Ian Lloyd

I thought it had been determined (HSCA?) that the "sling" on the rifle in the BYPs was actually a piece of rope?

Captain Fritz testified to the Warren Commission that he took NO contemporaneous notes. He further testified that the "notes" he had were written "several days" afterward.

Good thing for DVP's side that he didn't "misremember" a single thing, the way Baker "misremembered" the encounter on either the second, third, or fourth floor....

As I recall, according to Harry Holmes from Larry Sneed's 'No More Silence', Holmes described himself and Fritz as having faultless memories, that they could interrogate someone without making notes and, when called to the stand in the subsequent trial, could recall perfectly everything that had been said!!!

I can't recall who it was now (Sean Murphy?), but a good case was made for Fritz's notes having been made not contemporaneously, but by using the LHO interrogation notes made by Holmes, Bookhout et al and scribbling down the pertinent points from them sometime later.

This is sad news. I exchanged correspondence and telephone conversations with Gary on many occasions over the past 30 odd years. He never failed to answer any questions I may have had or denied any help I needed whenever I asked.

R.I.P.

Hear hear...

It all boils down to semantics, I suppose...the official story has LHO being spotted by Baker as LHO passed by the window in a door. Now, if LHO was walking away from the door, then Baker sees him "walking away from the stairway". So, not necessarily a lie, but...

If I'd encountered someone inside a lunchroom (or any other specific room or area), I'd most likely describe it in those terms. That's not to say that everyone else would do the same, but, as an "ordinary Joe"...

A MISTAKE???? For Pete's sake, he only went up ONE floor! How could he possibly believe he had arrived at the 4th floor??

Funny thing, I was thinking about exactly that earlier today and was looking at the layout drawings for the TSBD...To go from the 1st floor to the 2nd floor meant ascending 2 relatively small flights of stairs. Also, if Baker encountered LHO in the lunchroom, why didn't he write that in his affidavit on the 22nd? Why say he "...saw a man walking away from the stairway."? Sure sounds to me like he/they encountered someone walking away from the stairway in an open area. Wouldn't he have said something like he stopped a man in a lunchroom if that was the case?

Tommy,

I wasn't picking you up on what you said, it was just my comment.

To be honest, I don't think I could tell one way or the other.

165lbs = 11st 11lbs. For a ~5'9" guy, that still may not be particularly large though.

Again, some comparison photos would be good...

Difficult for me as I'm quite short and overweight!!!

Tommy,

Not particularly, I'm sure you wouldn't have made that up!!!

Well, being a UK resident and still dealing in 'old money', I look for stones and pounds; 131lbs converts to 9st 5lbs - that's pretty light...131lbs in boxing terms is around super-featherweight depending upon which sanctioning body you refer to (IBF, WBO etc.) which is quite a small guy. 150lbs converts to around 10st 10lbs.

So, all in all, I can't be sure if I'd really notice the difference. Would be nice to have photos of 2 guys of around the same height and these 2 weights as a comparison.

His autopsy report says he weighed an "estimated 150 pounds."

His fingerprint card, made while he was still alive on 11/22/63, says he was 69.5 inches tall (5' 9 1/2") and weighed 131 pounds.

His autopsy report says he weighed an "estimated 150 pounds."

I thought that, during an autopsy, the body would have actually been weighed in order to ensure that all information gleaned was accurate?

From the perspective we are viewing the steps, would we be able to see that much of Baker's leg, if he were going up the stairs? I hate to say it but, it still looks as if he is running right past the stairs.

On hold for more "analysis."

You might be right, Robert.

Meanwhile, for your viewing pleasure, a great stabilized, "slow mo" Darnell gif by Gerda Dunckel which shows Baker running between my big, turning "Jack Dougherty" and the dark-suited guy who sidesteps out of the way and motions Baker up the steps with his left hand. Baker runs behind that guy, not in front of him as I previously thought.

Darnell sequence. 94 frames, 6 frames per second, 5.9 MB

So, it looks like you're correct, Robert.

Why would Baker veer and go to the right?

To go up the less-crowded middle or right part of the steps, perhaps?

--Tommy

From the perspective we are viewing the steps, would we be able to see that much of Baker's leg, if he were going up the stairs? I hate to say it but, it still looks as if he is running right past the stairs.

I've been trying to figure out why Baker's leg looks like it does at this point - as if he's going up the steps - but I think he's actually stepping up onto the sidewalk that ran in front of the TSBD alongside the Elm Street extension road (look back at the TSBD photo I posted and you'll see the sidewalk and it looks like the height increases as it goes further down the street, so may have been relatively high at the point Baker reaches it).

He looks to be still quite a way from the building - did the steps extend that far away from the building?...

Working entirely from memory here...Didn't Tom Purvis conclude that a shot did strike a tree limb, causing the bullet to tumble and enter JFK's back backwards? I believe he corresponded with an FBI examiner(?), Heidberger(?), on this?

how practical is it to use the iron sights with the scope on the rifle?

I'm guessing that would be Shaneyfelt...?

Tommy,

I would suspect that, if people hadn't viewed the Z-film at the time of the recreations, they would have very little idea what any of it meant. I doubt they would have understood the shot timings, vehicle positions etc. I'm not sure even surveyor Robert West really understood what it all meant until Tom Purvis liaised with him.

No doubt it would have been intersting to watch nonetheless.

I'm not sure if anyone planned to use the recreation films to dupe anyone, it was just a supposition as to why they may have been created.

Why do you suppose 2 recreations were carried out?

I would suggest that, if Specter could have stabbed the pointer through the gentleman acting as JFK's stand (or sit)-in in the points and directions of the alleged SBT, as determined by the WC etc., the point of the pointer would be touching the Connally stand (or sit)-in somewhere in the vicinity of his spine.

CE 903 disproves the SBT.

Maybe the recreations were produced so that the public could be shown (one/either of) those instead of the Z-film? If there are differences between the recreations and the Z-film (which Chris seems to be demonstrating), then the public could be 'duped'? Let's not forget that the Z-film was kept under wraps until when?...1975?

CE 903 clearly disproves the SBT.

Why did the FBI and the SS do a recreation anyway? Wouldn't one have been sufficient?

Ian,Re: your "cheque" question (it was actually a money order, not a check)....I haven't the slightest idea.

Well, I'm surprised.

Waldman exhibit #10?...

When was the cheque (US, "check") for payment of the rifle allegedly ordered by Hidell/Oswald supposedly cashed, according to the WC?

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When was the cheque (US, "check") for payment of the rifle allegedly ordered by Hidell/Oswald supposedly cashed, according to the WC?

Did the autopsy doctors dissect the neck/throat in order to examine the wound and therefore determine that a bullet passed through JFK's body? If not, how did they determine that this happened?

And without knowing every little nuance of John F. Kennedy's body, then your charts might be CLOSE, but they might not be close ENOUGH.

Do you really think that JFK's body was that much different to any other human?

Good heavens, what more proof do you require?

Regardless of what length rifle Oswald actually ordered, the TSBD weapon is clearly the same weapon that Klein's mailed to "Hidell" (at Oswald's post office box).

Show me where, in the record, the length discrepancy is explained please.