Ian Lloyd
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We drove straight down old Route 13. I used to drive coffee down to Florida for Food Fair and haul back oranges. I used to like to stop for those Lums chili dogs. You didn’t get them in the North. It took us about twenty-one hours to get there, and we turned the load over to Hunt and some anti-Castro Cubans. Jack Flynn stayed down in Florida to drive the rig back and I flew back to Philly. Hunt later turned up on TV as the one in charge of the Watergate burglars, E. Howard Hunt, but at that time he was connected to the CIA somehow. Hunt also got some kind of operation on his ears, because the next time I saw him his ears were closer to his head.
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Some snippets from the book...I've no opinions but just thought I'd post for general interest...
Page 13
Before he got taken care of, Giancana had been very big in certain circles and very big in the media. Momo had spread out from Chicago and moved into Dallas. Jack Ruby was a part of Momo’s outfit. Momo had casinos in Havana. Momo opened a casino with Frank Sinatra in Lake Tahoe. He dated one of the singing McGuire sisters, the ones who sang on Arthur Godfrey. He shared a mistress with John F. Kennedy, Judith Campbell. This was while JFK was president and he and his brother Bobby were using the White House for their own motel room. Momo helped get JFK elected. Only Kennedy then stabbed Momo in the back. He paid him back by letting Bobby go after everybody.
Page 19
Castro had the nerve to actually put Trafficante in jail. I heard that Sam “Momo” Giancana had to send Jack Ruby to Cuba to spread some green stamps around to get Trafficante out of jail and out of Cuba.
Page 105
Jimmy was close with Red Dorfman out of the Chicago outfit. Red got the Waste Handlers Union in Chicago in 1939, when the president of that union got whacked. They say Red had Jack Ruby with him as the other officer in the union. That’s the same Jack Ruby who whacked Lee Harvey Oswald. Red was tied in with Ruby’s boss Sam “Momo” Giancana and Joey Glimco and all the rest of the Chicago Italians. Plus Red was big on the East Coast with people like Johnny Dio.
Page 117
I chatted with Barney Baker. He was 6′6″ and weighed about 350. He was a heavy eater. Believe it or not he boxed as a middleweight. He was supposed to have had something to do with getting Joe Louis to that trial in Washington. Jimmy liked him. He sold ties. He had a lot of neckties for sale all the time. Barney had a lot of balls. He’d be available to help. He was a good muscle man. He got investigated in the Warren Report thing because they traced some calls between him and Jack Ruby a few days before the Dallas matter.
Page 119
Later on, when Jimmy got to know my work himself, I stayed in the room whenever something was going on. Once in a while Giancana would have a guy with him named Jack Ruby from Dallas. I met Jack Ruby a few times. I know Jimmy’s kid met him, too, at the Edgewater. Ruby was with Giancana and he was with Red Dorfman. One time we all went out to eat and Ruby had a blond with him that he brought up from Dallas for Giancana. There is no doubt whatsoever that Jimmy Hoffa didn’t just meet Jack Ruby, he knew Jack Ruby, and not just from Giancana, but from Red Dorfman, too
In September 1978 Dan E. Moldea, author of The Hoffa Wars, tape-recorded a conversation with James P. Hoffa, Jimmy’s son. Moldea wrote in a postscript to his meticulously researched and reasoned book on Jimmy Hoffa and his many wars: “When I reminded [young Jimmy] Hoffa that he had told me of his father’s relationship with Jack Ruby, Hoffa confirmed [it]. Unknown to Hoffa and for my own protection I secretly tape-recorded this telephone conversation with Hoffa.”
Page 121
and I wasn’t even on the last trip he made where he was even madder because his friend Santo Trafficante from Florida had been arrested by the Communists and was being held in jail. I heard a rumor that Sam Giancana had to send Jack Ruby to Cuba to spread some money around to get Santo out.
Page 240-241
“That’s just the tip of the iceberg, the tip of the iceberg. Let me tell you – Dallas, did you hear that word tonight? Remember that package you took to Baltimore? I didn’t know it then, but it turns out it was high-powered rifles for the Kennedy hit in Dallas. The stupid b******s lost their own rifles in the trunk of a Thunderbird that crashed when their driver got drunk. That pilot for Carlos was involved in delivering the replacements that you brought down. Those f*****s used both of us on that deal. We were patsies. What do you think of that? They had fake cops and real cops involved in it. Jack Ruby’s cops were supposed to take care of Oswald, but Ruby bungled it. That’s why he had to go in and finish the job on Oswald. If he didn’t take care of Oswald, what do you think they would have done to him – put Ruby on a meat hook. Don’t kid yourself. Santo and Carlos and Giancana and some of their element, they were all in on Kennedy. Every single one of the same cast of characters that were in on the Bay of Pigs. They even had a plot to kill Castro with Momo and Roselli. I’ve got enough to hang everybody. And every last bit of it comes out if anything unnatural happens to me. They will all pay. All those who xxxxed me will pay.”
Page 128
I met Carlos Marcello’s pilot there, too, a guy named Dave Ferrie. They later said he was gay, but if he was he didn’t make a pass at me. He still had his hair when I met him. They say he went a little nutty later on and carried a makeup kit around with him. You could tell he hated Castro with a passion, and he was very close to the anti-Castro Cubans in Florida.
Page 129
The landing strip had a small plane on it, and Carlos Marcello’s pilot who I had just met at the Gold Coast, Dave Ferrie, got out of the plane and came over to my rig and directed us to back up next to some army trucks. We backed up and all of a sudden this gang of soldiers came out of a building and began unloading military uniforms and weapons and ammunition from their army trucks and loading it all onto our truck. Dave Ferrie told me that the war materiel being loaded was from the Maryland National Guard. He gave me paperwork on the load in case we got stopped. He told me to take it to the dog track in Orange Grove, Florida, outside of Jacksonville. He said I’d be met there by a guy with big ears named Hunt.
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Tony Pro got up from his table and went to the back and returned with a duffel bag. He handed it to me and told me, “Go down to Campbell’s Cement in Baltimore where you went that time with the truck. Our friend’s pilot will be there. He’s waiting for this.” You didn’t have to spend all that time in combat to know you had a duffel bag with three rifles in it. I knew it was rifles, but I had no idea what it was. When I got there, Carlos’s pilot, Dave Ferrie, was there with another guy I knew from Monte’s who was with Genovese. He’s gone now, but he has a nice family. There’s no reason to bring his name into it. He said, “How’s your friend?” I said, “He’s doing good.” He said, “You got something for us?” With the tone Russell had set, I didn’t even get out of my car. I gave him the keys. He opened the trunk, took the bag, we said good-bye, and away I went home. -
2 hours ago, Chris Newton said:
Wow!! interesting read, thanks Chris (as you've no doubt probably realised, I am no military person and am asking these questions in order to learn)...
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I'm in the UK so missed the recent posts but it's good to see that I got you all thinking along the same lines that my thoughts were starting to take me...
Looking at Gary Powers' ID card, his states "SELF" as a sponsor - different methods for different arms of the military?...
Would it be normal to sponsor oneself?
Was it usual to strike through "sponsor" on the card?
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So, am I correct in thinking that Jesusa is the female version of Jesus (Spanish/Latino)?
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Mother? Is Jesusa a female name? I'm in the UK so not sure...
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On 24/08/2017 at 11:03 PM, Chris Newton said:
This is an example of a
RetiredMilitary Dependent ID Card:
What does that tell us?
Chris (or anyone else),
What does the "(M)" relate to after the typed name?
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1 hour ago, Tom Hume said:
Hi Ian,
Sure, the “9” could be an upside down “6”, but then the number “1” with the typical little hook on the top wouldn’t work.
I’ll explain my thinking: It’s my hypothesis that Richard Case Nagell was embedding his puzzles in most of Oswald’s activities. So I try to think like Nagell, find as many of his puzzle pieces as possible, and if I’m on track, the puzzle pieces start fitting together into something coherent and informative.
Since I had suspected that the three corner letters were “IUL” and I saw no meaning in that, I tried to imagine what RCN wanted us to do to make them meaningful, and I picked the most obvious phrase I could think of:
“IUL CORNER”
And this anagrammed to:
“OUR LIE. RCN”
Since Richard C Nagell also had a somewhat silly version of the DD Form 1173, this anagram seemed to make some sense. But Nagell had a gift, in my view, for packing several pertinent anagrams into his puzzle parts so I looked further.
But if you haven’t been following my posts, I need to explain something before I continue.
According to my reading of the puzzles, Oswald was directed by his handlers to buy a rifle and a hand gun through the mail. This, of course, guaranteed a paper trail for his patsy bona fides. But Richard pulled one of his many stunts, found a similar Mannlicher Carcano, and gave it his own puzzled up serial number, “C 2766” (a number which has rather profound meaning). In the puzzles, Richard calls this rifle a “Ringer Rod”, usually abbreviated “RR”. This was one of his “BIG” stunts, and this was the rifle that caused Hoover a ton of grief on assassination day because it didn’t match the Oswald paper trail.
Another anagram of “IUL CORNER” is:
“CLUE: RR ON I”
So looking on the “I” in “IUL” we see what appears to be the small hand-written number, “91”, which does fit somewhat with Richard’s “RR” (Ringer Rod) Carcano, model 91/38”
One of Richard’s big stunts was creating this substitute rifle, but the main stunt, another big lie (“Our Lie. RCN) was to be performed on assassination day by one of Richard’s civilian recruits, Jerry Belknap, and the number “91” translates to the letters:
“JB”
JB's stunt was designed to force the motorcade to take an alternative route.
“OUR LIE. RCN” = The DD Form 1173, the Carcano 91/38, and Jerry Belknap.
I'm not really making an argument for this, it's just one possible puzzle piece.Tom
Letter/Number key:
A=0)(B=1)(C=2)(D=3)(E=4)(F=5)(G=6)(H=7)(I=8)(J=9)(K=10)(L=11)(M=12)(N=13)(O=14)(P=15)(Q=16)(R=17)(S=18)(T=19)(U=20)(V=21)(W=22)(X=23)(Y=24)(Z=25)
Hi Tom,
Yes, I've followed your posts up to a point - obviously, you've got your line of thought deep into this!! Interesting stuff, thanks.
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On 8/28/2017 at 1:12 AM, Tom Hume said:
Yo Sandy, I think the corner letters are “IUL” and the number “91” is written over the first letter, the “I”.
Could what appears to be a '9' actually be an upside down '6'?
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19 hours ago, Chris Newton said:
NKVD issued passport circa 1940-45. Note the photo and NKVD stamp.
1946 Soviet Passport. Note the Photo and stamp
The edge of whited out quadrant in the bottom RIGHT hand corner of these photographs looks very clear and crisp - as if done during developing of the photograph (as disc placed over the corner?) whereas IMO the quadrant on the LHO photograph looks quite irregular as if it's been done by hand.
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On 8/28/2017 at 1:12 AM, Tom Hume said:
Yo Sandy, I think the corner letters are “IUL” and the number “91” is written over the first letter, the “I”.
Could the "IUL" be a cropped "JULY"?
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11 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:
The purchase of them was actually part of a senatorial investigation into gun running at the time? Senator??? Agh!!!
Dodd?
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Ah yes, I see - the reticule adjuster...(well, I still don't see, if you know what I mean)...
Even better!!!...Can't see one of these either!!!
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Yep, me too...just can't think what else could be being referred to as the "reticule"...
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Is the circled item in the pic below what you are referring to as the "Reticule Adjuster Screw"?
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Certainly does David.
The other thing about this is that the majority (if not all?) of the handwriting analysis carried out for the WCR was carried out on copies, not originals. I believe that is a major flaw in the analysis in that, as I understand it, in order to carry out a meaningful analysis, the original handwriting must be available so that the person carrying out the analysis can include factors such as pressure and finer details to determine if the handwriting is 'natural' (i.e. genuine) or 'unnatural' (i.e. faked - someone trying to copy another's handwriting)...
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The "Spot the difference" bit was tongue-in-cheek...I was just struck by the overall similarity between the signatures.
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Just for fun...
The top 2 are M. "Nick" McDonald's, bottom 2 are Oswald's:
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Thought I'd give it a try from Snipping tool (about the extent of my capabilities!!!)...
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32 minutes ago, Andrej Stancak said:
Andrew and Ian:
would it be possible to draw a contour around the alleged woman's body? The shape on the step indeed makes an impression of a human leg. However, where is a leg there is also a trunk, and where is a trunk there is also a neck and head. I just struggle to identify the contours of this alleged woman. I would therefore appreciate demonstrating to the community the contour of the alleged woman since maybe I am not the only one who fails to see the head under Prayer Man's arms. Would not this women be some kind of a giant?
Hi Andrej,
Unfortunately, I don't have the software or capabilities to do that!!! I'm quite sure that Robin and/or others have already done it in the past - maybe an internet search might bring something up or, hopefully, Robin will visit and see this and provide more information.
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13 hours ago, Andrew Prutsok said:
A woman has been identified on the steps, wearing dark clothing, standing in front of the Prayerman figure, which makes his body appear to be wider than it is. Her head comes up right under His arms. Her leg can be seen on the steps below Prayerman.
I believe that quite a few years ago Robin Unger identified that there was a woman standing in front of Prayer Man on the lower steps - as you say, if you look closely enough, you can see the bottom half of her legs . The overall effect is to make Prayer Man appear to be much 'bulkier' than he might be (that's not to say he wasn't bulky; obviously, we can't tell when there's a woman in front blocking the view). Not sure if it was Robin who first identified that there was a woman there but he was the first I was aware of.
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Disregard Cinque's words here, but please note the just-visible "dot" (hair?, mole?) at the left edge of Lovelady's eyebrow in the "1957" photo. I'm talking about his left eyebrow on "our" right. -- Tommy
We can see the same "dot" in both of these images:
-- Tommy
So now all we've got to do is figure out what Shelley did after he walked over to the "island" about 20 seconds after the assassination, and what Lovelady did after he ran down Elm Street Extension to the the railway yard / parking lot (if he made it that far).
I wonder how the chin in the 1963 photo compares to "Oswald's" chin in the BYPs?
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Tommy,
Not sure if the "...Running Woman..." you refer to is the same person I'm looking at, but is that Marrion Baker exiting frame right? Looks like someone wearing dark clothes with a white helmet/hat on to me, though doesn't seem to be moving quickly enough to be Baker (or running at all for that matter)?...hmmm...
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Steve, I think the 'WCC' refers to the manufacturer of the shell - Western Cartridge Company?