Jim Hargrove

One of the really significant questions James Norwood asks is where did Marguerite get all her money in the late 1940s? I can't imagine. Ekdahl, who seemed to have at least some money, was long gone. And yet, here's how James describes the situation in his article: Yet by the late 1940s, her situation had turned around so completely that she was now residing in middle-class neighborhoods and was even purchasing properties solely in her name. In July, 1947, Marguerite purchased a small house at 101 San Saba in Benbrook; in August, 1948, she purchased a new home at 7408 Ewing in Fort Worth; and in November, 1951, she purchased a small house at 4833 Birchman in Fort Worth. During the period of 1947-51, there were three purchases of homes and a grand total of six different addresses at which Marguerite was residing. It is no small accomplishment to be a homeowner in the early twenty-first century. But it was also difficult in the post-Depression years of the 1940s. So, what explains Marguerite’s change in fortunes? The change may be explained by the Oswald Project. In allowing the government to use the name of one of her boys for a surrogate “Lee Harvey Oswald,” as well as her own name that would be shared with another woman, Marguerite Claverie Oswald likely made a Faustian bargain, first with the OSS and subsequently the CIA. To a large degree, her life and the lives of her children were controlled by the government undoubtedly in return for monetary compensation. I can't think of a more likely situation.

Because, Wilting Walton, it has already been established that “NAS NAVY 3835,” clearly stamped on the medical records, was the Navy Hospital at Atsugi, Japan, NOT a ship at sea or a medical facility in North Taiwan. If you want to make the claim that U.S. Navy medical records are stamped with a location where a patient USED TO BE, prove it! Explain how USMC medical records could EVER be trusted to indicate the locations where procedures actually took place. Are you seriously going to tell us it doesn’t matter? If any of your silly excuses had any merit, explain why the brass at DOD couldn’t have discovered that themselves, instead of offering the embarrassing reply to Blakey’s question by simply denying that “Oswald” boarded the U.S.S. Skagit and traveled to Taiwan. "Oswald did not sail from Yokosuka, Japan on September 16, 1958. He remained at NAS (Naval Air Station) Atsugi, as part of the MAG II rear echelon,” they lied. They knew the paperwork told the tale. Do you know how much evidence there is that Lee HARVEY Oswald was in Taiwan? Can you say “Cover up?” I didn’t think so.

Read the LHO Legend article here: http://harveyandlee.net/J_Norwood/Legend.html James Norwood describes his new article: For a number of years I offered a university-level course on the JFK assassination. The first question raised by students typically pertained to Oswald. So, I wanted to write a piece that offers an introduction to this complex topic. In the literature on the assassination, one of anomalies is that no full-scale biography has ever been published on "Lee Harvey Oswald." Even Norman Mailer's 791-page opus Oswald's Tale--An American Mystery (1995) primarily focuses on the 1959 defection and the period leading up to the assassination. When Mailer attempted to assess the youth of Oswald, he was so flummoxed that he relied on lengthy excerpts from Warren Commission testimony, as opposed to preparing a conventional biography. With the unprecedented coverage of the case for over a half century, one would think that there would be an endless string of Oswald biographies. After all, there still regularly appear new biographies of John Wilkes Booth. Yet historians and biographers will not touch the subject of Oswald. The question is why? The breakthrough work on this topic is John Armstrong's Harvey and Lee. The investigative work, the critical thinking, and the evidence presented afford the thoughtful student a window into both the life of Oswald and the JFK assassination. One need not agree with all of Mr. Armstrong's conclusions in order to appreciate the care with which he has collected primary sources and the vital testimony of eyewitnesses that he has gathered for this monumental study.

Thanks for doing this research, Sandy. The number designations for several U.S. Naval Hospitals are listed in Harvey and Lee, but to find a proof along the lines of yours, if memory serves, you have to dig through the online John Armstrong collection at Baylor University. The Naval Hospital (#3835) at Atsugi has an interesting relationship to this case. On October 27, 1957, American-born Lee Oswald shot himself through the front side of his left arm just above the elbow. He was taken first to the Atsugi Hospital (#3835) and then to the nearby Navy Hospital (#3932) at Yokosuku. A surgeon closed his wound there, but the slug was left in his arm for a week, until it was removed on November 4 with a separate incision from the back. Not surprisingly, neither scar just above the left elbow was found during the detailed reporting of the autopsy of “Lee Harvey Oswald.” (Hardly surprising since it was Russian-speaking Harvey Oswald who was killed by Jack Ruby.) BTW, if Tracy or anyone claims Greg Parker has debunked the above, and offers a link to said "debunking," that will make for a Whole Lotta Fun tomorrow. I can't wait!

Here's some more on the story above .... The Warren Commission had published the Marine Corps documents clearly indicating that “Lee Harvey Oswald” had been en route to and stationed at Taiwan during the very same time he was being treated for venereal disease at the naval hospital in Atsugi, Japan, some 1400 miles from Taiwan. The HSCA realized this was a problem. Instead of admitting that “Oswald” was clearly in two places at the same time, Robert Blakey, Chief Counsel for the HSCA, wrote to Secretary of Defense Harold Brown and asked a very simple question, "During which periods was Oswald separated from his units overseas because of hospitalization.” See question 2 below. In the next paragraph, he went on to describe the problem. The Department of Defense answered Blakey’s question by saying, "Oswald did not sail from Yokosuka, Japan on September 16, 1958. He remained at NAS (Naval Air Station) Atsugi, as part of the MAG II rear echelon. In other words, despite all the evidence that “Lee Harvey Oswald” had traveled to Taiwan on September 14, 1958 aboard the USS Skagit, including unit diaries, trip manifests, eyewitness testimony, photographs and descriptions of Taiwan by “Oswald” himself, the Office of the Secretary of Defense simply denied it. The HSCA concluded as follows: The Department of Defense specifically stated that 'Oswald did not sail from Yokosuka, Japan on September 16, 1958. He remained at NAS Atsugi as part of the MAG- 11 rear echelon.' Accordingly, based upon a direct examination of Oswald's unit diaries, as well as his own-military records, it does not appear that he had spent any time in Taiwan. This finding is contrary to that of the Warren Commission that Oswald arrived with his unit in Taiwan on September 30, 1958, and remained there somewhat less than a week, but the Commission's analysis apparently was made without access to the unit diaries of MAG 11. The Warren Commission had failed to suppress the evidence of “Lee Harvey Oswald” being in Japan and Taiwan at the same time. The HSCA had to deliberately misrepresent the evidence in order to prevent the Harvey and Lee Project evidence from becoming public knowledge. That tactic still seems to be working for some members of this forum.

How short your memory is Tracy. American-born Lee Oswald's own half-brother, John Pic, shown two different pictures of Russian-speaking Harvey Oswald, told the Warren Commission, under oath, that the image was not of his brother. Real Marguerite's two best friends for two decades told the Warren Commission they did not recognize phony Marguerite and wouldn't have known who she was if they hadn't been told. There are other examples.

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You should know better than that, Tracy. Here's a Richard Starnes’ piece from 10/2/63 that so appalled the Times' Arthur Krock that he wrote his infamous article the next day about the open hostility between the Kennedy Administration and the CIA. It shows that CIA people regularly infiltrated the armed forces. The Washington Daily News, Wednesday, October 2, 1963, p.3 (emphasis added) 'SPOOKS' MAKE LIFE MISERABLE FOR AMBASSADOR LODGE 'Arrogant' CIA Disobeys Orders in Viet Nam By Richard T. Starnes SAIGON, Oct.2 - The story of the Central Intelligence Agency's role in South Viet Nam is a dismal chronicle of bureaucratic arrogance, obstinate disregard of orders, and unrestrained thirst for power. Twice the CIA flatly refused to carry out instructions from Ambassador Henry Cabot Lodge, according to a high United States source here. In one of these instances the CIA frustrated a plan of action Mr. Lodge brought with him from Washington because the agency disagreed with it. This led to a dramatic confrontation between Mr. Lodge and John Richardson, chief of the huge CIA apparatus here. Mr. Lodge failed to move Mr. Richardson, and the dispute was bucked back to Washington. Secretary of State Dean Rusk and CIA Chief John A. McCone were unable to resolve the conflict, and the matter is now reported to be awaiting settlement by President Kennedy. It is one of the developments expected to be covered in Defense Secretary Robert McNamara's report to Mr. Kennedy. Others Critical, Too Other American agencies here are incredibly bitter about the CIA. "If the United States ever experiences a 'Seven Days in May' it will come from the CIA, and not from the Pentagon," one U.S. official commented caustically. ("Seven Days in May" is a fictional account of an attempted military coup to take over the U.S. Government.) CIA "spooks" (a universal term for secret agents here) have penetrated every branch of the American community in Saigon, until non-spook Americans here almost seem to be suffering a CIA psychosis. An American field officer with a distinguished combat career speaks angrily about "that man at headquarters in Saigon wearing a colonel's uniform." He means the man is a CIA agent, and he can't understand what he is doing at U.S. military headquarters here, unless it is spying on other Americans. Another American officer, talking about the CIA, acidly commented: "You'd think they'd have learned something from Cuba but apparently they didn't." Few Know CIA Strength Few people other than Mr. Richardson and his close aides know the actual CIA strength here, but a widely used figure is 600. Many are clandestine agents known only to a few of their fellow spooks. Even Mr. Richardson is a man about whom it is difficult to learn much in Saigon. He is said to be a former OSS officer, and to have served with distinction in the CIA in the Philippines. A surprising number of the spooks are known to be involved in their ghostly trade and some make no secret of it. "There are a number of spooks in the U.S. Information Service, in the U.S. Operations mission, in every aspect of American official and commercial life here, " one official - presumably a non-spook - said. "They represent a tremendous power and total unaccountability to anyone," he added. Coupled with the ubiquitous secret police of Ngo Dinh Nhu, a surfeit of spooks has given Saigon an oppressive police state atmosphere. The Nhu-Richardson relationship is a subject of lively speculation. The CIA continues to pay the special forces which conducted brutal raids on Buddhist temples last Aug. 21, altho in fairness it should be pointed out that the CIA is paying these goons for the war against communist guerillas, not Buddhist bonzes (priests). Hand Over Millions Nevertheless, on the first of every month, the CIA dutifully hands over a quarter million American dollars to pay these special forces. Whatever else it buys, it doesn't buy any solid information on what the special forces are up to. The Aug. 21 raids caught top U.S. officials here and in Washington flat-footed. Nhu ordered the special forces to crush the Buddhist priests, but the CIA wasn't let in on the secret. (Some CIA button men now say they warned their superiors what was coming up, but in any event the warning of harsh repression was never passed to top officials here or in Washington.) Consequently, Washington reacted unsurely to the crisis. Top officials here and at home were outraged at the news the CIA was paying the temple raiders, but the CIA continued the payments. It may not be a direct subsidy for a religious war against the country's Buddhist majority, but it comes close to that. And for every State Department aide here who will tell you, "Dammit, the CIA is supposed to gather information, not make policy, but policy-making is what they're doing here," there are military officers who scream over the way the spooks dabble in military operations. A Typical Example For example, highly trained trail watchers are an important part of the effort to end Viet Cong infiltration from across the Laos and Cambodia borders. But if the trailer watchers spot incoming Viet Congs, they report it to the CIA in Saigon, and in the fullness of time, the spooks may tell the military. One very high American official here, a man who has spent much of his life in the service of democracy, likened the CIA's growth to a malignancy, and added he was not sure even the White House could control it any longer. Unquestionably Mr. McNamara and Gen. Maxwell Taylor both got an earful from people who are beginning to fear the CIA is becoming a Third Force co-equal with President Diem's regime and the U.S. Government - and answerable to neither. There is naturally the highest interest here as to whether Mr. McNamara will persuade Mr. Kennedy something ought to be done about it.

Because, among other reasons, Harvey's Unit Diary shows that he was still located at "Ping-Tung (North) Taiwan" on October 6, 1958.

One of my favorite Harvey and Lee examples comes courtesy of the USMC. Throughout much of 1957 and 1958, American-born LEE Harvey Oswald was serving continuously in the United States Marine Corps, in bases at various locations in the mainland U.S. and in Japan and the Phillipines. During this same time, Russian-speaking Lee HARVEY Oswald was placed briefly in several USMC training facilities but spent much of the time living in the Hotel Senator in New Orleans and later in Fort Worth. But in September 1958, Harvey Oswald traveled from the mainland U.S. to the large Marine base at Atsugi, Japan, where Lee Oswald was also stationed. According to First Lieutenant William K. Trail, Harvey was placed in the brig at Atsugi. This was probably done to keep Harvey away from Marines who worked and bunked with Lee at the base. That was critical, because Harvey was about to assume Lee’s USMC identity, and start acting like a Russian-loving communist in preparation for his false defection. According to Marine Corps Unit Diary 151- 58 (744), Lee Harvey Oswald and his unit departed from Japan for a week long trip to the South China Sea on September 14, 1958 aboard the USS Skagit (AKA 105), an attack cargo ship. While Lee Oswald was still stationed at Atsugi, Japan, Harvey Oswald arrived in Taiwan on September 30, 1958, where he soon was spotted doing a very un-Marine like thing. On the evening of October 4, 1958, Lt. Charles Rhodes heard four or five rifle shots coming from the direction of the position that Harvey was guarding. Rhodes ran toward Oswald and found him slumped against a tree, shaking, and crying while holding his rifle. He kept saying that he just couldn't bear to be on guard duty. Harvey’s Taiwan adventure would soon come to an end. In the meantime, though, while Harvey was still aboard the USS Skagit and accompanying real Marines in Taiwan (9/14/58–10/6/58), LEE Oswald contracted veneral disease and was repeatedly treated for it at the Navy Hospital in Atsugi, Japan, some 1400 miles from Taiwan. Medical records for NAS Navy 3835 a Naval Hospital at Atsugi, show numerous medical entries for LEE Oswald recorded on Sept 16, 20, 22, 23, 29, and Oct 6. As good as this story is so far, it gets even better. But I’m going to pause for a moment and let Tracy Parnell or someone similar make a post with a link to somewhere saying all this has been “debunked”. Wait for it—it shouldn’t take long. Then I'll show the rest of the story. This is going to be fun!

Michael.... That is an interesting gif, and the faces have more similarities than I expected. But the eyebrows are much bushier on the arrest photo and the ears are different heights, for example. And regardless of the photographic interpretations, the documentary evidence for two Oswalds is really profound. EDIT: For the purpose of discussing this, Michael, let's say the two images in your gif are of the same person. So what are they? The first image is from the passport Harvey Oswald used for his false defection in 1959. The second is Harvey's arrest photo. John and I had always assumed that Harvey put Lee's photo on his passport application. But if it is actually a picture of Harvey, all that proves is that he used his own photo instead of Lee's. It hardly disproves the Harvey and Lee evidence. See, as one example, my next post.

Harvey and Lee didn’t look that much alike. Do you think the two men on the extreme left and the far right are the same person?

Tracy’s hard at work again with his usual character assassinations. It is abundantly clear that Mr. Wilcott remembered just about everyone at the Tokyo CIA station long after he worked there between 1960-1964. No doubt Tracy will soon have Mr. Wilcot murdering widows and orphans and torturing ponies and unicorns, as I predicted earlier. Whether Wilcott wouldn’t name names during his secret testimony to protect his fellow workers, or though some lawyerly agreement, or whether his words were altered before being suppressed for two decades, we’ll never know. And don’t tell me these government non-investigations don’t alter testimony and change witnesses words. Wanna see a three minute video proving the FBI lied about three eyewitnesses who saw other shooters in Dealey Plaza? Watch YouTube video

The way I try to explain this to people is that the Russian-speaking impostor (Harvey Oswald) was always being given a taste of American-born Lee Oswald’s life, so he could eventually “defect” to the Soviet Union and appear to be a red-blooded American. But he really only had a taste of Lee Oswald’s life. Lee Oswald served in the Marine Corps for roughly the time the Warren Commission said he did. But during this period Russian-speaking Harvey was placed in and out of various USMC settings by his handlers. For example, during much of the time (nearly a full year) when Lee Oswald served in Japan and the Phillipines, Harvey was living at the Hotel Senator in New Orleans and later in Fort Worth. Harvey did spend time with some Marines, but I don’t think he could be considered a real Marine under any circumstances.

OK, Tracy, fair enough. I didn't know those notes existed. And so Mr. Hardway apparently spoke to one CIA man who, not surprisingly, denied Oswald worked for the CIA. There should be more interviews or at least more interview notes. Can you point to them?

And blah-blah-blah. In my first post in this thread, I made it pretty clear that you would consider yourself superior to the head of Slavic languages at Yale on this subject, and your pomposity doesn’t disappoint. Funny how so many of the Russian immigrants around Dallas were amazed by Harvey’s mastery of Russian, which happened, we’re told, from reading Russian magazines with a dictionary in the Marines and spending two and a half years working full time in a Russian factory. That’s how you learn to appreciate reading the Russian classics in Russian, as de Mohrenschildt noted Harvey did. That’s how you come to prefer speaking Russian to English, as de Mohrenschildt also noted about Lee HARVEY Oswald.

You like growed up person with such well English, Tommy? First perfect sentence reads: “Sorry too take so long to write but I thought sometime might have come up but we’re still waiting.” And speaking of Harvey Oswald’s voice, listen to his August 21, 1963 radio debate with Bringuier and Butler: Does that sound like the voice of a Good Ole’ American boy raised in Texas and Louisiana? Really? Go ahead, Tommy. Whine and cry all you want. Say Professor Vladimir Petrov, head of the Slavic Language Department at Yale University, was a paid disinformationist, or had a pistol pointed to his head, or was taking LSD at the time. Your arguments are stupid.

Tommy, I suspect HARVEY Oswald was a WW II war orphan who had no known living parents. I think he was probably 8-12 years old when he was brought to the U.S. and had NEVER mastered Russian, but was comfortable enough with it that even some quick coaching brought it all back instantly. I suspect any number of people in post-war Hungary spoke Russian as their first language, including HARVEY Oswald. I can't prove much of this, but considering the evidence, it ALL sounds reasonable to me. You obviously have some international linguistic chops, but I feel no guilt going with the the gut feeling of the Head of Slavic Languages at Yale Univesrity.

Sorry guys, I don't understand the revised software's quoting procedures, but here's my best shot at answering your question(s): John can trace the Harvey and Lee project back to an address on San Saba Ave. in the Fort Worth suburb of Benbrook in 1947. That is the earliest known U.S. home of Russian-speaking Harvey Oswald. In an explosive new article soon to be available on HarveyandLee.net, Dr. James Norwood describes the implications of the evidence John A. uncovered from Tarrant County land records that Harvey Oswald lived at 101 San Saba Ave. in Fort Worth TX in 1947. Even today, the Benbrook suburb of Fort Worth is a sparsely populated community of slightly more than 20,000. But in 1947, this area was even more remote, as it was just beginning to be developed when Marguerite Oswald purchased the property at 101 San Saba. One struggles to comprehend the motivation for both the purchase and the eventual sale of this home by Marguerite, who incurred a substantial loss of her initial investment. Moreover, she and her three boys apparently only stayed briefly in the San Saba home, according to the testimony of Robert Oswald before the Warren Commission. As Robert was recounting this part of his life story, Commissioner Allen Dulles called for an adjournment. When the proceedings resumed, this subject was simply dropped. The reason that this issue was explosive was that the real Marguerite Oswald and her three boys were residing at 1505 8th Avenue in Fort Worth in the summer of 1947--the precise time when the Warren Commission chronology sought to establish that Marguerite and her children were living in Benbrook. Of all of the evidence of young Oswald, the story of 101 San Saba may hold the key to understanding the original idea of the Oswald Project. For the curious student of the JFK case, here is one question to answer about the relatively obscure saga of San Saba in the youth of Oswald: Why would the FBI feel compelled to interview neighbor Georgia Bell following the assassination, then change her affidavit to reflect a different date she provided about the time of residency of Marguerite Oswald in the house across the street? Marguerite bought the San Saba property, and her first “tenant” was the Marguerite impostor with a little boy. This was the beginning of the Oswald Project. It’s hard to be precise about Harvey’s age. LEE Oswald was born in New Orleans in 1939, and in order for the impersonation to work, HARVEY had to be ROUGHLY the same age. John believes HARVEY was probably a little older than LEE, and I believe in John’s research. My guess is that Harvey was a year, maybe two, older than Lee, but underdeveloped because of a deprived childhood.

Well, boys and girls, I'm sure you're all way smarter than the head of the Slavic Language Department of Yale University about these linguistic considerations, but here's what he said.... In January 1962, Harvey Oswald mailed a handwritten letter to United States Sena­tor John Tower, requesting re-entry into the U.S. The letter was published soon after the assassination. In December 1963 Vladimir Petrov, head of the Slavic Language Department at Yale Universithy, read a copy of Oswald's letter and then wrote to Senator Tower. Petrov said, "I am satisfied that letter was not written by him [Harvey Oswald]. It was written by a Russian with an imperfect knowledge of English." I'll be away from my computer for several hours, so I'm sure you can declare victory several hundred times over the Harvey and Lee Menace while I'm gone.

I didn't edit anything. I clicked "Quote" on Tommy's post four posts above this one, and the above is what I got, again! No editing, Tommy. After all his insults and outrage, isn't it amusing that Tommy can "almost live with" a "long-term (four year) double-Oswald theory" but not one two or three times as long.

But from the HSCA's own contemporaneous notes it is obvious Mr. Wilcott did remember the RX-ZIM cryptonym, for example, leaving two possibilities for his testimony: it was altered by the HSCA, and that is one of the reasons it was suppressed for more than two decades, or Wilcott and the HSCA attorneys made some sort of deal allowing him to testify leaving out some details.

20 Facts Indicating the Oswald Project Was Run by the CIA 1. CIA accountant James Wilcott said he made payments to an encrypted account for “Oswald or the Oswald Project.” 2. Antonio Veciana said he saw LHO meeting with CIA’s Maurice Bishop/David Atlee Phillips in Dallas in August 1963. 3. A 1978 CIA memo indicates that a CIA operations officer “had run an agent into the USSR, that man having met a Russian girl and eventually marrying her,” a case very similar to Oswald’s and clearly indicating that the Agency ran a “false defector” program in the 1950s. 4. Robert Webster and LHO "defected" a few months apart in 1959, both tried to "defect" on a Saturday, both possessed "sensitive" information of possible value to the Russians, both were befriended by Marina Prusakova, and both returned to the United States in the spring of 1962. 5. Richard Sprague, Richard Schweiker, and CIA agents Donald Norton and Joseph Newbrough all said LHO was associated with the CIA. 6. CIA employee Donald Deneslya said he read reports of a CIA agent who had worked at a radio factory in Minsk and returned to the US with a Russian wife and child. 7. Kenneth Porter, employee of CIA-connected Collins Radio, left his family to marry (and no doubt monitor) Marina Oswald after LHO’s death. 8. George Joannides, case officer and paymaster for DRE (which LHO had attempted to infiltrate) was put in charge of lying to the HSCA and never told them of his relationship to DRE. 9. For his achievements, Joannides was given a medal by the CIA. 10. FBI took Oswald off the watch list at the same time a CIA cable gave him a clean bill of political health, weeks after Oswald’s New Orleans arrest and less than two months before the assassination. 11. Oswald’s lengthy “Lives of Russian Workers” essay reads like a pretty good intelligence report. 12. Oswald’s possessions were searched for microdots. 13. Oswald owned an expensive Minox spy camera, which the FBI tried to make disappear. 14. Even the official cover story of the radar operator near American U-2 planes defecting to Russia, saying he would give away all his secrets, and returning home without penalty smells like a spy story. 15. CIA Richard Case Nagell clearly knew about the plot to assassinate JFK and LHO’s relation to it, but the CIA ignored his warnings. 16. LHO always seemed poor as a church mouse, until it was time to go “on assignment.” For his Russian adventure, we’re to believe he saved all the money he needed for first class European hotels and private tour guides in Moscow from the non-convertible USMC script he saved. In the summer of 1963, he once again seemed to have enough money to travel abroad to Communist nations. 17. To this day, the CIA claims it never interacted with Oswald, that it didn’t even bother debriefing him after the “defection.” What utter bs…. 18. After he “defected” to the Soviet Union in 1959, bragging to U.S. embassy personnel in Moscow that he would tell the Russians everything he knew about U.S. military secrets, he returns to the U.S. without punishment and is then in 1963 given the OK to travel to Cuba and the Soviet Union again! 19. Allen Dulles, the CIA director fired by JFK, and the Warren Commission clearly wanted the truth hidden from the public to protect sources and methods of intelligence agencies such as the CIA. Earl Warren said, “Full disclosure was not possible for reasons of national security.” 20. President Kennedy and the CIA clearly were at war with each other in the weeks immediately before his assassination, as evidenced by Arthur Krock's infamous defense of the Agency in the Oct. 3, 1963 New York Times. “Oswald” was the CIA’s pawn.

You're making progress Tommy. Now just spend an hour or two researching San Saba and you'll be there.

Sandy, Below is a reproduction of pp. 199-200 of the HSCA report, as reproduced in Oswald and the CIA by John Newman. As you read what the HSCA reported, keep in mind what we have already learned from the HSCA’s own notes of interviews with Mr. Wilcott and his long-suppressed testimony, and note how the report writers misrepresented and flat-out lied about the information Wilcott gave them. For example, the report indicated that Wilcott viewed the information as mere “shop talk” when, in fact, he testified just the opposite. The report told us that he was unable to “recall the agency cryptonym for the particular project in which Oswald had been involved,” when, according to the HSCA’s own notes, he said the cryptonym was RX-ZIM. There is much more disinformation packed into these two pages. As to to your question asking if the HSCA reported they interviewed 18 or so CIA personnel about Wilcott’s accusations, note the lawyerly weasel words in the paragraph beginning “In an attempt to investigate Wilcott’s allegations….” Other than this, in a document with demonstrable falsehoods on these exact two pages, I see no reason to believe the HSCA actually interviewed anyone Wilcott named from the Tokyo station. If any interviews actually were conducted, where are the transcripts or even the notes? What were the dates and locations of these interviews? Were there attorneys present? What were their names? There is nothing… nada… to make me believe the HSCA wanted to learn anything more about Wilcott than to make his accusations go away.