Jim Hargrove

Well, Paul, I may be wrong, but my guess is that when that day comes, you will be among the few researchers wondering why we waited so long for so little. How ironic that a former CIA director has set this date for “full disclosure.” Poppy’s Secret When Joseph McBride came upon the document about George H. W. Bush’s double life, he was not looking for it. It was 1985, and McBride, a former Daily Variety writer, was in the library of California State University San Bernardino, researching a book about the movie director Frank Capra. Like many good reporters, McBride took off on a “slight,” if time-consuming, tangent – spending day after day poring over reels of microfilmed documents related to the FBI and the JFK assassination. McBride had been a volunteer on Kennedy’s campaign, and since 1963 had been intrigued by the unanswered questions surrounding that most singular of American tragedies. A particular memo caught his eye, and he leaned in for a closer look. Practically jumping off the screen was a memorandum from FBI director J. Edgar Hoover, dated November 29, 1963. Under the subject heading “Assassination of President John F. Kennedy,” Hoover reported that, on the day after JFK’s murder, the bureau had provided two individuals with briefings. One was “Captain William Edwards of the Defense Intelligence Agency.” The other: “Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency.” To: Director Bureau of Intelligence and Research Department of State [We have been] advised that the Department of State feels some misguided anti-Castro group might capitalize on the present situation and undertake an unauthorized raid against Cuba, believing that the assassination of President John F. Kennedy might herald a change in U.S. policy… [Our] sources know of no [such] plans… The substance of the foregoing information was orally furnished to Mr. George Bush of the Central Intelligence Agency and Captain William Edwards of the Defense Intelligence Agency. Full article excerpted above can be read here: http://whowhatwhy.org/2013/09/16/part-1-mr-george-bush-of-the-central-intelligence-agency/

Harvey and Lee Commission members doubt their conclusions After leaving office, the man who created the Warren Commission, President Lyndon Johnson, expressed doubts about the Commission's conclusion for the remain der of his life. On one occasion he told Presidential aide Marvin Watson that he was convinced there was a plot in connection with the assassination and "felt the CIA had something to do with the plot."Nov 24-33 On January 27, 1964, less than 2 months after the Warren Commission was created, Senator Richard Russell said, "They (the FBI) have tried the case and reached a verdict on every count." Three weeks later Russell wrote a two-page letter of resignation to Lyndon Johnson, which the President refused to accept. In 1964 the New York times quoted Chief Justice Earl Warren who said, "Full disclosure was not possible for reasons of national security" (Warren's statement was originally made to Dallas Morning News reporter Clint Richmond at Love Field, the day Warren arrived in Dallas to interview Jack Ruby). On September 16, 1964 Senator Richard Russell disagreed with the Commission's conclusion of "no conspiracy" and wrote a dissenting statement. He said the insufficiency of the evidence gathered against Oswald precluded the conclusive determination that Oswald and Oswald alone, without the knowledge, encouragement or insistance of any other person, planned and perpetrated the assassination. Russell insisted that his statement be published in the 26 Volumes, and was extremely annoyed to learn it was not included. In an interview with W SB-TV in February 1970, less than a year before his death, Russell continued to voice doubts about the Warren Report. In January 1967, columnist Drew Pearson told Earl Warren about a conspiratorial lead involving CIA-Mafia assassination plots. Warren, instead of standing by the Commission's conclusions, referred the information to Secret Service Director James J. Rowley. He then said, " ..... he thought this was serious enough ..... and that the Warren Commission was finished." W.C. member Hale Boggs (D-L A), in a letter to JFK researcher Harold Weisberg, wrote, "We have not been told the truth about Oswald." By 1971 Boggs was reportedly preparing to make a public statement that said Richard Nixon was complicit in the assassination of President Kennedy. Thirty days before Nixon was re-elected esident Boggs and Alaska Senator Nick Begich vanished when their small plane disappeared in the Alaska wilderness during a routine flight from Anchorage to Juneau. W.C. member John I. McCloy (former President of the International Bank for Reconstruction and Development) told the HSCA in 1978, "I no longer feel we had no credible evidence or reliable evidence in regard to a conspiracy ..... " W.C. member Senator John Sherman Cooper (R-KY ) never agreed with the "single bullet theory," upon which the Commission based it's conclusion of "no conspiracy," and expressed doubts to fellow members. The two Commission members who remained committed to the conclusions of the Warren Report, not surprisingly, were former CIA Director Allen Dulles, and Gerald Ford (R-MI), a man described by Newsweek the "CIA's best friend in Congress." It is little wonder that the Warren Report has failed to withstand the test of time, as even the majority of Commission members didn't believe it. J. Edgar Hoover's investigation After the Warren Commission was formed, and evidence of "two Oswald's" continued to mount, Hoover had to control and limit the FBI's investigation into Oswald's background. He began on the afternoon of the assassination, by issuing instrucyions for SA James Hosty not to attend any more of Oswald's interrogation sessions and not to conduct any investigation into Oswalds background. T he following morning FBI agents were dispatched to Stripling Junior High in Fort Worth to obtain Oswald's school records, to the Pfisterer Dental Lab in New Orleans to obtain Oswald's employment records, the Texas Department of Public Safety in Austin to obtain Oswald's drivers lcense file, and other locations to secure sensitive information which threatened to expose the two Oswald's. Hoover received much needed assistance on limiting the investigation intom Oswald's background when Allen Dulles was appointed to the Warren Commission. Dulles acted as the Warren Commission's contact with the CIA, and worked directly for his his close friend Jim Angleton and his deputy, Ray Rocca, from the Counterintelligence section. W hen the Warren Commission requested information from the CIA, it was Dulles who reviewed and approved the few insignificant CIA documents that were finally shown to Commission members. And it was Dulles who met secretly with Angleton to help prepare answers to questions that he thought the Commission might ask CIA Director John McCone and Richard Helms. Nov24-34 As Director of the FBI, and the investigative arm of the Warren Commission, Hoover had the power to decide which documents and evidence were sent to the Commission. As William Sullivan told the HSCA, "If there were documents that possibly he didn't want to come to the light of the public, then those documents no longer exist, and the truth will never be known." Sullivans comments explain the disappearance of Oswalds original school records, employment records, tax returns, records from Klein s Sporting Goods, the US Post Office, FBI interviews of people whose statements placed Oswald in two locations at the same time, the names of FBI informants who knew and associated with Harvey Oswald in New Orleans, etc. It also explains why the FBI failed to provide a list of Oswalds childhood friends to the Warren Commission, which prompted staff member John Hart Ely to write, "Once again let me urge that we should not have to rely upon Life MaWJzine for such a list. The FBI should un dertake a systematic investigation and interview of Oswalds closest school friends. " Nov 24-35 NOTE: Ely apparently investigated Oswalds background too well, which caused Albert Jenner to write, "There are details in Mr. Ely s memoranda which will require material alteration and, in some instances, omission." Nov 24-32 Sullivan also told the HSCA, "When an enormous organization like the FBI with tremendous power still can sit back and shuffle the deck of cards and pick up the card they want to show you it may be you're not going to get the entire picture as fully as you Nov 24-36 This simply means that the FBI gave the Warren Commission onlythose records which helped to frame Oswald or show that he was capable of assassinating the President. Records which suggested there were two Oswalds (Stripling Junior High records, Pfisterer employment records in 1957-58, FBI interviews of Marines who served with Harvey Oswald in Memphis or Taiwan, medical records, FBI reports of Lee Oswald in the US from 1959-1962, etc., FBI reports of people who came in contact with Lee Oswald in the weeks and days preceding the assassination, etc.), were suppressed or destroyed. would otherwise." NOTE: In 1975 Warren Commission co-counsel Burt W. Griffin said, "All of the records were in the hands of the two agencies (FBI and CIA) and, if they so desired, any infor­ mation or files could have been destroyed or laundered prior to the time the Commission could get them. "45 In addition to manipulating physical evidence, witness testimony, and FBI reports, the Bureau convinced the Warren Commission to accept Nov 24-37 This gave the FBI the opportunity to alter original evidence, such as Oswalds school transcripts, the Minox camera, photographs in lieu of physical evidence. 962Klein s Sporting Goods records, etc., and provide the Commission with photographs, while the original evidence disappeared. The FBI was also able to convince the Warren Commission to allow FBI agents and officials to review. and correct. Transcripts of their testimony before the Commission Nov 24-38 The "correcting" of James Cadigan s testimony resulted in concealing the fact that Oswalds possessions were secretly sent to the FBI on November 23, 1963, without an inventory,and then returned to the Dallas Police after numerous items had been altered. modified. Substituted. or added to the evidence. Sion. Researchers have speculated for years that the FBI covered up, distorted, and fabricated evidence and testimony of witnesses in an attempt to frame Oswald and now we have the proof! With the abundance of fabricated evidence 'that has surfaced, there is little doubt that such a massive cover-up could have occurred without the knowledge and active participation of j. Edgar Hoover. In fact, Hoover was one of the few people in the world who understood and grasped the significance of "Lee Harvey Oswald's" participation in the assassination, and the involvement of his CIA sponsors. I we Decker Exhibit 5323. 2 WC Exhibit 2013; FBI interview ofVernon Glossup, 11/24/63. 3 WC testimony of Forrest V. Sorrels, 13 H 62. 4 WC Frazier Exhibit 5086; FBI interview ofW.B. Frazier by SA George W.H. Carlsonm 12/6/63. 5 WC Exhibit 2002; letter from William B. Frazier to Jesse Curry, 12/6/63. 6 WC Smart Exhibit 5021. 7 we Exhibit 2002. 8 WC Smith Exhibit 5317; FBI interview of John A. Smith by SA Robley D. Madland, 12/4/63. 9 WC Exhibit 2002; letter from C.C. Wallace to Jesse Curry, 12/18/63. 1 0 WC Report p. 629, Memorandum from Inspector Kelley to Chief, Secret Service, 11129/63. II Ibid. 12 WC Exhibit 2003 p. 138C; WC Report, p. 609. 13 WC Report, p. 635, Memorandum of interview by Harry Holmes, 12/17/63. 14 WC Report, p. 630. 15 Ibid. at 609. 16 WC Exhibit 2003 p. 138C; WC Report, p. 609. 17 WC Report, p. 634, Memorandum of interview by Harry Holmes, 12/17/63. 18 WC testimony of Harry Holmes, 7 H 299. 19 WC testimony of Jim Leavelle, 7 H 267-268. 20 National Archives, USPS 169-10001-10143, Headquarters Files 157807-CC, USPS memo H.B. Montague to SI&I, 12/2/63. 21 WC Report, p. 633, Memorandum of interview by Harry Holmes, 12/17/63. 22 WC testimony of Jim Leavelle, 7 H 269. 23 Summers, p. 98. . 24 WC Report, p. 630, Memorandum from Inspector Kelley to Chief, US Secret Service, 11/29/63 .. 25 National Archives, HSCA 180-10103-10379, Numbered Files 013438, HSCA interview of George Butler, 5/11/78. 26 National Archives, HSCA 180-10089-10078, Numbered Files 001056, Notes of Ronald Dugger, by Andrew Purdy, 3/28/77. 27 Sneed, p. 488. 28 WC Wilcox Exhibit 3016. 29 CE 2003, p. 327. 30 WC Daniels Exhibit 5325. 31 Seth Kantor, p. 56. 32 AR 157. 33 AR 158. 34 WC Bieberdorf Exhibit 5123. 35 WC Document 735, pp. 410-411. FBI interview of Dr. Earl Rose by SA Arthur Carter and Manning Clements, 2/25/64. 36 WC Document 1066, p. 388, FBI interview of Dr. Earl Rose by SA Robert Gemberling, 5/20/64. 37 "The Exhumation and Identification of Lee Harvey Oswald", Journal of Forensic Science, January 1984. 38 WC testimony of Forrest Sorrels, 13 H 70. 39 WC memorandum from Leon Hubert and Burt Griffin to J. Lee Rankin, 5114/64, pp. 3-4. 40 WC Report, p. 345. 41 HSCA, Volume 5, p. 325. 42 AP story-9:22 pm, 6/27/98, by Angela Charlton quoting Feklisov on Russian Television. 43 Wall Street Journal, 10118/93, A16. 44 LBJ-transcripts of telephone conversation at 16:55, 11129/63. 45 Houston Chronicle, 9/

Actually, John A. has told me personally how pleased he is that David Josephs has been able to take his original research and build upon it with important new findings. A number of David's essays that go well beyond what John originally published in Harvey and Lee, especially about Mexico City, are featured at Jim DiEugenio's site, CTKA.net.

Thanks Jim. Perhaps the others should read it. I agree, Ray, that Jim's offer was of interest. Here's the relevant passage by FBI Deputy Director Cartha DeLoach: "In this connection, Marvin Watson called me late last night and stated that the President told him, in an off moment, that he was now convinced that there was a plot in connection with the assassination. Watson stated the President felt that CIA had had something to do with this plot." Yet we have no choice but to take this report with a grain of salt --- because LBJ said contradictory things to many different people when he was President. For example, LBJ told Walter Cronkite that "Lee Harvey Oswald had accomplices," and then forced Cronkite to withhold that statement, due to "National Security." That's a famous story from Cronkite himself. Or, watch the interview yourself on YouTube: []https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xd1wuXrVPjo] (Skip to 00:36) Furthermore, remember what LBJ told Howard K. Smith. Here's the famous blurb: "Johnson publicly embraced the rumor that a Cuban conspiracy was responsible for the assassination of Kennedy, and when he was interviewed by television newsman, Howard K. Smith, he dramatically asserted: "I'll tell you something that will rock you. Kennedy was trying to get Castro, but Castro got him first." So, LBJ, sworn to secrecy about the JFK murder for purposes of National Security, nevertheless continued to spout contradictory stories to impress newspaper people he hung out with. But the "Harvey & Lee" fans will grab hold of their favorite story with both hands -- as it seems to confirm their version of the CIA-did-it theory. What, then, do they say about the contradictions? They typically change the subject. Regards, --Paul Trejo No changing the subject here, Paul. You're quite right that LBJ made a number of different PUBLIC statements about the assassination. But the significance of this FBI memo is that LBJ apparently told a trusted advisor PRIVATELY that he felt the CIA had something to do with the assassination of JFK. Some people thought the revelation was significant back around the time it was “released” in a 40,000-file FBI evidence dump in 1977. Some daily newspapers even picked it up, rare for conspiracy evidence during the last 50 years. For example, "LBJ Reportedly Suspected CIA Link in JFK's Death," The Washington Post (Washington, D.C.). December 13, 1977. p. A10. When his book Robert Kennedy and His Times was published the following year, Arthur Schlesinger, no fan of conspiracy theories, included the following passage: "In 1967 Marvin Watson of Lyndon Johnson's White House staff told Cartha DeLoach of the FBI that Johnson "was now convinced there was a plot in connection with the assassination. Watson stated the President felt that CIA had had something to do with this plot." This, of course, is hardly proof that the CIA was involved in JFK's murder. At some point I believe DeLoach testified that he felt Watson's statement was “sheer speculation,” or some words to that effect, but what else would we expect him to say? I doubt many people, even among JFK researchers, are aware (or remember) these statements about LBJ's personal thoughts regarding the Agency's possible involvement in the assassination.

Thanks Jim. Perhaps the others should read it. BTW, I neglected to properly identify the document. It's an April 3, 1967 internal FBI memo from Deputy Director Cartha DeLoach to Associate Director Clyde Tolson. It's often referred to but seldom reproduced. John A. copied it at the National Archives in the 1990s.

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. Does anyone here want to see a doc in which Marvin Watson says LBJ thought the CIA participated in JFK's murder? DOES ANYONE HERE CARE ?

LBJ SUSPECTS CIA =================== QUOTE ON ==================== Nine months later, following publication of the Warren Report, Johnson sealed most of the assassination related records until the year 2029. When Madeleine Brown asked Johnson why he sealed the records instead of making them public he replied, "Remember Box13.P" [Madaeleine Brown, "Texas in the Morning"(Baltimore) 1997, p. 186] Johnson may have sealed the records because he suspected the CIA was involved. He told Presidential aide Marvin Watson that he felt the CIA had something to do with the assassination.[Victors-01] --Harvey and Lee, p. 964 =================== QUOTE OFF ==================== Sheesh! I tried to upload Victor-01.jpg here (a mere 82K size), but for months now, EF's software has refused to allow me to upload any file larger than 23KB! Anyone want to see the NARA file? Anyone? ........

You didn't point out the FBI claims for the "3 am interview." Tom Scully did on another forum. Almost all of John's notes for Harvey and Lee are from original source documents. He should go back to that method and approach secondary sources with extreme caution, as he did previously.

As always, Greg Parker is so anxious to deny the existence of evidence for Two Oswalds, he forgets to think at all. Suggesting that workers in the driver's license office of the Texas Department of Public Safety mistook a “dirty and worn” Texas driver's license APPLICATION for an ACTUAL TEXAS DRIVER'S LICENSE is the type of desperate “theory” we can rely on Greg Parker to produce. Parker's logic assumes that DPS personnel who specialized in driver's licenses knew less about driver's licenses than the average Texan, who surely could tell the difference between the two. The fact that one document is large and the other is small, and that the smaller one prominently displays a photo of the driver while the other does not, should be sufficient to enable a four-year-old to tell the difference between the two. But not Greg Parker! CE 112 is referred to on the DPD/FBI joint inventory list of “Oswald's Possessions” dated 11/26 as “Application for Texas Driver's License.” Although there is ample reason to suspect the chain of custody of many of the items in this expanded list made after the secret transfer of “Oswald's Possessions” to FBI Headquarters in D.C. and back again to Dallas, there is no reason to assume the items listed were not physically present at Dallas Police Headquarters on 11/26. If, as Parker asserts, the APPLICATION was “dirty and worn,” there is little reason to believe it was stored in a filing cabinet at the Dep't. of Public Safety. And yet Parker goes on to write, “I submit that this dirty and worn document is what was seen by staff at the Department of Public Safety. It was taken by investigators and claimed to have been found at N Beckley.” In her signed and witnessed deposition, Aletha Frair affirmed: “During the week following the murder of LEE HARVEY OSWALD, on either Wednesday the 27th, or Thursday the 28th of November, 1963 the Texas driver's license issued to LEE HARVEY OSWALD came into my division.” That would have been, of course, AFTER the application in question was already at Dallas Police headquarters. No doubt Parker will now declare that Mrs. Frair was mistaken about the date the license came into her division, which, she said, “was responsible for the IBM computer records of all driver's licenses in the state of Texas.” Of course, Parker also says Mrs. Frair was unable to recall the difference between an application and an actual license. Or that Cliff Shasteen and others were mistaken when they saw American-born Lee Oswald drive a car in and around Dallas while Russian-speaking Harvey Oswald was still in New Orleans.

Amazing work! Parnell posts the above on the very same day I uploaded the changes to the Landesberg article. He must be standing at attention by his computer monitoring harveyandlee.net hourly for changes! Glad to see he considers my site such a danger to his world. In documenting “the history of these misrepresentations,” will he also say that we provided links to sources about the color of Landesberg's beard and the “3 am interview” and hardly made them up? I doubt it, but I really don't care enough to check. What I do care about is this.... John Armstrong has finally unraveled the weird Landesberg affair is a way that actually makes sense. Read his article here. .

Wait... wait... Don't tell me!!! I'm going to make a wild guess.... Lee Oswald never went to Ping Tung, Taiwan. Harvey Oswald did.

And now for something completely different.... Harvey can't drive… ==================== QUOTE ON =================== Ruth Paine leaves for the east coast Ruth Paine left Irving, Texas on July 27, 1963 and supposedly drove to the east coast to visit her family. She was not seen again until September 20 when she arrived at the Oswald's apartment in New Orleans. She stayed with the Oswalds for three days and then drove Marina and June to Irving and arrived on September 24th. NOTE: Mrs. Paine was supposed to have driven her light blue two-tone 1955 Chevrolet station wagon (Texas license NK 4041) to the east coast but, according to the Murrets, she drove a brown station wagon to New Orleans in May, 1963, accompanied by Ma- rina and June Oswald. Michael Paine, from whom Ruth had been separated since the fall of 1962, moved into an apartment in Arlington, Texas and later to an apartment in Grand Prai- rie, Texas. The Paine's house should have been vacant from July 27 thru September 24th, 1963 and Mrs. Paine's light blue two-tone 1955 Chevrolet station wagon should have been with her on the east coast, but there are indications the blue station wagon remained in Irving. Irving barber and city councilman Cliff Shasteen told the Warren Commission that Lee Oswald drove Ruth Paine's car to his shop in the late summer of 1963 on sev- eral occasions. The owner of an Esso-Humble service station in New Orleans, Mr. Will, said that Oswald filled up a 1955 two-tone station wagon with gas at his station on sev- eral occasions, the last time about September 10, 1963. The last time Mr. A.R. Will saw Oswald he did not have enough money to pay his bill, which was slightly more than $11. Mr. Will gave Oswald a tank of gas on credit and Oswald signed the bill "L.H. Oswald, 4905 Magazine Street." When Mr. Will asked Oswald for identification, he produced a photo identification card. Harvey Oswald had no driver's license and could not drive. In the latter part of July, 1963 US Postal carrier J.G. Davis began carrying mail for the route serving 2515 W. 5th in Irving, Texas. Davis told postal inspectors I.L. Niewoehner and R.L. McCoy that he left mail addressed to the Oswalds in the mail box at 2515 W. 5th, without realizing there was a forwarding order to have the mail sent to 4907 Magazine Street in New Orleans (This forwarding order has never surfaced and probably never existed). Davis recalled the box was emptied every few days by someone who he assumed had authority to withdraw mail from the box --from Harvey and Lee, p. 558 ================== QUOTE OFF ======================

I know.... I know .... Lee was ONLY at Atsugi... despite ALL the EVIDENCE that he was at Ping Tung (and en route). Good Golly, DJ, must have been some other feller at Ping Tung! Don't know who....

The HSCA would say that publicly, wouldn't they? But does "everyone" know that privately and secretly, according to HSCA notes that I transcribed on the previous page, "Committee did stress analysis on Jim Wilcott. Cuban stress analysis verified Wilcott validity. Available if needed."

And the potentially libelous statement above comes from a man who seems anxious to shift blame for the Kennedy assassination away from American Intelligence. And what have the insiders said over the years about “Lee Harvey Oswald” and the CIA? Let's take a brief look: * In 1978, CIA accountant James Wilcott testified as follows: “The specific incident was soon after the Kennedy assassination, where an agent, a Case Officer--I am sure it was a Case Officer--came up to my window to draw money, and he specifically said in the conversation that ensued, he specifically said, 'Well, Jim, the money that I drew the last couple of weeks ago or so was money' either for the Oswald project or for Oswald.” * Richard Sprague, chief counsel to the U.S. House Select Committee on Assassinations said, if he had it to do over again, he would begin his investigation of the Kennedy assassination by probing “Oswald's ties to the Central Intelligence Agency." * Sen. Richard Schweiker said, "We do know Oswald had intelligence connections. Everywhere you look with him, there're fingerprints of intelligence." * Victor Marchetti was the former Executive Assistant to the Deputy Director of the CIA. Marchetti said, "The more I have learned, the more concerned I have become that the government was involved in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy." * Dan Hardway (co-author of HSCA's so-called “Lopez Report”) said to Len Osanic, “I still think that he was killed by a conspiracy, I still think that he was killed by a conspiracy that involved both mobsters and rogue elements of the Central Intelligence Agency, whether or not the agency itself was complicit in it I don’t know.” * CIA Agent Donald Norton said, "Oswald was with the CIA, and if he did it then you better believe the whole CIA was involved." * Former CIA agent Joseph Newbrough said, "Oswald was an agent for the CIA and acting under orders." * CIA Agent John Garrett Underhill told friends, just before he died, "Oswald is a patsy. They set him up. They've killed the President. I've been listening and hearing things. I couldn't believe they'd get away with it, but they did." * CIA Agent William Gaudet said, "The man who probably knows as much as anybody alive on all of this... is... I still think is Howard Hunt"----CIA Agent and Watergate burglar E. Howard Hunt. * CIA employee Donald Deneslya read reports of a CIA agent who had worked at a radio factory in Minsk and returned to the US with a Russian wife and child--that agent could only have been Oswald. * CIA officer David Phillips provided the Warren Commission with information that Oswald was at the Russian and Cuban embassies in Mexico City, then later admitted that the information he had provided was false. * Marvin Watson, an adviser to President Lyndon Johnson, said that Johnson had told him that he was convinced that there was a plot in connection with the assassination. Watson said the President felt the CIA had something to do with this plot. * HSCA counsel Robert Tanenbaum in 1996 told the ARRB, "the major area, and I can't overemphasize this, focused on the government and what the government knew about Lee Harvey Oswald... and what the CIA was doing with Lee Harvey Oswald. And what he was doing in New Orleans with anti-Castro Cubans, rabid anti-Castro Cubans, and to get everything you could get from the government with respect to it. And how this government today could want to hold that information and feed the kind of anti-government feeling that results from non-disclosure is really beyond my comprehension. The idea that John Armstrong gave up more than a decade of his life as a custom home builder and petroleum distributor to research the Kennedy assassination because he saw a "great business opportunity" to write a book is laughable on its face. Isn't it remarkable that the Harvey and Lee Hit Squad is unconcerned about the obvious ties of the Oswald Project to U.S. intelligence but is so interested in delivering one-line insults about the author of Harvey and Lee!!! HSCA says this or that? What a bad joke! Just like the murder suspect who investigates himself and proclaims his innocence!

In secret testimony to the HSCA, Tokyo-based former CIA accountant James Wilcott said he was told by CIA case officers in his Tokyo Station that funds he personally disbursed to an encrypted account as late as 1963 were for “Oswald or the Oswald Project.” Wilcott's complete testimony, withheld from the American people for decades, is here: http://harveyandlee.net/Wilcott/Wil_full.htm HSCA notes below obviously refer to Wilcott. Reference copy, JFK Collections: HSCA (RG 233) 3 9-16-78 Station Finance Tokyo Bill Schaap – Committee did stress analysis on Jim Wilcott. Cuban stress analysis verified Wilcott validity. Available if needed. Insert (such verification is needed if competent investigation is performed.) Approximately April-June 1963, Cryptonym for Oswald Project approx. RX-ZIM Standard two consonants followed by 2, 3, 6 letter pronouncable [sic] word. Two case officer money dispersal methods: USSR SR Branch – believed responsible for Oswald Project. Korea Korea Branch All stations operate the same, especially Class A Station. Dpecial Base deep cover CIA base – Atsugi. True name file destroyed in seconds – told to Committee. Principle agents – subsidiary agents. Wilcott- includes Diet members. Code ex. AN AIM 1, AN AIM 2, AN AIM 3, etc. AN AXCL (approx.) project code name. Moral Rearmament – CIA project funding (talking to ministers, etc.) One goal: placing CIA agents in strategic locations. Washington, D.C. Sept. 64 – May 65: disbursed and audited funds to National Student Association, AFL-CIO, universities (Columbia U.). Oswald Project Summary: submit project outline to Chief of Japan Brnach [sic]; submit outline to desk of Japan Branch HDGT. Project returned to Japan Station. Nothing sent by mail. Use diplomatic courier. Allotment determined. Quarterly allocations from approved disbursement. Two withdrawal methods. Advance request signed: a. agent b. branch officer c. fiannce [sic] d. station auditor checks project code number under cryptonym. TSD – logistics, etc. all under number code. Funds withdrawn accounted by agent monthly: a. difficu,t [sic] to account for all agents expenditures; b. if balance existed, refunded. c. If deficit, advance to cover deficit. d. some advance requests. Some revolving funds. Some agents used own funds. Year-

And the potentially libelous statement above comes from a man who seems anxious to shift blame for the Kennedy assassination away from American Intelligence. And what have the insiders said over the years about “Lee Harvey Oswald” and the CIA? Let's take a brief look: * In 1978, CIA accountant James Wilcott testified as follows: “The specific incident was soon after the Kennedy assassination, where an agent, a Case Officer--I am sure it was a Case Officer--came up to my window to draw money, and he specifically said in the conversation that ensued, he specifically said, 'Well, Jim, the money that I drew the last couple of weeks ago or so was money' either for the Oswald project or for Oswald.” * Richard Sprague, chief counsel to the U.S. House Select Committee on Assassinations said, if he had it to do over again, he would begin his investigation of the Kennedy assassination by probing “Oswald's ties to the Central Intelligence Agency." * Sen. Richard Schweiker said, "We do know Oswald had intelligence connections. Everywhere you look with him, there're fingerprints of intelligence." * Victor Marchetti was the former Executive Assistant to the Deputy Director of the CIA. Marchetti said, "The more I have learned, the more concerned I have become that the government was involved in the assassination of President John F. Kennedy." * Dan Hardway (co-author of HSCA's so-called “Lopez Report”) said to Len Osanic, “I still think that he was killed by a conspiracy, I still think that he was killed by a conspiracy that involved both mobsters and rogue elements of the Central Intelligence Agency, whether or not the agency itself was complicit in it I don’t know.” * CIA Agent Donald Norton said, "Oswald was with the CIA, and if he did it then you better believe the whole CIA was involved." * Former CIA agent Joseph Newbrough said, "Oswald was an agent for the CIA and acting under orders." * CIA Agent John Garrett Underhill told friends, just before he died, "Oswald is a patsy. They set him up. They've killed the President. I've been listening and hearing things. I couldn't believe they'd get away with it, but they did." * CIA Agent William Gaudet said, "The man who probably knows as much as anybody alive on all of this... is... I still think is Howard Hunt"----CIA Agent and Watergate burglar E. Howard Hunt. * CIA employee Donald Deneslya read reports of a CIA agent who had worked at a radio factory in Minsk and returned to the US with a Russian wife and child--that agent could only have been Oswald. * CIA officer David Phillips provided the Warren Commission with information that Oswald was at the Russian and Cuban embassies in Mexico City, then later admitted that the information he had provided was false. * Marvin Watson, an adviser to President Lyndon Johnson, said that Johnson had told him that he was convinced that there was a plot in connection with the assassination. Watson said the President felt the CIA had something to do with this plot. * HSCA counsel Robert Tanenbaum in 1996 told the ARRB, "the major area, and I can't overemphasize this, focused on the government and what the government knew about Lee Harvey Oswald... and what the CIA was doing with Lee Harvey Oswald. And what he was doing in New Orleans with anti-Castro Cubans, rabid anti-Castro Cubans, and to get everything you could get from the government with respect to it. And how this government today could want to hold that information and feed the kind of anti-government feeling that results from non-disclosure is really beyond my comprehension. The idea that John Armstrong gave up more than a decade of his life as a custom home builder and petroleum distributor to research the Kennedy assassination because he saw a "great business opportunity" to write a book is laughable on its face.

The questions we keep posting about the FBI's handling of the Landesberg case do not arise because there are FBI reports that SEEM to back the official story the FBI put forward. OF COURSE THERE ARE! John refers directly to them in his article and makes them available to all at the John Armstrong Collection at Baylor University. John is charging yet another FBI cover-up in this case, one of many accepted by an enormous number of JFK researchers. Here are some of John's reasons (Tom--I'm leaving out the issue of whether SH Landesberg and the talk radio host actually met in person since so far you have only responded to that question): 1. A lot of evidence appears to be missing from this case. Where is an FBI report, or any evidence at all, showing agents actually bothered to ask Al Fowler to identify L'eandes/SR Landesberg (the actor), or interview ANY of the Village Voice reporters who met L'eandes (the actor), or speak to any of the nine different people identified, with addresses for each, by Rizutto/SH Landesberg (the student), who Rizutto said knew L'eandes (the actor), with the exception of the actor's former roommate, Michael Dunn? 2. There are credible reports indicating different addresses for the two different Landesbergs. L'eandes/SR Landesberg (the future actor) on 8th St. or McDougal St. and Landes/SH Landesberg, the student, who lived at 66 W. 10th St.Two NY newspapers, according to H&L critics, are simply incapable of getting NYC addresses straight. 3. When the FBI attempted to locate a man named “Regan” who Rizzuto/Landesberg (the student) said paid L'eander (the actor), they bothered to travel all the way to the Roosevelt Hotel in New Orleans, forgetting to visit the Roosevelt Hotel in New York, where Rizzuto said Regan lived. This, we're told, is a perfectly understandable mistake. 4. Rizzuto/Landesberg (the student) told the FBI that Oswald, L'eandes and a man named Earl Perry worked together in New York City in 1961-62 (when Harvey Oswald was in Russia). Perry was from El Paso, Texas and was stationed at Barstow, CA. SA J. Richard Nichols contacted Major Robert C. Whitebread of the USMC in an attempt to locate Earl Perry, who knew L'eandes (the actor) and Oswald. Nichols learned that the only Earl Perry on active duty was assigned to the Marine Supply Center in Barstow, CA., and was from El Paso, TX. But on Nov 26, instead of requesting the military file for Earl Eugene Perry (El Paso, TX), SA Leonard Lewis obtained the file for Earl Sheldon Perry from the Military Personnel Records Center in St. Louis. Earl Sheldon Perry was from Casper, Wyoming, joined the US Army in 1954, and was discharged in 1956. The FBI avoided contacting Earl Eugene Perry from El Paso. 5. Many people seem totally unconcerned that all paper court records and backup microfilm records for the arrest and incarceration of Stephen Harris Landesberg (the student) have disappeared. Researchers might want to contact the US District Court House for the Southern District of NY at 40 Foley Square in NYC, to see if the records have reappeard, but I won't hold my breath. One more time.... WHY DOES THE FBI INTERVIEW THE WRONG EARL PERRY, THE MOST CRITICAL CO-WITNESS IN THE WHOLE LANDESBERG AFFAIR? SURE LOOKS LIKE YET ANOTHER FBI COVER-UP! WHY DOES THE FBI GO TO THE WRONG ROOSEVELT HOTEL, MORE THAN A THOUSAND MILES FROM THE CORRECT ROOSEVELT HOTEL IN NEW YORK CITY, TO LOOK FOR CLUES ABOUT THE MAN WHO ALLEGEDLY PAID SR LANDESBERG! HOW CAN YOU EXPLAIN SUCH UTTER INCOMPETENCY?

"HARVEY AND LEE" DECLARED DEAD FOR 434TH TIME BY H&L HIT SQUAD “Harvey and Lee are deader than the two Steve Landesbergs,” declared one H&L Hit Squad member, adding that, “real soon now, we'll declare all four even deader.” Another Hit Squad sniper warned people not to click on the following url: http://harveyandlee.net/Landesberg/Landesbergs.html “Clicking on that thar link above,” the sniper continued, “will fer sure result in getting a social disease, tooth decay, and all sorts of worry about unimportant Landesberg issues such as the ones below:” There are credible reports indicating different addresses for the two different Landesbergs. L'eandes/SR Landesberg (the future actor) on 8th St. or McDougal St. and Landes/SH Landesberg, the student, who lived at 66 W. 10th St. Two NY newspapers, according to Hit Squad critics, are simply incapable of getting NYC addresses straight. When the FBI attempted to locate a man named “Regan,” who Rizzuto/Landesberg (the student) said paid L'eander (the actor), they bothered to travel all the way to the Roosevelt Hotel in New Orleans, forgetting to visit the Roosevelt Hotel in New York, where Rizzuto said Regan lived. This, we're told, is a perfectly understandable mistake. Rizzuto/Landesberg (the student) told the FBI that Oswald, L'eandes and a man named Earl Perry worked together in New York City in 1961-62 (when Harvey Oswald was in Russia). Perry was from El Paso, Texas and was stationed at Barstow, CA. SA J. Richard Nichols contacted Major Robert C. Whitebread of the USMC in an attempt to locate Earl Perry, who knew L'eandes (the actor) and Oswald. Nichols learned that the only Earl Perry on active duty was assigned to the Marine Supply Center in Barstow, CA., and was from El Paso, TX. But on Nov 26, instead of requesting the military file for Earl Eugene Perry (El Paso, TX), SA Leonard Lewis obtained the file for Earl Sheldon Perry from the Military Personnel Records Center in St. Louis. Earl Sheldon Perry was from Casper, Wyoming, joined the US Army in 1954, and was discharged in 1956. The FBI avoided contacting Earl Eugene Perry from El Paso. Many people seem totally unconcerned that all paper court records and backup microfilm records for the arrest and incarceration of Stephen Harris Landesberg (the student) have disappeared. Researchers might want to contact the US District Court House for the Southern District of NY at 40 Foley Square in NYC, to see if the records have reappeard, but I won't hold my breath. WHY DOES THE FBI INTERVIEW THE WRONG EARL PERRY, THE MOST CRITICAL CO-WITNESS IN THE WHOLE LANDESBERG AFFAIR? SURE LOOKS LIKE YET ANOTHER FBI COVER-UP! WHY DOES THE FBI GO TO THE WRONG ROOSEVELT HOTEL, MORE THAN A THOUSAND MILES FROM THE CORRECT ROOSEVELT HOTEL IN NEW YORK CITY, TO LOOK FOR CLUES ABOUT THE MAN WHO ALLEGEDLY PAID SR LANDESBERG! HOW CAN YOU EXPLAIN SUCH UTTER INCOMPETENCY?

Yo, Parker, do you REALLY need the FBI to tell you how many days are in a school year? The answer is 180 days in 1 school year! Please tell me this is NEWS to you! Now, let's talk A. Felde!!!! ==================== QUOTE ON ====================== Marine Corps Unit Diaries On October 26 the name Lee H. Oswald first appears in the Marine Corps Unit Diaries at boot camp #257 56-27 NOTE: The Marine Corps Unit Diaries list the name, rank, service number, and mili- tary occupation specialty (MOS) of servicemen assigned to a particular location. The Diaries also record changes in assignments, activities and duties. The Diaries allow us to see, by name, rank, and serial number, the names of Marines who served with Harvey Oswald at a particular location, and the names of Marines who served with Lee Oswald at a particular location. The Marine Corps Unit Rosters, which are similar to the Diaries, list the name, rank, service number, and military occupation specialty ( MOS) of officers and enlisted person- nel at a particular location. Unit Diary #257-56 p. 1521 also lists the names of the three Dallas recruits who traveled to San Diego with Oswald-Donald G. Davis, Donald M. Elam, and Pleas G. Scott. A recruit named "Alexander D. Felde," with whom Harvey Oswald would spend the next 10 months, is also listed in the same diary. 56-28 The Marine Corps assigned service numbers in numerical order to recruits who enlisted at the same enlistment center. Recruits from the same town, who enlisted within days of each other, had similar service numbers. Alexander D. Felde's service number was 1641924, and is between Marine recruits with service numbers 1641923 and 1641927 (Leo C. King, Richard Rasmussen, Peter J. Scifo, and Joseph D. Socha). All of these recruits, including Felde, were from the Milwaukee, Wisconsin area and all en- listed between October 22nd and October 24th, 1956. Following the assassination the FBI interviewed Allen Robert Felde (on June 26, 1964) and reported, "He enlisted in the United States Marine Corps at Milwaukee, 147Wisconsin in October, 1956. He met Lee Harvey Oswald as a United States Marine Corps recruit about October 23, 1956 while both of them were assigned to Platoon 2060, 2nd Battalion, MCRD, San Diego."26 56-28 Allen Felde and Harvey Oswald's photographs appear in the Platoon 2060 yearbook, along with the young men who enlisted in Dal- las with Oswald and accompanied him on the flight to San Diego, (Scott, Elam, and Davis). Felde told the FBI he and Oswald were together through boot camp, ITR train- ing, A & P School in Jacksonville, and Aviation Electronics School in Memphis, TN. Marine Corps Unit Diaries confirm that Oswald and Felde were together at all of these locations except one (the one exception is Memphis-there are no Marine Corps Unit Diaries available for Memphis), but the diaries list Felde's name as "Alexander D. Felde" (instead of Allen R. Felde). It is almost certain that Alexander D. Felde· and Allen R. Felde are the same person, yet the first names and middle initials are differ- ent. After the assassination Felde was the only Marine interviewed by the FBI who had known Oswald in both boot camp and ITR training, and his statements about Oswald are significant. Neither the FBI nor Warren Commission interviewed Davis, Scott or Elam, but the FBI interviewed another recruit pictured in the Platoon 2060 book, Allen R. Felde. Felde told the FBI that he and Oswald were stationed together in boot camp at San Diego until January 1957, and then transferred to Camp Pendleton for combat training. Marine Corps Unit Diary 8-57, pg. 29 for January 18, 1957 and the unit roster confirm Felde's statement.3 January- following Harvey Oswald from boot camp thru ITR Following boot camp eight Marines from Platoon 2060, including Oswald, were transferred to Camp Pendleton, California for infantry training (ITR). Those eight Marines were Lee Harvey Oswald, Hubert C. Cooley, Gerald R. Crowley,* Alexander D. (Allen R.) Felde, Keith W. Marr, Carl G. Salway, Peter J. Scifo, Jr., and Robert W. Smith. Marine Corps Unit Diary #16-57, pg. 925 listed their transfer as "tempduins" (temporary duty under instruction),4 and they were assigned to the 2nd Infantry Train- ing Regiment (ITR). NOTE: Gerald R. Crowley should not be confused with Ronald Crawley, who knew Oswald in Japan The 8-man squad shared the same tent at Camp Pendleton and spent a lot of time together. Felde said that Oswald continually discussed politics, in which none of the young Marines had any interest, and he soon discovered that Oswald was "left- winged." On their first weekend leave the entire 8-man squad shared a taxicab to Tijuana, Mexico. Oswald left the group and was not seen again until the squad returned to Camp Pendleton on Sunday evening. Felde said that on at least four other occasions, when members of his squad took leave and rode a bus to Los Angeles, Oswald de- parted and was not seen again until they returned to Camp Pendleton.5 Felde was the only Marine interviewed by the FBI who went through boot camp and infantry train- ing (ITR) with Lee Harvey Oswald, yet he was not interviewed by the Warren Commission. [ . . . ] The Diaries, however, do not cover three very important locations in 1957, which conflict with the memories of Marines who were with Harvey Oswald: In March, April, and May 1957 Allen Felde was with Harvey Oswald at Camp Pendleton in California (The Marine Corps Unit Diaries for Camp Pendleton end on February 26, 1957). 57-08/09 In May, June, and July 1957 Allen Felde and Harvey Oswald were stationed in Jacksonville, FL (The Marine Corps Unit Diaries for Jacksonville end on May 3, 1957).57-08/09 From late July thru early September 1957 Allen Felde and Harvey Oswald were attending aviation electronics school in Memphis, TN. (There are no Marine Corps Unit Diaries for Memphis). 57-08/09 March/ April- Harvey and Felde at Camp Pendleton, CA Shortly after the assassination FBI Special Agent (SA) Robert Schoenecker interviewed Allen Felde in Milwaukee, WI and reported: "Both men (Felde and Lee Harvey Oswald) were stationed at San Diego (Boot Camp) until January, 1957, at which time Felde stated that they were trans- ferred to Camp Pendleton (ITR training) for combat training. This combat training lasted until May 1957." ..... until May 1957 32 57-08 SA Schoenecker reported, "Oswald impressed Felde as being 'left-winged.' Oswald continually discussed politics and wrote to US senators, particularly Senator Thurmond. Oswald condemned people of wealth and championed the cause of the working man."33 57-08109 Schoenecker's report was given to the Warren Commission and published as CE 1962 in Volume 23, pp. 797-798), yet the Commission ignored Felde's statement and offered no explanation as to how Oswald could have been in Florida and Califor- nia at the same time. Further confirmation that Harvey Oswald was in California until May 1957 came from Oswald himself. After his arrest on November 22, 1963 the Dallas Police found a 7 -page handwritten account of his background among his possessions. Oswald w:rote that he had served in San Diego, Calif. from October 1956 to April 1957 and at Camp Pendleton (California) in April and May 1957.34 Finally, Allen Felde's arrival at Jacksonville in May was confirmed by the Ma- rine Corps records, the Marine Corps Unit Diaries, and the Marine Corps Unit Rosters. 57-16 These records help to establish the whereabouts of Harvey Oswald (thru his Ma- rine Corps assignments with Felde) and Lee Oswald from late 1956 thru September 1957. The FBI, following a now familiar pattern of ignoring troublesome witnesses, ignored Allen Felde's statement and failed to question a single Marine about Harvey Oswald's presence in Camp Pendleton thru April 1957. The Warren Commission, for their part, ignored the evidence before them that placed Lee Harvey Oswald in Camp Pendleton during April and May. They simply reviewed "Lee Harvey Oswald's" Ma- rine Corps records and concluded that he was in Jacksonville, Florida in March and April. 1957, and avoided the conflict. 35 May- Harvey Oswald and Allen Felde arrive in Jacksonville (May 2, 1957) Marine Corps Unit Diaries for Jacksonville, Florida prior to May 2, 1957 do not contain the name of Allen Felde. Felde's name first appears in the Marine Corps Unit Roster for Jacksonville on May 3, 1957. He told SA Robert Schoenecker that he was attending the Aviation Fundamentals School during this time.36 57-16 Felde was pro- moted to Private First Class (PFC) and the following day his assignment at Jackson- ville was extended for 7 weeks, until July 22, 1957.37 These entries agree with the statement Felde gave to FBI agent Robert Schoenecker who reported, "During May 1957, Oswald and Felde were transferred to the A&P School at Jacksonville, Florida ...... " 38 NOTE: Marine Corps Unit Diary 104-57, pp. 719 and 724 shows that Allen Felde arrived in Jacksonville on May 2, 1957, while Marine Corps Unit Diary 105-57, p. 722 shows that Camarata, Bandoni, Brereton, Schrand, Powers, and Lee Oswald departed for Biloxi on May 2. 1957.39 In other words, Harvey Oswald and Allen Felde arrived at Jacksonville as Lee Oswald and his group were leaving Jacksonville. Unfortunately, FBI agent Schoenecker reported nothing about Felde or Oswald's activities in Jacksonville during the months of May, June, or July 1957 (The Marine Corps Unit Diaries for Jacksonville end on May 3, 1957). If Marine Corps Unit Diaries or Rosters existed for Jacksonville in May, June, and July 1957, we would prob- ably see entries for Allen Felde and Lee Harvey Oswald. . . . . FBI agent Schoenecker reported, without realizing that Allen Felde's state- ments referred to Harvey Oswald, "During May 1957, Oswald and Felde were trans- ferred to the A&P School at Jacksonville, Florida and in approximately July 1957 they (he and Oswald) were both sent to Aviation Electronics School in Memphis. Once again Allen Felde's statement agrees with the Marine Corps Unit Diaries which confirm that he and Oswald were in Jacksonville until July 1957, and not in Biloxi nor on leave.43 By the end of July 1957 Allen Felde and Harvey Oswald had been together for nine months-through boot camp, (October thru December 1956-San Diego) ITR train- ing (January thru April1957-Camp Pendleton, California) and Jacksonville (May thru July 1957). Felde's claim that he was with Oswald in California until May, and was with Oswald in Jacksonville until July, conflicts with all known Warren Commission, FBI, and Marine Corps records (except, of course, the Marine Corps Unit Diaries). Allen Felde's 10-month association with Harvey Oswald, and their assignment in Memphis, TN, was undoubtedly the reason Felde was never allowed to testify be- fore the Warren Commission. This is probably the reason he disappeared and why many capable researchers have failed to locate him. I tracked Felde to Arizona by using a social security number issued to him in Wisconsin. In the late 1980's Felde changed his social security number and continued living at the same address, but denied that he was the "Allen Felde" who had served in the Marines with Lee Harvey Oswald. =========================== QUOTE OFF ======================== --Misc. excerpts above from pages 147-163 from John Armstrong's Harvey and Lee. I'm still not allowed to post any additional documents here, but if anyone would like to have some A. Felde docs emailed directly to them, just send me a private message on this forum. I'll do my best to comply. JIm

Yo, Parker, do you REALLY need the FBI to tell you how many days are in a school year? The answer is 180 days in 1 school year! Please tell me this is NEWS to you! Now, let's talk A. Felde!!!! ==================== QUOTE ON ====================== Marine Corps Unit Diaries On October 26 the name Lee H. Oswald first appears in the Marine Corps Unit Diaries at boot camp #257 56-27 NOTE: The Marine Corps Unit Diaries list the name, rank, service number, and mili- tary occupation specialty (MOS) of servicemen assigned to a particular location. The Diaries also record changes in assignments, activities and duties. The Diaries allow us to see, by name, rank, and serial number, the names of Marines who served with Harvey Oswald at a particular location, and the names of Marines who served with Lee Oswald at a particular location. The Marine Corps Unit Rosters, which are similar to the Diaries, list the name, rank, service number, and military occupation specialty ( MOS) of officers and enlisted person- nel at a particular location. Unit Diary #257-56 p. 1521 also lists the names of the three Dallas recruits who traveled to San Diego with Oswald-Donald G. Davis, Donald M. Elam, and Pleas G. Scott. A recruit named "Alexander D. Felde," with whom Harvey Oswald would spend the next 10 months, is also listed in the same diary. 56-28 The Marine Corps assigned service numbers in numerical order to recruits who enlisted at the same enlistment center. Recruits from the same town, who enlisted within days of each other, had similar service numbers. Alexander D. Felde's service number was 1641924, and is between Marine recruits with service numbers 1641923 and 1641927 (Leo C. King, Richard Rasmussen, Peter J. Scifo, and Joseph D. Socha). All of these recruits, including Felde, were from the Milwaukee, Wisconsin area and all en- listed between October 22nd and October 24th, 1956. Following the assassination the FBI interviewed Allen Robert Felde (on June 26, 1964) and reported, "He enlisted in the United States Marine Corps at Milwaukee, 147Wisconsin in October, 1956. He met Lee Harvey Oswald as a United States Marine Corps recruit about October 23, 1956 while both of them were assigned to Platoon 2060, 2nd Battalion, MCRD, San Diego."26 56-28 Allen Felde and Harvey Oswald's photographs appear in the Platoon 2060 yearbook, along with the young men who enlisted in Dal- las with Oswald and accompanied him on the flight to San Diego, (Scott, Elam, and Davis). Felde told the FBI he and Oswald were together through boot camp, ITR train- ing, A & P School in Jacksonville, and Aviation Electronics School in Memphis, TN. Marine Corps Unit Diaries confirm that Oswald and Felde were together at all of these locations except one (the one exception is Memphis-there are no Marine Corps Unit Diaries available for Memphis), but the diaries list Felde's name as "Alexander D. Felde" (instead of Allen R. Felde). It is almost certain that Alexander D. Felde· and Allen R. Felde are the same person, yet the first names and middle initials are differ- ent. After the assassination Felde was the only Marine interviewed by the FBI who had known Oswald in both boot camp and ITR training, and his statements about Oswald are significant. Neither the FBI nor Warren Commission interviewed Davis, Scott or Elam, but the FBI interviewed another recruit pictured in the Platoon 2060 book, Allen R. Felde. Felde told the FBI that he and Oswald were stationed together in boot camp at San Diego until January 1957, and then transferred to Camp Pendleton for combat training. Marine Corps Unit Diary 8-57, pg. 29 for January 18, 1957 and the unit roster confirm Felde's statement.3 January- following Harvey Oswald from boot camp thru ITR Following boot camp eight Marines from Platoon 2060, including Oswald, were transferred to Camp Pendleton, California for infantry training (ITR). Those eight Marines were Lee Harvey Oswald, Hubert C. Cooley, Gerald R. Crowley,* Alexander D. (Allen R.) Felde, Keith W. Marr, Carl G. Salway, Peter J. Scifo, Jr., and Robert W. Smith. Marine Corps Unit Diary #16-57, pg. 925 listed their transfer as "tempduins" (temporary duty under instruction),4 and they were assigned to the 2nd Infantry Train- ing Regiment (ITR). NOTE: Gerald R. Crowley should not be confused with Ronald Crawley, who knew Oswald in Japan The 8-man squad shared the same tent at Camp Pendleton and spent a lot of time together. Felde said that Oswald continually discussed politics, in which none of the young Marines had any interest, and he soon discovered that Oswald was "left- winged." On their first weekend leave the entire 8-man squad shared a taxicab to Tijuana, Mexico. Oswald left the group and was not seen again until the squad returned to Camp Pendleton on Sunday evening. Felde said that on at least four other occasions, when members of his squad took leave and rode a bus to Los Angeles, Oswald de- parted and was not seen again until they returned to Camp Pendleton.5 Felde was the only Marine interviewed by the FBI who went through boot camp and infantry train- ing (ITR) with Lee Harvey Oswald, yet he was not interviewed by the Warren Commission. [ . . . ] The Diaries, however, do not cover three very important locations in 1957, which conflict with the memories of Marines who were with Harvey Oswald: In March, April, and May 1957 Allen Felde was with Harvey Oswald at Camp Pendleton in California (The Marine Corps Unit Diaries for Camp Pendleton end on February 26, 1957). 57-08/09 In May, June, and July 1957 Allen Felde and Harvey Oswald were stationed in Jacksonville, FL (The Marine Corps Unit Diaries for Jacksonville end on May 3, 1957).57-08/09 From late July thru early September 1957 Allen Felde and Harvey Oswald were attending aviation electronics school in Memphis, TN. (There are no Marine Corps Unit Diaries for Memphis). 57-08/09 March/ April- Harvey and Felde at Camp Pendleton, CA Shortly after the assassination FBI Special Agent (SA) Robert Schoenecker interviewed Allen Felde in Milwaukee, WI and reported: "Both men (Felde and Lee Harvey Oswald) were stationed at San Diego (Boot Camp) until January, 1957, at which time Felde stated that they were trans- ferred to Camp Pendleton (ITR training) for combat training. This combat training lasted until May 1957." ..... until May 1957 32 57-08 SA Schoenecker reported, "Oswald impressed Felde as being 'left-winged.' Oswald continually discussed politics and wrote to US senators, particularly Senator Thurmond. Oswald condemned people of wealth and championed the cause of the working man."33 57-08109 Schoenecker's report was given to the Warren Commission and published as CE 1962 in Volume 23, pp. 797-798), yet the Commission ignored Felde's statement and offered no explanation as to how Oswald could have been in Florida and Califor- nia at the same time. Further confirmation that Harvey Oswald was in California until May 1957 came from Oswald himself. After his arrest on November 22, 1963 the Dallas Police found a 7 -page handwritten account of his background among his possessions. Oswald w:rote that he had served in San Diego, Calif. from October 1956 to April 1957 and at Camp Pendleton (California) in April and May 1957.34 Finally, Allen Felde's arrival at Jacksonville in May was confirmed by the Ma- rine Corps records, the Marine Corps Unit Diaries, and the Marine Corps Unit Rosters. 57-16 These records help to establish the whereabouts of Harvey Oswald (thru his Ma- rine Corps assignments with Felde) and Lee Oswald from late 1956 thru September 1957. The FBI, following a now familiar pattern of ignoring troublesome witnesses, ignored Allen Felde's statement and failed to question a single Marine about Harvey Oswald's presence in Camp Pendleton thru April 1957. The Warren Commission, for their part, ignored the evidence before them that placed Lee Harvey Oswald in Camp Pendleton during April and May. They simply reviewed "Lee Harvey Oswald's" Ma- rine Corps records and concluded that he was in Jacksonville, Florida in March and April. 1957, and avoided the conflict. 35 May- Harvey Oswald and Allen Felde arrive in Jacksonville (May 2, 1957) Marine Corps Unit Diaries for Jacksonville, Florida prior to May 2, 1957 do not contain the name of Allen Felde. Felde's name first appears in the Marine Corps Unit Roster for Jacksonville on May 3, 1957. He told SA Robert Schoenecker that he was attending the Aviation Fundamentals School during this time.36 57-16 Felde was pro- moted to Private First Class (PFC) and the following day his assignment at Jackson- ville was extended for 7 weeks, until July 22, 1957.37 These entries agree with the statement Felde gave to FBI agent Robert Schoenecker who reported, "During May 1957, Oswald and Felde were transferred to the A&P School at Jacksonville, Florida ...... " 38 NOTE: Marine Corps Unit Diary 104-57, pp. 719 and 724 shows that Allen Felde arrived in Jacksonville on May 2, 1957, while Marine Corps Unit Diary 105-57, p. 722 shows that Camarata, Bandoni, Brereton, Schrand, Powers, and Lee Oswald departed for Biloxi on May 2. 1957.39 In other words, Harvey Oswald and Allen Felde arrived at Jacksonville as Lee Oswald and his group were leaving Jacksonville. Unfortunately, FBI agent Schoenecker reported nothing about Felde or Oswald's activities in Jacksonville during the months of May, June, or July 1957 (The Marine Corps Unit Diaries for Jacksonville end on May 3, 1957). If Marine Corps Unit Diaries or Rosters existed for Jacksonville in May, June, and July 1957, we would prob- ably see entries for Allen Felde and Lee Harvey Oswald. . . . . FBI agent Schoenecker reported, without realizing that Allen Felde's state- ments referred to Harvey Oswald, "During May 1957, Oswald and Felde were trans- ferred to the A&P School at Jacksonville, Florida and in approximately July 1957 they (he and Oswald) were both sent to Aviation Electronics School in Memphis. Once again Allen Felde's statement agrees with the Marine Corps Unit Diaries which confirm that he and Oswald were in Jacksonville until July 1957, and not in Biloxi nor on leave.43 By the end of July 1957 Allen Felde and Harvey Oswald had been together for nine months-through boot camp, (October thru December 1956-San Diego) ITR train- ing (January thru April1957-Camp Pendleton, California) and Jacksonville (May thru July 1957). Felde's claim that he was with Oswald in California until May, and was with Oswald in Jacksonville until July, conflicts with all known Warren Commission, FBI, and Marine Corps records (except, of course, the Marine Corps Unit Diaries). Allen Felde's 10-month association with Harvey Oswald, and their assignment in Memphis, TN, was undoubtedly the reason Felde was never allowed to testify be- fore the Warren Commission. This is probably the reason he disappeared and why many capable researchers have failed to locate him. I tracked Felde to Arizona by using a social security number issued to him in Wisconsin. In the late 1980's Felde changed his social security number and continued living at the same address, but denied that he was the "Allen Felde" who had served in the Marines with Lee Harvey Oswald. =========================== QUOTE OFF ======================== --Misc. excerpts above from pages 147-163 from John Armstrong's Harvey and Lee.

School days in a school year are remarkably consistent, DJ. That number usually comes to almost exactly 180 or 181 school days per school year. No one needs to count as high as 200 for that! Does anyone here disagree with these numbers?

Go, Jim, go!!! Great to see you back here!!!