Steve Thomas

Jack Crichton also authored a book on 1964 Texas politics. That would be very interesting to read, I think. The Republican-Democrat political campaigns in Texas in 1964 Author: Jack Crichton Publisher: [Texas] : J. Crichton, 2003. Edition/Format: Print book : English Database: WorldCat Steve Thomas

Paul, Yes, I have. Why do you ask? I'll ask this. People mention that Crichton and Lumpkin and Whitmeyer, etc. all say that they were members of the "Reserves". I want to know the "Reserves" of what? To what division, or army did they belong? I've learned that the Reserves in Texas had three major units: the 36th Division, the 49th and the 90th Infantry. Did the people I mention belong to any of those? The reason I ask, is that I spoke to a retired colonel in the reserves, and he told me that Whitmeyer's identification of "east Texas sector commander", or U.S. Army, Dallas Sub-section Commander didn't mean anything to him. Now, he belonged to the Active Army Reserves, so maybe Whitmeyer and Crichton and Lumpkin were buried somewhere in the Texas National Guard, or the Texas State Guard, I don't know, but I'd like to find out. He also scoffed, when I told him that Crichton was supposed to be heading a Military Intelligence Detachment of about 100 men. He explained that Military Intelligence Detachments were about the size of a rifle squad. 90% of the MID's in the United States had 9 men in them. He said that this sounds more like a social club than an MID. If Crichton was gathering intelligence, who was he reporting that intelligence to? Steve Thomas

Sandy, Whoops. You're right. Sorry about that. Steve Thomas

Thomas, As far as Duran and Ascue, yeah, I really haven't read into that very much, so I didn't know how they described the "Oswald" they dealt with. Positing the "quasi-identity", Yeah, I was toying with the idea that the 5'10" 165 lb guy was being used to set up LHO, but in turn, he was being used as the fall guy for the assassination. Sort of a double blind if you will. Like I said, my logic could be way off, and that's okay. But how could the physical description be so way off? 131 lbs is a runty little guy. No, I haven't read Bill's State Secrets. I have a lot to learn. Steve Thomas PS: I was reading some of Weisberg's stuff the other day, and he said that he believed that LHO was sent down to Mexico to investigate a drug deal that Tippitt and Rose Cheramie were involved in. Can't say I ever heard that one before.

Thomas, I'm sure that the Active Army Counter Intelligence Corps would have been privy to that description of "someone". You called it a "purposefully-inaccurate description of LHO". I haven't worked this out in my own mind yet, so please forgive me if my logic is way off, but I'm wondering if someone, either the CIA or military intelligence, or both, wasn't compiling a dossier on a 5'10" 165 lb LHO. Was that who got sent down to Mexico City? We know that Hoover said the tape recordings of the Mexico City intercepts were not the voice of the man the police had in custody, and we know that the CIA provided bogus photographs of the man outside the embassy, so who was the man that got sent down there? You wrote: "that might explain why DPD Officer Herbert Sawyer was given an inaccurate description of the scapegoated Lee Harvey Oswald." What if Sawyer was given an accurate description of a "scapegoat", a "patsy", but the patsy wasn't LHO? What if they were setting up this 5'10" 165 lb "light-brown haired Harvey Lee Oswald as the patsy? Is it possible that the 5'9" 140 lb guy that got arrested in the Texas Theater got swept up in the efforts to impersonate him (like the Sports Drome shooting range and the car test driving and the "Mrs Whitworth, Furniture Mart trying to get a gun repaired" incidents? But when Tippit got shot, and the real LHO got arrested, it gummed up the whole works. They had to make the Harvey Lee guy scarce. You couldn't have the real LHO and his doppelganger on the scene at the same time, even if the doppleganger was the patsy initially. Like I said, my logic may be way off. Steve Thomas

Larry, I have not researched the following question, so I'm just asking; but didn't Sylvia Duran talk about interviewing a blond-headed LHO down in Mexico City? Did she provide a height and weight description too? I've never really looked into the cables coming out of Mexico City, so maybe someone else who has researched this can chime in. It would be interesting to learn if the Harvey Lee Oswald was described as 5'10" weighing 165 lbs. Greg Parker pointed out to me that the FBI reports coming out of New Orleans in August, '63 were describing LHO as 5'9" weighing 140 lbs and having "light-brown" hair. As far as the door stop, Thomas Kelley wrote in his Oswald interrogation report of November 24th that's in Appendix XI of the WR, that Oswald supposedly said that he had been stopped at the front door by a policeman and his (Oswald's) boss. Since I seriously doubt that Oswald talked to one of his fellow employees after he left the TSBD, there is no way he could have known about a policeman and Truly being together at the front door unless he had actually seen them there. Which means that he didn't "immediately flee the scene" as we've been led to believe. If you believe Lumpkin, he wrote in his after-action report, that he posted Lt. Kaminski at the front door taking names and addresses, and Truly was verifying employment, after he (Lumpkin) arrived on the scene, which wasn't until 12:49 at the earliest. Steve Thomas

Jim, I personally think they got it off his Dallas library card. I think he was stopped at the front door by Lt. Kaminski and Kaminski asked him for some ID. The library card was the only thing he had on him with an address on it. I think Kaminski read it wrong and wrote down 605 instead of 602. Revill wrote a letter to Sorrells and told him that he (Revill) got it from Carroll, who read it off the library card in the car on the way back downtown from the Texas Theater, but I don't think that's true. Steve Thomas

Paul, I can't answer that, but I do know that Roy Truly screwed up when he testified to the WC. Who's the first person in authority that Truly spoke to about Oswald being "missing"? Colonel, George Lumpkin, Deputy Chief of the DPD, who also happened to be a Colonel in the Reserves. Truly told the WC: So I picked the phone up then and called Mr. Aiken, at the warehouse, and got the boy's name and general description and telephone number and address at Irving. Mr. BELIN. Now, would that be the address and the description as shown on this application, Exhibit 496? Mr. TRULY. Yes, sir. Mr. TRULY. Chief Lumpkin of the Dallas Police Department was standing a few feet from me. I told Chief Lumpkin that I had a boy missing over here "I don't know whether it amounts to anything or not." And I gave him his description. Representative FORD. In your description of Oswald to Captain Fritz, did you describe the kind of clothes that Oswald had on that day? Mr. TRULY. I don't know, sir. No, sir; I just told him his name and where he lived and his telephone number and his age, as 23, and I said 5 feet, 9, about 150 pounds, light brown hair--whatever I picked up off the description there. I did not try to depend on my memory to describe him. I just put down what was on this application blank. That's the reason I called Mr. Aiken, because I did not want to mislead anybody as to a description. I might call a man brown-haired, and he might be blonde. The problem is, that his job application doesn't say anything about Oswald's hair color. CE 496 Oswald's TSBD job application https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=1134#relPageId=236&tab=page Look at page 2 of that cable I referenced. Harvey Lee is described as having "light brown hair." That's not the hair color of the guy that got arrested at the Texas Theater. Oswald's mug shot https://www.google.com/search?q=Oswald+"mugshot"&client=opera&hs=yI&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjKooDR35fSAhVl64MKHSm_AZ8QsAQIHg&biw=1600&bih=791 http://www.mugshots.org/criminals/lee-harvey-oswald.html They always tell you when you get on the witness stand, don't volunteer anything. Steve Thomas

There have been references on several threads about a cable sent on the evening of 11/22 from Fort Sam Houston to Strike Command, McDill AFB in Florida. In the cable, reference was made, to information obtained by Detective Don Stringfellow of the Dallas Police Department. I managed to locate a copy of the cable, which you can find here: https://archive.org/details/nsia-ArmyIntelligenceJFK I think this is in the Weisberg collection. If you can't pull it up, let me know. Before I leave this, I'm sort of thunderstruck by the possibility that the police were looking for the wrong guy - or least a different guy! 1) Note the reference in the cable to Harvey Lee Oswald 2) Earlene Roberts told the WC that when the police came to 1026 N. Beckley, they were trying to find a guy named Harvey Lee Oswald 3) The list of TSBD employees prepared for Gannaway by Westphal and Parks thru Revill on Friday afternoon listed Harvey Lee Oswald at 305 Elsbeth 3) In the cable referenced above, Harvey Lee Oswald was described as 5'10" tall, 165 lbs, with blue eyes 4) The initial description broadcast over the DPD radio was for a suspect 5"10" tall weighing 165 lbs and nobody knows where that description came from 5) I once posed the question, "How did the police first learn of the 1026 N. Beckley address?". Fritz told the WC that some officer (whose name he couldn't remember) stopped him out in the hall before he went in to talk to LHO for the first time, and told him that Oswald lived on Beckley. My conclusion then, was the information came from source in military intelligence. Others have come to the same conclusion. http://www.jfkassassinationforum.com/index.php?topic=8636.0;wap2 I don't know what this all means. What I am thinking right now is that members of the U.S. Army Reserves (in some capacity, whether it was Crichton's mythical 488th or not) had put together a dossier of a blue-eyed, 5'10" 165 lb Harvey Lee Oswald that they handed over to the Dallas Police Department, They told the police, "This is the guy you're looking for. He lives over on Beckley" Steve Thomas

Gary, Thank you for this. I appreciate it. Steve Thomas

Joe, Ah Hah! I knew it all along! *smile* This Is Not America 1 THIS IS NOT AMERICA The assassination of President John F. Kennedy Philip Coppens © Philip Coppens 1993, 2004 This Is Not ...» -- [ Page 29 ] -- http://www.dissertation.xlibx.info/d1-other/2126128-29-this-not-america-this-not-america-the-assassination-president-jo.php " On November 22, J. Edgar Hoover ‘helped’ the plotters by falsely alleging Oswald had made several trips to Cuba and that, upon his return, he had been questioned about why he had gone to Cuba. Perhaps not strangely, Hoover, since 1922, was a reserve Lt. Col. in the Army’s Military Intelligence Division." Steve Thomas

Paul, One of the most informative things I've read in a while is CD 852 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=11249 DOD Bartimo Letter of 24 Apr 1964 with Attachments Starting on about the third page or so of this document is a copy of Army Regulation 195-10 which spells out how the Army was supposed to liaison with other agencies. It talks about the Army, Navy, Air Force and FBI, but interestingly enough, leaves out the Secret Service. Look at Paragraph (9)(c)(1)(a) on the bottom of Page 5 of this CD. It says how Army Commanders are supposed to establish policies to establish "effective liaison" with other agencies and specifically mentions the ATTU. As I sit here, I don't know if the FBI or the ATTU has such a Regulation they were supposed to be operating under. Steve Thomas

"This begins to make a whole lot more sense and also becomes much less mysterious (darn).... " *smile* The cable we have on hand is a message dated November 26, 1963 from the Commanding General, U.S. Continental Army Command re-transmitting a message dated November 23, 1963 from someone at Fort Sam Houston, in San Antonio to CINC U.S. Strike Command at McDill Air Force Base in Florida. The November 23rd message summarizes a telephone conversation between a Captain Saxton in Strike Command and a Lieutenant Colonel Fons, Deputy Chief of Staff, Intelligence at 4th Army Headquarters at Fort Sam Houston that took place on November 23, 1963 So, someone (name unknown) transmits a message to CINC at McDill in Fl. summarizing a phone call placed by Lt. Col Fons (there's those damn colonels again) to Captain Saxton at Strike Command in Florida. Fort Sam Houston send a message to McDill on 11/23 summarizing a phone call from Fons at Houston to Saxton at McDill. Somehow, Washington has a copy, and on 11/26 re-transmits the 11/23 back to McDill. Why? If the 11/26 cable is a re-transmission of an 11/23 cable from San Antonio to Florida, why is Washington sending the cable back to Florida? That's got me scratching my head. Going by memory, the call from Fons to Saxton took place in the late evening of the 22nd. (I wish I had kept a copy of the cable). (I'd like to see the original 11/23 cable too.) I agree, they should have called either Fons or Saxton or Stringfellow to testify. "Is this an accurate summary of your phone conversation?" "What did you say to him, and what did he say to you?" The notes I have say, " In the middle of this summary, there is this passage: “ASSISTANT CHIEF DON STRINGFELLOW, INTELLIGENCE SECTION, DALLAS POLICE DEPARTMENT, NOTIFIED 112TH INTC GP, THIS HQ, THAT INFORMATION... Did Stringfellow call San Antonio directly? If so, I wonder why he didn't just tell somebody at the 112th right there in Dallas. Without any written or testimonial record from Fons or Saxton or Stringlfellow, all we are left with is he said/he said. Steve Thomas

Paul, I have just recently become aware (within the last couple of days) of a book by Peter Dale Scott, entitled Dallas '63. This seems to only be available in electronic format (Kindle and e-book) http://www.worldcat.org/title/dallas-63-the-first-deep-state-rovolt-against-white-house/oclc/918555175&referer=brief_results You can see a preview of the book here: https://books.google.com/books?id=-BlZCgAAQBAJ&pg=PT141&lpg=PT141&dq="Frank+Brandstetter"&source=bl&ots=kPqBITG_dz&sig=4UYdsfrkg7QNunrGO-Jxfa9Nfsw&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiA8IvO6pLSAhWl14MKHU1ZAkU4FBDoAQgsMAQ#v=onepage&q="Frank Brandstetter"&f=false Unforuntately, the pages in this preview are not numbered, but I'd encourage you to read the paragraph following footnote# 7. Mr. Scott talks about the confluence of the right wing and certain elements in the military establishment. He references the cable that went out to McDill Strike Force command in Florida in the hours immediately following the assassination, and the idea that "somebody" was trying to start WW III. Scott also talks about the "frantic" efforts to find Curtis LeMay in the hours after the assassination. The editor of the book says that in the middle chapters of Scott's book, Scott focuses on his shift from examining CIA files to looking at military records. I'll have to see if I can get a copy of this book. Steve Thomas

It just struck me that USA as an originating Agency could stand for U.S. Army. Steve Thomas

To Larry Hancock, Larry, Something has been bugging me for a couple of days. When he was testifying before the HSCA, Col. Jones was asked about a "secret cable" that Jones said originated from the Chief of Staff, Intelligence, Fort Sam Houston and was "prepared by a Mr. Arthur Nagle." Jones said that the cable did not originate from the 112th and that, "I take no pride in authorship of it." testimony before the HSCA on April 20, 1978. (History Matters Archive – Unpublished testimony of Robert Jones, pp. 55-57. http://www.history-matters.com/archive/jfk/hsca/unpub_testimony/Jones_4-20-78/html/jones_0055a.htm This is the cable that said Oswald had defected to Cuba and that he was a card carrying member of the Communist party, blah, blah, blah. My questions are: 1) How did the HSCA get a hold it? 2) If the cable didn't originate from the 112th, who did it originate from? Who is Arthur Nagle? 3) If it didn't come from the 112th, how do we know it's genuine? Peter Dale Scott references it in his books, and people seem to take its authenticity for granted, but, I'm beginning to wonder. The RIF for this document reads as follows: AGENCY INFORMATION AGENCY : USA RECORD NUMBER : 197-10002-10369 RECORDS SERIES : HEADQUARTERS FILES, PENTAGON TELECOMMUNICATIONS CENTER DOCUMENT INFORMATION ORIGINATOR : COMMANDING GENERAL US CONTINENTAL ARMY COMMAND FROM : These seem to me to be extremely hazy originators. (Agency: USA?) (Originator: Commanding General US Army Continental Army?) As far as I know, there is no such person. I have a summary of the cable in my files, but not the actual cable itself. Could you or someone else provide a copy? I'm doing something wrong. If I go to the NARA, all I can pull up right now is the cover sheet for RECORD NUMBER : 197-10002-10369 Thanks, Steve Thomas Thanks, Steve Thomas

My apologies to Bill Kelly. Topic: Col. Frank M. Brandstetter Started by William Kelly, November 28, 2010 Education Forum December 4, 2010 "I think I might have to start a file on just Colonels, just to keep track of them." Steve Thomas

Paul, No. I'm sorry. I don't know anything about this. Steve Thomas

Joe, You do very well. Steve Thomas

Headquarters Department of the Army 26 July 1967 General Orders No. 33 https://www.apd.army.mil/epubs/DR_pubs/DR_a/pdf/web/go6733.pdf Page 5 V. Legion of Merit. By direction of the President...for exceptionally meritorious conduct in the performance of outstanding service is awarded to... Colonel George L. Lumpkin. Intelligence and Security, United States Army, July, 1960 – June, 1967 Steve Thomas

Paul, Thanks. I once wrote that noone can understand the domestic surveillance by U.S. Intelligence Agencies in the 1960's without reading about the Army Spy scandals in the 1970's. The Army's Counter Intelligence Corps (CIC) far outstripped anything the FBI was doing.I'd encourage people to read here:http://www.cmhpf.org/Random Files/senator sam ervin.htm"According to Pyle, the U.S. Army Intelligence Command for the Continental United States ("CONUS intelligence") included more than one thousand undercover agents operating in a nationwide system with more than three hundred offices. Agents sent their reports through a national teletype network to Fort Holabird, Maryland, where the Army kept its central computer." Brandstetter talked about the "Central Index of Subversive Files", and Pyle talks about the "Compendium" or the "Vault Files" that Robert Jones talked about in his HSCA testimony. You're right about the "lack of reliable information" and the "misdirection". To paraphrase something Larry Hancock once said, the speed and frequency with which the various military units changed who they reported to makes it really hard to follow the flow of information in a linear fashion. Plus the Army purged its records in a pretty dramatic way following those spy scandals I referenced above. As Col. Robert Jones told the HSCA, he would have kept the Oswald files for historical purposes if nothing else, but it wasn't his decision to make. I think that one of the reasons that people have latched on to the CIA and the FBI over the years as scapegoats, is that there is a paper trail to follow. With the military and the Secret Service, you just hit a brick wall. They either dragged their feet, or flat out refused to comply with people like the ARRB. You asked about General Walker. I was reading the other day about someone approaching him and asking him if he wanted to get involved in the "Cuban cause", and he said no, he didn't want to get bogged down in the small stuff - he wanted to devote himself to defeating communism "everywhere". ( or something along those lines *smile*). I think he looked at the people involved - Hemming, et.al. and saw the whole venture as pretty Mickey Mouse stuff, and wouldn't touch it. With respect to the Joint Chiefs, no, they were Active Army. The people I was looking at were in the Reserves. A whole different realm. As someone pointed out to me, the Active Army is a full time job. The Reserves are a part-time job with another life in the "civilian" world. As far as the "connections between the "colonels" and the "generals", in many cases, the "colonels" were the "generals. What I didn't include in my post was how high up Castorr rose in the National Federation of Independent Business. What started out as a small organization to help small business, quickly became an organization worth millions and millions of dollars, funded by people like the Koch Bros. Or Crichton heading some company (I forget which one right now) that, at one time, was something like the fourth highest stock traded on the New York Stock Exchange. A couple of the people I mentioned in my post were associated with the oil and gas industry - Crichton, Logue, Castorr. January 27, 1998December 31, 1998 These guys are the military-industrial complex. Steve Thomas

Over the years, a number of groups, or at least rogue elements of those groups have been floated as suspects in the assassination of JFK. These have included the CIA, the mob, the right wing, etc. However, I believe that there was another group of people who seem to appear in key circumstances associated with this event; and these are colonels in the U.S. Army Reserves, and more specifically the intelligence services of that military mileau. I don't believe that this group of people have been examined in any organized way before. I can't point to anything specific, but I get the impression in my readings that the military intelligence people did not hold the CIA in any high regard. They saw the CIA as a bunch of cowboys. These Reservists include among others: Jack A. Crichton, George L. Whitmeyer, George Lumpkin ,Lester Logue. L. Robert Castorr, and I'll float another name; Colonel Frank M. (Maryan) "Brandy" Brandstetter I can't be sure that these individuals were part of the U.S. Army's Active Reserves, or were part of the Reserve units attached to the State of Texas. The reason I say this is because, at various times, Lt. Col. Whitmeyer has been identified as: “Lt. Col. George L. Whitmeyer, deputy East Texas sector commander “Colonel Wiedemeyer who is the East Texas Section Commander of the Army Reserve “Lt. Colonel George Whitmeyer, U.S. Army, Dallas Sub-section Commander.” I spoke to a retired U.S. Army Reserve colonel and he told me that these designations are unknown to him and are not part of the Army's TOE or Table of Expenditures. Another suggestion is that these Reserves were not part of the U.S. Army's Active Reserve system, but were part of the reserve forces of the State of Texas. If anyone knows the specific regiment, division, or Army Corps these people belonged to, please let me know. https://tmd.texas.gov/ The Texas Military Department is composed of the three branches of the military in the state of Texas. These branches are the Texas Army National Guard, the Texas Air National Guard, and the Texas State Guard. All three branches are administered by the state Adjutant General, an appointee of the Governor of Texas, and fall under the command of the Governor. A possible source of reference might be here: They are housed at the Texas State Library. Texas Adjutant General's Department: An Inventory of Texas State Guard/Texas Defense Guard/Texas State Guard Reserve Corps Records at the Texas State Archives, 1938-1983, undated (bulk 1941-1945) http://www.lib.utexas.edu/taro/tslac/30026/tsl-30026.html Jack Crichton: Lubbock Avalanche-Journal from Lubbock, Texas · December 5, 1967 Page 16 https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/6092576/ DALLAS (API — Col. Jack A.:, Crichton. commanding officer of) the 488th Military Intelligence Detachment, was awarded the Legion of Merit Monday night on' his retirement from the Army- Reserve after 30 years of service. The medal was presented in a ceremony by Col. Robert D. Of-; fer, commander of the VIII U.S. , Army Corps at Austin. An oil man and petroleum consultant, Crichton organized his Reserve unit in 1956 and has been its only commander. The award cited him for "exceptionally outstanding service" as commander and for the preparation of a series of military intelligence studies. Warren Commission Hearings. Vol. XIX p. 106 https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=43&search=Mamantov#relPageId=114&tab=page Ilya Mamantov identified Jack Crichton as a petroleum independent contractor, “and if I'm not mistaken he is connected with the Army Reserve, Intelligence Service.” Five minutes later, George Lumpkin called Mamantov. Thirty minutes before they called Mamantov however, he had called the FBI and offered his services because he knew Oswald and “knew of his background here in Dallas.” Crichton Legion of Merit Award See: https://books.google.com/books?id=ibtADE8gMeoC&pg=PA87&lpg=PA87&dq=%22Legion+of+Merit%22+Crichton&source=bl&ots=UsV17DJRk7&sig=sw-DLTVYZL9P6SKEfsWpeLEhvEg&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJruvqzcvRAhXKw1QKHbOTD2IQ6AEINzAF#v=onepage&q=%22Legion%20of%20Merit%22%20Crichton&f=false page 87 http://spartacus-educational.com/MDcrichton.htm In 1956 Crichton started up his own spy unit, the 488th Military Intelligence Detachment. Crichton served as the unit's commander under Lieutenant Colonel George Whitmeyer, who was in overall command of all Army Reserve units in East Texas. In an interview Crichton claimed that there were "about a hundred men in that unit and about forty or fifty of them were from the Dallas Police Department." From Bill Kelly. JFK Countercoup blog July 22, 2012 http://jfkcountercoup.blogspot.com/2012/07/shenanigans-at-dallas-state-fairgrounds.html “On April 1, 1962, Dallas Civil Defense, with Crichton heading its intelligence component, opened an elaborate underground command post under the patio of the Dallas Health and Science Museum. Because it was intended for ‘continuity-of-government’ operations during an attack, it was fully equipped with communications equipment. Dallas Morning News 03-17-1960 Dallas Center Approved by Civil Defense www.civildefensemuseum.com “The Office of Civil Defense Mobilization announced Wednesday the approval of a $120,000 emergency underground operating center for the Dallas City-County Civil Defense and Disaster Commission. Under Plans formulated last year, OCDM and DallasCounty will match contributions of $60,000 for the center. The building will be constructed at Fair Park adjacent to the Health and Science Museum.” George Whitmeyer: (George Whitmeyer. Was passenger in the JFK motorcade pilot car.) "Mr. Lawson acknowledged that Lt. Col. George Whitmeyer, who was part of the Dallas District U.S. Army Command, who Lawson said "taught Army Intelligence"1/31/78 HSCA interview of Secret Service agent Winston Lawson (RIF#18010074-10396) Mary Ferrell database for Lt. Colonel George Whitmeyer: https://www.maryferrell.org/php/marysdb.php?id=10103 1963-1964 City Directories list George Whitmeyer as Area Commander USA Reserve Training Center. Whitmeyer is referred to in combined Batchelor, Lumpkin, and Stevenson, report to Curry as, “Lt. Colonel George Whitmeyer, U.S. Army, Dallas Sub-section Commander.” DPD Archives Box 14, Folder# 14, Item# 10 p. 20. https://jfk.ci.dallas.tx.us/box14.htm I believe that he taught at the Jules E. Muchert Army Reserve Center 10031 E. Northwest Highway, Dallas, TX. This Property was a part of the original boundaries of White Rock Lake Park. The City of Dallas sold the Property to the Federal Government in 1956 for an Army Reserve Training Center Site. http://www3.dallascityhall.com/committee_briefings/briefings0607/QOL_061107_muchert.pdf George Lumpkin: Was a passenger in the JFK motorcade pilot car with George Whitmeyer. p. 128. “As was common for Brandy, he received a fine commendation for his work from his commanding officer, at this time, Colonel George Lumpkin....” “In his civilian life, George Lumpkin was deputy chief of police in the City of Dallas...” When Jack Crichton was asked by the Dallas Police to find a Russian interpretor for Marina Oswald, Crichton asked George Lumpkin to call Ilya Mamantov. It was George Lumpkin who took command at the TSBD following the assassination and who Roy Truly first told that Lee Harvey Oswald was “missing”. Frank Brandstetter: Published on NYTimes.com from Sept.14 to Sept.15, 2011 See more at: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/nytimes/obituary.aspx?pid=153634344#sthash.woUiR4U2.dpuf Colonel Frank Maryan "Brandy" Brandstetter (U.S. Army Ret.) died in the Hospital Megallanes in Acapulco, Mexico on August 21, 2011 at age 99. - See more at: http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/nytimes/obituary.aspx?pid=153634344#sthash.woUiR4U2.dpuf After graduating from the U.S. Army Intelligence School, he was trained by British military intelligence before he parachuted with the 506th Airborne Infantry Regiment on D-Day and led his IPW (Interrogation of Prisoners of War) team into World War II. He served as General Matthew B. Ridgway's trusted aide with the XVIII Airborne Corps until the end of the war, then, with General Ridgway in the Mediterranean Theater of Operations, and finally with the original, five-nation United Nations Organization. His awards include the Silver Star and the Bronze Star. Brandy continued for 40 years in uniform as a U.S. Army Reservist frequently providing assistance to the Office of the Army Chief of Staff for Intelligence, the Defense Intelligence Agency, the FBI, and the CIA. Subsequently, Brandstetter unofficially provided reconnaissance services to the United States, primarily at his own expense, to China, Greece, Cyprus, Morocco, South Africa, Spain, Argentina, Yugoslavia, and many other hot spots at times when security threats were emerging. Brandy, Our Man in Acapulco: The Life and Times of Colonel Frank M. Brandstetter. A Biography by Rodney P. Carlisle and Dominic J. Monetta. University of North Texas Press, 1999. https://books.google.com/books?id=QLdqgDsVio4C&pg=PA122&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=3#v=onepage&q&f=false p. 118. “Brandy's move from San Francisco to Dallas resulted in his transfer from the Officers Reserve Control Group with the Sixth Army in San Francisco to one with the Fourth Army in San Antonio in the G-2 section.” p. 120. “...in December, 1951 he was assigned to reserve duty training in Dallas. In March, 1952 his file was submitted for a security background check. That work was finally completed on 30 June, 1953 and he was once again cleared for material up to and including Top Secret”. “Brandy soon began teaching and participating in a few courses in specialized intelligence studies. p. 120. Brandy wrote to Colonel J.P. Kaylor of the Fourth Army's G-2 section and “...suggested monthly or semi-monthly briefings in a private area “where classified material could be read and secured,” meetings with Civilian Defense Authorities for liaison in case of emergencies, and correspondence courses.” (See the entry for Crichton) pp. 127+ “after leaving Jamaica in early 1957, Brandy served as assistant troop commander and provost marshal of the Fourth U.S. Army Area Intelligence School for two weeks in August, 1957. These intelligence school sessions reviewed procedures and studies in a wide variety of areas for reserve intelligence officers including a review of a Central Index of Investigative and Domestic Subversive files. p. 128. “As was common for Brandy, he received a fine commendation for his work from his commanding officer, at this time, Colonel George Lumpkin....” “In his civilian life, George Lumpkin was deputy chief of police in the City of Dallas...” p. 121. “While at the Presidio, Brandy had prepared a draft of a Domestic Emergency Plan, which he revised and submitted in 1954 as part of the Cloverleaf I exercise, to G-2 of the Fourth Army Command in Dallas, Colonel M.H. Truly.” (Any relation to Roy Truly of the TSBD?) (Colonel M.H. Truly would submit a report on a UFO sighting in Texas and New Mexico in April, 1955 to the Assistant Chief of Staff, G2, Department of the Army.) http://ufologie.patrickgross.org/htm/foia24.htm “...in December, 1953 he (Brandstetter) and several other officers were attached to different units for the first three months of 1954 assigned as “Inspector/Advisors” " Colonel L. Robert Castorr: Would be linked to a gun running scheme to Cuba with Nancy Perrin Rich and Jack Ruby. The Mexia Daily News from Mexia, Texas · Page 1 November 7, 1957 https://www.newspapers.com/newspage/11876796/ (L. Robert Castorr) “Mr. Castorr. who is now a- colonel in the Active Reserve serving as inspector and advisor to the 90th Division in Texas...” Registrations by Lobbyists An article from CQ Almanac 1970 Following is a list of persons and organizations that filed lobby registrations from Dec. 23, 1969 (the date of adjournment of the First Session of the 91st Congress) to Jan. 3, 1971 (the date of adjournment of the Second Session of the 91st Congress) NATIONAL TAX ACTION INC., 1033 National Press Building, Washington, D.C. Filed 1/16/70. Registered for itself. Legislative interest—“Appropriations, taxation and economy in Government. In general, opposed to increased spending without more economy. Favor less international commitments, and less taxation.” Expenses—“Anticipated, $100 each for two agents, totaling $200 monthly to cover expenses.” Lobbyist—L. Robert Castorr, president, same address as employer. Filed 1/16/70. Legislative interest—“Economy in Government.” Frank Brandstetter: (A tantalizing side note): Brandy, Our Man in Acapulco: The Life and Times of Colonel Frank M. Brandstetter. A Biography by Rodney P. Carlisle and Dominic J. Monetta. University of North Texas Press, 1999. https://books.google.com/books?id=QLdqgDsVio4C&pg=PA122&source=gbs_toc_r&cad=3#v=onepage&q&f=false p. 117 In March, 1951, Brandy took over the management of the restaurant chain for Continental Trailways, a newly formed subsidiary of the Santa Fe Railroad. Trailways would become the nation's second largest bus company after Geryhound. Maurice Moore appointed Brandy as President of the restaurant subsidiary, Continental Restaurants. Continental was headquartered in Dallas, TX. Brandy planned the construction of new bus depots. Developed training and instruction manuals, and introduced pre-cooked frozen meals to smaller kitchens within a four hundred mile radius from a central kitchen in Dallas. He designed their logo, and raised sales from $215,000 in 1951 to $1,228,000 in 1953. p. 125. “General Carl L. Phinney, an attorney for Continental Trailways and commander of the Texas National Guard knew that Brandy was looking for new ventures.” Clint Murchison was a “member of the Board of Directors of Continental Trailways.” Warren Report p. 732. https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=946#relPageId=756&tab=page “On September 26, Oswald boarded Continental Trailways bus No. 5133 in Houston and departed at 2:35 AM for Laredo, TX...” Lester Logue: I saw Lester Logue identified as a Colonel somewhere, but for the life of me can't find it again. REPORT:INTERCONTINENTAL PENETRATION FORCES/NEUTRALITY MATTERS https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=44539&search=lester_logue#relPageId=3&tab=page Page 3 Met with Hemming in July, 1963 Also met with Hall and Seymour who left a trailer full of weapons at his house in October, 1963. I called this thread the Revolt of the Colonels because I am reminded so much of the Generals' Putsch in Algeria in April, 1961. While the four generals were the public face of the attempted coups d'etat, the driving behind it were the colonels and captains of the French armed forces.

Martin, If he doesn't respond, you might be interested in reading what Bill Kelly posted on his Countercoup2 blog back in 2015. It looks like he is quoting Philip Shenon - from "A Cruel and Shocking Act" (2013): “Goldberg took on several writing assignments. He wrote the special chapter that listed – and rebutted – every major rumor and conspiracy theory." Steve Thomas

Martin, I can't answer your question, but I ran across one person recently that I had never heard of before. His name is Dr. Alfred Goldberg. He sat in on Earlene Roberts' Warren Commission testimony. This article says that "he served as the Chief Historian for the Office of the Secretary of Defense for 34 years. Justice Earl Warren brought him onto the Warren Commission staff, where Dr. Goldberg served as a historical advisor and as co-author and co-editor of the Warren Commission Report." "From 1946 to 1965, Dr. Goldberg worked for the U.S. Air Force Historical Division as a senior historian." http://history.defense.gov/Multimedia/Biographies/Article-View/Article/571273/alfred-goldberg/ Why he's be sitting in on Earlene Roberts' testimony, and whether he attended any others, I don't know. Steve Thomas

Thomas, I think it was a typo for Byrd. In another document in the Weisberg archives, Forray was identified as married with children, and who later went to Puerto Rico. So, now I don't think it was David Ferrie. Steve Thomas