Terry Mauro

FREEMAN: Well, look, you saying, "Why are they afraid of

me, poor me, with my limited resources," that's a hard sell, Lyn!

Of course they're afraid of you: You're a scary guy! Because

everything that they do, is based on, first of all, on

maintaining an illusion. It's based on keeping the population in

something of the equivalent of a drugged state. And you come

along, and on top of being a damned good economist, you're kind

of uncompromising on questions of truth. And for this crowd? I

mean, that is -- it's catastrophic! And it's especially

catastrophic in America, where, what you threaten to do, is

awaken something that really is embedded in Americans. I mean,

it's been trampled on, it's fragile, but it's there. It's there

in the founding principles of our nation. It's there in

everything that makes up the American persona, and that is

something that, really -- I mean, I don't have any problem

figuring out why these guys are terrified of you!

But I think the more disturbing feature of it, is what you

brought up, in terms of what we see from friends of ours, people

who agree with us, people who think you play a very useful and in

many cases, they believe you play an indispensable and critical

role. Yet: Their collaboration with you, is always quiet, it's

not public. They're very nervous about it. And it's one, I

think because of their own cowardice and their fear of what the

enemy will do to them, because they've seen what the enemy has

tried to do to you. But it is, also, this insane dichotomy. You

know, people in the Clinton administration, used to tell me, back

when Clinton was President, that I had to understand the

difference between policy and politics -- and it was complete

crap! I mean, what it really was, was an exclusive, for --

politics was saying any damned thing you wanted, to get money, to

then carry out your policy, which was good and noble. But

invariably, when you have that kind of dichotomy between politics

and policy, as they've characterized it -- obviously, it's a far

more significant question -- but when you live with that kind of

dichotomy, what you then tend to see, is what was really the

tragedy of the Clinton Administration: Which is that, he was so

tied up, in quote/unquote "politics," that by the time he got

around to policy, it was the end of his Presidency. I mean, he

tends to do a better job on questions of policy now, as a former

President, than when he was President.

LAROUCHE: I think one thing, a correction on this thing:

You have to look deeper. Don't look at event-driver, or reaction

to event-driven kind of policymaking. You have to look at

essentials. Now, what I represent, as what Franklin Roosevelt

represented as president, with his character, particularly his

association with his ancestor [isaac Roosevelt], who founded the

Bank of New York, that, what we represent, as Americans, or did

represent as Americans, among the Founders, was a conception of

society, was a counter to tragedy. And that's what we represent.

Now, I happen to represent that. I'm one of the -- like the

last survivor, so to speak -- not really the last one, but I have

the character of being a typical last survivor. And I represent

that. Now, what's their reaction? What was the Clinton

administration reaction? It wasn't a Clinton administration

reaction: It was a typical reaction of what has become the

American version of liberalism.

In liberalism, the idea is, there's like an Adam Smith

conception of society, in which the emotional reactions of

pleasure and pain, drive society. The idea that there's a

principle, like a principle of economy, which determines the

failure or success of society as an economy, it occurs to them;

but it's considered as subsidiary to the assumption that it is

this pleasure/pain principle, as reacted to by various people at

various times in various ways, which drives society. And

therefore, they say, you make policy based on the pleasure/pain

aspect of politics, not on the basis of the principle which

determines success or failure. And this is a result of the kind

of liberalism, of Sarpian liberalism, the effect of which is

largely British in character, on the people of the United States.

The reason that we go down, is because of the influence of

liberalism, of British liberalism on the cultural policy of the

United States. Hollywood has become the greatest traitor to the

United States; Hollywood has become, the permanent Aaron Burr,

because of this pleasure/pain principle, which Burr himself

expresses.

And that's where the weakness in the Clinton Administration

was simply a continuation of that. I mean, you want to find

opportunism, look at the Nixon Administration. Look at how

Johnson reacted, out of fear. And look at what Kennedy reacted

in a different way, and they killed him: They killed Kennedy,

because they knew, that he was reacting with a perception of

principle, which for them was shocking, because they didn't

expect that from any of the children of his father!

STEINBERG: Right, Joe Kennedy!

LAROUCHE: Joe was not a man of principle! He was man of

collecting -- money!

But in any case, but when Jack decided to act on principle,

under the influence of Mrs. Roosevelt, for example, that, he did

something, which for the British liberal is unforgivable. And

they didn't want to punish him, for what he'd done: They wanted

to {destroy} him for what he'd done.

Now, we have a paper, which was done by Dean Andromidas, a

research paper on the background of the post-Franklin Roosevelt

role of people such as Eisenhower and MacArthur, on the question

of U.S.-Soviet relations as opposed to British relations. That

paper, which Dean has done, as a summary, is an excellent point

of reference to look at.

The fact of the matter is, that during the entire postwar

period, especially up through the 1960s, up until Nixon, you had

a fight, which was represented during the -- well, the whole

postwar period, but especially during the 1950s and 1960s. You

had the continued role of exemplary people like Eisenhower and

MacArthur. They had a different view of the postwar strategic

situation, as opposed to the British and Truman policy. That was

the policy under which Kennedy was operating, as President. He

adopted that policy, under the influence of largely, Douglas

MacArthur, and also Eisenhower, and people like them.

So, again, it goes back to the same thing: It is our

institutions, that is, in the postwar period, when you look at it

from this standpoint, that people thought {as I do, as I thought

then}, but I understand it better now: When I came back from the

war, I had a very clear view of what was wrong with the United

States that I returned to. I agreed -- I sent this letter to

Eisenhower. It was a short letter, while he was president of

Columbia [university], and gave reasons why {he should run for

President} on the Democratic ticket. He did not disagree; he

said it was not time for {him} to do that; it was inopportune for

{him} to try to play that role, then. But through the entire

period, Eisenhower, as well as, more significantly MacArthur,

understood, we will not have a conflict with the Soviet Union.

We will deal with a Stalin who now looks upon us, as being a

necessary leadership, for the reconstruction of civilization.

And we're going to play with that, as our option. That's how

Eisenhower reacted, repeatedly, as during the effort to bring

Khrushchov into line in Paris. That's the way that MacArthur

behaved, and Eisenhower behaved during the 1960s. The same way

that {I think, they thought in the same direction that I think},

and I know that.

And there are many other people, similar Americans, who

thought exactly as I think on this particular question: We are

what we are as a nation. We have an embedded characteristic,

which is what I share, and defend, and promote, that's us! This

other stuff is not us. It's an imported British piece of

corruption. And the only way we're going to solve the problem is

my way, not because of me personally, but because I am presently

the most active representative of the American tradition. And

it's the American tradition which must intervene, and it's a

tradition which is consistent with the content of our original

Constitution. {That's} what must prevail. And {that} must be

understood! Don't look for factors, look for principles.

When you're looking at history, looking at science, you're

looking not for factors, you look for principles. The universe

is shaped by principle, not by events. And that has to be

understood. But people who are frightened, who say, "I can't get

people to support me, unless I'm opportunist, unless I react to

the opportunities," that's how we lose, that's how we're

imprisoned. We're imprisoned because we believe, we have to

respond to what's called public opinion.

I think you have this whole idea turned upside down. It is the Kennedy family that has links and ties to organized crime.

I have said as much in the past, though I have called for those elements of old Joe Kennedy's history and character to be more fully explored for certifiability. I've suggested, also, that it was entirely in old Joe's character to get his sons into gangbusting in order to demolish old associates. But the record has to be carefully parsed for rumor, lies, misinterpretation, canards. Once it is - there may be a fascinating moral tale there.

Oh, wait...I meant, "had they been more like the CIA."

The Kennedy Justice Department was also used to break up and/or destroy the Teamsters which had been an organization that pushed for industrial development. People like Walter Sheridan were deployed to go after Jimmy Hoffa and the Teamsters.

After the assassination of JFK members of the Kennedy Justice Department either took positions with Meyer Lansky's INTERTEL or Louie Jacobs "EMPRISE" which is known today as Delaware North Company. EMPRISE/DNC are infamous for running these greyhound race tracks around the country.

Here is another recent article on Al Ross and his gaming ventures. Ross is nephew to the late Joseph Linsey who was another benefactor to the Kennedy's. Also note the British connection to alot of this organized crime "gaming, bootlegging, and drugs".

QUOTE:

After B.A. Dario sold the track, in 1977, to Joe Linsey and his nephew Al Ross, it took on a new identity as Lincoln Greyhound Park, a dog track. By the 1990s, the grand dame of Louisquisset Pike was owned by the British Wembley PLC, and didn’t change hands again until the criminal conviction in 2005 of the top Wembley executives here and in the United Kingdom on charges they conspired in an attempt to bribe former House Speaker John B. Harwood.

That set the stage for the current owners — who include two of the original developers of the Mohegan Sun casino — to buy Lincoln Park and spend $220 million on renovations aimed at providing “a first-class casino experience” at the track-cum-slot parlor.

The bankruptcy filing was not a surprise. The owners defaulted on their loans in March 2008. The following September, Moody’s Investor Service downgraded their credit rating, citing a “high probability of bankruptcy.”

http://www.projo.com/news/content/TWIN_RIVER_BANKRUPTCY_06-24-09_5OEQH0L_v40.3bfc423.html

Would we love the Kennedys more or less had they been more like the Corleones, and taken their enemies out?

Oh, wait - I meant, "like the Johnsons."

Lyndon Johnson did IN FACT behave like a mafia don. Always wanting kick backs, protection money, bribes, the guy was probably committing a felony a day. Then he would murder to cover up his tracks when necessary, with his own personal hit man Malcolm Wallace. And for the Big Event, LBJ would call in his big mob/CIA friends to do the dirty work. Johnson = Corleone. Without the slightest bit of exaggeration.

I think you have this whole idea turned upside down. It is the Kennedy family that has links and ties to organized crime.

Look at Joseph Linsey. He was a top contributor to Edward Kennedy's senatorial campaign in 1976. Linsey was a Massachusetts "boot legger" with close ties to Meyer Lansky and Resorts International. Linsey owned a liquor distributing company "Crown and Whitehall". His chief salesman was a man named Mike Rocco. Rocco was described by the McClellan Committee as a "collection man for the mob".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Linsey

Here is their activity of a more recent vintage. Al Ross nephew to Joseph Linsey. The mob is moving in on LBJ's home state of Texas.

From all accounts, Ross is Mr. Greyhound himself. At 57 he operates five successful greyhound tracks in Rhode Island, South Dakota and Colorado. He is the chairman of the American Greyhound Council, former president of the American Greyhound Track Operator's Association and a founder of the Greyhound Hall of Fame in Abilene, Kansas.

When Holtzman was searching the country for a consultant on how to run a greyhound race track, he sought out experts for recommendations. "Al Ross was head and shoulders above the rest."

Ross was hired under a five year contract that will see his annual salary increase from $150,000 to $185,000 a year.

Ross has no equity investment in the track and his uncle has absolutely no connection with it, according to Holtzman and Steen.

Holtzman said the only record Linsey has is that he was arrested for bootlegging in 1926.

Holtzman said some of his competitors seeking the Galveston track have been "dragging muck up" by turning everybody's attention onto Ross' uncle, who will be 90 in May.

And because of the negative publicity generated over his uncle, Ross is almost ready to quit, Holtzman said.

Linsey was described as the "front man" for the "New England mob" and a friend of the late organized crime boss Raymond Patriarca in Vincent Teresa's 1973 best selling book, "My Life In The Mafia. " Linsey has constantly denied any association or business dealings with organized crime figures, despite his name being mentioned in summaries of FBI wire taps of Patriarca.

However, Linsey and Ross were granted a license by Rhode Island to operate Lincoln Greyhound Park following an investigation by state police into Linsey's alleged organized crime links. In addition, Ross and Linsey have been licensed to operate tracks following similar investigations by state agencies in Colorado and South Dakota.

According to officials in Rhode Island, Ross has been an exemplary operator of Lincoln Greyhound Park, the state's only greyhound track.

"He's a first class operator. He has turned around an outdated horse track into a first class, modern greyhound racing facility," said Robert Gentile, of the division of racing and athletics of Rhode Island's Department of Business Regulation. "He also operates a number of other greyhound tracks in other states."

http://www.chron.com/CDA/archives/archive.mpl/1989_619693/run-for-the-races-track-league-city-racing-site-ha.html

While I believe that Johnson was a bastard, and got the orders to lay down on this thing , you sure have the ass for him.

I know you cited numerous books to support this.

Any reason , other than the truth in this matter for the full court press?

LBJ was always worried that he too would be killed. But the idea that LBJ was the mastermind behind Dallas is ridiculous.

Any connection to the notorious Franklin case that became public during the early 1990's? It makes you wonder.

MEDFORD, Ore. (AP) - James Auchincloss _ who as a boy carried the wedding train of his half sister Jackie up the aisle as she married John F. Kennedy _ was jailed Wednesday after admitting to possessing child pornography.

Auchincloss, 63, pleaded guilty to two felony counts of encouraging child sex abuse, the charge generally brought against people possessing child pornography, for having computer images of naked boys.

http://www.wtop.com/...104&sid=2026913

Auchincloss's co defendant Dennis Vickoren produced at show "Wild Life" dealing with issues facing "gay men".After his indictment the Southern Orgeon University canceled the show.

SOU suspends gay men's show after indictments

Provost office pulls plug on RVTV's 'Wilde Life"

By John Darling

Ashland Daily Tidings

October 30, 2009

Because of the indictment of its producer and host, the Rogue Valley Television show "Wilde Life" — about "issues facing gay men" — has been suspended by Southern Oregon University.

The half-hour show was hosted by Scott Clay, 55, who was fired in August from his job as chief planner for the city of Jacksonville when child pornography was found in his workplace computer. He was indicted Aug. 25 on a first-degree count of encouraging child sexual abuse and a second-degree count of the same charge. Both are felonies.

The show was produced by Dennis Vickoren, 62, of Eagle Point, who was indicted Aug. 26 on 30 felony counts of encouraging child sexual abuse for allegedly disseminating, duplicating and possessing child pornography.

The show was suspended by SOU Associate Provost Paul Steinle because of the indictments and will stay off the air "until it's resolved in court," Steinle said.

RVTV is a public access station and allows anyone in Jackson and Josephine counties to produce shows after taking training sessions, said Nena Heitz, RVTV director and administrative manager. It operates under the auspices of the university, and its office and studio are on the university campus.

Although there are no set rules on barring indicted persons from RVTV's airwaves, Steinle said "it's good sense." Neither Clay nor Vickoren could be reached for comment.

Sylvia McDaniel, executive director of Portland Community Media, which operates under the state government, said she cannot suspend a show unless lawbreaking occurs in the studio or within the context of the show.

"We manage the programs, not people's personal lives," McDaniel said, in a phone interview.

"We also go by their behavior in our facility," she added. "Producing the show 'Cannabis Common Sense' doesn't give them the right to stand in my parking lot and smoke dope."

"My jurisdiction is what goes on my channels, not what someone does outside my jurisdiction," McDaniel added. "Their personal lives are none of my business. I don't pull a show if it has nothing to do with the show."

The SOU Provost's office gave instructions, Heitz said, that the show needed to be suspended "until the situation is resolved." RVTV contacted the Provost's office when the arrests were made, she said, adding that the show has continued to air since the indictments — and the station has received many calls on the issue, with "a tremendous amount of support for Dennis and Scott and for what they're doing."

"They (the callers) think they're doing a great job and they ask if it (the charges) is true and we say we don't know," Heitz said.

RVTV in general "allows free speech," but, she said, it's run by a public university in a small town and is "a lot more conservative in approach." By contrast, some public access TV is much more liberal, including a "Nude News" show in New Jersey.

"We allow free speech here," she said, with usual FCC prohibitions on hate speech, obscenity and incitement to riot. Producers also may not try to sell goods or services.

Heitz said the show by Clay and Vickoren violated none of these standards, adding, "I'm remaining neutral. I always considered Dennis and Scott to be friends. When you work with people here, you become friends. I won't judge them unless they're found guilty."

Heitz said a similar situation arose about five years ago, when a producer of a show on rock bands had to be taken off the air because he had child pornography in his computer.

And where would we be if we didnt include "Dope" in this scenario?

http://www.statesman...07006/-1/update

Kennedy "in law" and Governor of California Arnold Schwarzenegger is pushing medical marijuana.

It's time to talk about legalizing pot says the nazi Arnold Schwarzenegger.

http://www.huffingto...t_n_197244.html

Who and what is the Kennedy family? Who do they really serve? Answer that question and you'll know who killed JFK back on 11/22/63.

At the bottom of one of the articles you cited is this little Copyright notice which you seem to have chosen to

totally ignore:

(Copyright 2010 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.)

Does this make our little muckraker guilty of violating U.S. Copyright laws? Tsk, Tsk!

A JFK conspiracy buff worrying about muckracking, now that's classic. <deleted>

Obama channels doped up British Rock Stars.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/yblog_upshot/20100907/el_yblog_upshot/obama-channels-hendrix-on-cr itics-they-talk-about-me-like-a-dog

Though Obama didn't acknowledge it, the line was a verbatim quote from "Stone Free," the first song Hendrix wrote after moving to England in 1966. "They talk about me like a dog," the song says. "Talkin about the clothes I wear. But they don't realize they're the ones who's square."

Any connection to the notorious Franklin case that became public during the early 1990's? It makes you wonder.

MEDFORD, Ore. (AP) - James Auchincloss _ who as a boy carried the wedding train of his half sister Jackie up the aisle as she married John F. Kennedy _ was jailed Wednesday after admitting to possessing child pornography.

Auchincloss, 63, pleaded guilty to two felony counts of encouraging child sex abuse, the charge generally brought against people possessing child pornography, for having computer images of naked boys.

http://www.wtop.com/...104&sid=2026913

Auchincloss's co defendant Dennis Vickoren produced at show "Wild Life" dealing with issues facing "gay men".After his indictment the Southern Orgeon University canceled the show.

SOU suspends gay men's show after indictments

Provost office pulls plug on RVTV's 'Wilde Life"

By John Darling

Ashland Daily Tidings

October 30, 2009

Because of the indictment of its producer and host, the Rogue Valley Television show "Wilde Life" about "issues facing gay men" has been suspended by Southern Oregon University.

The half-hour show was hosted by Scott Clay, 55, who was fired in August from his job as chief planner for the city of Jacksonville when child pornography was found in his workplace computer. He was indicted Aug. 25 on a first-degree count of encouraging child sexual abuse and a second-degree count of the same charge. Both are felonies.

The show was produced by Dennis Vickoren, 62, of Eagle Point, who was indicted Aug. 26 on 30 felony counts of encouraging child sexual abuse for allegedly disseminating, duplicating and possessing child pornography.

The show was suspended by SOU Associate Provost Paul Steinle because of the indictments and will stay off the air "until it's resolved in court," Steinle said.

RVTV is a public access station and allows anyone in Jackson and Josephine counties to produce shows after taking training sessions, said Nena Heitz, RVTV director and administrative manager. It operates under the auspices of the university, and its office and studio are on the university campus.

Although there are no set rules on barring indicted persons from RVTV's airwaves, Steinle said "it's good sense." Neither Clay nor Vickoren could be reached for comment.

Sylvia McDaniel, executive director of Portland Community Media, which operates under the state government, said she cannot suspend a show unless lawbreaking occurs in the studio or within the context of the show.

"We manage the programs, not people's personal lives," McDaniel said, in a phone interview.

"We also go by their behavior in our facility," she added. "Producing the show 'Cannabis Common Sense' doesn't give them the right to stand in my parking lot and smoke dope."

"My jurisdiction is what goes on my channels, not what someone does outside my jurisdiction," McDaniel added. "Their personal lives are none of my business. I don't pull a show if it has nothing to do with the show."

The SOU Provost's office gave instructions, Heitz said, that the show needed to be suspended "until the situation is resolved." RVTV contacted the Provost's office when the arrests were made, she said, adding that the show has continued to air since the indictments and the station has received many calls on the issue, with "a tremendous amount of support for Dennis and Scott and for what they're doing."

"They (the callers) think they're doing a great job and they ask if it (the charges) is true and we say we don't know," Heitz said.

RVTV in general "allows free speech," but, she said, it's run by a public university in a small town and is "a lot more conservative in approach." By contrast, some public access TV is much more liberal, including a "Nude News" show in New Jersey.

"We allow free speech here," she said, with usual FCC prohibitions on hate speech, obscenity and incitement to riot. Producers also may not try to sell goods or services.

Heitz said the show by Clay and Vickoren violated none of these standards, adding, "I'm remaining neutral. I always considered Dennis and Scott to be friends. When you work with people here, you become friends. I won't judge them unless they're found guilty."

Heitz said a similar situation arose about five years ago, when a producer of a show on rock bands had to be taken off the air because he had child pornography in his computer.

And where would we be if we didnt include "Dope" in this scenario?

http://www.statesman...07006/-1/update

Kennedy "in law" and Governor of California Arnold Schwarzenegger is pushing medical marijuana.

It's time to talk about legalizing pot says the nazi Arnold Schwarzenegger.

http://www.huffingto...t_n_197244.html

Who and what is the Kennedy family? Who do they really serve? Answer that question and you'll know who killed JFK back on 11/22/63.

Anybody can be arrested for having child porn on their comptuer, as it normally comes up in the course of any google search.

My question is why the local computer crime detectives and the feds, only go after child pornos, who should be targeted and arrested, but they don't bother with going after those who engage in bank fraud and other more common internet crimes that are just as signifiant as child porn.

Why not go after the Nigerian bank officicial scammers?

And why not target and go after those who hack web sites and take them down? Certainly that is a crime, isn't it?

And why not study the medical uses of pot and other drugs that are outlawed, laws that only support the criminal cartels and the lawyers and cops who make their living off of illegal drugs?

Why not make all such drugs available for study and use, and keep them out of the political arena?

I don't know.

Read the article.

McManus noted that the sentencing came two years after he told authorities that Auchincloss and Vickoren kept an extensive collection of child pornography in books, slides and computer files at Auchincloss' hillside bungalow.

And there may be more to the story

http://www.dailytidings.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20100218/NEWS02/2180309

Bill if youre looking for financial wrong doing then I suggest you read the Franklin Cover Up. Franklin was a failed credit union, looted by wealthy pedophiles and drug dealers who enjoyed a satanic ritual and murder here and there. Besides I am sure pedastry/pedophilia is a popular past time by Wall Street financiers. It goes with the territory. I am sure pot and other illegal drugs are also part of the Wall Street fun.

Here's former President of the NYSE Mr. Grasso meeting with the leaders of Columbia's drug army FARC. Grasso wanted to take them public.

http://img2.scoop.co.nz/stories/images/0202/feb12fab54a8589b4b0e.jpeg

lol I started an answer with ''Without having read the link. : Does it matter?''

Thought twice about posting.

However : What I was going to say was an Obama as president has important implications. He is human. ie Blacks are human. One could then even begin to consider neighbours as human.

He has brought some pretty ugly worms out of the woodwork, and while no JFK, serves to highlight contradictions. In this way his PRESIDENCY can be seen as progressive and even as a progression of Kennedy. His very existence is a testament to Kennedy and Civil Rights and its relationship with Capital.

The US is displaying more and more Imperial traits, to my mind alike the ancient formula that has kept the chinese civilisation in place for some 5000 years. One could also argue it has some roots in '' Visigoth Philosophy ''. basically summed up as ''nothing without gain''. Kennedy was striving to reflect a globally moral stance which has predictable limitations of conflict in a bourgeois dictatorship.

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John,

This video tops your Sinead Oconnor.

SNL- The Sinatra Group

http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/the-sinatra-group/668225/

Any connection to the notorious Franklin case that became public during the early 1990's? It makes you wonder.

MEDFORD, Ore. (AP) - James Auchincloss _ who as a boy carried the wedding train of his half sister Jackie up the aisle as she married John F. Kennedy _ was jailed Wednesday after admitting to possessing child pornography.

Auchincloss, 63, pleaded guilty to two felony counts of encouraging child sex abuse, the charge generally brought against people possessing child pornography, for having computer images of naked boys.

http://www.wtop.com/?nid=104&sid=2026913

Auchincloss's co defendant Dennis Vickoren produced at show "Wild Life" dealing with issues facing "gay men".After his indictment the Southern Orgeon University canceled the show.

SOU suspends gay men's show after indictments

Provost office pulls plug on RVTV's 'Wilde Life"

By John Darling

Ashland Daily Tidings

October 30, 2009

Because of the indictment of its producer and host, the Rogue Valley Television show "Wilde Life" about "issues facing gay men" has been suspended by Southern Oregon University.

The half-hour show was hosted by Scott Clay, 55, who was fired in August from his job as chief planner for the city of Jacksonville when child pornography was found in his workplace computer. He was indicted Aug. 25 on a first-degree count of encouraging child sexual abuse and a second-degree count of the same charge. Both are felonies.

The show was produced by Dennis Vickoren, 62, of Eagle Point, who was indicted Aug. 26 on 30 felony counts of encouraging child sexual abuse for allegedly disseminating, duplicating and possessing child pornography.

The show was suspended by SOU Associate Provost Paul Steinle because of the indictments and will stay off the air "until it's resolved in court," Steinle said.

RVTV is a public access station and allows anyone in Jackson and Josephine counties to produce shows after taking training sessions, said Nena Heitz, RVTV director and administrative manager. It operates under the auspices of the university, and its office and studio are on the university campus.

Although there are no set rules on barring indicted persons from RVTV's airwaves, Steinle said "it's good sense." Neither Clay nor Vickoren could be reached for comment.

Sylvia McDaniel, executive director of Portland Community Media, which operates under the state government, said she cannot suspend a show unless lawbreaking occurs in the studio or within the context of the show.

"We manage the programs, not people's personal lives," McDaniel said, in a phone interview.

"We also go by their behavior in our facility," she added. "Producing the show 'Cannabis Common Sense' doesn't give them the right to stand in my parking lot and smoke dope."

"My jurisdiction is what goes on my channels, not what someone does outside my jurisdiction," McDaniel added. "Their personal lives are none of my business. I don't pull a show if it has nothing to do with the show."

The SOU Provost's office gave instructions, Heitz said, that the show needed to be suspended "until the situation is resolved." RVTV contacted the Provost's office when the arrests were made, she said, adding that the show has continued to air since the indictments and the station has received many calls on the issue, with "a tremendous amount of support for Dennis and Scott and for what they're doing."

"They (the callers) think they're doing a great job and they ask if it (the charges) is true and we say we don't know," Heitz said.

RVTV in general "allows free speech," but, she said, it's run by a public university in a small town and is "a lot more conservative in approach." By contrast, some public access TV is much more liberal, including a "Nude News" show in New Jersey.

"We allow free speech here," she said, with usual FCC prohibitions on hate speech, obscenity and incitement to riot. Producers also may not try to sell goods or services.

Heitz said the show by Clay and Vickoren violated none of these standards, adding, "I'm remaining neutral. I always considered Dennis and Scott to be friends. When you work with people here, you become friends. I won't judge them unless they're found guilty."

Heitz said a similar situation arose about five years ago, when a producer of a show on rock bands had to be taken off the air because he had child pornography in his computer.

And where would we be if we didnt include "Dope" in this scenario?

http://www.statesmanjournal.com/article/20100907/UPDATE/100907006/-1/update

Kennedy "in law" and Governor of California Arnold Schwarzenegger is pushing medical marijuana.

It's time to talk about legalizing pot says the nazi Arnold Schwarzenegger.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/05/arnold-time-to-talk-about_n_197244.html

Who and what is the Kennedy family? Who do they really serve? Answer that question and you'll know who killed JFK back on 11/22/63.

But for all their promises of a clean, green future, Italy's windfarms have now acquired a somewhat dirtier whiff - as the latest industry to be infiltrated by the country's mobsters.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/earth/energy/renewableenergy/7981737/Mafia-cash-in-on-lucrative-EU-wind-farm-handouts-especially-in-Sicily.html

Murdoch learned his trade under the tutelage Lord Beaverbrook (Max Aitken).

http://www.evesmag.com/murdoch.htm

Lord Beaverbrook on the other hand was an intimate of Joseph Kennedy Sr.

"The friendship between Beaverbrook and the Kennedys dated back to the time Joe was ambassador in London. In 1956 Kennedy had endowed a Lord Beaverbrook chair at the University of Notre Dame. Now he wanted the favor returned. He asked Beaverbrook to arrange a meeting with Sir Winston Churchill who's support for Jack's presidential run the following year would be useful. But Kennedy had been a vigorous advocate of appeasement toward the Nazis in 1940, and both Randolph Churchill and his fathers private secretary Anthony Browne were fiercly opposed to the meeting.

....... Churchill decided that "If Max (Beaverbrook) attaches importance to it, I will go. But it must not appear in the press."

http://books.google.com/books?id=h_1JgryEAygC&pg=PA41&lpg=PA41&dq=lord+beaverbrook,+joe+kennedy+sr.&source=bl&ots=7S2_Hzyl0e&sig=bxdPBnvtow0XL09nABZZS8CIJSI&hl=en&ei=F_iETJ2yH9SpnQeoxeHYAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=5&ved=0CCcQ6AEwBA

Terry, could you give us your theory of what happened to JFK in a few words, or point us to somewhere you might have already discussed you beliefs? Your responses in this thread have gotten me curious.

thanks

Otto

JFK and RFK started their political career as "right wingers". Read the passage on page 399-400 from my previous post/link. Eleanor Roosevelt was a harsh critic of Jack Kennedy. She knew his father, and she knew what he represented.

"Mrs. Roosevelt had long despised Joe Kennedy. In the late 1930's she asked her husband why he had ever appointed that "awful" man as ambassasdor. Joe's attitude toward Jews, Nazi's and the war repulsed her, as did his criticism of Roosevelt's White House".

"Three times in nine months during 1958 Mrs. Roosevelt publicly challenged the Senators fitness to be President".

http://books.google.com/books?id=fxzd__gA_I4C&pg=PA399&lpg=PA399&dq=eleanor+roosevelt+exchange+of+letters+with+john+kennedy&source=bl&ots=b0e1M5_E4x&sig=rSuq1UVSPlSBZvy-S1rhY24YeqE&hl=en&ei=KsKBTN6XIou2ngfPuKhy&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CBsQ6AEwAQ

Mrs. Roosevelt represented the FDR wing of the Democratic party and Jack Kennedy wanted her support. Mrs. Roosevelt on the other hand went public with her distrust of the Kennedy political machine. This resulted in a confrontation of sorts between Eleanor Roosevelt and Senator Jack Kennedy.

Here is their exchange of letters.

http://www.nps.gov/archive/elro/teach-er-vk/lesson-plans/er-and-jfk.htm

JFK would switch his earlier political outlook to adopt a pro FDR policy for his Presidency. JFK would consciously revive the FDR legacy. His space program, his investment tax credit policy, were all features of the American system.

He would also win the support of Eleanor Roosevelt and the FDR democrats.

John Kennedy was not supposed to be President. His father had selected his older brother Joseph Kennedy for that job. John Kennedy was the sickly child who read the greek classics while recuperating. He also had the bitter experince of WWII and that effected his outlook. In other words he was the wrong Kennedy for the job. He broke with family tradition and with his political backers.

I believe Permindex was the apparatus deployed to murder John Kennedy. French Intelligence in 1967 issued a report identifying Permindex as the entity conduiting the money used to finance the assassination attempts against Charles De Gaulle. They were also indentified as being involved in the murder of Italian industrialist (and JFK collaborator) Enrico Mattei. Clay Shaw was a director of Permindex.

To me LBJ was scared. He knew what had been done to his boss and felt that the same fate awaited him if he crossed these guys.

Here is a skeptical look at the Permindex angle:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=917

Terry, also give us the reason WHY Permindex would have murdered JFK. I just think there is too much information out there indicating that Lyndon Johnson was not just deeply involved in the JFK assassination, but at the CENTER of the JFK assassination. Just look at the groups the Kennedys were at WAR with in fall 1963: they were at WAR with Lyndon Johnson (Robert Kennedy's efforts to knive LBJ with the media and the Senate/House investigating committees; they were at WAR with the CIA and there was Arthur Krock's open speculation of a CIA coup in print in the newspaper of record (then) the NY Times; they were at WAR with the mafia Carlos Marcello, Santos Trafficante, Jimmy Hoffa, Sam Giancana). And LBJ was the one to bring all the Kennedy haters together to take out the Kennedys by killing JFK. I do believe in heavy CIA involvement in the JFK assassination.

So what was the motives in Permindex to kill JFK? Who were the players, besides Clay Shaw, and what was they motive to kill John Kennedy?

And btw, Eleanor Roosevelt backed Adlai Stevenson over JFK in the 1960 Demo nominating process. Yes, she was not pro-Kennedy at that time, but she signed on for the general election.

Why did Permindex make repeated attempts on the life of Charles De Gaulle, and why kill Enrico Mattei, among others? Permindex was an off-shore assassination bureau used to kill national leaders who were acting in a manner the elites didnt like.

Why did one half of the boys from Kennedy Justice Department go over to run Meyer Lansky's/Resorts International's "INTERTEL"? Why did the other half go over to run Max Jacobs "Emprise" money laundering appartus?

The Kennedy political machine and John F. Kennedy are two different entities all together.

Your belief that Lyndon Johnson had the power and capability to assassinate an American president is just plain wrong. It's not only wrong it's a rediculous premise.

When Lyndon Johnson made his cryptic comment "We were running a damn Murder, Inc. in the Carribean" was he referring to Permindex?

I am not buying it Terry Mauro, re: Permindex. You did not tell me WHAT was JFK doing to offend the "powers that be" at Permindex. We know the wars - and I mean WARS - JFK was having with Lyndon Johnson in the fall of 1963 with Robert Kennedy doing everything he could to get LBJ kicked off the ticket or indicted. We know JFK was at WAR with the CIA, threatening to smash it into a 1,000 pieces and cast it to the wind, with OPEN speculation of a CIA coup in the NY Times. We know the blood hate that existed between Robert Kennedy and Jimmy Hoffa and Carlos Marcello who he deported in put into a Guatemalan jungle. So WHAT exactly was the bone of contention with JFK and Permindex?

Of course you're not buying it. You're deeply vested in your fantasy world "LBJ did it".

Why was Lincoln killed, McKinnley, Garfield? Why the attempted assassination of FDR? Why the murder of Enrico Mattei, the attempts on the life of Charles DeGaulle. Why the assassination in the late 1970's of Aldo Moro? Assassinations have been occuring for centuries.

You're problem is you're blind to real history and therefore a sucker for fairy tales.

Terry, could you give us your theory of what happened to JFK in a few words, or point us to somewhere you might have already discussed you beliefs? Your responses in this thread have gotten me curious.

thanks

Otto

JFK and RFK started their political career as "right wingers". Read the passage on page 399-400 from my previous post/link. Eleanor Roosevelt was a harsh critic of Jack Kennedy. She knew his father, and she knew what he represented.

"Mrs. Roosevelt had long despised Joe Kennedy. In the late 1930's she asked her husband why he had ever appointed that "awful" man as ambassasdor. Joe's attitude toward Jews, Nazi's and the war repulsed her, as did his criticism of Roosevelt's White House".

"Three times in nine months during 1958 Mrs. Roosevelt publicly challenged the Senators fitness to be President".

http://books.google.com/books?id=fxzd__gA_I4C&pg=PA399&lpg=PA399&dq=eleanor+roosevelt+exchange+of+letters+with+john+kennedy&source=bl&ots=b0e1M5_E4x&sig=rSuq1UVSPlSBZvy-S1rhY24YeqE&hl=en&ei=KsKBTN6XIou2ngfPuKhy&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CBsQ6AEwAQ

Mrs. Roosevelt represented the FDR wing of the Democratic party and Jack Kennedy wanted her support. Mrs. Roosevelt on the other hand went public with her distrust of the Kennedy political machine. This resulted in a confrontation of sorts between Eleanor Roosevelt and Senator Jack Kennedy.

Here is their exchange of letters.

http://www.nps.gov/archive/elro/teach-er-vk/lesson-plans/er-and-jfk.htm

JFK would switch his earlier political outlook to adopt a pro FDR policy for his Presidency. JFK would consciously revive the FDR legacy. His space program, his investment tax credit policy, were all features of the American system.

He would also win the support of Eleanor Roosevelt and the FDR democrats.

John Kennedy was not supposed to be President. His father had selected his older brother Joseph Kennedy for that job. John Kennedy was the sickly child who read the greek classics while recuperating. He also had the bitter experince of WWII and that effected his outlook. In other words he was the wrong Kennedy for the job. He broke with family tradition and with his political backers.

I believe Permindex was the apparatus deployed to murder John Kennedy. French Intelligence in 1967 issued a report identifying Permindex as the entity conduiting the money used to finance the assassination attempts against Charles De Gaulle. They were also indentified as being involved in the murder of Italian industrialist (and JFK collaborator) Enrico Mattei. Clay Shaw was a director of Permindex.

To me LBJ was scared. He knew what had been done to his boss and felt that the same fate awaited him if he crossed these guys.

Here is a skeptical look at the Permindex angle:

http://educationforum.ipbhost.com/index.php?showtopic=917

Terry, also give us the reason WHY Permindex would have murdered JFK. I just think there is too much information out there indicating that Lyndon Johnson was not just deeply involved in the JFK assassination, but at the CENTER of the JFK assassination. Just look at the groups the Kennedys were at WAR with in fall 1963: they were at WAR with Lyndon Johnson (Robert Kennedy's efforts to knive LBJ with the media and the Senate/House investigating committees; they were at WAR with the CIA and there was Arthur Krock's open speculation of a CIA coup in print in the newspaper of record (then) the NY Times; they were at WAR with the mafia Carlos Marcello, Santos Trafficante, Jimmy Hoffa, Sam Giancana). And LBJ was the one to bring all the Kennedy haters together to take out the Kennedys by killing JFK. I do believe in heavy CIA involvement in the JFK assassination.

So what was the motives in Permindex to kill JFK? Who were the players, besides Clay Shaw, and what was they motive to kill John Kennedy?

And btw, Eleanor Roosevelt backed Adlai Stevenson over JFK in the 1960 Demo nominating process. Yes, she was not pro-Kennedy at that time, but she signed on for the general election.

Why did Permindex make repeated attempts on the life of Charles De Gaulle, and why kill Enrico Mattei, among others? Permindex was an off-shore assassination bureau used to kill national leaders who were acting in a manner the elites didnt like.

Why did one half of the boys from Kennedy Justice Department go over to run Meyer Lansky's/Resorts International's "INTERTEL"? Why did the other half go over to run Max Jacobs "Emprise" money laundering appartus?

The Kennedy political machine and John F. Kennedy are two different entities all together.

Your belief that Lyndon Johnson had the power and capability to assassinate an American president is just plain wrong. It's not only wrong it's a rediculous premise.

When Lyndon Johnson made his cryptic comment "We were running a damn Murder, Inc. in the Carribean" was he referring to Permindex?

Terry, could you give us your theory of what happened to JFK in a few words, or point us to somewhere you might have already discussed you beliefs? Your responses in this thread have gotten me curious.

thanks

Otto

JFK and RFK started their political career as "right wingers". Read the passage on page 399-400 from my previous post/link. Eleanor Roosevelt was a harsh critic of Jack Kennedy. She knew his father, and she knew what he represented.

"Mrs. Roosevelt had long despised Joe Kennedy. In the late 1930's she asked her husband why he had ever appointed that "awful" man as ambassasdor. Joe's attitude toward Jews, Nazi's and the war repulsed her, as did his criticism of Roosevelt's White House".

"Three times in nine months during 1958 Mrs. Roosevelt publicly challenged the Senators fitness to be President".

http://books.google.com/books?id=fxzd__gA_I4C&pg=PA399&lpg=PA399&dq=eleanor+roosevelt+exchange+of+letters+with+john+kennedy&source=bl&ots=b0e1M5_E4x&sig=rSuq1UVSPlSBZvy-S1rhY24YeqE&hl=en&ei=KsKBTN6XIou2ngfPuKhy&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CBsQ6AEwAQ

Mrs. Roosevelt represented the FDR wing of the Democratic party and Jack Kennedy wanted her support. Mrs. Roosevelt on the other hand went public with her distrust of the Kennedy political machine. This resulted in a confrontation of sorts between Eleanor Roosevelt and Senator Jack Kennedy.

Here is their exchange of letters.

http://www.nps.gov/archive/elro/teach-er-vk/lesson-plans/er-and-jfk.htm

JFK would switch his earlier political outlook to adopt a pro FDR policy for his Presidency. JFK would consciously revive the FDR legacy. His space program, his investment tax credit policy, were all features of the American system.

He would also win the support of Eleanor Roosevelt and the FDR democrats.

John Kennedy was not supposed to be President. His father had selected his older brother Joseph Kennedy for that job. John Kennedy was the sickly child who read the greek classics while recuperating. He also had the bitter experince of WWII and that effected his outlook. In other words he was the wrong Kennedy for the job. He broke with family tradition and with his political backers.

I believe Permindex was the apparatus deployed to murder John Kennedy. French Intelligence in 1967 issued a report identifying Permindex as the entity conduiting the money used to finance the assassination attempts against Charles De Gaulle. They were also indentified as being involved in the murder of Italian industrialist (and JFK collaborator) Enrico Mattei. Clay Shaw was a director of Permindex.

To me LBJ was scared. He knew what had been done to his boss and felt that the same fate awaited him if he crossed these guys.

Robert,

Why not expand your understanding of history. The art of assassination didnt start in 1947 with the CIA.

Try understanding the reality of the Kennedy dynasty along with their political/financial backers.

http://books.google.com/books?id=fxzd__gA_I4C&pg=PA399&lpg=PA399&dq=eleanor+roosevelt+exchange+of+letters+with+john+kennedy&source=bl&ots=b0e1M5_E4x&sig=rSuq1UVSPlSBZvy-S1rhY24YeqE&hl=en&ei=KsKBTN6XIou2ngfPuKhy&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CBsQ6AEwAQ

Lyndon Johnson did not mastermind the JFK assassination. That's another cover story being sold to gullible suckers.

Robert,

You're spewing garbage. You have no evidence that LBJ was the mastermind behind the Kennedy assassination. The whole premise is ridiculous. LBJ is a small fry compared to the people that killed JFK. He is a small fry compared to the wealth and power behind the Kennedy dynasty.

Ronald Reagan was himself the target of assassination. Before Reagan no US President since the JFK assassination had served two terms in office. Look back at the 1960's and early 1970's and it is very obvious that this country was put through the meat grinder. The country was transformed from an industrial power to a junk heap that we see today.

You seem to know nothing of the Kennedy family. It was reported when Joe Kennedy Sr. died in 1969(?) that he left an amassed fortune of $500,000,000.00. Do you actually believe old man Kennedy accrued this fortune as the result of hard work? Don't be foolish. There is no way LBJ in any way was at the same level of the Kennedy family with regards to organized crime and dirty politics.

The Kennedy family to this day is a family who's wealth and political clout is derived from some very nasty people. Nasty people who promoted them into politics. LBJ is a saint compared to the Kennedy family and the power that sits behind them.

JFK was not supposed to become President. That job was slated for his older brother Joe Kennedy who was killed in WWII. JFK broke with family tradition and went with an FDR approach during his short tenure as President. Instead of tearing down the US economy he did everything he could to build it up. That was seen in his NASA-Appollo moon landing policy. In short JFK acted as an American President, like Roosevelt had done 30 years earlier and for that he was killed. Killed by the very same interests that had promoted him into office in the first place.

And speaking of Ronald Reagan. Back in 1983 when Reagan announced his adoption of the Strategic Defense Initiative ( a program to eliminate nuclear weapons) there was a huge freakout by the Mutually Assured Destruction crowd. They deployed everything they could to destroy this Reagan SDI policy (a policy JFK would have supported).One of the traitors in the US Senate, deployed to destroy Reagan's SDI on behalf of the MAD advocates was none other than Ted Kennedy. Ted Kennedy worked with the Soviet KGB and the US media in an attempt to destroy the SDI program.

Ted Kennedy by collaborating with his brothers killers was a traitor to both his brothers legacy and the United States. Such is the state of real politics in the United States. Not the fantasy you present.

http://www.americanthinker.com/Kennedropov.pdf

For being the mastermind LBJ sure seems to drop provocative hints at conspiracy.

LBJ/Walter Cronkite September 1969

In 1973 LBJ was at it again when he said in reference to the JFK murder "we were running a damn Murder Inc. in the Carribean".

He had a heart attack and died shortly thereafter.

Here is a prime example of this phenomenon. The clean cut Kennedy youth of the early 1960's go mad after being subjected to the repeated shock trauma of the assassination of JFK, RFK and MLK, the Vietnam War and the urban riots.

Kennedy youth gone mad.bmp

"Various beliefs can be implanted in many people after the brain has been sufficiently, disturbed by accidentally or deliberately induced fear, anger, or excitement. Of the results caused by such disturbances, the most common one is temporarily impaired judgement and heightened suggestibility. It's various group manifestations are sometime classed under the heading of "herd instinct" and appear most spectacularly in war time, during severe epidemics and in all periods of common danger which increase anxiety and individual and mass suggestibility."

Dr. William Sargent

Tavistock Institute

Similarly, Ms Mauro is at liberty to believe that there is an international conspiracy of Jews and the British Royal Family to take over the world

Tribe, I've never made any such claim. You're repeating the same line popularly expressed by drug pusher Dennis King and company.

You are a professor of history? How is it you know nothing of history?

And Ms Mauro thereby makes my point...

And how is that?

That you know nothing of history?

Tell us about the "Jew" and "British Royal family" conspiracy

"The so-called Zionist families are not a power on their own. They are deployed by the Monarchies of Europe, like the British monarchy. They were called "hofjuden" (court Jews). But they're cut outs or front men for these European oligarchical families who hate the United States and have always hated the United States."

Terry Mauro, The Education Forum, 22nd July, 2010

You're reaching Tribe. You might take a course in remedial reading.

The word "hofjuden" existed centuries ago. It means "court Jews". This name was given to individuals and families with Jewish surnames that ingratiated themselves with the various European Monarchies ( maybe you'll tell us Europe was not dominated by monarchies).

Yes Tribe the Monarchies of Europe hated the idea of a United States. Or maybe you'll tell us that the American Revolution, and the War of 1812 are also a figment of imagination.

Origin: Hoffman name is based on profession, trades occupations. The German term 'HOF' can mean a farmstead, also court. 'Jews at court' were called 'Hofjuden' in German and 'court jews' in English. They were in finance, commerce, and diplomacy'. Hoffmann is a Jewish name from the 1808 in Eastern France and 1813 in Mecklenburg,Germany. This name is taken from a Hebrew given name Tikvah (Hope) abbreviation of 'Hoffnung' the German for hope in which case Hof(f)mann could mean 'hopeful man

Surnames: Gofman, Hoffman, Hofman

Submitted by: Rose Hoffman

Similarly, Ms Mauro is at liberty to believe that there is an international conspiracy of Jews and the British Royal Family to take over the world

Tribe, I've never made any such claim. You're repeating the same line popularly expressed by drug pusher Dennis King and company.

You are a professor of history? How is it you know nothing of history?

And Ms Mauro thereby makes my point...

And how is that?

That you know nothing of history?

Tell us about the "Jew" and "British Royal family" conspiracy

Similarly, Ms Mauro is at liberty to believe that there is an international conspiracy of Jews and the British Royal Family to take over the world

Tribe, I've never made any such claim. You're repeating the same line popularly expressed by drug pusher Dennis King and company.

You are a professor of history? How is it you know nothing of history?

Why is this game being played, attacks in London and Madrid, New York and Detroit now, why the games?

It's the unleashing of "iregular warfare" against nation states.

Steve,

Is this the subliminal message embedded in the Beatles song by Sir George Martin?

After the thread lay dormant for 9 days, you just had to mount up that ol' dead horse and try to make him race one more time, eh Len?

Maybe you should switch hands with the riding crop; I hear sometimes it helps.

Colby is so giddy at the prospect of being considered an all powerful and mighty Oz that he couldnt resist temptation.

You may also notice that Colby has been tapping on the shoulder of Greg Parker and a few others trying to revive his game of "tit for tat", that sterile formalist game a semantics he's famous for. I suggest he's bored and looking for a game from whatever quarter he can find.

Boring.