendant murdered the victims before they could report the crime then why not state that?
Here is what you wrote. Typical jibberish.
He admitted to forcing them to give him their bank cards and PIN numbers then using the cards and stealing their car. But apparently they never called the police to report having been robbed.
Now I could take your approach and ask: "How big a dim wit are you? How can dead people report their own murder"?
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Anytime Colby comes up with "evidence" attempting to prove me wrong, it's best to do some checking to see if it's really true or not.
Jose Trias was on a list of murdered micro biologists .. It was never mentioned on that list that he was not a scientist, but rather a lawyer who obviously knew too much about top secret programs and allegeldy decided to share that information with a "friend" the day before he and his wife were brutally murdered.
The fact that your sources research was so poor he did not know what Trias' profession was shows him not to be credible.
Then Colby decided to make the Trias murders appear to be just a run of the mill armed robbery, with a suspect already proven guilty .. NOT TRUE, as proven by the information he decided not to post here.Double-murder conviction of Arnold man is overturned New trial ordered in deaths of lawyers
July 31, 1996|By Scott Wilson | Scott Wilson,SUN STAFF
The Maryland Court of Appeals overturned yesterday the double-murder conviction of Scotland E. Williams, ordering a new trial for the condemned Arnold man in the May 1994 slayings of two prominent Washington lawyers.
The state's highest court ruled unanimously that Williams was unfairly convicted last year on charges that he murdered Jose Trias and his wife, Julie Gilbert. The two were found dead in their Annapolis weekend home, hand-cuffed and shot in the head.
"Mr. Williams is once again presumed to be innocent," said Michael Braudes, a public defender who argued the Williams case before the Court of Appeals.
"NEWS
Son said he had slaying victims' bank cards, mother testifies Williams being retried in 1994 double slaying
By Andrea F. Siegel | Andrea F. Siegel,SUN STAFF | May 14, 1998
Scotland E. Williams, accused in a double killing, told his mother he had bank cards belonging to the victims a day or so after their bodies were discovered, the woman testified yesterday. Rosezelma J. Williams told an Anne Arundel Circuit Court jury that her son, who was staying at her Arnold home, also said he had gotten a car from "a parking lot or something" and taken it to Baltimore.Prosecutors are trying to show that the automated teller machine cards belonged to Jose E. Trias, 49, and Julie Noel Gilbert, 48, lawyers who were found dead May 16, 1994, in their weekend home in Winchester on the Severn.
Much more here...
I was unaware of the conviction had been overturned. The decion was based on technicalities, Duane omitted the following from the 1st linked article:
The appeals courtruled that Anne Arundel Circuit Judge Eugene M. Lerner made three crucial mistakes during the trial:He did not allow defense attorneys enough latitude in challenging the credibility of DNA evidence.He allowed prosecutors to question a defense witness about his juvenile crime record.He should not have allowed the prosecution to admit a pry bar and a can of Mace into evidence.He was later found guilty again and that conviction withstood appeal:
An appeals court panel upheld yesterday the murder convictions and life without parole sentences of Scotland E. Williams, who was convicted of killing two lawyers in their waterfront retreat outside Annapolis in 1994.Anne Arundel County prosecutors, who had retried the high-profile case in which they had initially won the death penalty only to lose it on retrial, said they were pleased with the Court of Special Appeals opinion, which was not unanimous.Williams was convicted of fatally shooting and robbing Washington- area lawyers Jose E. Trias, 49, and Julie N. Gilbert, 48, his wife, in what police suspected was one of several burglaries Williams committed in the area around their Severn River-front home. He received two sentences of life without parole plus 70 years.He admitted to forcing them to give him their bank cards and PIN numbers then using the cards and stealing their car. But apparently they never called the police to report having been robbed.
And there was more evidence:
County police Detective Ed Stratton first recognized [scotland E. Williams] on a wanted poster, which police made from the bank surveillance video. After the suspect was arrested, Stratton discovered a key piece of evidence.He had obtained - and kept - a photocopy of Williams' shoe print after arresting him in a earlier burglary. It turned out that that shoe print matched one found in the victims' kitchen."We happened to be talking about [the shoe print in the kitchen]. Stratton went out to the trunk of his car and came back with the photocopy 30 seconds later," said [Jeff Cover], who described Stratton as the behind-the-scenes star of the case."So yes they were murdered for a reason Scotland Williams wanted their money.
These are some technicalities! That's funny, "technicalities"
I was unaware of the conviction had been overturned. The decion was based on technicalities, Duane omitted the following from the 1st linked article:
The appeals courtruled that Anne Arundel Circuit Judge Eugene M. Lerner made three crucial mistakes during the trial:
He did not allow defense attorneys enough latitude in challenging the credibility of DNA evidence.
He allowed prosecutors to question a defense witness about his juvenile crime record.
He should not have allowed the prosecution to admit a pry bar and a can of Mace into evidence
Then you write:
He admitted to forcing them to give him their bank cards and PIN numbers then using the cards and stealing their car. But apparently they never called the police to report having been robbed
The robbery victims "never" called the police to report their automobile, and bank cards stolen?! Is that what youre saying? I wonder why the defendant admitted to a crime never reported? Was he represented by an attorney? You have to wonder why a defendant would confess to a crime that was never reported by the victims. Furthermore why would the victims not report their car and bank cards being stolen? If the defendant murdered the victims before they could report the crime then why not state that?
Otherwise does this seem like reasonable behavior to you?
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Vidal was a relative by marriage.
I’ll give you the slow-learner version Hugh D. Auchincloss Jr. was Vidal’s step-father 1935 – 41 and Jackie’s step father 1942 – 79. They probably only knew each other vaguely if at all. There is no reason to assume he has some sort of special insight in to how the father-in-law of his ex-stepfather’s step-daughter made his fortune in the 1920’s.
Quote:What Schneider failed to explain is how he established that the owner of the companies in Vancouver was the Joseph Kennedy in question. It’s a very common name hundreds are listed in the US White Pages*.
Len, is this your evidence/ rebuttal? Are you going to tell me you didnt crib this from another source?
Nope I “didnt crib this from another source”. I’ll give you $10,000 if you can show otherwise, unlike you I’m not a welch. Yes that was part of my rebuttal, Schneider seems to have assumed that the owner of Joseph Kennedy LTD was JFK’s father, the evidence suggests otherwise. Especially since Tom has discovered the company was in business before Kennedy moved to the west coast. Do you really think Kennedy would be dumb enough to start a company to do something illegal and name it after himself? Based on what Tom and you have turned up there doesn’t even seem to have been anyone named Kennedy at the company.
Quote:You’re right the only way an ambitious Harvard educated Irish-American could have become wealthy in the ‘20s was rum running
I never made any such claim.
It was implicit, why else mention his ethnicity?
I said Joseph P. Kennedy was running liquor into the United States during prohibition.Furthermore why don't you tell me how he made his millions.
According to most biographers, through Wall St. real estate, films and legal liquor distribution after prohibition.
’ll give you the slow-learner version Hugh D. Auchincloss Jr. was Vidal’s step-father 1935 – 41 and Jackie’s step father 1942 – 79. They probably only knew each other vaguely if at all. There is no reason to assume he has some sort of special insight in to how the father-in-law of his ex-stepfather’s step-daughter made his fortune in the 1920’s.
What's your point? Vidal stepfather was Jackie's stepfather. Now one certainly couldnt imagine this as an extended family, now could we? Then you speculate that they probably only knew each other vaguely. Vidal has been associated with the Kennedy family for over 60 years. He certainly is qualified to repeat what he knows about the family business dealings.
Nope I “didnt crib this from another source”. I’ll give you $10,000 if you can show otherwise, unlike you I’m not a welch. Yes that was part of my rebuttal, Schneider seems to have assumed that the owner of Joseph Kennedy LTD was JFK’s father, the evidence suggests otherwise. Especially since Tom has discovered the company was in business before Kennedy moved to the west coast. Do you really think Kennedy would be dumb enough to start a company to do something illegal and name it after himself? Based on what Tom and you have turned up there doesn’t even seem to have been anyone named Kennedy at the company.
That's funny I read the same argument on line just hours before you came here with the very same insight. You even caught the Harvard booze story, along with the fact that there are so many Joseph Kennedy's living in that area. And it was Joe Sr. who brought all the booze for his 10th year Harvard Reunion. It was not his son Joe Jr.
The evidence doesnt suggest otherwise that ownership of Joseph Kennedy Ltd. was anyone other than the father of the 35th President. The evidence you offer above is for dummy's. Especially when you consider Great Britain actually ran the illegal booze operation into the USA. Mobsters like Kennedy, Bronfman, Costello, Reinfeld were cut outs.
It was implicit, why else mention his ethnicity?
I was direct in my statement. Joseph Kennedy ran illegal booze into the United States during prohibition. That illegal operation was a major source of the Kennedy wealth. It was also a British operation. Joe Kennedy was a creature of the wealthy British aristocrats.
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Good thing this isnt "the" Joseph Kennedy. 1927 NYTimes.
Thanks for that Terry, you deserve the Adres Escobar Award for posting that. "Joseph Kennedy Ltd" was named as a major player in bootlegging in a 1927 Canadian inquiry and this made the front page of the NY Times at a time when the future president's father was already a major player in Wall St, Hollywood and real estate and you think no one noticed?
EDIT: Typo fixed
With so many people using that name, so many Joseph Kennedy's, it could have been anyone of them.
Wall Street, Hollywood and Real Estate? They go together with dope and booze. Havent you looked at the Bronfman's? Wall Street, Hollywood, Real Estate, Booze.
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http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=21392
oh yes JP Morgan and thus BP is British I am very busy and have to leave this forum for at least 9 months. LORD CHRIST IS THE TRUE KING WE HUMANS YEARN FOR.
Looks like you violated the 1st and possibly the 9th commandments. Thought it was an excuse.
So some guy without documentation claims the # 1 investor in Morgan is British but #2 is French and #3 is American. And you think that makes the bank British?
State Street is an American institution only to the simple minded. Or perhaps they're American in the same way Aaron Burr was an American
From their website
"State Street has a long and proven history of delivering comprehensive and flexible financial solutions to many of the world's largest and most sophisticated institutional investors...
"[in] Europe [we have] 1.3 trillion in assets under custody [and] 247 billion in assets under management..." "....In the Channel Islands, our Jersey and Guernsey offices have grown to more than 500 employees since 2003.... With the recent acquisition of Mourant International Finance Administration (MIFA), headquartered in Jersey, Channel Islands, State Street enhanced its capabilities for servicing investors' growing real estate administration requirements. State Street now services more than 455 billion in alternative [sic] assets and ranks as No. 1 in alternative asset servicing globally; No. 1 in private equity servicing globally; No. 2 in real estate asset servicing globally and No. 2 in hedge fund servicing globally, based on industry survey data.
...."In the Jersey and Guernsey jurisdictions, we currently offer investment services to 60 funds* worth in excess of USD 10.5 billion in offshore assets for our customers, making State Street a leading third-party service provider of asset administration and custody.
"Through our Alternative Investment Solutions group, we administer more than 1,100 hedge and private equity funds across a wide range of investment strategies, including global equities, global macro, fixed income, and arbitrage and distressed debt, and we have significant expertise in servicing onshore and offshore alternative investment products. We maintain a dedicated team of more than 1,600 employees serving more than 700 hedge funds in markets all over the world....
"State Street's extensive offshore operations require us to support many of the most complex fund structures, including structured finance products, multi-tiered legal entities, derivative-based funds, mortgage-backed funds, offshore trust products and alternative investment funds...."
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...Try "Joseph Kennedy Ltd., a holding company that operated export houses in British Columbia.
Or
The "Kennedy Silk Hat Cocktail Co."
Terry, are you maintaining that it is reasonable to believe that the FBI and partisan senators "missed" this
Joseph P. Kennedy, blatant evidence of lawbreaking, in the instances when Kennedy was required to be vetted for at
least three presidential appointments; SEC, Ambassador to UK, and membership on a crime board?
You post the examples of "evidence" I examine and then discard because they are unsupportable. Here are some things
that would have had to be overlooked.
The earliest mention of Joseph Kennedy Ltd. I can find are these two ads.: (newspaperarchive.com search results)
Winnipeg Free Press - December 17, 1923, Winnipeg, Manitoba
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the. first refund. -Gold Latel- for the holidays BRAND COCKTAILS JOSEPH KENNEDY LIB. EXTRA DRV MANHATTAN Extra Dry MARTINI Extra Dry A...
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Date: Monday, December 17, 1923
City: Winnipeg
State: Manitoba
Winnipeg Free Press - December 26, 1923, Winnipeg, Manitoba
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FEATURES COMING ELMO" BRAND COCKTAILS for the holidays BRAND COCKTAILS JOSEPH KENNEDY LTD. MANHATTAN Extra Dry MARTINI Sxtra Dry f 'A perfect...
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Date: Wednesday, December 26, 1923
Lethbridge Herald, The - August 26, 1927, Lethbridge, Alberta
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Reifel, brother of Harry, and manager... ..."Farmer Brown's ialers Named In SEATTLE Cferges Prominent Men Engaged Exporting and Distilling Business n SEATTLE,... ...Vancouver...Exporting and Distilling Business n SEATTLE,... ...Vancouver liquor ex- port house; Harry Reltel, secretary of the Kennedy company and mem- ber of... ...well...
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Date: Friday, August 26, 1927
City: Lethbridge
State: Alberta
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&tbs=nws:1%2Csbd%3A1%2Ccdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1927%2Ccd_max%3A1936&q=harry+reifel+joseph&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=harry+reifel+joseph&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=91dcdcfaf98861f5SEVEN CANADIANS ARE INDICTED BY JURY IN SEATTLE
- Atlanta Constitution - Aug 27, 1927
The Canadians named among theA defendants are Oakland D Lamp man director of Joseph Rennedy Ltd Vancouver liquor ex port bouse Harry Reifel secretary ...
Moms Probe Is .[old .Of Payments To .Bc Newspapers World,...
Montreal Gazette - Jan 25, 1927
... no more payments of Urn kind lie declared Mr Reifel was askedwhen his son Harry manager of the joseph Kennedy Company liquor exporters would return from ...
A Canadian student submitted a thesis on this subject in 1979. She even referred to the firm in question as the "Jospeh P. Kennedy Exporting Company." She includes many details of the Reifels and the accusations of illegal activities. There is however, nothing there to support your suspicions. This is the reason I have ruled this line of investigation out as a "smoking gun". It is too obvious, and if there was anything to it, enemies of JFK and his father would have paid to put it up on billboards. If you believe JFK and RFK were not killed by "lone nuts," it should not be too much of a leap to accept that anything as obvious as Joseph P Kennedy Exporting Company of Vancouver, BC, would have been put up in public in neon lights to discredit Kennedy before he could be appointed as first SEC chief and as an ambassador, and then prominently dragged up again when JFK campaigned for political office.
The politics of liquor in British Columbia : 1920-1928File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
the Commission was Mr. George C. Reifel (son of Henry Reifel), of Vancouver. Breweries and the Joseph P. Kennedy Exporting Company. With Farris acting ...
http://www.google.com/search?q=george+reifel&hl=en&safe=off&tbs=nws:1,ar:1,sbd:1&ei=lR-yTOeEOoX6lweVwpS6Ag&start=330&sa=NSECOND $100,000 BOND ORDERED FORFEITED IN RUM RUNNING …
Pay-Per-View - Chicago Tribune - Sep 12, 1934
cral Judge JohnC Bowen today dl the forfeiture of the second $100000 bond in the case of Henry Reifel Sr and George Reifel Van couver B. C. distillers ...
Reporter In Chicago Faces Contempt Charge
Pay-Per-View - The Sun - Jul 28, 1934
... States by the Reifel Brewery interests of British Columbia has been tied up ... civil suit against Henry Reifel and his son George The Government has ...
Reifel And Sons Quit Beer Jobs .
Spokane Daily Chronicle - Jul 27, 1934
two sons Hurry and George have resigned from the directorate of Brewers and Dis tillers Ltd of British Columbia the company announced today The resignations ...
ACCUSED LIQUOR MEN RESIGN AS DIRECTORS
Pay-Per-View - Los Angeles Times - Jul 27, 1934
Henry Rcifel and his two sons Har ry and George have resigned from the ... of the stockholders the announcement said Henry Reifel and his son George are at ...
MISSING COAST MEN LOCATED UNHARMED
Pay-Per-View - Los Angeles Times - Jul 24, 1934
REIFEL LIQUOR CASE. INQUIRY OPENS TODAY ... government evidence against asserted rumrun ning activities of Henry Reiel and his son George VancouverB. C. ...
CANADIAN DISTILLERS HELD; They Are Accused in Seattle of...
$3.95 - New York Times - Jul 8, 1934
Henr3 Reifel, president of Brewers and Distillers, Ltd., of Vancouver, and his son, George C. Reifel, were accused by the government of heading an elaborate ...
RUM CHARGE JAILS TWO
Pay-Per-View - Los Angeles Times - Jul 7, 1934
Henry Reifel president of the Brewers and Distillers Ltd of Vancouver B. C. and his son George C Reifel were arrested here today by customs agents accused ...
http://www.google.com/search?q=george+reifel&hl=en&safe=off&tbs=nws:1,ar:1,sbd:1&ei=tR-yTNO7FYeglAfh88y5CQ&start=320&sa=NFly Shortens Shaver's Nose
- Los Angeles Times - Jul 31, 1935
Federal Judge Jeremiah Neterer dismissed all civil suits for internal revenue taxes % and other claims against Henry Reifel his son George and other ...
JARECKI RUSHES RELIEF PROGRAM ON REALTY TAXES
- Chicago Tribune - Jul 30, 1935
The government took court action to collect the huge sum IenryReifel and George C Reilfel his son for duties customs penalties and Internal revenue taxes ...
Loislaw Federal District Court Opinions - UNITED STATES v....
- Loislaw Federal District Court Opinions - Oct 26, 1934
... in January 1934 including the day of service of the summons and complaint The affidavits of Wills Twittey Tobin and George Reifel cannot change what was ...
Tom, you amaze me. Unless there is something wrong with my ability to comprehend the written word, the articles you pasted confirm not contradict JPK bootlegging activity.
You operate under the assumption that the Kennedy family "opposition" would have used this against the family. Correct me if I am wrong but wasnt two of the Joseph Kennedy sons shot to pieces and murdered? One son was the 35th President of the United States while the other was murdered while campaigning for the same office. Have those two murders ever been solved? And that question get's us back to the original question of this thread: Why do the Kennedy's remain silent"?
Ever hear of the Bronfman family? They have seemed to do okay since their start as organized crime working with Lansky, Linsey, Kennedy and the rest. No one has laid a finger on the Bronfmans or their financial and political empire. And the facts of their illegal activity is available for anyone to see.
Why have the Bronfman family not been put out of business? Was their reputation and family history cleaned up just like the Kennedy family? If so who was/is behind this revisionist histpory?
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2009/10/billionaires-2009-richest-people_Edgar-Bronfman-Sr_E8GC.html
Good thing this isnt "the" Joseph Kennedy. 1927 NYTimes.
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Wasnt Gore Vidal Jackie Kennedy's step brother?
No he wasn't.
To refer to Vidal as part of the Kennedy extended family isnt "absurd".Just like just about everything you say it is absurd.
Otherwise I cannot read the rest of your drivel, it's just too painful.Translation, you can't rebut what I wrote.
I assume this is what you had been waiting for all this time?"All this time"? I replied in 18 hours, I was asleep for about 8 of them.
Vidal was a relative by marriage.
What is there to rebut?
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What Schneider failed to explain is how he established that the owner of the companies in Vancouver was the Joseph Kennedy in question. It’s a very common name hundreds are listed in the US White Pages*.
Len, is this your evidence/ rebuttal? Are you going to tell me you didnt crib this from another source?
Are you presenting this as your discovery/argument?
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You’re right the only way an ambitious Harvard educated Irish-American could have become wealthy in the ‘20s was rum running
I never made any such claim. I said Joseph P. Kennedy was running liquor into the United States during prohibition.
Furthermore why don't you tell me how he made his millions.
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...Try "Joseph Kennedy Ltd., a holding company that operated export houses in British Columbia.
Or
The "Kennedy Silk Hat Cocktail Co."
Terry, are you maintaining that it is reasonable to believe that the FBI and partisan senators "missed" this
Joseph P. Kennedy, blatant evidence of lawbreaking, in the instances when Kennedy was required to be vetted for at
least three presidential appointments; SEC, Ambassador to UK, and membership on a crime board?
You post the examples of "evidence" I examine and then discard because they are unsupportable. Here are some things
that would have had to be overlooked.
The earliest mention of Joseph Kennedy Ltd. I can find are these two ads.: (newspaperarchive.com search results)
Winnipeg Free Press - December 17, 1923, Winnipeg, Manitoba
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the. first refund. -Gold Latel- for the holidays BRAND COCKTAILS JOSEPH KENNEDY LIB. EXTRA DRV MANHATTAN Extra Dry MARTINI Extra Dry A...
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Date: Monday, December 17, 1923
City: Winnipeg
State: Manitoba
Winnipeg Free Press - December 26, 1923, Winnipeg, Manitoba
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FEATURES COMING ELMO" BRAND COCKTAILS for the holidays BRAND COCKTAILS JOSEPH KENNEDY LTD. MANHATTAN Extra Dry MARTINI Sxtra Dry f 'A perfect...
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Date: Wednesday, December 26, 1923
Lethbridge Herald, The - August 26, 1927, Lethbridge, Alberta
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Reifel, brother of Harry, and manager... ..."Farmer Brown's ialers Named In SEATTLE Cferges Prominent Men Engaged Exporting and Distilling Business n SEATTLE,... ...Vancouver...Exporting and Distilling Business n SEATTLE,... ...Vancouver liquor ex- port house; Harry Reltel, secretary of the Kennedy company and mem- ber of... ...well...
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Date: Friday, August 26, 1927
City: Lethbridge
State: Alberta
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy&hl=en&safe=off&tbs=nws:1%2Csbd%3A1%2Ccdr%3A1%2Ccd_min%3A1927%2Ccd_max%3A1936&q=harry+reifel+joseph&aq=&aqi=&aql=&oq=harry+reifel+joseph&gs_rfai=&pbx=1&fp=91dcdcfaf98861f5SEVEN CANADIANS ARE INDICTED BY JURY IN SEATTLE
- Atlanta Constitution - Aug 27, 1927
The Canadians named among theA defendants are Oakland D Lamp man director of Joseph Rennedy Ltd Vancouver liquor ex port bouse Harry Reifel secretary ...
Moms Probe Is .[old .Of Payments To .Bc Newspapers World,...
Montreal Gazette - Jan 25, 1927
... no more payments of Urn kind lie declared Mr Reifel was askedwhen his son Harry manager of the joseph Kennedy Company liquor exporters would return from ...
A Canadian student submitted a thesis on this subject in 1979. She even referred to the firm in question as the "Jospeh P. Kennedy Exporting Company." She includes many details of the Reifels and the accusations of illegal activities. There is however, nothing there to support your suspicions. This is the reason I have ruled this line of investigation out as a "smoking gun". It is too obvious, and if there was anything to it, enemies of JFK and his father would have paid to put it up on billboards. If you believe JFK and RFK were not killed by "lone nuts," it should not be too much of a leap to accept that anything as obvious as Joseph P Kennedy Exporting Company of Vancouver, BC, would have been put up in public in neon lights to discredit Kennedy before he could be appointed as first SEC chief and as an ambassador, and then prominently dragged up again when JFK campaigned for political office.
The politics of liquor in British Columbia : 1920-1928File Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
the Commission was Mr. George C. Reifel (son of Henry Reifel), of Vancouver. Breweries and the Joseph P. Kennedy Exporting Company. With Farris acting ...
http://www.google.com/search?q=george+reifel&hl=en&safe=off&tbs=nws:1,ar:1,sbd:1&ei=lR-yTOeEOoX6lweVwpS6Ag&start=330&sa=NSECOND $100,000 BOND ORDERED FORFEITED IN RUM RUNNING …
Pay-Per-View - Chicago Tribune - Sep 12, 1934
cral Judge JohnC Bowen today dl the forfeiture of the second $100000 bond in the case of Henry Reifel Sr and George Reifel Van couver B. C. distillers ...
Reporter In Chicago Faces Contempt Charge
Pay-Per-View - The Sun - Jul 28, 1934
... States by the Reifel Brewery interests of British Columbia has been tied up ... civil suit against Henry Reifel and his son George The Government has ...
Reifel And Sons Quit Beer Jobs .
Spokane Daily Chronicle - Jul 27, 1934
two sons Hurry and George have resigned from the directorate of Brewers and Dis tillers Ltd of British Columbia the company announced today The resignations ...
ACCUSED LIQUOR MEN RESIGN AS DIRECTORS
Pay-Per-View - Los Angeles Times - Jul 27, 1934
Henry Rcifel and his two sons Har ry and George have resigned from the ... of the stockholders the announcement said Henry Reifel and his son George are at ...
MISSING COAST MEN LOCATED UNHARMED
Pay-Per-View - Los Angeles Times - Jul 24, 1934
REIFEL LIQUOR CASE. INQUIRY OPENS TODAY ... government evidence against asserted rumrun ning activities of Henry Reiel and his son George VancouverB. C. ...
CANADIAN DISTILLERS HELD; They Are Accused in Seattle of...
$3.95 - New York Times - Jul 8, 1934
Henr3 Reifel, president of Brewers and Distillers, Ltd., of Vancouver, and his son, George C. Reifel, were accused by the government of heading an elaborate ...
RUM CHARGE JAILS TWO
Pay-Per-View - Los Angeles Times - Jul 7, 1934
Henry Reifel president of the Brewers and Distillers Ltd of Vancouver B. C. and his son George C Reifel were arrested here today by customs agents accused ...
http://www.google.com/search?q=george+reifel&hl=en&safe=off&tbs=nws:1,ar:1,sbd:1&ei=tR-yTNO7FYeglAfh88y5CQ&start=320&sa=NFly Shortens Shaver's Nose
- Los Angeles Times - Jul 31, 1935
Federal Judge Jeremiah Neterer dismissed all civil suits for internal revenue taxes % and other claims against Henry Reifel his son George and other ...
JARECKI RUSHES RELIEF PROGRAM ON REALTY TAXES
- Chicago Tribune - Jul 30, 1935
The government took court action to collect the huge sum IenryReifel and George C Reilfel his son for duties customs penalties and Internal revenue taxes ...
Loislaw Federal District Court Opinions - UNITED STATES v....
- Loislaw Federal District Court Opinions - Oct 26, 1934
... in January 1934 including the day of service of the summons and complaint The affidavits of Wills Twittey Tobin and George Reifel cannot change what was ...
Tom, you amaze me. Unless there is something wrong with my ability to comprehend the written word, the articles you pasted confirm not contradict JPK bootlegging activity.
You operate under the assumption that the Kennedy family "opposition" would have used this against the family. Correct me if I am wrong but wasnt two of the Joseph Kennedy sons shot to pieces and murdered? One son was the 35th President of the United States while the other was murdered while campaigning for the same office. Have those two murders ever been solved? And that question get's us back to the original question of this thread: Why do the Kennedy's remain silent"?
Ever hear of the Bronfman family? They have seemed to do okay since their start as organized crime working with Lansky, Linsey, Kennedy and the rest. No one has laid a finger on the Bronfmans or their financial and political empire. And the facts of their illegal activity is available for anyone to see.
Why have the Bronfman family not been put out of business? Was their reputation and family history cleaned up just like the Kennedy family? If so who was/is behind this revisionist histpory?
http://www.forbes.com/lists/2009/10/billionaires-2009-richest-people_Edgar-Bronfman-Sr_E8GC.html
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I believe Gore Vidal, Bouvier relative-by-marriage and Hollywood insider, has alluded to the bootlegging component of the Kennedy fortune in interviews over the years, and perhaps in his volumes of memoirs, Caveat lector
Len,
Gore Vidal, yes or no?
How absurd can you get? If Vidal said this I would like to see what evidence he cited, he was a novelist and essayist not a historian or journalist. But David only said that he “believes” Vidal “alluded” to this and used the disclaimer "Caveat lector".
He was also part of the Kennedy extended family. Whether he is a novelist or essayist has no bearing on the matter.
That’s absurd he wasn’t even part of Jackie’s “extended family”. To make a long story short he was born in 1925, in 1935 his parents got divorced and his mother married Hugh D. Auchincloss, and had 2 children with him. She divorced Auchincloss 1941 and he remarried Jackie’s mother the next year. They probably did not know each other at best they might have met at some parties. The notion that he has some sort of special insight in to how the father-in-law of his ex-stepfather’s step-daughter made his fortune in the 1920’s is absurd. And since he has made inaccurate statements about Joe Sr. in the past even if we accepted your bizarre premise his claims would have to be met with skepticism.
So we will give Gore Vidal a thumbs down. We'll put him with Meyer Lansky, Frank Costello, Diamond Joe Esposito, Henry ReifelOf the above I only know of Costello saying this just before his death in the 1970’s, do you have cites for the others.
...and the records of the Canadian Royal Commission on Customs.LOL you finally seem to have discovered a fairly legitimate source Iced: The Story of Organized Crime in Canada by Stephen Schneider a professor from Nova Scotia. Even he only said that Kennedy “…is also reported to have made millions smuggling booze into America”. He cited Costello and Ted Schwarz a biographer. Publisher’s Weekly whose reviews are almost positive said the following about the latter’s book:
…Schwarz appears to base his book heavily on very loosely referenced secondary sources (he mentions interviews with "invisible" Kennedy staff members, but this is vague). The star witness Schwarz breathlessly announces in his intro-Barbara Gibson, onetime personal secretary to Rose Kennedy-is hardly referenced at all, but then neither is anyone else. Schwarz's 22 chapters have a total of only 92 endnotes. Even more problematic is the fact that Schwarz repeats a number of myths about Kennedy-the majority of them long ago debunked by other researchers and writers. Example: As more than one recent scholar has deduced, Joseph Kennedy did not buy 40,000 copies of John Kennedy's Why England Slept in order to make the book a bestseller. Other small errors compound to make Schwarz's tome annoying for any reader familiar with the Kennedy saga-and there are many. For instance: Joe did not cooperate, as Schwarz implies he did, in arranging for Jack to get posted to the South Pacific theater during WWII. Quite the contrary. Jack (as has been documented in several recent books) had to go around his father's back and over his head to get the assignment he craved. In sum, readers interested in JPK would do better to consult Ronald Kessler's The Sins of the Father, granddaughter Amanda Smith's Hostage to Fortune or Michael Beschloss's excellent Kennedy and Roosevelt.Schwarz’s credibility is further undermined by his claim, as paraphrased by Schneider, that “…Joe Jr. obtained Canadian whiskey through his father for the tenth reunion of his Harvard graduating class.” The problem is that Joe Jr. graduated in 1938 almost 5 years after the end of Prohibition and died long before 1948. One could argue he meant the 10th anniversary of Joe Sr.’s graduation but his son was a couple months shy of his 7th birthday at the time. Schneider, also wrote:
The most concrete evidence of Kennedy's involvementin bootlegging Canadian liquor comes from the Royal Commission on Customs and Excise , which linked Kennedy and British Columbia brewmaster Henry Reifel. Along with their breweries, the Reifel family ran Joseph Kennedy Ltd., a holding company that operated several bonded export houses in British Columbia… Another associated company accused of being used by the Reifel family for smuggling purposes was the KennedySilk Hat Cocktail Co., which shared its offices with Joseph Kennedy Ltd. on Homer Street in VancouverWhat Schneider failed to explain is how he established that the owner of the companies in Vancouver was the Joseph Kennedy in question. It’s a very common name hundreds are listed in the US White Pages*. Schwarz and Costello said he brought the booze in through Boston so why would he use companies on the west coast of Canada? I have never heard of him having business interests in British Colombia, silk or hats. There are no other references on the Net to “Kennedy Silk Hat” and only one to “Joseph Kennedy Ltd”, that was to an index of Henry Morgenthau’s diaries. There was a single result, page 54 of diary 5 (Spring {April?} 1935), the closest result for the president’s father was on pages 106 – 118 of diary 7 (Summer {June?} 1935). The only other hits to page 54 are for Canada, Columbia Distillery, Ltd. and Customs Bureau. So it seems that the Canadian company probably was involved in bootlegging and perhaps legal exports in 1935 but the evidence that it was run by Joe Sr. is scant
We'll also sit and wonder how the old Irishman financed a Presidential campaign and also left $500 million behind when he died in 1969.You’re right the only way an ambitious Harvard educated Irish-American could have become wealthy in the ‘20s was rum running
Sources:
Jackie’s, Vidal’s, Joe Sr’s, Joe Jr’s and Auchincloss’ Wikipedia bios
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugh_D._Auchincloss
Iced: The Story of Organized Crime in Canada by Stephen Schneider
Amazon Page for Joseph P. Kennedy: The Mogul, the Mob, the Statesman, and the Making of an American Myth by Ted Schwarz including PW review
http://www.amazon.com/Joseph-P-Kennedy-Statesman-American/dp/0471176818
White Pages results for Joseph Kennedy -
http://www.whitepages.com/dir/a-z/kennedy/joseph
* It lists them alphabetically by middle name or initial then by location (state, city), it found 90 with no middle name or initial and 10 with the initial A or B before it reached the 100 result max. It also found over 100 Joes and J’s. Though some of the numbers are duplicates and work phones obviously it does included unlisted or cell phone only Joseph Kennedys
Index of Henry Morgenthau’s diaries 1933 - 9
http://www.lexisnexis.com/documents/academic/upa_cis/9691_MorgDiariesDepression.pdf pgs 4,120
Wasnt Gore Vidal Jackie Kennedy's step brother? To refer to Vidal as part of the Kennedy extended family isnt "absurd".
Otherwise I cannot read the rest of your drivel, it's just too painful. I assume this is what you had been waiting for all this time? It's always the same.
You were waiting for the moment you could dump more of your consciousness-ramblings.
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Caveat lector because Vidal's personal animosity toward the Kennedys has never left him. He's excepted Jack personally, whom he regarded as a friend and one-time political ally. He's never really said a positive or negative word about Kennedy as Chief Executive, though plenty negative about the family.
The trouble with finding bootlegging references is that Vidal is asked about the Kennedys in many interviews above a certain length, he's written about them in reviewing historical works for the press, and his several volumes of memoirs are not sequentially nor topically arranged - so it's hard to locate that "A-ha!" reference, and if one did, it would be a quick description or epithet rather than an investigative finding.
I'll poke about in what I have at hand and see what I can quote, but it would only be Vidal's insider status that would give it weight. Remember, too, that the Vidal-Auchincloss-Bouvier families would have shared a certain anecdotal knowledge with their growing children (Jackie, Gore), so this may be the origin of any "bootlegger" reputation for Old Joe in this circle.
So that's what caveat lector meant. I sometimes overestimate the extent to which Vidal is read among those interested in the assassinations, so I thought it would be self-explanatory within the terms of the Vidal-Bouvier relationship.
Try "Joseph Kennedy Ltd., a holding company that operated export houses in British Columbia.
Or
The "Kennedy Silk Hat Cocktail Co."
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I believe Gore Vidal, Bouvier relative-by-marriage and Hollywood insider, has alluded to the bootlegging component of the Kennedy fortune in interviews over the years, and perhaps in his volumes of memoirs, Caveat lector
Len,
Gore Vidal, yes or no?
How absurd can you get? If Vidal said this I would like to see what evidence he cited, he was a novelist and essayist not a historian or journalist. But David only said that he “believes” Vidal “alluded” to this and used the disclaimer "Caveat lector".
He was also part of the Kennedy extended family. Whether he is a novelist or essayist has no bearing on the matter.
So we will give Gore Vidal a thumbs down. We'll put him with Meyer Lansky, Frank Costello, Diamond Joe Esposito, Henry Reifel and the records of the Canadian Royal Commission on Customs. We'll also sit and wonder how the old Irishman financed a Presidential campaign and also left $500 million behind when he died in 1969.
HI TER, may i ask the documentation of old joe leaving 500 million behind when he died in 69...thanks much take care...b
From an 1969 article that covered his death. Of course it's an estimate.
From Forbes 1957.
In 1957 Fortune declared Kennedy one of the richest men in America, with assets of 200 to 400 million bucks.
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I believe Gore Vidal, Bouvier relative-by-marriage and Hollywood insider, has alluded to the bootlegging component of the Kennedy fortune in interviews over the years, and perhaps in his volumes of memoirs, Caveat lector
Len,
Gore Vidal, yes or no?
How absurd can you get? If Vidal said this I would like to see what evidence he cited, he was a novelist and essayist not a historian or journalist. But David only said that he “believes” Vidal “alluded” to this and used the disclaimer "Caveat lector".
He was also part of the Kennedy extended family. Whether he is a novelist or essayist has no bearing on the matter.
So we will give Gore Vidal a thumbs down. We'll put him with Meyer Lansky, Frank Costello, Diamond Joe Esposito, Henry Reifel and the records of the Canadian Royal Commission on Customs. We'll also sit and wonder how the old Irishman financed a Presidential campaign and also left $500 million behind when he died in 1969.
Bloomfield, Permindex and the CIA
in JFK Assassination Debate
Posted · Edited by Terry Mauro
The Nov. 22, 1963 assassination of President John F. Kennedy was coordinated by the Rome and New Orleans-headquartered Permindex corporation, which French intelligence, SDECE, discovered had also put up $200,000 for an attempt on de Gaulle. Even a cursory examination of the hard-core fascist outlook and connections of most of the Permindex/CMC personnel, their numerous ties to high-level Anglo-American intelligence, along with their financial connections, leaves no doubt that Permindex and its Rome-based arm, Centro Mondiale Commerciale (CMC), were part of the parallel NATO/Gladio structure.
Permindex was registered in Berne, Switzerland, Dulles's old stomping grounds. It was chaired by a high-ranking veteran of the Special Operations Executive (SOE) and the OSS, the Canada-based lawyer and financier, Louis Mortimer Bloomfield, the majority shareholder in Permindex (who also owned 50% of CMC). Its board was a mélange of devout "anti-communists," aristocrats, and fascists of various intelligence pedigrees. These included Count Guitierez di Spadafora, former undersecretary of agriculture to Mussolini, secretary of a British-sponsored Sicilian separatist movement, and in-law of Hjalmar Schacht, the master financier of the postwar Nazi International; Carlo d'Amelio, a Rome attorney who oversaw the financial holdings of the House of Savoy, and, according to some accounts, also of the Pallavicini family, and was the founding president of the CMC; Giuseppe Zigiotti, head of the Fascist National Association for Militia Arms; several other wartime fascists; and former OSS London and SOE veteran Col. Clay Shaw, the operations officer for the assassination.
Permindex was chaired by Canada's Bloomfield, while its international arm, CMC, was based in Rome, and Clay Shaw's firm in New Orleans, International Trade Mart, was a subsidiary of Permindex/CMC. According to documents released through the Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), OSS veteran Shaw worked for the CIA, as well. There was ample evidence of Shaw's involvement in the assassination, for which he was indicted by New Orleans District Attorney Jim Garrison. Notably, one of the names found in Shaw's personal phone book was that of Princess Marcella Borghese, a member of the Black Prince's family. And one of the lower-level figures in the ambit of the plot, Dallas nightclub owner Jack Ruby (who assassinated patsy Lee Harvey Oswald), charged repeatedly in letters from jail, that "the Nazis and the Fascists were behind the Kennedy murder." According to the highly credible Torbitt manuscript, "Ruby was much more knowledgeable about the conspiracy than most."
Huge financial resources flowed through Permindex/CMC for no commercial purpose. Some of these funds, at least, were provided through banks which had earlier financed the Nazis, including one intimately associated with Allen Dulles from the time of his 1930s work with Nazi cartels, through to his 1953-61 stint as CIA chief. Some hints of where the money was going could be found in French and Italian press reports that CMC official Ferenc Nagy, the fiercely anti-communist former Prime Minister of Hungary, was financing Jacques Soustelle and the OAS, along with other European fascist movements; or in New Orleans District Attorney Garrison's observation about "Shaw's secret life as an Agency [CIA] man trying to bring Fascism back to Italy."[6]
NATO units were also involved in at least some of the numerous assassination attempts on France's President Charles de Gaulle in 1962-63, which was no doubt a factor in de Gaulle's withdrawing France from NATO's military command in 1966. France, after all, had been a key target of NATO's "Operation Demagnetize" in the 1950s, and the "anti-communist," bitterly anti-de Gaulle OAS operatives like Guerin Serac, were natural partners of NATO. Adm. Pierre Lacoste, director of the France's military secret service DGSE (1982-85), admitted after Andreotti had exposed Gladio's existence in 1990, that some "terrorist actions" against de Gaulle and his plans to liberate Algeria were carried out by groups involving "a limited number of people" from the French Gladio organization!
A five-year investigation by France's SDECE intelligence agency of a 1962 assassination plot against de Gaulle found that the assassination had been planned in the Brussels headquarters of NATO by a specific group of British and French generals, who employed former fascists for the planned wetwork.
And then, there is the case of Swedish Prime Minister Olof Palme, who was assassinated on Feb. 28, 1986 in Stockholm. While there is no hard proof that parallel Gladio networks were involved, it has been suspected by Swedish investigative journalists. On April 28, 1992, Sweden's top daily, Dagens Nyheter, carried the headline: "A Top-Secret Intelligence Network Within NATO Is Behind the Death of Olof Palme." Journalist Goran Beckerus charged that the operative branch of NATO's Allied Clandestine Committee, known by its initials SOPS, oversaw the assassination under the code name "Operation Tree."
Italy's Black Prince: Terror War against Nation State
http://www.larouchepub.com/other/2005/3205_italy_black_prince.html