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Interestingly Harrison Livingstone also lived here on the Monterey Peninsula.
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4 hours ago, Jamey Flanagan said:
I don't know about the rest of you, but I love listening to old broadcast from her! I think her perspective was ahead of it's time and that she was closer to the truth in a lot of these things than many thought at the time. I hope her research finds a good home!
I agree.
If we owned a home and we had a large dry, indoor storage room I would take it all in a minute. Sounds like the family does not want to give it up to a university. They want sole ownership.
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This ad was posted in the February 25th edition of the Carmel Pine Cone newspaper in Carmel. CA.
Must be a lot of material.
"Some of you might remember my mother, the late political researcher Mae Brussell (MaeBrussell.com). She had a radio show on KLRB and KAZU Radio from 1971 through 1988. We are about to acquire her large collection of books, boxes, and 39 file cabinets of research material. Our goal is to preserve it, digitize it, and make it available to the public. We are actively seeking a space to house it. If you can help in any way, or know someone who can, please contact Barbara Brussell worldwatchersinternational@gmail.com"
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Yes, fascinating interview of the chief Parkland nurse and former wife of Parkland Hospital Security Chief O.P. Wright.
Simply amazing the prediction of her sister regards JFK being killed in Dallas that day.
Her sister called her ( at what point of time exactly I didn't get ) but apparently the morning of 11,22,1963?
Her sister was crying as she told Mrs. Wright that "they were going to kill him?"
That JFK would be "shot" and "killed" during his visit to Dallas "that day."
The sister was so believing of and deeply shaken effected by this very specific time, location and method of killing JFK horror premonition she was literally crying as she shared it with Mrs. Wright.
And this sister had made other predictions ( "of doom" ) before this one which Mrs. Wright implied were also accurate? Wow!
Also, the recollection account Mrs. Wright ( remarried with another last name ) gave regards the bullet found on Governor Connally's gurney was kind of scattered and confusing to me.
She was given a bullet from her husband at Parkland that day? One that she had kept all those years until this interview? A bullet never fired and looking different that the magic bullet replica shown to her by the interviewer?
She mentioned that finding bullets on stretchers in ER situations was not uncommon?
She felt Connally's recollection of hearing something drop from his gurney while he was being placed on the operating table was just not believable under the circumstances he described and his grave physical and stressed mental state?
She did not reflect much on the other story the interviewer recounted regarding another bullet reportedly found by someone on the Gurney used to transport Connally from the limo to the OR?
Was "that" bullet handed to her husband O.P. Wright at some point?
And where the heck did the unspent bullet Mrs. Wright claimed her husband handed her that afternoon come from?
Mrs. Wright did say at the end of the interview that the neck wound incision she had seen in JFK books was not something Dr. Malcolm Perry would have done? As it was so wide?
Did Bethesda Naval Hospital Commander James Humes make that Trach neck wound incision wider perhaps to study it in more detail? To probe it for directional study?
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51 minutes ago, Jamey Flanagan said:
Haha, we might not agree on everything @Pat Speerbut we can agree on this! Now, I'm sure you are mainly referring to JVB........and with me the jury is still out on her. That doesn't mean I buy her story 100% but that doesn't mean I fully dismiss it all either. To me, there's something there. Call me crazy, but the meat of the story (which was already presented in Dr. Mary's Monkey) makes an awful lot of sense to me. David Ferrie with all the mice in cages at his apartment, being friends with Dr. Mary and her mysterious death and the details surrounding it.....you throw in a guy like Oschner (may not be spelled correctly) and INCA and them being behind releasing the record of the debate Oswald took part in. There are just an awful lot of dots that get connected. Maybe she didn't have as big of a role in it as she lets on and embellishes many things, maybe not. I just can't write her off as a complete cook. I own the book Me And Lee which I enjoyed, and would have enjoyed even if it were put out as historical fiction. And listening to her speak she sounds very intelligent. Maybe intelligent enough to make up a lot of her story.
To me, having the Lewis couple corroborate her story goes a long way.
I agree regards the Lewis couple.
But I can see why many write her off as another Beverley Oliver or James Files. And I have always LOVED Jim Marrs! I bought the Barr McLellen book and I liked it but wasn't blown away or anything. There's some meat there. I think LBJ definitely knew it was coming. May have even helped some in planning. May not. Who knows? Lol!
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12 hours ago, Ron Bulman said:
Ron Ecker last visited on February 7th per his profile. He also started this thread last December.
Robert Morrow sends me "LBJ" e-mail messages all the time.
I think he was and is still barred from posting here.
In the possible James McCord ID photo above I mentioned Dallas PD Homicide Captain ( "this case is cinched!' ) Will Fritz just past Carcano rifle holding Lt. Day along with intrepid newspaper journalist and "Who Is Jack Ruby" book writer Seth Kantor just to the right of Fritz.
And the refreshing presence of "one" courageous female news reporter taking notes in a room full of only men.
I too sometimes wonder what " Gerry Patrick Hemming" researcher Greg Burnham is up to. I know he has his own website but he never post here anymore. I found his Hemming material interesting if for any reason the outrageous spoutings of Hemming who was involved in some very real ways with serious Castro/Cuban covert doings.
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There are so many conflicting accounts of JFK's skull bone injuries and their types, location and size and even with conflicting photos and re-creation drawings this is just one tough area for debate.
Starting with SS agent Clint Hill's initial JFK head wound eye witness WC testimony through dozens of Parkland staff, Bethesda staff including medical corps aides, Humes and Boswell and Finck and their photographers, X Ray techs and hand drawing recorders and future research interpretations it's just a mess imo.
Just read some of Bethesda Chief Of Pathology and JFK autopsy attendant J. Thornton Boswell's AARB testimony.
His and Hume's JFK autopsy and skull and brain injury recollection testimonies conflict sometimes in debatably important ways. Which just adds to the JFK skull and brain injuries debate.
Two things stand out though in my brief read just now of Boswell's AARB testimony.
He mentions Humes having to lower his first record location of the back skull wound.
On orders from someone else? Curious indeed.
Also, how JFK's brain weight was never recorded.
Boswell and Humes stated the same thing in response to questions about JFK's brain. Both of them seemed " gee...I uh...dunno " stumped when asked about this hugely important missing procedure.
JFK's kidneys, lungs, liver, spleen and heart were all weighed upon their removal.
But not his brain? Big red flag there.
Especially when in the final official autopsy report a JFK brain weight "was" listed. And it was stated that his brain weighed more than the average adult male one!
Boswell testified that "half of one of the two lobes" of JFK's brain was missing -blown away.
That's a quarter of JFK's brain!
Also, Boswell testified that the missile ( bullet) that entered JFK's head "exploded" inside of his skull.
Gun experts here, is that what Carcano Model 38 ammo does? I'm oblivious to this area of knowledge but certainly curious.
A portion of Bethesda autopsy pathologist J. Thornton Boswell's AARB testimony:
A Okay. The covering of the brain attaches in the center of the skull from front to back or back to front, but all along the top. And that's where the dura comes together on both sides and comes down around the brain. And that was loose all the way from front to back.
The two lobes of the brain are encased in a fibrous connective tissue membrane, and there's an external and internal one, and they come together and are attached all along the surface in the center, midline.
Q. And so down that sinus that goes down from the frontal bone to the back, all of that was loose?
A. Yes.
Q. What was it in your understanding that caused that to become loose?
A. Well, there was actually an explosion in his cranial cavity, and half of the right lobe of his brain disappeared through that cavity and loosened the surface of the membrane there.
Also, most of the Dealey Plaza JFK wounding sequence eye witnesses were at a straight ground level position which imo might very well have contributed to such varying accounts of things like JFK's upper body and head movements during and after both shots as well as the speed of JFK's limo changing during the shooting.
If brakes lights went on...only a few people with a rear view of the limo could have seen this but even then there was lots of obscuring with close up motorcycle police, the SS follow up car etc. ... just not great eyewitness angles to accurately see what was truly going on inside the Presidential limo.
Someone like Zapruder standing high above the scene would have a much better angle to clearly see JFK's and everyone else's body and head movements during the shooting.
Just some thoughts. Hope our esteemed members here work out their views and different takes okay.
Remember the words of conciliatory wisdom our former president said to the nation during the heated political protests in Charlottesville, Virginia in August, 2017 which resulted in a woman being murdered.
"There are very fine people on both sides."
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Mitt Romney cites praise of Putin actions by Fox News "and others" ( Trump- Pompeo?) as "Almost Treason."
When asked by the TV news host interviewing him if his powerful charge included Trump, Romney would not say no. Instead he veered into a general statement of condemnation of those who are doing this.
However, the highly charged label of treason ( albeit "almost" ) by Fox News and by implied association "others" who are doing this Putin praising ( Trump/Pompeo? ) has finally been mentioned and proposed on national TV by a nationally known figure. A fellow Republican no less!
Romney said this Putin praising made him sick.
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As part of the “Four Days in November” program series to commemorate the 56th anniversary of the Kennedy assassination, The ...
I found this presentation very thought provoking. If anyone here hasn't seen this I think you might find it pretty interesting in several respects.
Although the speaker right away calls him the lone assassin of JFK, his professional Psychologist rationality and summary did not change my belief that others enabled Oswald in whatever role he may have had in the Big Event.
Still, I found many of his points worthy of considered and even self reflection.
His recitation of the lyrics of "The Who's" Pete Townshend's "Behind Blue eyes" and relating them to Oswald's emotional make up was interesting.
Ruth Paine was in the audience. This fellow seemed to be chummy with her. Calling to her by first name once or twice. Ruth herself was a school psychologist was she not?
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On 2/23/2022 at 9:32 PM, Ron Bulman said:
It seems the work of West and Bryan through Ruby and Ferrie respectively might have played a role in the JFK assassination. Then both come up again in the RFK assassination, Bryan again in that of MLK and the attempt on Wallace.
As you mention no official mention of either of them or Estabrooks all the way back to WWII, before the CIA. Not surprising, given Helms destruction of the MKULTRA records in 1973. Further suppression through Operation Mockingbird. Not much left but independent researchers. More especially video wise from the time. Mark Lane in the years after JFK's execution. Then this, not about ultra so much as the bird, though the former does get mentioned while un named. Posting for historical perspective in relation to the bigger picture, affecting us still today as a historical artifact. The images and statements are national treasures.
When DA Bush was confronted with the indisputable fact that Thane Eugene Cesar lied to Bush's investigative interrogators in telling them he sold his 22 caliber revolver ( the exact same model as Sirhan's 22 ) "before" Robert Kennedy's murder versus the truth that he sold it in September, 1968, all Bush could respond with was a dumb silence.
That lie by Cesar was hugely important in so many ways.
Bush now knew that Cesar was a serious xxxx and this particular gun selling lie had serious implications.
Any honest integrity minded D.A. ( especially in such a highest profile, historically important and controversial public trust testing murder case like RFK's ) would have immediately called back in extreme right wing, admittedly Kennedy hating Thane Cesar to re-question him about this major lie regards the time line of his ownership and selling of his own Sirhan replica 22 revolver.
Obviously, Bush never even considered bringing Cesar back in for questioning or even contacted the buyer of Cesar's 22 to resolve this majorly important lie by Cesar.
This gun selling by Cesar proves the man was a proven xxxx and lied to the authorities in their investigation.
I'll believe Shulman way before Cesar and Shulman's account of seeing Cesar firing his Kennedy direction aiming gun during the flurry of gun shots in the Ambassador hotel pantry on June 5th, 1968.
Fascinating documentary piece.
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50 minutes ago, David Andrews said:
That's the dummy used in the autopsy scene of Oliver Stone's JFK.
There's a "Making of" doc that shows Stone and the techs on the autopsy room set, blocking out the shot beside the dummy - it's unintentionally creepy.
From Stone's JFK?
I see.
Still, I'll guess that JFK's skull was so obliterated in real life that once the brain was removed and they peeled back the hanging flaps it looked much like this photo and just as gruesome.
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Ukrainian conflict sends Dow down another 600.
That's about a 2,500+ point drop since last Friday.
Watching the Putin invasion unfold just makes you sick in the stomach with dreadful apprehension.
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On 2/22/2022 at 6:36 AM, Gil Jesus said:
I'm not sure that they ever gave an explanation on the sudden appearance of the limo, I know that frames 207-212 are missing and they may have made an excuse for that, I'm not sure.
I could be wrong, but I doubt that when you took your finger off the button, the film stopped on a dime. Ive done some video recording and it seems like when you stop, there is a fade out. When you start, there is a fade in. Starting and stopping takes frames. If they had the ability to cut those frames out, then they had the ability to cut other frames as well.
Zapruder and Sitzman both said that he started filming while the motorcade was on Houston St. I can't find any evidence where either said that he stopped filming after he started.
It's impossible for the car to appear in the film in 1/18 of a second.
Therefore, he either stopped filming and the fade in and out frames were removed or the film was cut and spliced to edit out the turn on Elm St. and the limousine stop.
Another anomaly in the film is how it depicts JFK's head wound. In the film it looks like the whole front of his head is gone, but that's not supported by the autopsy photos and the Dallas doctors' descriptions.
I believe that this frame has been altered to make it look like the damage was in the front caused by a bullet from the rear, when in fact, it looked more like this :
Could someone share the provenance of the bottom JFK photo?
Obviously fake, how did it make it into the general media?
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Donald J. Trump:
"THIS IS GENIUS!" ???????
Regards Putin and his incursion into the Ukraine.
If that statement doesn't take Trump into "aid and comfort to the enemy " national outrage madness territory...what would!?
Future documentaries and especially feature films made about Trump, his life and presidency and beyond will first need to post this disclaimer in bold full screen print:
The following film contains dialogue and scenes that many viewers may find extremely offensive, disturbing and even unbelievable. Yet we the producers assure that what is shown is true and based on well documented research and facts and does not reflect just personal opinion of us and anyone else involved in it's creation.
The guy is certifiable!
Sorry, but this Putin Praise quote by D.J. Trump at this world shaking time is simply "too much" regards his dictator love craziness imo.
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Trump regards Putin and the Ukraine:
"This is genius!" ??????????????
If by tomorrow every sane political, military and academic person in this country isn't fist pounding on the table outraged at Trump's Putin praise ...
Then we are all in this insanity land together. And to blame for it.
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How much did David Ferrie's and Guy Banister's daily lives change immediately following JFK's and Oswald's killings? Where they both pretty much stopped their normal activities?
Didn't Banister become something of a recluse and extremely paranoid? Keeping his home curtains shut. And just a year after November 22, 1963 he died naked in his home from a "heart attack?" No autopsy notes about there being a bullet wound in Banister after his death?
Wonder if Banister had any recorded medical history heart problems before that day?
And all of Banister's extensive record file cabinets disappeared the day he died?
Guess one just has to trust their own sense of truth regards Guy Banister's Oswald activity involvement as well as the things Bannister's part time investigator Jack Martin told Jim Garrison about his boss and personally seeing David Ferrie, Lee Oswald and the circus of shady characters running in and out of Bannister's offices the Summer of 1963.
If you believe Martin, then you believe Banister knew Lee Oswald and was involved in some dealings with him.
Just watched the old video of Oswald passing out "Fair Play For Cuba" pamphlets in New Orleans late summer of 63. Seen it a hundred times.
Those other young fellows helping Oswald in this activity....they didn't do this for free. Oswald was unemployed at this point. Couldn't even take care of his young family. Where in the world did he get extra money to pay those helpers? Looks like more than one in the clips.
Find out who gave Oswald money for paying these guys and you have the answer to the question of Oswald acting all on his own through his political activities or not.
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30 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:
This is going to open up a lot of things. People like Giuliani and Meadows and Bannon have refused to obey Congress’s subpoenas based on Trumps claims of Executive Privilege.
I think the flood gates will finally open.
Steve Thomas
You're correct.
The SCOTUS decision now renders that ridiculously weak subpoena defying position by these three Trump banditos as meaningless and powerless.
They must be super desperate at this point.
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2 hours ago, Gil Jesus said:
I'm not sure that they ever gave an explanation on the sudden appearance of the limo, I know that frames 207-212 are missing and they may have made an excuse for that, I'm not sure.
I could be wrong, but I doubt that when you took your finger off the button, the film stopped on a dime. Ive done some video recording and it seems like when you stop, there is a fade out. When you start, there is a fade in. Starting and stopping takes frames. If they had the ability to cut those frames out, then they had the ability to cut other frames as well.
Zapruder and Sitzman both said that he started filming while the motorcade was on Houston St. I can't find any evidence where either said that he stopped filming after he started.
It's impossible for the car to appear in the film in 1/18 of a second.
Therefore, he either stopped filming and the fade in and out frames were removed or the film was cut and spliced to edit out the turn on Elm St. and the limousine stop.
Another anomaly in the film is how it depicts JFK's head wound. In the film it looks like the whole front of his head is gone, but that's not supported by the autopsy photos and the Dallas doctors' descriptions.
I believe that this frame has been altered to make it look like the damage was in the front caused by a bullet from the rear, when in fact, it looked more like this :
This beyond gruesome bottom photo of JFK is of course photo shopped, correct?
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I just watched the attached video posted above showing JFK's head exploding in frame 312 and 313.
I must say after watching this 10X, it looks to me like the pink spray from JFK's exploding head is coming from the raw brain area exposed underneath the big flap of scalp blown away above his right ear.
That spray is shooting upward from there.
From Linda Willis's statements in the interview above she stated the pink cloud spray came out and up from the" back" of JFK's head.
Just have to be honest regards what my eyes are telling me here.
I could see a high velocity bullet entering the back of JFK's head ( where the occipital and parietal lobes meet? ) and then moving through the brain and blowing out a huge skull bone flap just above the right ear.
However, SS agent Clint Hill said in his WC testimony that when he got within inches of JFK's head he noticed a huge hole in that Occipital/Parietal area and nothing in there to a noticeable depth.
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8 hours ago, John Deignan said:
Check out what Linda Willis, Phil’s daughter says starting at 17:08 of the video.
Very interesting interview.
She is certain of a conspiracy and doesn't hold back saying so.
The exploding of JFK's brain and blood matter out "the back" of his head versus the side or front does raise legitimate questions of bullet entry, impact and damage physics. As well as the sheer size of the spray cloud and matter and it's long distance reach beyond the interior of the car to splattering two Dallas PD motorcycle officers behind it.
And those officers stated in their WC testimony that it wasn't just blood and brain fluid that hit them, but actual chunks of JFK's brain. All that from a shot from behind JFK and the motorcycle officers?
Anyone here hunters? Can they weigh in whether shots to the heads of their game targets replicated to any similar degree the dynamics of JFK's head shot?
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1 hour ago, Jeremy Bojczuk said:
Chris Barnard writes:
Who is struggling to debunk what? I made the point that many of the claims of alteration, over many years, have been easily debunked. I gave a link to a claim which I debunked, without any struggle, just the other day:
The claims I was referring to as crazy are both far-fetched and supported by grossly insufficient evidence. If 'crazy' isn't the appropriate word, how about 'absurd' or 'ridiculous'?
I hope I do. But no-one's perfect.
Makes me right about what? I was pointing out some similarities between the more far-fetched JFK assassination conspiracy theories and claims that the moon landings didn't happen and that the earth is flat. I presume the similarities I mentioned are obvious.
I wasn't claiming that the more far-fetched conspiracy theorists are representative of those who doubt the lone-nut theory.
If anything, I was trying to show that the opposite is true. Crazy or ridiculous or absurd conspiracy theories are neither typical nor necessary, and the people who promote them are not representative of Warren Commission critics in general.
The case against the lone-nut theory does not depend on believing that the Zapruder film or any of the other home movies or photographs are fakes. Or that JFK's body was snatched on Air Force One and surgically altered. Or that Oswald and his mother were part of a long-term doppelganger scheme. Or any other equally far-fetched claims.
I hope Chris doesn't think that the only alternative to believing that Oswald did it all by himself is to believe in a ginormous conspiracy run by super-powerful masterminds who planned everything in detail and had the ability to fake vast amounts of evidence. If there was a conspiracy, which I think is pretty much indisputable these days, it was a plausible, realistic one, not a far-fetched one involving a cast of thousands with super-human powers.
I'm sure Chris can appreciate that an outsider, someone with a casual interest in the JFK assassination, who stumbles across this forum hoping to find out more about the subject, might get the wrong impression if all the nonsensical stuff goes unchallenged.
A sensible take in several ways.
However, if Oswald didn't have such an incredibly unusual background in the last 7 years of his short 24 year long life, filled with dozens of extraordinary untypical and often incongruous travels, actions, activities and contacts that just beg suspicious motive inquiry, it would be so much easier to accept the lone nut finding.
Why couldn't Oswald have just had crazy posters and scribbled threats in crayons and markers all over his room walls or at least in a messy, coffee, soda pop and chocolate candy bar stained journal with endless circles and stick figure drawings?
Or carried around in his back pocket an old tattered paperback copy of some deep insecurity and fear feeding dystopian book?
Or even looked kind of disheveled or confused crazy like Hinkley, Bremmer, Fromme, etc.?
Why did he have to have had such a clean cut, well groomed and totally calm look and demeanor and kept his living spaces quite tidy outside of occasional scattered library books? Or listen to classical music, learn Russian, and fuss over his daughter Junie with somewhat normal father loving care and concern and like and play calm and focused mind chess with others?
And if only Oswald's New Orleans pro-Castro Free Cuba flyers didn't have an address in the same building as Guy Banister and Sylvia Odio and her sister Annie didn't both recall being introduced to an exact look-alike "Leon Oswald" at their apartment door by Angelo ... etc. etc.
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On 2/18/2022 at 4:50 AM, Jamey Flanagan said:
Speaking of The Twilight Zone, lol, I wish someone on some platform would do an anthology series on the JFK assassination and it's aftermath. You'd have enough material for at least 20 or 30 seasons even if it came on year round, lol! You could do an episode on Rose Cheramie, the umbrella man, the chain of possession on the Zapruder film with the Dino Brugioni revelation about it going to Hawkeye, etc. You could even do multiple episode story arcs on the Warren Commission, the Garrison investigation, the HSCA, and the ARRB. You could even do entire season arcs like showing the evolution of the critics from day one up to modern day. Shine a light on the people who questioned the "official" story from the beginning. We owe these people a debt of gratitude that we could never repay! Anyway, it's these small stories that the casual followers of assassination lore may never even hear about that fascinate me! Like the Oxnard call. The Raleigh call. Coley at the news and his puddles of blood, etc.
Agree 100% JF.
And I guarantee you a many episode anthology series with the theme you suggest would have a rock solid viewer base. Easily bigger and more loyal than 80% of any of the others we have seen.
Even though the number of Americans who actually lived through the JFK presidency era and still relate to his name, his charisma and the shock and sadness of his murder are a small minority now, there is just too much fascinating content to his story.
Thousands of colorful, mysterious, intriguing, nutty, dangerous and even physically attractive and sexy side stories and characters.
One of the main and most important aspects of such a series would of course be as you stated; the over-all aftermath of JFK's murder on us as a nation and society.
I know that as a 12 year old on 11,22,1963 I was not so young that JFK's killing did not shake my perception of reality in so many ways. Even though I was unable to articulate this at all at that age.
What shook me 10X more however was when I watched ( on live nationally broadcast TV ) sleazy Dallas strip joint owner Jack Ruby leap from the press crowd in the Dallas PD basement to blow Lee Harvey's guts apart while Oswald was being walked right next to Ruby and handcuffed to two police guards on his side in a room full of dozens of other armed Dallas PD personnel.
As I've posted many times here, I was alone in my bedroom and watching this on an old junky black and white TV that was going to be thrown out when my stepfather finally bought a new color TV. I salvaged it instead.
When Ruby leaped out and fired into Oswald ( it was a loud shot even on TV ) I spontaneously and unthinkingly jumped up and off my bed and began shouting "NO WAY, NO WAY,NO WAY!" Over and over I kept shouting this to no one but myself.
Even at that young age, every fiber of my gut, heart and brain instincts told me this murder of handcuffed Oswald right inside the Dallas PD building was just "too" improbable. Too suspicious. Too impossibly wrong. A set up.
I knew or sensed even then that Oswald himself was the "only" main key we all had to ever know the truth about the JFK event.
His killing instantly told you we would now never know what the truth was. It was a deep sickening realization.
I also knew ( like millions of other TV watching Americans for sure ) that Oswald was one of the most threatened persons ( if not the most threatened ) in our history. The TV newscasts and newspapers were reporting this fact continuously.
From that minute ( Ruby shooting Oswald ) on, I was suspicious of the whole JFK murder event. And every other rational person seeing this should have been too.
An episode of an anthology as you perceive, focused just on the Oswald murder in the Dallas PD basement should show a montage of simulated TV audience shock reactions just like mine all across the country.
To highlight the power of the suspicion causing trauma that event seared into the minds and guts of millions of Americans just like me.
Because that event alone triggered the greatest wave of mistrust in our government ever. Initially more than JFK's shooting death which we did not see " live and in person."
Mistrust that was incredibly strong ( unprecedented ) for decades after, and even though us live TV witnesses are biting the dust more and more, there is still mistrust with our second generation probably from the suspicion born stories shared by their mothers and fathers about that event and time period.
"Hearing and reading" about JFK's murder on 11,22,1963 was shocking to the max.
But actually witnessing Oswald being loudly shot ( the shot and Oswald's loud pain shout ) in the gut on live national TV was more powerful in it's traumatizing effect on tens of millions of Americans. Traumatizing with great suspicion and doubt.
If America had actually been shown the Zapruder film the night of 11,22,1963 or even the next day, the trauma effect would have been 10X deeper than just reading and hearing about it.
Getting back to an anthology series, I know the audiences would be held in a strong grip and get hooked on watching each show.
Mainly because the whole incredible story is true and so full of the most colorful and intriguing characters and drama a script writer could ever dream up.
Heck, whether or not the documentary "The Men Who Killed Kennedy" was wantonly put together and overly dramatic with an ominous and maybe a little hokey scoring accompaniment I still found it so compelling I had to watch every episode.
I still think the TMWKK has greater value and credibility that it's detractors.
If even half of what the interviewees shared is true, it's a gold mine imo.
And imagine if this documentary had never been made.
And we never got to see and hear what these 1st, 2nd and 3rd hand witnesses saw, heard and experienced regards the JFK event and all those suspect characters attached to it.
The funeral home director and the late night FBI visit with Oswald's postmortem body.
I could list 50 more like him and his individual story.
Jack Ruby had so much intrigue movies were made just about him. Books written just about him.
One anthology episode would not be near sufficient to cover big Jack.
Let us see Jack Ruby being sent to Cuba to personally pass a message to one of the highest ranking Mafia members in the country, Santos Trafficante in a Castro jail cell. And weigh that fact against the constant proclamations that Ruby was just a nobody running a constant bill owing and stripper pay shorting joke of a sleazy strip joint who's only Mafia connection was probably passing on some small gambling operation profits to the local Dallas mob folks.
I hope such a series like you suggest JF happens. The JFK murder truth is no less important now than 60 years ago.
It changed our lives and our nation's and our society's course way too much to simply wave it off as something that isn't still majorly important because it happened so long ago.
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Roger Stone.
Political Dirty Trickster/ Dandy Extraordinaire.
Imagine being in the "Who's Who" annals with that one main epitaph.
Wrote a JFK assassination book "The Man Who Killed Kennedy" based mostly on generic takes from already published authors and an end of life confession ( I was a bench warmer/LBJ/Cord Meyer claim ) by E. Howard Hunt.
And a second book "Stone's Rules" "How To Win At Politics." A "how to" book on sabotaging political opponents through any means possible no matter how unethical, immoral and illegal.
Sports the largest Nixon facial rendition tattoo in history, covering his entire upper back which he proudly displays at every occasion if given the slightest opening to do so.
Loves wearing "Dandy" type apparel such as Bowler hats, hugely oversized round shaped glasses, loud and flamboyant color and design suits with pocket scarfs, Italian leather boot type shoes, etc.
Known also for his unusual shaped head with seems quite pointed with an extremely flattened back.
Friend/advisor/confidant of Donald Trump. Pardoned by Trump immediately after being charged with crimes.
Dandy
A dandy is a man who places particular importance upon physical appearance, pursued with the appearance of nonchalance, in his cult of the Self. A dandy could be a self-made man who strove to imitate an aristocratic lifestyle despite coming from a middle-class background, especially in late 18th- and early 19th-century Britain. -
The brave, courageous and very often great personal time, effort and even expense sacrifice truth seeking effort by thousands of concerned and dedicated Americans and even those in other countries, into the JFK, RFK and MLK assassinations ( and always against constant powerful and organized resistance and even personal risks to those most committed to this effort ) has produced this incredibly important side benefit.
This righteous truth and justice seeking effort journey ( all self-motivated ) has led us to discover quite unexpectedly truly ominous dark secret doors and rooms that when opened reveal a substantially powerful and influential nefarious group world outside of and unchecked by our elected government.
And whose agendas and activities sometimes violated basic human rights and even constitutional law beyond our every day average citizen sense of normal and moral reality and imagination.
This thread's content is just one of those dark secret doings we have uncovered and exposed. Truly frightening stuff.
Through the JFK assassination research effort we have also discovered the true depth of power corruption in this country during and after the JFK, MLK and RFK events.
Secret agendas and actions by no constitutional oversight secret groups. Extremely powerful and well funded beyond our belief. The agencies? JFK and RFK adversaries. JFK wanted to scatter them to the winds.
Of course organized crime, especially their working with these secret agencies with mutual agendas. Wild Bill Harvey respected Mafioso Johnny Roselli ( he has my back ) more that anyone connected to JFK and RFK?
Corporate interests. LBJ friendly and generous with big government contracts.
Main stream media corruption at the highest levels with planted journalists and editors and owners.
Texas oil ( wealthiest men on Earth at that time) and also tight ( Murchison's Del Charro motel )with organized crime.
Huge funding of the most extreme right wing JFK hating groups such as the JBS and the Minute Men?
Hoover and organized crime?
LBJ and his personal shady business doings and his association with the "real" king of Texas Ed Clark.
JFK and RFK hating segregationist groups with loads of money and influence and widespread support through large membership citizen groups...millions of Americans! White Council and the KKK?
Hot headed JFK hating Cubans who probably cheered when they heard of his death.
Even military corruption. Chief of staff generals who hated JFK for putting them into their places when they tried to bully or intimidate him with agendas and opinions that rattled JFK's senses of their own sanity.
One great truth we have discovered in this JFK truth seeking effort with no doubt now is how much more corrupted we ( America ) were in JFK's time and well beyond.
By nefarious wealthy and powerful groups ( outside of our elected government ) who exerted more control over our lives than we ever dared imagine.
JFK, MLK and RFK were all done in by this massive multi-tentacled corruption alliance in it's entirety, imo anyway.
Dark, dark room and agenda discoveries for sure.
Eisenhower in his final MIC speech was trying to inform us about this reality to the extent of the ever growing corporate influence state versus a common good, average citizen rights defending one our forefathers sought.
Don't you think?
Thank goodness for our intrepid life long dedicated and sacrificing JFK truth seeking heroes.
Besides their JFK truth discoveries, they've gifted us with much more than we ever knew or imagined regards digging up and shining light on the true "dark agenda" history and state of our country, how it has hurt us as a nation and society and the probable make up of these most powerful nefarious influences in our lives since 11,22,1963.
Classic John Judge at his very best 1/22/1992 (JFK the movie)
in JFK Assassination Debate
Posted · Edited by Joe Bauer
Speaking for myself I am reminded of my years ago pledge to remember and review from time to time this amazing video of John Judge and Fletcher Prouty speaking at this American University "JFK" film debate conference.
Still, I had forgotten about it until one hour ago after finding you had recently reposted it here.
The man ( Judge ) was incredibly well researched and informed and combined with his righteous indignation and even angry and little antagonistic but still well spoken speaking style was a formidable debate presence imo. Compelling to watch and to listen to.
Mort Sahl had some of that same passionate righteous indignation style of JFK truth seeking sharing ( albeit mixed with biting, ironic and occasional cynical humor ) and even sometimes called out his audience and the American people for their complacency in not wanting to know or care more about the JFK truth.
Judge's recounting of his mother's high Pentagon position and her job of making mathematical predictive models for future Viet Nam War related human losses and draft numbers for the military high command was shocking secret truth revealing in their early existence and uncanny accuracy.
Fletcher Prouty had the most impact on the audience. He had a gravitas that set him apart. And he had a background in the military that was at the highest levels and long term - 9 years head of special ops and answering directly to the Chiefs Of Staff and even White House visits. Knew Alan Dulles personally.
Yet, even Judge and Prouty made some ( a few ) mistakes in their presentations from what I recall of the entire video. Of course, these were jumped on desperately by their adversaries who knew they were losing the debate judging by the applause reactions of the majority of the audience.
A few reflection points in my mind.
I think everybody now knows George Bush senior was involved with the CIA even years before 1963. Why the denials, even today 60 years later?
I really liked Judge's analogy of the Mob being "shoe shine boys" to the real power groups in our highest levels of government.
They were used ... when needed.
But does anyone really believe that the highest dons of the American mob in the 50's and 60's ( Marcello, Giancana, Trafficante, etal.,) had the think tank brains of the other much higher up power groups alluded to by Prouty and Judge?
Able to plan, carry out and coverup something as big as the JFK, MLK and RFK's murders and controlling investigations and the media? And get away with it?
These organized crime guys barely made it past junior high school in the education department.
Vince, do you have the link to the entire debate we see Judge in here? Could you repost this for me and others to view it again? It's was a very inspiring debate event imo.