Joe Bauer

The Lee Harvey Oswald file papers James Hosty was ordered to "get rid of" might not have been destroyed so easily and quickly.

I think it would be extremely interesting and thought provoking to read our member's shared speculations regarding such a scenario.

I think the feds may have taken over Oswald's security after such a near miss incident.

I also think the Dallas FBI would have freaked out. They didn't destroy Oswald's file just to clear space in their storage cabinets.

LBJ, J. Edgar Hoover and others might have had heart attacks.

America is a nation and society so diverse in every way...economic, culture, ethnicity, ideologically, politically, socially, gender and age, geographically and in a daily changing way that it is impossible to discuss any inclusive national policy direction with any rational and logical framework without realizing we are living in an almost out-of-control, runaway train cultural situation.

From one state to another, one county and city to another and even one neighborhood to another, we have so much diversity (and disparity) it's just...well...crazy!

Here in California for instance, we have enclaves of super wealthy, living just miles from the extreme opposite lowest end spectrum of poverty, homelessness and crime.

Miles away from populations that speak different languages, eat different foods, have totally different cultural and moral beliefs. 

Travel the country and you will see living environments and cultural ways as different from each other as night and day.

Illegal immigration of up to 50 million in the last 20 to 30 years has exasperated this diversity even more. Seems like 1/3rd have settled here in California.

Up and down California it is more Mexico and Central American in language and culture now than the typical traditional American English language culture we experienced up until the 1990's and still see in most of the upper latitude parts of our country.

Hispanics are the majority ethnic population in California now. Caucasions are only 38% of the population.

In just one or two generations, the ethnic culture, language and value change dynamic in many parts of the U.S. ( California is just crazy this way ) has changed more than at any other time in the last 140 years.

It is going to take multiple massive hard facts studies in the diversity reality of this country to even begin to address our most pressing needs in national policy and priority decision making.

America is like a huge ship with 100 engines operating at different speeds and 100 different groups of passengers all wanting to steer the rudder in different directions.

I imagine Hubert Clark making a bustling beeline to the nearest outdoor exit the second he left the table and once outside letting out a clenched fist primal scream release after that gut wrenching constant interrupting interview by that Dr. Mad Scientist looking guy.

There were a few times it looked like Clark was ready to bop his mike on the manic over-talking interviewer's head or grab him by the throat and through gritted teeth growl..."don't you ever SHUT UP!"

If I was there and had an over-ripe tomato I really think I would have zinged the interviewer in the head with it.

Several times Clark's head reared back and with his eyes looking as if they were popping out just glared at this jabbering fool of an interviewer. Like he couldn't believe how he got trapped into this meet up with this incessant babbling, wild white haired loon!

A few questions for Clark however.

When he said he and his casket removal team met the Andrews Air Base arriving ambulance with JFK's casket inside at the main administrative entrance to Bethesda did he think he and his team would physically carry JFK's casket all the way to the back and the morgue entrance there?

Or were they supposed to place the casket in the pickup they were riding in to drive it to the morgue entrance?

Maybe the ambulance driver didn't know this plan, and figured he would drive the casket to the morgue entrance himself?

Maybe the ambulance driver sped away as fast as he did trying to avoid what he thought might be press people following him?

Hence, the lights out thing as well?

Clark said the burial casket weighed 1400 pounds?

My Gad!  That was about the weight of a Volkswagon beetle!

Back injury weight.

Clark says a black car delivered a grey ( silver) colored ( shipping ) casket to the morgue loading dock well before the delivery of the Dallas originating bronze one.

Is he simply repeating Dennis David's account of this without seeing it for himself?

Lastly, did the embalming of JFK's body after the autopsy take place in the Bethesda morgue itself?

Or, was JFK's body driven to the embalmer's funeral home for this procedure?

Never could understand that aspect of the JFK body work.

Listened to some of Trump's Wyoming rally rantings on Fox News yesterday.

The entire rally visual set up seems so over-dressed red, white and blue flag and poster waving, MAGA hat wearing and over yelling hyped-up audience artificial to me.

It reminded me of those hugely staged evangelical TV preacher shows shown on national TV years ago back in the 1960s.

Jimmy Swaggert, Oral Roberts and other teary eyed, raised face praying animated representatives of the Christian word, working their audiences into body shaking, arm thrusting, "hallelujah" shrieking frenzies.

With loud and dramatic organ musical accompaniment to further work up their almost VOODOO crazed audience.

"HEAL...HEAL...HEEAAAL THIS PITIFUL SINNER" head grabbing and throwing back theatrics!

And throughout this Chevy Chase comedy show would be constantly shown TV screen pleadings for "blessed money donations" with addresses to send these to.

Trump rallies seem like clones of those crazy, phony, exaggerated God fearing religious service shows in the 60's. Where most of the most famous preachers were exposed as hugely corrupted phonies. Roberts, Swaggert, Jim Baker, etc.

Way over acted audience theatrics. Cheering, flag waving, laughing at Trump's bad jokes.

Trump is STILL claiming the 2018 election was rigged.

He flat out called the jailed January 6th Capital building insurrectionists ..."political prisoners!"

His entire angry spiel was attacking the Dems or anyone else opposed to his will, especially Liz Cheney and Nancy Pelosi and/or bragging about his great achievements and genius.

I swear, if 50,000 American Board certified psychologists had their way...Trump would detained in a psych ward as a dangerous demagogue who has convinced half the country into believing and embracing his own false reality delusions!

Trump rallies are as crazy and phony looking and sounding as those "Halleluja" shouting and head grabbing "HEAL- HEAL" Evangelical TV preacher ones back in the 1960's.

I think

On 5/28/2022 at 9:18 PM, Ron Bulman said:

If asked to define it in a nutshell I'd say the 1%, maybe the 5%.  The Billionaires control our country. 

>>> IT'S NOT A DEMOCRACY BUT AN OLIGARCHY <<<

The own both parties through lobbyists, virtually all the M$M, the corporations and the MIC.  The Koch brothers and Buchanan among others.  Citizens United finished sinking the ship years ago.  My only foreloin hope was a resurrection of the DP but that seems a little out of reach now.  I hope I'm wrong. 

The CIA, MIC, Wall Street are all tools of it. 

 

 

Ron's nutshell summary above seems common sense logical to me.

During his run for the presidency in 1992 Ross Perot repeatedly stated that the main problem with our federal government executive and congressional branches was "the out-of-control influence of the massive number of corporate lobbyists upon them."

An influence that superceded that of average working class and poorer Americans and always benefitted the "majority" owners of these corporations. Basically the 1 to 5%. The 1 to 5% who own 85% of the wealth of this country with the other 95% owning the last 15%, with the majority of that left over wealth owned by the top 25% of the 95%.

Perot said his number 1 priority if elected would be to break the hold of these corporate lobbyists.

You will remember Ross Perot dropped out of the race just weeks before the election due to all the threats made to harm his family which he believed and took that seriously.

I also believe that our non-elected, hugely limited oversight, secret agencies have grown in power, influence and control beyond anything average Americans could even fathom with trillions of black budget dollars sucked up since JFK's time.

JFK's worst unfettered secrecy fear realized?

Coupled with Eisenhour's MIC biggest threat to our democracy warning which has also been realized to it's worst possible degree.

A bonded corporate, military, industrial, congressional and secret intel agency complex controlled and mostly owned by that 1 to 5% and that Bill Clinton once categorized on a late night national TV talk show as ..." a  secret government."

One that prevented him and other presidents from knowing anything substantial regards greatest secret of all time. The ET one.

The gate keeper holders and controllers of this greatest secret have probably held and used the importance of this secret as a controlling hammer over all other leadership groups in our country, elected and not.

As far back as JFK times this was a huge hidden elephant in the room.

Doug Caddy even claims E. Howard Hunt personally told him JFK was killed over it.

And when Helms told Nixon where to shove it by disobeying a direct order from Nixon to release information to his people about the JFK assassination (that Nixon was hoping to use as leverage in his desperate attempt to control the ever growing Watergate criminal investigation) you saw how powerful the CIA had become even as early as 1974.

Telling Presidents where to go. Ignoring direct orders from them?

48 years and trillions of dollars later can anyone prove that this unelected power hasn't grown exponentially?

Just my common man gut feeling take.

11 minutes ago, Douglas Caddy said:

They may have bailed but can still be nailed for the NRA donations they received.

Running and hiding from their long time NRA cash receiving histories.

Vince, I watch and enjoy all of your videos.

This one is just another of your relaxed, easy going, down to Earth, dry humor funny yet thought provoking and general take informing presentations.

New book promoting, yes. I hope you sell 1 million copies.

There is a humble "everyman" style quality to your videos. Like sitting with a friendly next door neighbor on their patio sharing a beer?

Your average Joe demeanor is refreshing to me and contrast the fact that you are a nationally and even internationally known, highly regarded multi-book published icon in the JFK research community the last 20 years. One might expect someone of your stature to have at least a tinge of haughtiness when speaking.

Even your video filming location in this one is a beautiful outdoor "fresh air" scene that is relaxing to view.

Where the heck is that locale? Beautiful trees. Nice long swaths of green grass just below you although it looks like the person mowing this just took a beer lunch break or his riding mower broke down as the mowing is only half finished!

You mentioned your age as 55.

No, I refuse to believe that. Your hair has no grey! You have the smooth facial skin of a teenager? 

I was totally grey haired, wrinkle creased and straggly whisker grisled at 50!

Seriously, you aren't aging like the rest of us!

Is there something in the water there where you live? Or the beer and piroshky?

And lastly Vince, do you realize you are a true "doppleganger" of the famous A-List actor Jonah Hill?

The resemblance is amazing!

I also didn't know that you were a famous band guitar player in your younger days.

The "Silent Choir?"

See pic.

You are an amazing person of incredible talents, will, drive and justice seeking courage Mr. Palamara.

You have added so much to this JFK truth and justice seeking mission world of ours. Thank you.

Thank you

1 hour ago, Greg Doudna said:

 

That does not apply to the roughly half of the wealth in America which did not come to its owners as a result of doing any work or achievement. Roughly half of wealth of America is not self-made. Its inherited. A modern neo-feudal system, differing from medieval feudalism only in that there is some permeability or mobility for the motivated, but from data there is not a lot of permeability or mobility in terms of aggregate numbers. Owners of vast wealth, born into that wealth, entitled to receive as streams of eternal passive income rents from the rest of the people who work for a living. That steady stream of gentleman's income--passive income or transfer payments from sharecroppers who do the work producing the wealth. Standard financial education in America teaches as a first rule that the worst way to build wealth in terms of the tax code is to work for it--the best way is passive income and investment income since it is taxed at lower percentage rates than income earned from work. The owners of the fortunes of inherited wealth get more of their income passively, which receives more favorable tax treatment than the larger number of people receive whose income comes from working for it. 

For example, the Walmart heirs own as much as the bottom 40% of all Americans, the bottom 100 million of Americans, put together. They didn't produce that wealth. They inherited it. Walmart pays its workforce so little that Walmart employees cost the federal budget $300 million--a third of a billion-- per year in food stamps alone (and that's not counting other socialized costs of medical care and other things for the Walmart workforce) . . . because despite working very hard Walmart employees do not earn enough to eat. That is like a megabillionaire making his neighbors-- socializing costs via taxing the poor neighbors--pay for the hay to feed his horses rather than pay for the hay to feed his own horses out of his own megabillions.

Inheritance for All funded by a dedicated pass-through inheritance tax I believe would be supported by some superwealthy who do not now support existing inheritance taxes for this reason: part of the resistance to taxation is if one feels the money is being ripped off and going to corrupt purposes. That is a widely-held perception of tax revenue going into the general budget in the US. However, the Inheritance for All Piketty proposal would be a different matter, in which 100% of that inheritance tax (which would replace all other inheritance taxes) would be dedicated, go into a pass-through trust fund directly through to lump-sum citizen-birthright inheritances on every American's 25th birthday. The only costs would be the administrative costs of the trust fund itself. On analogy with the dedicated trust fund of the Social Security retirement insurance system, in which 99% of revenue (the payroll tax and self-employment tax for Social Security) goes to beneficiaries with only 1% in administrative costs (that 99% efficiency of the US Social Security bureaucracy being an efficiency which no private sector for-profit insurance companies [typically ca. 80%] or non-profit charities [typically ca. 50%] begin to match) . . . on that analogy, a similar 99% pass-through bureaucratic efficiency might be the case in Inheritance for All.

The very efficiency, the dedicated-earmarked feature (not going into general revenue), and the highly visible positive transformative effects of seeing tens of millions of hardworking American families have each of their children receive a stake at age 25 to start a business or buy a home or have assets in the bank, in addition to any wealth those families themselves are able to pass on (for too much of America that being close to zero) . . . those two factors, differing from existing inheritance taxes, I believe would have some super-wealthy--higher numbers than the approximately 0% that you believe or are projecting, whichever it is--in personal support of Inheritance for All, although the tax system is not dependent on receiving individual personal approval for its enforcement. 

You are aware that the vast majority of those who pay Social Security taxes support having the Social Security system paid for by those taxes? Maybe not on day one, but I could see a significant number of super-wealthy, after getting used to the idea, agreeable or even proud to be part of a system in which a third of their vast fortunes still go to their heirs (to rebuild above and beyond former levels in their lifetimes without much difficulty, even totally passive investments would do that), and two-thirds to inheritances to tens of million children of the rest of their less-better-off fellow Americans, also getting a start in life with the kind of opportunity that assets--capital--deliver. If they saw a dedicated trust fund was actually delivering that directly (not swallowed amorphously into general revenue never to be seen again). And closing of loopholes and reduction of gaming of the system are surely solvable issues, not insurmountable objections or reasons not to have a tax system in the first place. 

The alternative is continue with neo-feudalism and increasing wealth inequality. On a fundamental level, some are OK with that and some are not OK with that. This goes to core ideology and vision of the world.

You claim to decry neo-feudalism and yet you have not offered a program, and reject out of hand from a standpoint of ignorance the economist Piketty's serious proposal for such a program that would substantively address the problem you claim you care about. 

Some excellent points.

Funny, in the old western movies all you saw was smoke coming out from the guns being fired. Lots of it.

The old TV show "Gunsmoke" showed this every time when there was a gunfight between some drunk rabble-rousing cowhand and Matt Dillon.

In modern day shoot em up movies like Bond, Bourne, Taken you never see gun smoke.

8 hours ago, Michael Crane said:

Joe,I have seen footage of a gunman shooting down at people,and the smoke that was emitted from the rifle was astounding.I would have never believed it if I didn't see it for myself.Now,I'm not saying that the rifle smoke was equivalent to the smoke coming from the trees.

A long time ago,there was a researcher on here that was able to capture some movement coming from that tree.But it was nothing that could be proven that it was a person.

 

Yes, that is a puff of smoke alright.

The smoke from behind the fence.

Reported by too many within seconds after the shooting to be viably discounted.

Surely smoke did arise from there and it wasn't Camel non-filter cigarette exhale.

The shots from the TXSBD were right at the window.

Yet, no one ever reported seeing or even smelling smoke, even the three employees just ten feet under that window.

Larry's picket fence smoke device diversion idea makes sense.

I'm no expert, but what rifle shooting I have ever seen didn't create hardly any visible smoke from the barrel.

Now, those civil and revolutionary war rifle shots sure did however.

Firecracker mostly but a few also stated motorcycle engine backfire.

Some ID'd the first shot as a "report" ... i.e. rifle gunshot.

One could have really different takes depending on where they were located in that odd structural and landscape layout echo chamber called Dealey Plaza.

Roger Craig and his fellow sheriff's were around the corner on Main street, not even in Dealey Plaza, and yet heard the shots clearly.

Did you recount this from a book Gil?

A question.

When the FBI interrogated Joseph Milteer after JFK's murder,

did they play back his JFK death predictions made to Sommerset in the Miami hotel tape?

Among many questions I would have asked Milteer was how his predictive description of JFK's murder was exactly the way JFK was killed?

My guess is Milteer would have sat there completely silent.

The Miami PD cancelled a JFK motorcade due to that Milteer tape.

Now there was a responsible and uncorrupted police force regards JFK's security.

The FBI knew of the Milteer threat...did they ever share this with the Dallas PD?

If so, it wasn't enough for the Dallas PD or the SS to cancel the Dallas  motorcade?

Clint Hill repeated time and time again, in response to constant questions from his talk appearance audiences why the higher floor windows along the Dallas motorcade route weren't checked while JFK was passing beneath them, that his agency simply didn't have the manpower to check every upper floor open windows along the route.

Knowing this security manpower deficiency, and right after the Miami trip and Milteer's threat tape, they nor any other JFK security tasked police agency didn't think of placing even just one or two men on both sides of each block of the parade route street during the high rise part of it?

Men with binoculars and walkie talkies who would focus every second on these high rise open windows while JFK was being driven underneath?

If they had just one or two of these binocular equipped high rise open window monitoring men in Dealey Plaza they for sure would have seen what non-binocular equipped Arnold Rowland and Carolyn Walthers saw in those upper floor TXSBD windows just before or even during JFK'S  one to two minute drive by underneath. A man or men holding high power rifles just inside these.

Since JFK's murder took place because of this one main security lapse...you'd think Hill would at least add a greatest regret caveat in his SS non-open window monitoring defense excuse that it was the SS's biggest mistake in their worst case scenario failed protection of our president?

Ruth was completely taken by the young, attractive, intelligent and Russian speaking Marina.

Ruth couldn't stand Lee. Her tolerance of Lee was a price to pay to be close to Marina.

Ruth had been attracted to the Russian people, language and a Quaker moral cause of helping to bring the world peace threatening Russian/ American cold war tensions to a better place in some personal way for years before meeting Marina. She even traveled there and maintained pen pal type correspondence with some she had met...correct?

In Marina I believe Ruth found not just a much more personal close-to-home way to engage not only her interest in things Russian and Russian/American cold war tensions, but a young mother who really was in basic needs stress and whom she could help significantly .

Jumping in all the way, she soon proposed the pregnant Marina and her child Junie actually come back to live with her in Irving. 

I recall an interview of RP years after 1963, describing visiting Marina in New Orleans in the summer of 1963 ( I believe on her way back from a weeks long summer visit to her CIA employed sister in Virginia? ) where she found the living conditions in the apartment Marina and Lee were residing in disgusting and appalling.

According to Ruth, there were cockroaches everywhere. For Ruth and her own two children to stay the night in this apartment, she had to get a can of roach killer and spray a circle on the floor before she created a bed situation for them there.

It was after this night there amidst the cockroaches that Ruth made her pitch to have Marina come back to Irving to live right in her own home with her, at least through the birth of her child.

That's a rare and deep commitment of help seldom offered to anyone in need.

However, I sense this must have been a very fulfilling and even exciting new cause for Ruth. 

Rescuing this beautiful, interesting and needy young pregnant mother and child from not just a cockroach infested living situation but also from her poorly providing, controlling and boorish cad of a husband.

Also, Ruth even admitted, she was lonely by herself with her own two children and being estranged from Michael Paine.

Bringing Marina and baby June right into her own home satisfied Ruth's own personal need and desire for companionship with a nifty bonus of stimulating intellectual Russian language and cultural sharing to boot.

I also suspect Marina's sparkling blue-eyed youthful feminine beauty along with a kind of mysterious air of intrigue in her curious Russian upbringing and quiet but intelligent reservedness only added to Ruth's attraction to her ... hence it was the perfect match for both her and Marina in Ruth's mind.

If Marina looked like Ruth Buzzi and exhibited any weird behavior at all I don't think Ruth would have ever jumped in so enthusiastically as she did with this deepest personal commitment of shared home help.

Ruth also stated she spent her own monies for things like extra groceries, etc.

Ruth apparently developed deep personal feelings for Marina during their time together.

Ruth stated she was hurt that Marina cut her off 100% soon after the agencies absconded with her and redirected Marina into a new life totally removed from Ruth.

Ruth probably had at least a little normal human sympathy for Lee now and then.

She couldn't stand him personally and seemed to view him as a pathetic person. As did her husband Michael, who even described him with arrogant intellectual disdain.

Ruth knew Lee was going to lose Marina eventually.

Lee just didn't have the ability to provide anything but low income environs for Marina and his children and it would be just a matter of time before another man of means would go after such a stunning young beauty as Marina was.

Marina was a catch. Too much so for Lee.

I think Ruth just wanted Lee to go away.

If Ruth and Michael Paine were not involved in intelligence intrigue regards Oswald, I believe in the least, they didn't care what happened to Lee regards his arrest circumstances. I think they may have even not felt any sorrow for him when he was brutally and painfully killed by Jack Ruby.

Maybe thinking Marina was now free from the heavy yoke of Lee's oppressive and poorly providing control?

1 hour ago, W. Niederhut said:

Yes, Matt, Murdoch's propaganda empire (including WSJ) is going to be broadcasting a lot of shiny objects in the next few weeks to deflect attention from the damning evidence about Trump's January 6th coup attempt.

We all know that in every media way possible the Trump enabling wealthy will be mounting a massively funded campaign of deflection and downplaying the January 6th coup attempt.

That's how things work in this country.

Every right wing paid radio talk show host ( 50 million listeners every day ) will be given a point by point diversion and downplaying brainwashing game plan to aggressively promote throughout  the hearings.

1 hour ago, Keyvan Shahrdar said:

No damage to the front top windshield at love field.  I did a side by side comparison.

Finally...proof!

42 minutes ago, Denny Zartman said:

Excellent work, @Keyvan Shahrdar. I think you've done it. The bullet hole in the chrome over the windshield is not visible in the picture taken at Love Field.

That close up photo, although quite grainy, does look like there is no indentation/scrunched up surrounding metal damage on the frame.

Especially when you place a photo of the actual damage right next to it.

I didn't realize how the damage area was just an inch or so to the right directly above the rearview mirror.

Even with the visors flipped all the way up, you can see the area in question via your photo.

With this photographic "proof" can everyone "NOW ADMIT" that the windshield indentation came during the Dealey Plaza shooting?

And with this fact proven, can we now study trajectory angles based on the hole itself? As I have said, that hole is not one facing straight back or left towards JFK's head indicating that it did not come from a fragment of a bullet going into and then out of JFK's skull.

It looks like what ever made that circular hole came in from an angle more from the back right versus the back left one of the 6th floor window.

25 minutes ago, Chris Barnard said:

Hi Greg,

I am for equality of opportunity, not equality of outcome doctrines, as I think the latter makes things much worse. How do you propose that reparations will work? How much and who pays? 

As you've pointed out there white slaves/servants and if you look at history in its entirety, almost every race and culture has kept slaves. It's estimated that 12 million slaves crossed the Atlantic going west and that 18 million traveled east. It's just the ones that traveled east were castrated so they couldn't procreate. There are some academics who claim that there are more slaves in the world today than back then. If you work 10 hours per day for money that barely feeds you, doing debilitating work that reduces your life expectancy, is that not slavery? Do you think aside from the African slaves who helped build America that other groups should also receive reparations? What about anybody of native American heritage? Then let's look at the all of the countries abroad that have been exploited because of America, Britain etc, denying them a right to equality, because of economic policy. Do they deserve reparations, or because they were paid a pittance, is that ok? The point I am trying to make here is; how do you possibly begin to address this? And who pays? This is the story of human history. How do you get the point where everyone has an equal amount of capital and rebalance all of the injustices of the past? Also, do we think these El Salvadorian, Mexican or Guatemalan maids working in the houses of Democrats and Republican politicians have good self esteem, opportunities, wages, or do they feel like servants? Slaves? Did they choose that job, that life? Are past injustices responsible? 

For me, governments should have been doing all they can to raise the standard of living in impoverished areas, education, policing, recreational facilities, access to nutritious foods, opportunities etc. That should be addressed everywhere, not just in areas of ethnic minorities. Instead they've been convincing you guys that wars that make the rich richer, and a pandemic that amounted to a bad flu was the right thing to spend taxes on. All it did was pass money into the hands of the very wealthy. 

I forget who said it, but, someone notable said "slavery wasn't abolished, it was just made open to all races." Look at how much you are being taxed and where the money is going. The middle class is dissolving and merging into the poor. The window of opportunity have upward mobility is closing and you'll just end up with an elite and a poor. 

One the present trajectory, you could give the poor the same amount of capital, and within a short space of time, the elites would have robbed them of it. 

I am interested in solutions that work. 

Agree with almost all your points Chris.

I cannot articulate my observations and thoughts about the American world we live in as well as you and so many others here on the forum do. 

Hence, I read other's postulations about such things much more than I post. 

Still, when I am impassioned enough by others posting here, I will toss out some reactive blips myself now and then despite my literary skill shortcomings.

And I believe in my own rational thinking honesty, common man concern moral guide integrity and life experience wisdom just enough to trust that what I do share here is generally worthy to a fair degree.

The thing I have come to realize most about America and the lives of at least half its citizens since my birth in 1951 is how our collective common bond societal health, welfare and democratic, constitutional based government structure respect and appreciation is dependent upon our individual and family economic status.

The more Americans are under daily, monthly and yearly financial stress the more everything else in their lives ( and our society's cohesive well being ) tends to fall apart.

I haven't seen so many people in this country under this kind of stress anything  close to what we are seeing now.

Rents, food, gas, health care, health insurance costs and on and on ... are so inflated many are simply doing without these things.

Over half of this country's entire population will never be able to buy a home. Help their kids any more than themselves. Go on a simple vacation more than 100 miles from their residences. And anything and everything else we are told is the American good life.

Not to say everyone should have more than the basic necessities but even these needs are not being met ...for 10's of millions of Americans...every day...for years!

We have let our middle class and lower middle class go since the 1970's imo.

Yet, at the same time, we see our top 5% increase their 85% ownership of everything in this country to ever higher and growing levels.

And using 40% to 50% of our budget monies on our military for the last 70 years is also part of our great national middle class economic stress.                                                                                                                                                                 

IMO...when a nation allows their huge majority middle class to drop to lower middle class and even poorer standard of living levels, with never ending 24/7 financial neglect and stress ( for years ) they are begging for this old adage " a nation divided ( economically ) will not stand."

Massive unrest is ever more possible.

And half of our stressed are perversely constantly barraged with right wing radio and TV ( Fox News ) hate reporting, 24/7 nation wide.

Further dividing us. Turning us against each other.

Democrats and liberals are baby killing commie, queer and unpatriotic criminals or even demons.

How will this dangerous and ever increasing national stress ever start to resolve and reverse?

That's a question I certainly don't have an answer to.

6 hours ago, Keyvan Shahrdar said:

No damage to the top of the windshield at Love Field.

The hole in the left side was there.

Nice picture KS, however, the front windshield visors are flipped all the way up and are completely blocking any view of the windshield upper frame.

If only we could get a view of the frame while the limo was at Love Field that morning with the visors down.

44 minutes ago, Gil Jesus said:

 

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20 minutes ago, Pamela Brown said:

Joe Bauer said: 

"This is mentioned in SS Chief Rowley's Jan.6, 1964 letter:

http://ss100x.com/Rowley3.gif

PB... I just read the letter your link provided."

Joe,

Rowley's letter was written in response to Vaughn Ferguson's memo of December 18, 1963. It is full of excuses as a result...

https://ss100x.wordpress.com/2013/12/08/mb2b-exhibit-6/

I just viewed this memo of Vaughn Ferguson.

Is that the full memo? It is so short.

And no mention of the upper windshield chrome frame damage.

How could Chief Rowley's letter regarding the windshield frame indentation provenance be a response to the Ferguson memo when in this memo there is no mention of the indentation?

12 hours ago, Michael Crane said:

The brains weight is beyond absurd & is up there with the single bullet theory & magic bullet.Be prepared for the establishment to say that the brain must have been weighed while infused.Humes might not have even wrote that weight down.I think I read somewhere that the report at one time did not have the weight listed & was filled in at a later time.But don't hold me to that,I don't keep any info stored.

True. The brain weight wasn't listed in Humes's autopsy summary report until much later.

When asked why he didn't weigh the brain or listed a weight, Humes told a committee he "simply didn't know" why the brain wasn't weighed at the same time all the other major organs were weighed and recorded.

11 hours ago, Pamela Brown said:

This is mentioned in SS Chief Rowley's Jan.6, 1964 letter:

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PB... I just read the letter your link provided.

The one where SA Geis ( in charge of the limo maintenance) is cited where he states he thought the windshield frame indentation damage happened much earlier than 11/22/1963.

And body shop manager Paul Michel states the damage could have happened at his shop although he didn't personally see or recall the exact incident.

This explanation for the frame damage happening much earlier than 11/22/1963 would have some merit due to the fact that the SA agent Geis was personally responsible for the limo maintenance and body shop owner Paul Michel "kind of" backed up Geis's recollection and opinion of an earlier damage provenance date.

Rereading the letter however, I noticed that SA Geis's time line for the damaged limo windshield frame incident was..."NOVEMBER 1st, 1961 !"

2 years before Dealey Plaza !?

Wait a minute ... wait-a-minute!

If the sharp and up close photo shared by Sean Coleman above genuinely shows this same JFK Dallas motorcade limo and this was taken on "June 23rd of 1963" while it was being used in Germany, and it clearly shows no damage to the frame at all, I think we have a laughingly obvious contradiction to the Geis damage provenance citing letter.

And if this windshield frame damage was done in November 1961...you really think it would go unnoticed and unaddressed for 2 years?

Our premier presidential motorcade limo left with junk yard damage like that?

No limo washer ever saw and reported this ugly twisted scrunched up metal bordered hole?

I also noticed that whoever wrote this earlier year date damage provenance letter just had to add their personal opinion of downplaying the ugly dent. It wasn't that noticeable. The visors blocked it's visibility, etc.

Lastly, the letter also cites two agents recollection of retrieving a large 3 inch sized piece of JFK's exploded skull on the limo floor. At "8 PM" on 11/22/1963?

After JFK's autopsy had begun? Did the SS agent in charge immediately race to Bethesda to give the autopsy team this piece of JFK's skull? Was there any mention in Humes's testimony of this happening?

And these agents also found some of JFK's brain matter still on the limo seat.

Jackie Kennedy also had more of her husband's brain matter in her hand in the Parkland ER room.

The two Dallas motorcycle patrolmen just behind JFK's limo said they were also hit with enough of JFK's brain matter they felt it's impact on their faces and bodies.

Some Parkland ER room staff reported even more of JFK's brain matter had oozed out of the back of his head while he was being attended to there.

That's a lot of lost JFK brain matter ... no?

Yet, Commander Humes final autopsy report listed JFK's brain weight as greater than an average man's intact brain weight?                   

5 minutes ago, Sean Coleman said:

This pic from June 63 shows no damage. But I am sure there’s a pic of the undamaged windshield tin trim from the Air Force Base visit on 21 November out there somewhere…..frustratingly cannot  find it 

Yes SC.

This June 1963 picture "proves" that at least we know for sure that up until that time the limo did not have the indentation.

Great pic by the way. Thanks for finding and posting this.

I think I also saw a picture posted once of the limo that with magnification you could see no indentation. And this was just days before 1,22,1963.

That photo could prove once and for all that the indentation happened during the shooting with a slim possibility that it happened just days before.

One must strongly and logically consider the profound smoking gun implications of this indentation if it occurred during the Dealey Plaza shooting. 

With an incoming entry angle clearly farther right to left than the Texas School Book Depository 6th floor window to JFK's head shot bullet trajectory, it shows another gunman...perhaps in a window location opposite of the 6th floor window one?