8 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

Lynch mobs are back.

Isn't that nice.

https://www.idahostatesman.com/news/coronavirus/article247678350.html

 

“The Central District Health Board of Health (Boise, ID) meeting Tuesday night to discuss and vote on a public health order dealing with the COVID-19 pandemic was adjourned shortly after it started because of the danger posed by protesters at the CDH office and at some board members’ places of residence.

Moments after a tearful Commissioner Diana Lachiondo left the virtual meeting to head to her house — where her son was home alone, and where anti-mask, anti-health-order protesters had reportedly gathered — CDH Director Russ Duke interrupted a doctor’s statements on the toll of the coronavirus to tell the board and people watching that Boise Mayor Lauren McLean and Boise Police Chief Ryan Lee had requested that the meeting be ended for safety reasons.

Dr. Ted Epperly, another board member, said protesters gathered at his house as well. He told the Statesman that about 15 people were outside his home, “beating garbage cans and flashing strobe lights through my windows. Two came up and knocked on my door during the meeting.”

A motion was made to adjourn the meeting to a later date and seconded, and board members voted to adjourn shortly after Duke’s statement.”

Steve Thomas

Election officials face threats, intimidation as Trump pushes false fraud claims

BY BRAD HEATH AND MICHAEL MARTINA

December 8, 2020, 6:03 AM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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'The people have spoken': Judges toss vote lawsuits

 

 

By Brad Heath and Michael Martina

DETROIT (Reuters) - Jocelyn Benson, Michigan's top election official, had just finished hanging Christmas decorations with her young son on Saturday night when a crowd demanding November's presidential election result be reversed gathered outside her home to denounce her as a "traitor" and a "criminal."

The demonstrators, some armed and holding up placards saying "Stop the Steal", clustered on the sidewalk outside Benson's Detroit home as security and police officers looked on, video broadcast live on Facebook by one of the participants showed.

"Through threats of violence, intimidation, and bullying, the armed people outside my home and their political allies seek to undermine and silence the will and voices of every voter in this state," Benson, Michigan's Democratic Secretary of State, said in a statement on Sunday.

The demonstration was the latest of what election authorities across the United States describe as a tide of intimidation, harassment and outright threats in the charged aftermath of the Nov. 3 election, which Republican President Donald Trump lost to Democrat Joe Biden.

Trump has made unsubstantiated claims of widespread electoral fraud and is trying but failing to overturn Biden's victory, challenging the outcome in court in multiple states while also pressing state officials, lawmakers and governors to throw the results out and simply declare Trump the winner.

Courts have so far rejected those requests.

Supporters of Trump in recent weeks have staked out election officials’ offices in Georgia, mounted armed protests in Arizona and left menacing telephone messages for election officials across the country, producing political turmoil unlike any other in modern U.S. history.

Michigan Attorney General Dana Nessel said that the baseless fraud claims and subsequent threats against election officials are "very damaging to our democracy. I hope it’s not the end of our democracy."

"We cannot allow our elected officials to live in fear at all times whenever someone doesn’t like how they believe they’ve perform their job duties," Nessel told Reuters.

Michigan, Arizona and Georgia were among a handful of hotly contested battleground states that Biden won, helping to secure his 306 to 232 advantage in the Electoral College that will officially select the next president on Dec. 14.

But the threats have not been confined to places where the election was close. In Vermont -- a state no Republican presidential candidate has won since 1988 -- election officials said they received a voice message threatening them with "execution by firing squad."

“No public servant should ever have to feel threatened or concerned for their safety while they are doing their work," Vermont Secretary of State Jim Condos, a Democrat, told Reuters.

"The conspiracy theories and unfounded rhetoric that are being pushed by the president and his campaign team really could inspire some dangerous behavior somewhere in this country. It starts at the top and it really needs to stop.”

 

TRUMP ATTACKS HIS OWN

Trump and his political backers have blasted Republicans leaders and election officials in Georgia and Arizona for certifying Biden as the winner in their states.

Trump himself has described Georgia’s Republican secretary of state as an “enemy of the people", and one of his lawyers, Joe diGenova, said last week the administration’s former election cybersecurity chief should be “taken out at dawn and shot" for publicly defending the integrity of the election.

Several election workers contacted by Reuters said they did not want to speak about the threats they had received for fear it would make things worse.

Georgia officials were similarly reticent until last week, when threats online targeted a young contract worker for Dominion Voting Systems, whose voting machines were used in the state. One post on Twitter included a swinging noose.

That day, Gabriel Sterling, the Republican in charge of the voting machines, walked to a podium visibly angry and demanded that Trump "stop inspiring people to commit potential acts of violence."

In an interview with Reuters, Sterling said that he personally had received a message calling him a him “traitor” that included his home address. Someone else wished him a happy birthday in a tweet saying it would be his last.

After his local police chief suggested he notify his neighbors, he posted on a local Facebook page urging them to call authorities if they saw anything suspicious.

“I shouldn’t have to do that,” he said.

On Monday, Georgia again certified that Biden had won after counting ballots for a third time.

(Reporting by Brad Heath in Washington and Michael Martina in Detroit, Editing by Soyoung Kim and Sonya Hepinstall)

On 12/8/2020 at 6:05 AM, Douglas Caddy said:

Former Israeli space security chief says aliens exist, humanity not ready

 

https://www.jpost.com/omg/former-israeli-space-security-chief-says-aliens-exist-humanity-not-ready-651405

I saw this article just one hour ago.

The man's bonafides are very hard to dismiss out of hand.

I would think if most people can get through the shock/trauma of Donald Trump they could handle the reality of ETs.

So, are you saying that the majority of people who look at Ruby's backside in the Oswald shooting photo could not tell the difference between Ruby and let's say:

Lou Costello, Jonathan Winters, Dom Deluise, Danny Aiello, Jackie Gleason, Ed Asner etc.?

1 hour ago, Dan Rice said:

I think Cory means the picture of Oswald getting shot.  I do recall somebody (possibly Cinque) online claiming that it wasn't Ruby that shot Oswald.

Ha!

8 hours ago, Cory Santos said:

Joe, Joe, don’t open up a can of worms. Cinque writes on his site how that picture was NOT Ruby.  Not saying I agree but...  
stick to the evidence.   

The DPD hallway photo is not Ruby? That photo is a still shot from a longer video piece.  

If it isn't Ruby I'll delete my posts immediately.

Notice also Ruby wears a ring on his left pinky finger.

Correction.

The white coat arm on Ruby's right is probably news man Ike Pappas holding out his microphone.

It is true however that one of Ruby's closest Dallas Police Department friends - big William "Blackie" Harrison - was grabbing for Ruby at this same time and was that close to Ruby before and during the Oswald shooting.

?

20 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

Joe,

I know what you mean. I was in therapy for years.

Steve Thomas

20 minutes ago, Steve Thomas said:

Joe,

I know what you mean. I was in therapy for years.

Steve Thomas

Although I must admit that I did kind of like that Bee Gees' "Stayin Alive" tune with it's pelvic dance move urge stimulation beat line.

Donald Trump Is our first Mafia Godfather type president.

1 hour ago, Steve Thomas said:

Joe,

Look at it this way. We've seen a lot in our lives.

We lived through the 60's. We saw a man land on the moon. We survived the horrors of disco. We had 9/11 and an attack on our soil for the first time since the Civil War. Now we're watching an attempted coup d'etat and the loss of our very democracy.

We've seen a lot in our lives.

Steve Thomas

Steve, I still haven't gotten through the horrors of Disco.

I still have occassional bad dreams where I am in the middle of a shimmering globe lit dance floor dressed like Tony Monero and doing leg splits and pelvic girations and thrusts to the Bee Gee's song "Stayin Alive" with extreme grimacing facial expressions to the humiliating laughter of an unseen crowd all around me.

?

Trump's widespread, super animated and aggressive public condemnation, put down and slanderous labeling insults and other overt vindictive words and actions ( he doesn't condemn attorney Degenova's "he should be shot" public statement or Steve Bannon's hanging one and others? ) towards even Republican state party leaders and election officials who are not bending to Trump's reverse the election outcome will in several states where the election was close is ... what?

What would you call this super aggressive month's long put down insult and condemning right from the top behavior? Stated over and over in national coverage tweeting, news briefings and public rallies?

Seriously, what do we make of this Mafia Godfather type condeming and none too subtle intimidating comments behavior from an American President towards his perceived enemies?

 Enemies meaning "anyone" who won't bend to Trump's obsessive self-serving will and pressure to subvert our most sacred Democratic principle right of voting - even members of his own political party!

Several election officials in these Trump targeted states have publicly expressed their great fear after having harrassing and intimidating threats directed at them which is a direct result of Trump's public condemnation which is clearly inciting these threateners.

Michigan's Governor was a target of a serious kidnapping threat by Trump supporting thugs. Now their top election official has ARMED Trump supporters right outside her private residence with signs and shouting condemning slogans?

The U.S Head Of Cyber-Security official who Trump condemned and has been the target of many threats including the most scary Degenova comment about being taken out and shot?!"

And now the Covid Data whistleblower in Florida just had armed gun pointing police enter her home to confiscate her phone and computer? Dear God!

This is unbelievable unamerican madness.

Honestly, imagine being the target of such threats yourselves?

Seriously, having a worked up armed crowd right outside your private residence shouting intimidating slogans? This is not even all of the harrassment and intimidation. These Trump target people have faced threatening e-mails, phone calls, letters, etc..

Talk about creating deep anxiety and even sleep disturbing post traumatic stress.

All these super intimidating and threatening groups and individuals are emboldened by a President who is publicly condemning these targets, shamlessly, repeatedly.

We have never, ever seen anything even remotely close to this kind of vindictive Mafia Godfather type behavior from a President.

It's mind boggling not just in it's truly scary harrassing and intimidating extreme overtness but also that it is not being blaring outrage front page reported, confronted and condemned in every realm of national media for the incredibly unamerican and unpresidential criminal thug behavior that it is.

Where is our media? Where is the outrage? Shouldn't there be a consensus condemnation of this intimidating and harrassment thuggery?

Silence to this outrage is complicity ... imo.

Because many members here so have so often posted music links and especially Bob Dylan's on this thread ... 

I'm suprised no one has mentioned Bob Dylan selling the rights to his entire 600 song portfolio ( including his last JFK conspiracy one ) to a large conglomerate group.

I have read estimates as high as $300 million for it all.

Didn't Michael Jackson pay 1 billion for the Beatle's portfolio? Out bidding Paul McCartney himself?

Bob Dylan, you should have been paid 1 billion for your entire life's work as well ... imo.

2 hours ago, Robert Wheeler said:

At the Georgia Election Fraud hearing the other day, two of the Legislators on the Democrat's side became somewhat unhinged when questioning the witnesses and experts that provided evidence of fraud. 

One of them kept repeating that a particular video was "debunked", even though the 14 hours of security camera footage was only recovered 12 hours earlier from the Fulton County arena. The 20 minute segment used at the hearing was "debunked" according to the nitwit even though it was only made public at the hearing.

In any case, the two Georgia Legislators that were the most panicked by the revelations apparently had good reason.

Here they are stealing Trump votes during the Election over a month ago. (more pictures in the Twitter thread.)

 

I don't get it? Who is this blond woman in the tweeted photo and why is the tweeter expressing concern?

1 hour ago, Joseph McBride said:

None of the Dealey Plaza photos shows a man who

looks close enough to G. H. W. Bush, in my view. He

was in transit from Tyler to Dallas that afternoon

and reported he went to the Sheraton, where the

Secret Service and White House communications

station were located.

JM, do you feel differently at all regards any other Dealy Plaza pedestrian photos being close enough in resemblance to the nefarious characters mentioned to not rule them out completely as such? Especially the 3 tramp/Lansdale one?

I sense the whole suspicious character Dealey Plaza photo subject is not something you put much import worth into?

However, did you ever suggest Tippit himself perhaps being involved with the shooting somehow?

20 hours ago, Pat Speer said:

 

It's kinda like John Nash's big idea in "A Beautiful Mind." If all the dudes try to hit on the hot chick, most everyone goes away disappointed, and the bulk of the chicks feel like afterthoughts. The successful strategy, then, is for the bulk of the dudes to modify their ambition, and shoot a bit lower. That way more successful sales take place, with more satisfied customers. Obama--a man who grew up half-black in a mostly white world--knew that this strategy worked. 

I adhered to this mind set all through secondary school.

 

 

 

 

 

 

5 hours ago, Ron Ecker said:

I'm curious as to why all the "evidence" of the election being rigged is of Democratic fraud. You would think that the party in power would have the upper hand in rigging an election (and isn't Georgia, for example, run by Republicans?), yet the Republicans couldn't steal one vote while the Democrats were having a field day?

Oh, wait, maybe that's why the Republicans did so well in the election outside of Trump. Massive Republican fraud! But then why didn't they help the poor thing at the top of the ticket?

 

 

 

 

Exactly. Lets be rational here.

37 minutes ago, Douglas Caddy said:

The case for skipping the Covid vaccine leaves one very disturbed and maybe even frightened.

https://www.unz.com/mwhitney/heres-why-you-should-skip-the-covid-vaccine/

 

 

 

Seriously, everyone should read this article. At least do some research considering before blindly jumping in, imo anyway.

I sometimes imagined Obama meeting with other black leaders in our society including, yet maybe even just his wife and having some discussion about the historical importance and impact his presidency would have in it's unprecedented 1st black American context.

I think the following contemplation may have been proposed:

Make sure that through the entirety of his term, that nothing too drastic, too controversial, too divisive, too status quo threatening and changing take place regards the policies, decisions and actions Obama would take during his time as President.

In other words, don't screw up by creating too much controversy, too much confrontation.

Don't take risks.

Don't be too progressive. Don't punish the recession responsible Wall Street manipulation bankers, etc.

Don't allow something to occur that was so society dividing controversial, that Americans who are racist could say loudly until their dying day..."Look, we voted in a GD XXXXXX and look what happened!"

Obama's presidency was not one of bold change, bold courage, bold risk, bold progressive advocacy and bold standing up to the wealthy 1% corporate elite and their hugely self favoring and benefitting status quo versus the opposite with the working class and poorer.

It was a purposely non-risk taking "safe" presidency in terms of creating and preserving it's historical legacy as maybe not a great entire society benefitting change one but at least a smooth and no major upheavel and conflict one.

We had a black president...and in most historically important measured categories he did a decent job. A proper legacy for future Americans to remember in it's never ending racial equality and qualification debate context. 

Perhaps this agenda was of at least equal importance in the over-all longer view contemplation of Obama's presidency and leadership plan?

John Jay McCloy:

Following his service in Germany, he served as chairman of the Chase Manhattan Bank from 1953 to 1960 (but there was no "Chase Manhattan Bank" before 1955) , and as chairman of the Ford Foundation from 1958–65; he was also a trustee of the Rockefeller Foundation from 1946 to 1949, and then again from 1953 to 1958, before he took up the position at Ford.

Following the 1953 death of Chief Justice Fred M. Vinson, President Eisenhower considered appointing McCloy in his place, but he was viewed as too favourable to big business.^[28]

From 1954 to 1970, he was chairman of the prestigious Council on Foreign Relations in New York, to be succeeded by David Rockefeller, who had worked closely with him at the Chase Bank. McCloy had a long association with the Rockefeller family, going back to his early Harvard days when he taught the young Rockefeller brothers how to sail. He was also a member of the Draper Committee, formed in 1958 by Eisenhower.

 

John McCloy discusses his views in the Cabinet Room.

From 1966 to 1968, he was Honorary Chairman of the Paris-based Atlantic Institute.^[29]

In late 1967 McCloy was considered by US President Lyndon Johnson for the position of US Ambassador to the United Nations and was approached by Secretary of State Dean Rusk on this matter, however McCloy turned down the offer.^[30]

 

John McCloy (far left) and the Warren Commission present their report to President Johnson.

Warren Commission[edit]

McCloy was selected by President Lyndon Johnson to serve on the Warren Commission in late November 1963. Notably, he was initially skeptical of the lone gunman theory, but a trip to Dallas with CIA veteran Allen Dulles, an old friend also serving on the Commission, convinced him of the case against Oswald. To avoid a minority dissenting report, McCloy brokered the final consensus and the crucial wording of the primary conclusion of the final report. He stated that any possible evidence of a conspiracy was "beyond the reach" of all of America's investigatory agencies, principally the FBI and the CIA as well as the Commission itself.^[31] In a 1975 interview with Eric Sevareid of CBS, McCloy stated, "I never saw a case that I thought was more completely proven than... the assassination."^[32]

He described writings that propagated assassination conspiracies theories as "just nonsense."^[32]

Interesting story. 

Agree with several of your poiunts and views.

Final 2020 presidential election results.

Popular vote:

Biden 81,283,735

Trump 74,221,580

Electoral:

Biden 306

Trump 232. 

Brian Cox is both dismayed and optimistic about the future of our species. For dismay, look no further than Donald Trump’s hair. “I saw some rally where he was talking about his favourite hairspray and berating scientists who told him that by spraying out of the can you could have an impact on the atmosphere,” Cox recalls. “And he told the gathered throngs of supporters, ‘Come on folks if the windows are closed how can you possibly have any impact on anything outside of your own space, your own apartment?’ Such a deep fundamental... and of course the crowd cheered. And to watch this.” His voice trails off.

On 11/21/2020 at 11:36 AM, W. Niederhut said:

Hitler and Mussolini also had big crowds.

Trump a Democrat?  That's simply absurd.

Trump is a plutocrat, running a kakistocracy, in the guise of a populist.

His policy decisions have all been predicated on bribery-- optimizing his own interests.

In fact, I sincerely believe that Sheldon Adelson, et.al., could still effectively bribe Trump to bomb Iran, if they were so inclined.

Bingo! Bravo! Right On!

1 hour ago, Allen Lowe said:

watching that footage, those guys are working pretty hard to carry that casket. It is not empty. Unless you have x-ray vision.

I think I have read that the casket, with or without a body inside, was super heavy. Hundreds of pounds. I believe it would require a strenuous effort to lift and carry it either way.

Bethesda Dr. Humes himself did not describe lifting JFK's body out of such a huge, ornate bronze casket. JFK was delivered to the autopsy exam room in a plain casket. 3 or more eyewitnesses to his room arrival and body lifting testified to this.