Joe Bauer

Steve, exactly.

On 10/18/2019 at 4:52 PM, Paul Trejo said:

Joe, by the numbers again:

1. Thanks for raising Dallas Deputy Roger Craig in this context.  Despite problems, I accept most of his testimony.  Yes, Sheriff Decker was involved up to his neck.  He expected total obedience from his men, and he got it.  After all, he was the man who got Bonnie and Clyde.  He was a legend in Dallas.  Nobody was going to cross him -- except Roger Craig.   In my humble opinion, Craig was killed by the same Dallas plotters who killed JFK. 

2. In my opinion, Decker and Hosty were among the super right-wing residents of Dallas.  They were very close to Dallas socialites like H.L. Hunt and Robert Morris.  Both of these men were tireless supporters of General Walker (whom JFK and RFK had sent to an insane asylum).

3.  Not only did Decker and Hosty see the "Wanted For Treason: JFK" handbills on October 24th and November 22nd, but they knew very well that Robert Alan Surrey was the publisher.  The Warren Commission made that fact perfectly plain.   There is no way that high-ranking officials in Dallas could have been ignorant of that fact.   Penn Jones, Jr. wrote that Robert Alan Surrey told him personally that Dallas FBI agent James Hosty had been his Bridge partner for years.

4. The Secret Service from the White House came to Dallas in mid-November to meet with Forrest Sorrels to discuss JFK's Security.   Winston Lawson was the point man from the White House.  He could not *believe* that Dallas had zero people dangerous to JFK.   He worked for 48 hours to confirm this.   However, the Dallas plotters knew the White House PRS better than the PRS did. 

The Dallas plotters knew that the PRS got its data *only* from the local FBI.  With James Hosty on their side, they could feed the PRS any deception they wanted.  That's what happened.  After Forrest Sorrels told Winston Lawson that there were no dangerous people in Dallas, Lawson told Sorrels, "Well, I'm calling the PRS right now, Forrest!"   So he called the PRS,  and the PRS replied, "Well, we have no dangerous people on file for Dallas!"  So, Lawson accepted this.

Still, Forrest Sorrels went through the motions for another 48 hours.  He called the Sheriff of Denton, Texas, because some of the student protesters against Adlai on October 24th went to college there.   

Weren't some of the Stevenson yelling, poster swinging and spitting protesters well dressed older women? If they got that violent with someone of much less stature than JFK but who represented their "number one" ire ( JFK and the policies he promoted) who knows what they would have done to JFK himself if they could have gotten their hands on him?  Half joking here but to say Dallas had no fanatical threats to JFK is ridiculous. And any JFK threat nut could have come into Dallas from anywhere. 

"Assignment Oswald" agent Hosty's having lunch in a diner right during JFK's vulnerable no protective bubble top motorcade through KKK central Dallas and what JFK himself called "nut country" seems so illogical it's perverse.

 

 

They got an inside informant in Denton, they got the Dallas Police involved, and the Editor of the Dallas Times Herald.  They collated photographs of all those student protesters, and they sent the photographs to the Secret Service at the Trade Mart.   Come on.  Sorrels knew very well that he was just wasting time.  But it completely fooled Winston Lawson! 

5.  You're absolutely right about the lack of manpower in protecting JFK.   Actually, many Federal Agencies called Forrest Sorrels from Washington DC, including the FBI, the Secret Service and the CIA, and offered to help in JFK's protection.   Forrest Sorrels turned them all down flat.  Sorrels told them that the Dallas Police were all the protection he needed for JFK in Dallas.

6.  Just a little more help in watching JFK would have made all the difference.   As you said, plenty of people in Dealey Plaza saw a man (or men) with rifles up in TSBD windows.   Photographs released two years ago (10/26/2017) reveal heavily armed Dallas Police and Deputies in many other windows in Dealey Plaza.

Yet not one in high rise TXSBD which JFK's limo approached head on then passed right under and at slowing speeds with a hair pin 90% turn? Why leave that prime snipers location high rise unattended?

On 10/18/2019 at 4:52 PM, Paul Trejo said:

In fact, Mrs. Earle Cabell herself, riding in the motorcade, testified to the WC that she herself saw rifle sticking out of a window of the TSBD!

Yet as Mr. Arnold Roland and his wife testified -- after Roland saw a man in  a high TSBD window with a rifle with a scope on it -- he told his wife, "That must be the Secret Service!"

Include Carolyn Walther with the Rolands as well a couple others and Mrs. Cabell.

No Dallas citizens would suspect the Dallas Police or Deputies of anything illegal.  Dealey Plaza was filled with Dallas Deputies, because that was where the County Jail was located.   Deputies were the first to arrive at the Grassy Knoll -- just running there.   They were all around.  But nobody would ever suspect them -- not for a half-century!

Just read this report.

As much as the coordination of information between agencies makes basic sense, obviously this coordination protocol wasn't implemented well with JFK's visit to Dallas.

8 hours ago, Paul Trejo said:

Joe,

By the numbers:

 

2.  Hosty repeatedly insisted (Assignment Oswald, 1996) that he had no role at all in the JFK visit.   It wasn't the FBI job to protect JFK -- that was the Secret Service's job.   Alan Belmont said that.  J. Edgar Hoover said that.  They'd never allow the FBI to take the blame for the JFK Assassination.  The Secret Service was to blame 100%.  This got James Hosty off the hook, personally, but only for the Warren Hearings.  After that, Hoover demoted Hosty. 

3.  Yes, yes, yes -- if Hosty really wanted to do his job as an FBI agent -- and if Hosty truly loved JFK as he claimed he did -- then his behavior on 11/22/1963 would have been far different.   Hosty's blame of the Secret Service for the JFK killing is a major signal.  In my opinion, it tells us that Hosty cared very little for JFK -- and even supported JFK's enemies in Dallas.  

All best,
--Paul

Roger Craig also told us his boss Decker told his men in no way to assist in JFK's security.

Many other Sheriff Department officers affirmed this order by Decker so we know it's true.

I am sure Decker and Hosty knew how hostile many super right wing Dallas residents were toward JFK.

As hating as hot headed Cubans.

To a murderous degree based on the public rhetoric of the most right wing of Dallas's politically extreme ilk.

Both these men (Decker and Hosty ) saw the JFK threatening "Wanted For Treason" posters and newspaper ad.

They knew that Adlai Stevenson had been physically assaulted when he visited Dallas months earlier.

Did all of the security agencies in Dallas ever meet in one venue to discuss JFK's security?

They certainly must have agreed that their hometown was extremely JFK hating in high wealthy right wing political circles and with mentally unbalanced crazies who were rabid followers of their JFK hating venom.

The least the Sheriff's department and Hosty and his men could have contributed in the motorcade security plan was to act as spotters toward all the high rise open windows along the parade route. The threat of high building shooters was clearly understood and had to have been discussed.

Scanning these with binoculars as JFK was actually underneath them seems like it should have been a basic security maneuver.

Unequipped, untrained, uninstructed idly looking around bystanders on the streets of Dealey Plaza noticed men or a man with a rifle in the TXSBD building both before and during the shooting there.

Imagine what two or three binocular equipped security men whose job it was to scan those windows would have seen?

If Hosty truly "loved" JFK...

Then the LEAST you would expect him to do when JFK and his lovely young wife were riding through his home town ( a rare event that may not have happened again ) would have been to catch at least a glimpse of his beloved President in the flesh.

I didn't "love" JFK as much as I admired him, but I couldn't purposely avoid seeing him if and when he was driving so close by in my home town and it was easy to do so

If you loved the Beatles, would you pass up a rare chance to see them up close in person if you had the advance notice ability to do so?

JFK lover Hosty's diner lunch took precedence over this opportunity?

Again, preposterous.

Same with Ruby. Another one who professed to love JFK...Jackie anyway.

He claimed he stayed in the Dallas Morning News building all morning and even until he heard JFK was shot...because he didn't like crowds?

Ruby was constantly in crowds...boxing events, State Fairs, YMCAs, roller skating rinks, his own club and he then thrust himself into the DPD building all Friday night which would have made a true agoraphobic faint from hyper ventilating anxiety it was so crowded and frenetic.

On 10/14/2019 at 8:37 PM, Ron Bulman said:

The mob didn't kill JFK.  But Ruby killed Oswald, and he was a mid level, Jewish, thus un "made' wannabe member of the mob.  Useful, in that place and time.   From Chicago.  Same as Roselli and Giancana.  He understood the code of omerta, kill him or watch your family die, before you do.

Ron, I posted the Apalachin meeting list primarily to highlight the reality of how widespread and entrenched in American society the Mafia ( American and Sicilian ) truly was and this was 1957!

As a conglomerate of organized crime, they had grown to be one of the most powerful corporations in America. And they were everywhere! 

They exercised power and control over some of the biggest unions, in the film industry, music and other entertainment, sports, construction and on and on. They could shut down entire industries, rig major elections.

Like the Cuban Mafia boss character Hyman Roth ( Lee Strassberg ) in the Godfather II film said to Michael Corleone about how powerful , they ( the Mafia ) were becoming in American life ... "we're bigger than U.S. Steel!"

I also wanted to show via the list how Carlos Marcello had overseer control over the Dallas syndicate more than has been acknowledged.

Dallas organized crime heads Joe Civello and Joe Campisi answered to him, according to the list of the Apalachin meeting attendees and their titles and positions.

We all know now how members of American organized crime worked in partnership with our agencies off and on through mutually beneficial venues. 

Johnny Roselli's long term relationship with Wild Bill Harvey was a highlight of this fact.

We know that Clint Murchison dealt with them and I believe LBJ, Nixon and even Reagan did deals with them, albeit with plausible denial.

We know the Mob fixed the Chicago and Illinois and West Virginia's vote count in 1960.

They had some hold on JFK, even in just setting him up with Judyth Exner.

But, you can easily see my point here.

That this specific organized criminal enterprise...Mob / Mafia / Cosa Nostra had grown in wealth and control to such a degree, they had major influence in the highest rungs of American power life for decades that we have never truly acknowledged in our official historical accounts and records.

Little Jack Ruby, Lee Oswald, James Earl Ray, Sirhan Sirhan, Mehmet Ali Agca and others were just expendable pawns. 

If this can interest, educate and inspire just 2 to 4% of new generations regards seeking and better understanding the truth and it's importance about JFK's assassination, it will be a huge success.

On 10/11/2019 at 7:56 AM, Joe Bauer said:

If Marcello wasn't the head Mafia boss of Texas, Louisiana and immediate surrounding area, who was?

Who else oversaw Texas which was a huge area of profit in Mafia business such as drugs, gambling, prostitution, extortion, etc? New Orleans and Louisiana as well.

I assume what we are being told is that the Chicago outfit had more control over Texas than Marcello?  We know Ruby dealt with both.

My guess is when Ruby went to New Orleans and did any questionable business there, he dealt with Marcello's men, not Giancana's or Trafficante's.

A point I have made before in postings beginning years ago is how much our country was infected with corruption and especially organized crime corruption most of this last century well beyond the understanding of the majority of Americans and even our main stream history book record.

I believe organized crime corruption was one of America's top 4 or 5 legacies during this time.

The Apalachin meeting in 1957 shouted the hugely widespread power and influence of  organized crime in America at that time.  100 heads of the branches of the Sicilian Mafia met there including those from Montreal, Cuba and Italy.

Think about this incredible reality of the reach and growth of organized crime in America in the 1950's this gathering exposed. These leaders represented a massive criminal corporation that had branches in that many cities and areas of the country.

Many large city police forces were so compromised with corruption by the Mafia,, anywhere from 10 to 30% and more of their police forces were on the take at various times as were many hundreds of Judges on every level as well as mayors, city council members, D.A.s and other elected officials.

Our largest labor union and many others had been taken over by them.

RFK knew that organized crime had become one of America's biggest problems as related in his book "The Enemy Within." He correctly stated that the power and influence of this huge cancer of corruption truly was a major threat against our democracy.

And the most devilish pact of all took place when our own intelligence departments decided to work with elements of organized crime to combat their common enemies.

In many ways, this legitimized the Mafia and allowed them to flourish even more.

Hoover for whatever reasons also fed their growth through refusing to recognize and reign them in.

Presidents have left them alone and even worked with them.

When Nixon pardoned Jimmy Hoffa, it was so obvious he was compromised.

Nixon's VP Spiro Agnew was completely owned by them.

When we discuss and debate the JFK assassination we cannot pretend that all this organized crime corruption had no connection at all to at least the cover-up and maybe the elimination of witnesses who were considered the most threatening to this....imo.

 

 

 

Here is a list of the Cosa Nostra 1957 Apalachin meeting attendees.

How accurate it is is debatable of course.

Please note however these interesting points of the list.

Dallas representative Joe Civello is listed as representing New Orleans' mob boss Carlos Marcello.Joseph "Joe" Civello - Dallas Civello Family Boss (New Orleans Family caporegime, representative of New Orleans Boss Carlos "Little Man" Marcello. Dallas, Texas)

Caporegime means "Capo."  This position is three rings down from "Boss."

The hierarchy goes like this  ... Boss - Underboss - Consiglere - Capo.
 

Also read what Sam Giancana

told another mafioso days after the meeting. That a bust like the one in Apalachin would never have happened in his district because they had the "county all locked up."

Can you imagine how many police and judges and other officials had to have been bought and controlled by the Mafia for their leader to claim control over such a massively populated area as Cook County Illinois? 

Notice also the name Russell Bufalino. The crime boss who hires Frank Sheeran the hit man depicted in the new film " The Irishman."

The Apalachin Meeting was a historic summit of the American mafia held on November 14, 1957 at the home of mobster Joseph "Joe the Barber" Barbara in Apalachin, New York.

It was attended by roughly 100 mafia crime bosses from the United States, Canada and Italy. Expensive cars with license plates from around the country aroused the curiosity of the local and state law enforcement, who raided the meeting, causing mafiosi to flee into the woods and the surrounding area of the Apalachin estate. Over 60 underworld bosses were detained and indicted due to the disastrous meeting.



Joseph "The Barber" Barbara - Northeastern Barbara Family Boss and Summit host, Apalachin, N.Y.
Rosario "Russell" Bufalino - Northeastern Family Underboss and Summit organizer (Kingston, Pennsylvania, future Northeastern Boss)
Dominick Alaimo - Northeastern Barbara Family Caporegime (Pittston, Pennsylvania)
Angelo J. Sciandra - Northeastern Barbara Family Caporegime (Pittston, Pennsylvania)
Ignatius Cannone - Northeastern Barbara Family Caporegime (Endwell, N.Y.)
Anthony "The Gov" Guarnieri - Northeastern Barbara Family Soldier (Johnston City, N.Y., future Caporegime)
James "Dave" Ostico - Northeastern Barbara Family Caporegime (Pittston, Pennsylvania, future Underboss)
Pasquale "Patsy" Turrigiano - Northeastern Barbara Family Caporegime (Endicott, N.Y.)
Emanuel "Manny" Zicari - Northeastern Barbara Family Caporegime (Endicott, N.Y., Barbara's bottling plant manager)
Salvatore "Sam" Monachino - Northeastern Barbera Family Soldier (Auburn, N.Y.)
Pasquale "Patsy" Monachino - Northeastern Barbara Family Soldier (Auburn, N.Y.)
Pasquale "Patsy" Sciortino - Northeastern Barbara Family Soldier (Auburn, N.Y.)
Bartolo "Bart" Guccia - Northeastern Barbara Family Associate (Endicott, N.Y., Barbara estate overseer and handyman)
Joseph "Joe Bananas" Bonanno - N.Y. Bonanno Family Boss (Long Island, N.Y., present Commission chairman, 1951-64)
Giovanni "John" Bonventre - N.Y. Bonanno Family Caporegime (Brooklyn, N.Y., former Underboss, semi-retired in Sicily) (Brooklyn, N.Y.)
Anthony "Tony" Riela - N.Y. Bonanno Family Caporegime (West Orange, N.J., faction leader)
Natale "Joe Diamonds" Evola - N.Y. Bonanno Family Caporegime (Brooklyn, N.Y., future Boss)
Vito "Don Vito" Genovese - N.Y. Genovese Family Boss (Atlantic Highlands, N.J.)
Gerardo "Jerry" Catena - N.Y. Genovese Family Underboss (Orange, N.J., faction leader)
Michele "Big Mike" Miranda - N.Y. Genovese Family Consigliere (Forest Hills, N.Y.)
Salvatore "Charles" Chiri - N.Y. Genovese Family Caporegime (Bergen, N.J., faction leader)
Carlo "Don Carlo" Gambino - N.Y. Gambino Family Boss (Brooklyn, N.Y.)
Joseph "Staten Island Joe" Riccobono - N.Y. Gambino Family Consigliere (Staten Island, N.Y.)
Paul "Big Paul" Castellano - N.Y. Gambino Family Caporegime (Brooklyn, N.Y., future Boss)
Carmine "The Doctor" Lombardozzi - N.Y. Gambino Family Caporegime (Brooklyn, N.Y.)
Armand "Tommy" Rava - N.Y. Gambino Family Caporegime (Brooklyn, N.Y., Anastasia loyalist, killed soon after Apalachin)
Vincent "Nunzio" Rao - N.Y. Lucchese Family Consigliere (Yonkers, N.Y.)
Giovanni "Big John" Ormento - N.Y. Lucchese Family Caporegime (Lido Beach, N.Y.)
Joseph "Joe Palisades" Rosato - N.Y. Lucchese Family Caporegime (Jackson Heights, N.Y.)
Joseph "Don Peppino" Profaci - N.Y. Profaci Family Boss (Long Island, N.Y.)
Joseph "Fat Joe/Joe Malyak" Magliocco - N.Y. Profaci Family Underboss (East Islip, N.Y., successor to Profaci)
Salvatore "Sam" Tornabe - N.Y. Profaci Family Caporegime (New York, N.Y., died December 30, 1957)
Frank Majuri - N.J. DeCavalcante Family Underboss (Elizabeth, N.J., Amari regime Underboss, stepped down May 1957, then Underboss in DeCavalcante regime)
Louis "Fat Lou" LaRasso - N.J. DeCavalcante Family Underboss (Linden, N.J., Delmore regime Underboss as of May, 1957)
John C. Montana - Buffalo Magaddino Family Underboss (Olean, N.Y., He was the #2 man in the crime family during Magaddino's regime. Montana was put on the shelf by Magaddino around 1958, Magaddino felt betrayed by Montana who wanted to step down after all the publicity from Apalachin)
Antonino "Nino" Magaddino - Buffalo Magaddino Family Caporegime (Niagara Falls, N.Y., future Consigliere)
Rosario "Roy" Carlisi - Buffalo Magaddino Family Caporegime (Buffalo, N.Y., brother of future Chicago Outfit Boss Sam "Wings" Carlisi)
James "Jimmy" LaDuca - Buffalo Magaddino Family Caporegime (Lewiston, N.Y., Magaddino son in law)
Samuel "Sam" Lagattuta - Buffalo Magaddino Family Caporegime (Buffalo, N.Y.)
Dominick D'Agostino - Buffalo Magaddino Family Caporegime (Niagara Falls, N.Y.)
Frank Valenti - Rochester Valenti Family Underboss (Rochester, N.Y., Pittsburgh Family Soldier)
Constenze "Stanley" Valenti - Rochester Valenti Family Boss (Rochester, N.Y., Pittsburgh Family Soldier)
Joseph Falcone - Buffalo or Rochester Family Capo (Utica, N.Y., faction leader)
Salvatore Falcone - Buffalo or Rochester Family Soldier (Utica, N.Y., Joseph's brother)
Rosario "Roy" Mancuso - Buffalo or Rochester Family Soldier (Utica, N.Y.)
Michael "Mike" Genovese - Pittsburgh LaRocca Family Caporegime (Gibsonia, Pennsylvania, future Boss)
Gabriel "Kelly" Mannarino - Pittsburgh LaRocca Family Caporegime (New Kensington, Pennsylvania, future Underboss)
Joseph "Joe" Ida - Philadelphia Bruno Family Boss (Highland Park, N.J., fled to Sicily in 1957 after Apalachin, leaving Antonio "Mr. Miggs" Polina as Acting Boss. Stepped down as Boss in 1959 due to publicity, retired to Sicily leaving Angelo Bruno as his successor)
Dominick Olivetto - Philadelphia Bruno Family Underboss (Camden, N.J., faction leader, stepped down 1959 for new regime)
John Scalish - Cleveland Scalish Family Boss (Cleveland, Ohio)
John DeMarco - Cleveland Scalish Family Consigliere (Shaker Heights, Ohio)
Frank "The Cheeseman" Cucchiara - New England Patriarca Family Consigliere (Boston, Massachusetts, representative of Raymond Patriarca Sr., Charlie "Lucky" Luciano and Frank "The Prime Minister" Costello at Summit)
Frank Zito - Springfield, Illinois Zito Family Boss (Chicago Outfit Caporegime)
Louis Santo Trafficante Jr. - Tampa Trafficante Family Boss (moved to Havana in 1946, Cuban operations overseer for the families, including casino and narcotics operations. Most powerful boss in Cuba)

Joseph "Joe" Civello - Dallas Civello Family Boss (New Orleans Family caporegime, representative of New Orleans Boss Carlos "Little Man" Marcello. Dallas, Texas)

John Francis Colletti - Dallas Civello Family member (Dallas, Texas)
James "Black Jim" Colletti - Colorado Colletti Family Boss (Pueblo, Colorado)
Frank DeSimone - Los Angeles Dragna Family Boss (Los Angeles, California, also lawyer and house council for Family members)
Simone Scozzari Los Angeles Dragna Family Underboss (San Gabriel, California, came under law enforcement scrutiny after Apalachin. Deported to Italy in 1963)

Mafiosi suspected of attending Apalachin Summit 14 November 1957
Carmine "Lilo" Galante - Bonanno Family Underboss
Carmine Galante was one of the most important attendees at the Palermo, Sicily, Hotel des Palmes Summit the past October 14-October 17 and would be important to the Apalachin Summit being that he was the U.S. La Cosa Nostra's Montreal "representation" for all narcotics operations being directed through the port city. Identified as a guest staying at the estate by Joe Barbara's housekeeper. Galante had also been stopped and arrested by Pennsylvania police on October 17, 1956, allegedly coming from a meeting at Barbara's estate.
Frank "Frank Carrol" Garofalo - Former Bonanno Family Underboss
Frank Garofalo was semi-retired in Sicily as of 1956 and came back specifically for the Apalachin Summit, having been one of the attendees at the Palermo, Sicily-Hotel des Palmes Summit the past October 14-October 17 and would most certainly brief the Bosses on the outcome of the Palermo Summit. Garofalo was registered at a local motel.
Gaspar "Gasparino" DiGregorio - Bonanno Family Caporegime
Brother-in-law of Buffalo Family Boss Stefano Magaddino, registered at local motel.
Joseph "Joe Bandy" Biondo - Gambino Family Underboss
Former Albert Anastasia Consigliere, conspired to kill Anastasia with Carlo Gambino and Joseph Riccobono. Expected to explain the reasons for the Anastasia hit and the current situation between the new Anastasia/Gambino Family hierarchy and the faction still loyal to Anastasia.
Gaetano "Tommy Brown" Lucchese and Stefano "Steve" LaSalle- Lucchese Family Boss and Underboss
1st and 2nd in command, Lucchese and his allies supported Carlo Gambino and his assassination of Albert Anastasia and ascension to Boss of the Family.
Aniello "Niel" Migliore - Lucchese's top aide and was in a car accident driving through Binghamton the next day, November 15. He was most likely on his way to pick up Lucchese and LaSalle.
Stefano "The Undertaker" Magaddino - Buffalo Magaddino Family Boss
Commission member who helped Vito Genovese arrange the Summit at Barbara's house, his clothes contained his name in them when they were found in a car in Joseph Barbara's barn.
Salvatore "Momo" Giancana and Frank "Strongy" Ferraro - Chicago Outfit Boss and Underboss
1st and 2nd in command, Sam Giancana was a Commission member and had just recently been promoted to Boss of the Outfit by former Boss and new Consigliere, Anthony "Joe Batters" Accardo. Giancana would take this opportunity to meet with all the other Family Bosses and introduce his new Underboss, Ferraro. Giancana was overheard just days after the Summit on an FBI wire talking to Stefano "The Undertaker" Magaddino about "our guys being caught" and "that it wouldn't have happened in Chicago, we have a whole county locked up tight". Magaddino cowardly replied "you bet it wouldn't have Sam".
Joseph "Joe Z." Zerilli and Anthony "Tony Jack" Giacalone - Detroit Partnership Boss and Lt./Capo.
Joe Zerilli was not yet at the Barbara estate, he was late. he most likely noticed the roadblock on the way to the meeting or was still at the motel and heard what happened on the radio. He used his driver�s license to rent a car in the Binghamton area and used it to get home on November 14, 1957.
Nicholas "Nick" Civella and Joseph Filardo - Kansas City Civella Family Boss and Capo
They were identified by a local business owner as the two men who used his phone to call a taxi.
James "Jimmy the Hat" Lanza- San Francisco Abati/Lanza Underboss
2nd in command to Boss Michael Abati who at the time was fighting a deportation order, Lanza was registered at a local motel with San Jose Family Underboss, Joseph Cerrito. Mike Abati was deported on July 8, 1961. Lanza becomes his successor and the Family's most famous Boss.
John Sebastian "John LaRock" LaRocca - Pittsburgh LaRocca Family Boss
Registered at the local Arlington Motel with his 2 Capos, Michael Genovese and Gabriel "Kelly" Mannarino, their bills charged to Barbara's Canada Dry Bottling Company.
Joseph "Joe" Cerrito- San Jose Cerrito Family Underboss
2nd in command to Boss Onofrio Sciortino who was ill, Cerrito was registered at a local motel with San Francisco Boss, James Lanza. Joe Cerrito becomes Boss of the Family after Sciortino's death in 1959.
Frank "Frankie Bal" Balistrieri - Milwaukee Balistrieri Underboss
2nd in command, registered at a local motel. Family Boss, John Aloito was grooming his son in law Frank Balistrieri as his successor, Balistrieri uses the Apalachin Summit to introduce himself to all the Bosses from across the United States. In 1961 Aloito retires so Balistrieri can assume the top position. Frank "Frankie Bal" Balistrieri becomes Milwaukee's most famous underworld Boss.
Joseph Zammuto - Rockford, Illinois Musso/Zammuto Family Underboss
2nd in command to Boss Antonio Musso who was ill, Zammuto was registered at a local motel. Tony Musso dies 1958 and Joe Zammuto becomes Boss of the Family. It is now called the Zammuto Family. The Rockford Family has always been a Chicago Outfit faction.
Charles "Curly" Montana - Cleveland Scalish Family Caporegime
Curly Montana is registered at a local motel with Boss John Scalish.
Joseph "Joe" Campisi - Dallas Civello Family Underboss
2nd in command, Joe Campisi is registered at a local motel with Boss Joe Civello, who was detained at Barbara's estate. Joe Campisi became the Family Boss after Joe Civello retires to Florida in 1968. Civello dies in 1970.
Vincenzo "Vince" Colletti - Denver Colletti Family Underboss
2nd in command, Vincenzo is James "Black Jim" Colletti's brother. Vincenzo is registered with James at a local motel, he escapes the police at Barbara's estate, but his brother James is picked up walking down a road near the estate.
Alfred "Al" Angelicola - New Jersey area La Cosa Nostra member
Al Angelicola is registered at a local motel with other known mafiosi, his Family affiliation is unknown.
Luigi "Louis" Greco and Giuseppe "Pep" Cotroni - Montreal Cotroni Family Underboss and Caporegime
Louis Greco was a Montreal Sicilian who was 2nd in command to Calabrian Boss Vic "The Egg" Cotroni. In 1953 Greco and his top aide Frank Petrula go to Sicily to arrange heroin shipments with Charlie "Lucky" Luciano. Giuseppe "Pep" Cotroni was the brother of Boss Vic Cotroni and the Lt. in charge of narcotics operations for the Family. The Montreal Family was considered the Bonanno Family Canadian Faction. Joe Bonanno had just returned from the U.S.-Sicilian La Cosa Nostra Summit in Palermo, Sicily at the Hotel des Palmes on October 14-October 17, 1957. One of the topics to be discussed at Apalachin was about the Sicilians taking control of the importation of narcotics while the U.S. La Cosa Nostra would handle wholesale distribution . Montreal is the North American transit way for narcotics shipments into the U.S., that's why Montreal had representatives at the Apalachin Summit.
Giuseppe "Don Giuseppe" Settacase - Agrigento, Sicily Capo-familglia and future Capo-provincia (provincial Boss) in Sicilian Cupola (Commission).
Don Giuseppe Settacase was sent over as a representative of the Sicilian La Cosa Nostra Clans wishing to export narcotics to the United States. He was present at the Palermo, Sicily Summit on 14 October-17, 1957 and was highly respected as a mediator. Don Giuseppe Settacase mentor to the most powerful and wealthy Sicilian Clans in the Agrigento province and Sicilian La Cosa Nostra, the Siculiana-Caruana-[BadWord] Family and the Cattolica Eraclea-Rizzuto Family, who would become superpowers in the global narcotics and money laundering trade and rule mafia empires. After the Apalachin Summit, both the Canadian and Sicilian La Cosa Nostra were heard talking on R.C.M.P. and FBI wiretaps about how embarrassed the American La Cosa Nostra looked to their peers for the screw up at Apalachin

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1 hour ago, Karl Hilliard said:

A completely different Dallas everybody---Black mayor-- Black female Chief of Police--Black female sheriff--Black DA --Black female judge--etc. If we had been told in 1963 that this would occur..no one would have ever believed it. Joshua Brown's apartment had been [subsequently] searched and some 12 lbs of Weed was found. Also he had been previously shot for yet another drug deal gone bad.

 

Karl, I agree.

Very few big cities in America are as fairly represented regards blacks being heads of so many majorly important departments as Houston is.

Any person in America doing business with drug dealers is at serious risk of being shot.

And the fact that Joshua Brown had been previously shot in another bad drug deal really leans the suspicion angle towards his death being a bad drug deal killing versus something more retaliatory regards his Amber Guyger court case testimony... imo.

55 minutes ago, James DiEugenio said:

After almost thirty years of ludicrous labor and toil, I will be making a few shekels out of this.

Not a lot, just a few.

Should be a lot.

Wow, can't wait to see.

I hope you personally are being compensated in some way for this is based significantly on your book ... correct?

I sure hope so anyway.

Rich has been sacked?

Seriously?

Who were Dallas mob chieftains Joe Civello and Joe Camipisi most beholden to in any organized crime business of high importance on their turf?

Did they do things on their own or did they have a higher source of outside permission and oversight?

Was it Chicago, New York, Florida, LA?  Marcello himself?

When hot headed, hot reputation stripper Jada threatened Jack Ruby with meat hook hanging or castration in their seemingly continuous horrible relationship, didn't Ruby contact people he knew in the Chicago outfit to ask for some help with dealing with her and a few other of his girls in their demands for better pay and work conditions? I believe he did.

On 10/7/2019 at 7:56 PM, John Kozlowski said:

Do you have any credible evidence to back up the claims you make everyday? All your theories are pushed by Roger Stone, John Davis, Barr McClellan etc. People who’s work has been discredited years ago or questionable at best.      

  

The LBJ angle has more promoters than just those three.

Throw in E.Howard Hunt, Billie Sol Estes and many others and perhaps Richard Nixon himself.

I am sure you have seen that video on You Tube of sweaty, creepy smiling Nixon cryptically inferring about LBJ..."You know that LBJ...he never liked to be number 2."

Rich Pope. 

You state that your father listened in on some telephone calls to and from LBJ's ranch and involving LBJ himself.

You then go on to infer that your father became much more withdrawn and seemingly disturbed by what he had heard on these calls.

If your father had ever just once shared with you what he heard in those calls to so disturb him, then this whole part of your story would gain some credibility weight imo.

I can understand a father not wanting to put his son in danger by revealing truths that could be life threatening in their importance, but you never once overheard him sharing even small bits of what he knew about LBJ to anybody?

Did he never once say one thing about LBJ that suggested he thought LBJ was a bad, immoral, ruthless or dangerous man?

How frustrating not to have one thing your father actually said about LBJ that would indicate something truly nefarious about him.

If your father actually secretly listened into LBJ's telephone conversations that LBJ thought were private and more than a half dozen times, one can imagine he heard some really revealing and important stuff.

Personally I feel LBJ was a seriously ruthless, cunning and corrupted power seeking man to a maniacally obsessive degree. Including ordering murders if need be.

A sadistically crude man too.

Yes, LBJ pushed through the "Great Society"  program.

Even crooks do good things.

Capone, El Chapo and other murderous criminals have helped the poor.

11 minutes ago, Larry Hancock said:

I would also add that circa 67 and 68 other groups - generally known as the Dixie Mafia - were competing with Marcello and had enough nerve and clout to muscle in on several of his ventures and even rob a few of them.  Marcello's reputation has been considerably enhanced by a number of authors who have written about him. -

 

But in 1963 it sounds as if nobody messed with Carlos Marcello and his many brothers rule in Louisiana and N.O..

Jim, a question I have is which Mafia group had the final say about operations in Texas?

Was it out of towners or were Dallas residents Joe Civello and Joe Campisi in charge of their own turf in Texas?

Both Civello and Campisi attended the Apalachin meeting in 1957.

If you check the attendee list of that meeting, every one invited had a fairly high level of importance in their own location.

Organized crime in America since the early 1900's has done nothing but damage our society and democratic institutions to significant degrees that we never truly have acknowledged.

It has effected us all. And imo has been a part of the JFK coverup.

If Marcello wasn't the head Mafia boss of Texas, Louisiana and immediate surrounding area, who was?

Who else oversaw Texas which was a huge area of profit in Mafia business such as drugs, gambling, prostitution, extortion, etc? New Orleans and Louisiana as well.

I assume what we are being told is that the Chicago outfit had more control over Texas than Marcello?  We know Ruby dealt with both.

My guess is when Ruby went to New Orleans and did any questionable business there, he dealt with Marcello's men, not Giancana's or Trafficante's.

A point I have made before in postings beginning years ago is how much our country was infected with corruption and especially organized crime corruption most of this last century well beyond the understanding of the majority of Americans and even our main stream history book record.

I believe organized crime corruption was one of America's top 4 or 5 legacies during this time.

The Apalachin meeting in 1957 shouted the hugely widespread power and influence of  organized crime in America at that time.  100 heads of the branches of the Sicilian Mafia met there including those from Montreal, Cuba and Italy.

Think about this incredible reality of the reach and growth of organized crime in America in the 1950's this gathering exposed. These leaders represented a massive criminal corporation that had branches in that many cities and areas of the country.

Many large city police forces were so compromised with corruption by the Mafia,, anywhere from 10 to 30% and more of their police forces were on the take at various times as were many hundreds of Judges on every level as well as mayors, city council members, D.A.s and other elected officials.

Our largest labor union and many others had been taken over by them.

RFK knew that organized crime had become one of America's biggest problems as related in his book "The Enemy Within." He correctly stated that the power and influence of this huge cancer of corruption truly was a major threat against our democracy.

And the most devilish pact of all took place when our own intelligence departments decided to work with elements of organized crime to combat their common enemies.

In many ways, this legitimized the Mafia and allowed them to flourish even more.

Hoover for whatever reasons also fed their growth through refusing to recognize and reign them in.

Presidents have left them alone and even worked with them.

When Nixon pardoned Jimmy Hoffa, it was so obvious he was compromised.

Nixon's VP Spiro Agnew was completely owned by them.

When we discuss and debate the JFK assassination we cannot pretend that all this organized crime corruption had no connection at all to at least the cover-up and maybe the elimination of witnesses who were considered the most threatening to this....imo.

I'm a little curious here.

If Marcello wasn't as big as so many others in the national network of mob bosses, why would RFK go farther in dealing with him punitively than almost any other boss; actually kicking him physically out of the country and dropping him off in the dregs of Guatemala?

If Marcello was no big deal in the Mafia hierarchy, why bother?

Micah, I just listened to this part of McClelland's interview.

I had come across this interview years ago.

The part where John Connally supposedly said to his wife at this cocktail party - that she was just talking to Carlos Marcello, the man who nearly had me killed ( on 11,22,1963 ) - is of course JFK truth shaking revealing in it's implication.

However, like so many other incredibly shocking 3rd or even 2nd hand accounts of main character revelations, we can never prove they are true, so ... all we can do is ponder them in our wondering thought minds. It's a frustrating thing.

Did Jack Ruby actually pass a note to Dallas Sheriff Al Maddox stating "that the JFK assassination was a conspiracy and his (Ruby's) motive was to silence Oswald." ?

14 hours ago, Larry Hancock said:

It might be good for anyone interested to read Walt Brown's new book on Judyth....

https://www.amazon.com/Judyth-Vary-Baker-Edited-Commentary-ebook/dp/B07RH9FXBG

 

 

 

I just accessed the Walt Brown link.

I admit, so many of JVB's claims sound ridiculous, even crazy.

Not giving her entire story "any" credibility seems the logical and rational thing to do.

It's just those damn little parts of it such as the Reilly work coincidence and the Oschner and Mary Sherman Castro cancer plan ( and Sherman's diabolical murder ) and some others that keep you pulling it out of the trash now and then and rereading those parts that don't sound crazy.

So many of the other stories about the eccentric characters in New Orleans at the time such as David Ferrie, Guy Bannister, Clay Shaw, Dean Andrews also present crazy contradictions though as well. So JVB's fits right in. 

New Orleans back then sounded surreal in it's mix of super odd character craziness including steamy sex perversion intrigue, widespread corruption and extreme hot-headed political fanaticism.

Oliver Stone captured this sweaty surreal extreme N.O. craziness well in his film JFK imo.

I wonder how much the JFK assassination part of The Irishman's script will be taken seriously or commented on by the film critics and JFK researcher community?

Damn, I wish before I die that someone would make a major A list film about the iconic Dorothy Kilgallen with at least some mention of her connection to the JFK event.

Her remarkably achieving high society and national fame life as well as her totally suspicious and intriguingly tragic end of life death/murder is of much more interesting significance and importance than was Jimmy Hoffa's imo.

And a Kilgallen film would be 10 times more attractive and interesting to America's women of all ages because her life truly was so famously and courageously achieving and at a time when men still ruled the roost,  even without the JFK intrigue part of her life at the end.

Cast our most revered and highest star power actor Meryl Streep as Kilgallen ( even a younger one with the same techniques they are using in this Scorsese film ) and you'd have a block buster film that would appeal to both sexes besides this strictly macho male tough guy centered one "The Irishman."

Streep even has a not too different face and chin than Kilgallen.

And Streep's over-all attractiveness would make her Kilgallen character even easier to watch and relate to, as Costner's portrayal of Jim Garrison did in JFK.

• IMO there's just enough stuff that Baker relates in her writings and interviews regards her New Orleans time and Oswald story that I find it hard to dismiss her completely.

Her teen year academic story checks out.

Her being sent to New Orleans and actually having at least some contact with Oschner's clinic and Mary Sherman checks out.

Oshner did turn out to be as personally mean and radically extreme politically as she describes ( no exaggeration needed there on Baker's part ) and Mary Sherman's work was secretly covert and her murder about as diabolically brutal as one can imagine and suggestive of something much more sinister than a random killing.

JVB knew of Anna Lewis and her husband although the Lewis's were so opposite of her and Oswald in intellectual demeanor and pursuits their socializing seems ludicrous.

Baker knew of and described Oswald's flip flops ( did she know of these by reading the most obscure mention of them in one place only - the Warren Report?) which suggest something closer than no friendship at all.

She lived on the same bus line as Oswald who we know took the bus often as she did.

She and Oswald did start work at Reilly's on the same day and left their jobs there just a few days apart.

Oswald was no prude when it came to the ladies and his attraction to them obvious in his earliest Russia diaries and obviously in his Japan and maybe Philippines military R&R activities.

Didn't Oswald need antibiotics for a VD episode over there?

My point being, that Oswald's female attraction inclination history along with being a virile 24 year old in New Orleans for months alone or maybe even during a reportedly less than great sexual relationship with Marina when she was there, makes the proposition of a brief affair on his part not strongly unlikely. And Baker wasn't unattractive both physically and intellectually.

Now if Anna Lewis claimed an affair with Oswald it would be easy to write off that scenario with a spontaneous cringing laugh.

Oswald liked the cute ones. Marina was a looker and again, Baker was quite hot herself.

Judyth's sister Debbie has always stood by some of Judyth's claims about some intriguing involvement in New Orleans that she shared with her starting much earlier than Judyth's almost 40 years later ones. And this sister Debbie has never been exposed as some money or fame seeking whacko as far as I have ever read.

There's more, but even so the crazy thing about the JVB story however is how often she has been caught exaggerating or making up impossible scenarios and her personal belief theories juxtaposed with the true facts of her real activity and possible Oswald association life in New Orleans that are hard ( again in my opinion ) to dismiss as "all coincidental or totally made up."

23 hours ago, Cory Santos said:

In the arrest photo the box office frame appears white.  In the odd photo with Postal, who looks unusually large, the frame is brown.  Then in the Groden picture, sans Postal, it is brown with numbers on it.

Correct Cory. 

Notice also an area of chipped off paint at the base of the booth versus the clean painted one in what appears to be a photo of a retouched up booth taken later than 11,22,1963?

And in the newer date pic there isn't a lighter colored frame (perhaps metal?) around the top of the booth either?

The pic of a restrained and pain faced Oswald being led out of the theater and physically aggressive hustled into the police car is an iconic one to me.

Curiously surprising how the Dallas PD would allow so many bystanders to crowd in so close to this dramatic capture endeavor. 

You would think the arrest force would have created at least a 20 to 30 foot open space cordon in front of the theater just to allow them to do their job without being so crowded it looked like a circus.

And when we in our town ( admittedly small but bigger than Mayberry and always busy on a Friday ) heard about the JFK shooting, our downtown became a ghost town right away. Everybody went home to watch TV.

I know because as soon as our school shut down and ordered us to go home, I had to walk through our downtown to do so. I didn't see anyone on the streets and very few cars. Everything was eerily quiet. Again, everybody went home to watch TV.

I know Dallas and Oak Cliff had a large population in November, 2011 but still, seeing such a large and mixed age crowd instantly gathered in front of the Texas theater as the famous photo shows seems weird to me.

Were the theater patrons inside the theater unaware of the news that the President of the United States was shot just a few miles from them at 12:30 pm?

I think the theater management in our town would have stopped the movie and came out and told us movie watchers what had happened and not continued the showing.

I couldn't have stayed watching "War Is Hell" and eating popcorn knowing this unbelievably shocking event just occurred so close by.

Strange stuff, strange times.

On 10/3/2019 at 3:46 PM, Paul Trejo said:

Thanks, Joe.   I like your line of thought here.   I'm seeking data that links Hosty and Sorrels, here.   

I didn't see your earlier post, however, about, Hosty saying, "We had three of them -- Ford, Russell, and..."  What was the question Hosty was answering?   

Paul, Hosty wasn't answering a question. His comment about "We had 3 of them..."

just came up in his summarizing a part of the story involving the Warren Commission and his reflections on their work and his agency's involvement with them.

Don't you find Hosty's having lunch in a downtown cafe during JFK's motorcade ride through Dallas preposterous...as I do?

Wasn't part of Hosty's duty to track potential threats ( from that list he had mentioned ) to the President?

Wouldn't you think that someone in this position of Hosty's would be on highest security alert at the most vulnerable time for JFK, which was during his open top limo drive through Hosty's JFK hating town?

Didn't Hosty even care to see his President and Jackie in the flesh like everyone else in Dallas that day, and maybe even to some degree because JFK was our first Catholic president as Hosty was Catholic ?

Makes about as much sense as Jack Ruby hiding in the Dallas Morning News building the entire time of JFK's ( and his crush Jackie Kennedy ) motorcade ride through his city.

 

 

On 9/28/2019 at 9:13 AM, Lawrence Schnapf said:

I genuinely believe that the passions of the time and LBJ's need to show strength  would have led to a world war if the lone gunman theory was not reached. There would have been enormous pressure to punish castro or USSR (even though it was likely rightwing conspiracy). So maybe he really did save the lives of us on this thread. I'd give them all a mulligan if they just came out now and admitted that they lied because they thought that was what was best for the country.

I have a question or two if the highest leaders in our military and political realms truly believed or knew that the Russians and or Castro were behind the assassination.

Even if this speculative scenario were true - that LBJ and others felt compelled to push the lone nut scenario to save millions of lives via a possible hand forcing nuclear war with the true JFK killing perpetrators - do you not think we would have done at least "something" retaliatory to these countries and their leaders in other retribution ways for their ordering and/or facilitating the brutal murder of our President right here in our own country?

Did we initiate some secret extra aggressive economic or diplomatic punishment upon their regimes after JFK's murder?

Did we do anything punitively different in our relationship with them after JFK?

My guess is ... we didn't.

And that if one or both of these regimes had anything to do with JFK's slaughter, this non-punitive retaliatory response in any way towards them on our part afterwards seems so ridiculously improbable and illogical to the point of negating the whole premise.

In fact, we made things even less stressful on Castro by stopping assassination plots against him...did we not?