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    Oliver Stone's New JFK Documentaries and the Vietnam War

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    Paul J., I agree your above post- especially your last sentence.  Here is a part of a speech RFK made in Feb., 1968 in Chicago.."

    For years we have been told that the measure of our success and progress in Vietnam was increasing security and control for the population. Now we have seen that none of the population is secure and no area is under sure control.

    Four years ago when we only had about 30,000 troops in Vietnam, the Viet Cong were unable to mount the assaults on cities they have now conducted against our enormous forces. At one time a suggestion that we protect enclaves was derided. Now there are no protected enclaves.

    This has not happened because our men are not brave or effective, because they are. It is because we have misconceived the nature of the war: It is because we have sought to resolve by military might a conflict whose issue depends upon the will and conviction of the South Vietnamese people. It is like sending a lion to halt an epidemic of jungle rot.

    This misconception rests on a second illusion—the illusion that we can win a war which the South Vietnamese cannot win for themselves. You cannot expect people to risk their lives and endure hardship unless they have a stake in their own society. They must have a clear sense of identification with their own government, a belief they are participating in a cause worth fighting for…

    The third illusion is that the unswerving pursuit of military victory, whatever its cost, is in the interest of either ourselves or the people of Vietnam. For the people of Vietnam, the last three years have meant little but horror. Their tiny land has been devastated by a weight of bombs and shells greater than poopoo Germany knew in the Second World War. We have dropped 12 tons of bombs for every square mile in North and South Vietnam. Whole provinces have been substantially destroyed. More than two million South Vietnamese are now homeless refugees…

    We can and should offer reasonable assistance to Asia; but we cannot build a Great Society there if we cannot build one in our own country. We cannot speak extravagantly of a struggle for 250 million Asians, when a struggle for 15 million in one Asian country so strains our forces, that another Asian country, a fourth-rate power which we have already once defeated in battle, dares to seize an American ship and hold and humiliate her crew…

    These are some of the illusions which may be discarded if the events of last week are to prove not simply a tragedy, but a lesson: a lesson which carries with it some basic truths. First, that a total military victory is not within sight or around the corner; that, in fact, it is probably beyond our grasp; and that the effort to win such a victory will only result in the further slaughter of thousands of innocent and helpless people—a slaughter which will forever rest on our national conscience.

    Second, that the pursuit of such a victory is not necessary to our national interest, and is even damaging that interest.

    Third, that the progress we have claimed toward increasing our control over the country and the security of the population is largely illusory.

    Fourth, that the central battle in this war cannot be measured by body counts or bomb damage, but by the extent to which the people of South Vietnam act on a sense of common purpose and hope with those that govern them.

    Fifth, that the current regime in Saigon is unwilling or incapable of being an effective ally in the war against the Communists.

    Sixth, that a political compromise is not just the best path to peace, but the only path, and we must show as much willingness to risk some of our prestige for peace as to risk the lives of young men in war.

    Seventh, that the escalation policy in Vietnam, far from strengthening and consolidating international resistance to aggression, is injuring our country through the world, reducing the faith of other peoples in our wisdom and purpose and weakening the world’s resolve to stand together for freedom and peace.

    Eighth, that the best way to save our most precious stake in Vietnam—the lives of our soldiers—is to stop the enlargement of the war, and that the best way to end casualties is to end the war.

    Ninth, that our nation must be told the truth about this war, in all its terrible reality, both because it is right—and because only in this way can any Administration rally the public confidence and unity for the shadowed days which lie ahead.

    No war has ever demanded more bravery from our people and our Government—not just bravery under fire or the bravery to make sacrifices, but the bravery to discard the comfort of illusion, to do away with false hopes and alluring promises…”

    Later on in 1968, RFK was murdered.

     
     
     
     
     
     
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    Oliver Stone's New JFK Documentaries and the Vietnam War

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    Vietnam is doing business with many US companies..https://www.vietnam-briefing.com/news/why-vietnam-has-become-promising-alternative-for-us-businesses-in-asia.html/.  South Vietamese just wanted to do business deals and not  fight a war against North Vietnam.   The North Vietnamese were fighting for their freedom (from non -Vietnamese).  That is why North Vietnam won. When America fought the British for their independence, Americans were fighting against a major world power, but yet won.  The Americans were fighting for their freedom while the  British were fighting for economic reasons- that is why America won.  

    Simple proof that the Zapruder film has been altered.

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    Jonathan, it is hard to know what is is the mind of the conspirators.  But , I don't think they cared about what you brought up.  They just wanted to get the stories lined up  and in sync.  The lone nut , LHO , did the deed. He is dead now. That was easy to understand by the average American.   Move on.  And, that is how it went down.  There were a lot of tears for JFK, but people went back to school, to their jobs, etc.  

    Only a few people thought the Warren Commission was  a cover up.  Most people don't/did not have the time or resources to do their own investigation of the JFKA. For some people , such as John Newman, Bill Kelly and many people who contribute  to this website, the JFKA is a  very important event that needs to be better understood.  

     

    COUP IN DALLAS

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    This is from Spartacus (written by J. Simkin),,"

    In November, 1954, Barnes replaced General Lucian Truscott as head of CIA headquarters in Frankfurt. Several other CIA agents worked in Germany at this time including William Harvey, Ted Shackley, David Morales and Tom Parrott.

    After working in Germany (1954-1956) Barnes was made CIA station chief in London (1957-1959). He returned to the United States in 1960 to serve with the Directorate for Plans (the CIA's clandestine service and covert action arm) and helped Richard Bissell organize the Bay of Pigs operation. Within seventy-two hours all the invading troops had been killed, wounded or had surrendered. Bissell had a meeting with John F. Kennedy about the operation. Kennedy admitted it was his fault that the operation had been a disaster. Kennedy added: "In a parliamentary government, I'd have to resign. But in this government I can't, so you and Allen (Dulles) have to go."

    As Evan Thomas points out in The Very Best Men: "Bissell had been caught in his own web. "Plausible deniability" was intended to protect the president, but as he had used it, it was a tool to gain and maintain control over an operation... Without plausible deniability, the Cuba project would have turned over to the Pentagon, and Bissell would have have become a supporting actor."

    John F. Kennedy asked Maxwell Taylor to investigate what went wrong during the Bay of Pigs operation. Taylor asked Lyman Kirkpatrick, the CIA's inspector general, to write a report on the failed project. Kirkpatrick was highly critical of both Bissell and Barnes. He claimed that they had misled the president and that "plausible deniability was a pathetic illusion".

    In 1962 Barnes was placed in charge of Domestic Operations Division. Robert Morrow later claimed that Barnes recruited Richard Case Nagell and sent him to New Orleans in the summer of 1963. Barnes also asked Morrow to purchase several weapons: "I was told specially to get good ones, 7.35mm Mannlicher-Carcanos. A 6.5mm was not an accurate rifle at all, and not to be considered. I remember going to Sunny's Surplus up in Towson, Maryland. They had a whole wall of Mannlichers, Mausers, and other rifles. I picked out four, which I felt were pretty good." Morrow claimed that the rifles were picked up by David Ferrie in a private plane and taken to New Orleans."

    COUP IN DALLAS

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    Trump and his partners in crime challenged election results in the court systems in many states.  And, they lost all court  cases.  There was no fraud. Only feeble attempts to steal various state elections in key swing states.  Of course, where Trump won, there was no fraud - only states where Trump lost  .   Heads I win , tails you lose?

    Desmond FitzGerald

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    Benjamin, perhaps the JFKA was intended as a false flag operation, but I believe JFK was killed because the US Military/CIA wanted to escalate the war in Vietnam and JFK was against this escalation.  John Newman's " JFK and Vietnam"  led me to this belief. Maybe this is too big a leap from Newman's book, but that is what I think, for now. Also, alot of what Horne has presented supports my belief.

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